Conspiracy Talk Archive April 10 2012

 

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10 Apr 2012 21:53:28
i know weve all heard about the illuminati, its been going since 1776 and they want to create a new world order, there's more scientolgy buildings than them plus other fake religions, plus they are films with a pyramid with a eye in some films, so what, oooh ive just seen a film with a pyramid and a eye in it, lets follow them, DON'T THINK SO.

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Have they got your family captive?

JWalk

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No. (from original poster)

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10 Apr 2012 18:15:37
has anyone had the phonecall from someone saying that they work for windows and that your computer has a virus and you need to follow there instructions to rectify this?
quite commical the way they carry on but they get terribly serious if you question them after a bit i just start repeating everything they say till they get fed up and just hang up . anyone else get these calls ?
andy69

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No maybe you do actually have a virus mate {Ed001's Note - Windows don't call you up to tell you that you have a virus!}

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No virus mate its just a scam to try an get you to open a link for them to hack your computer or they just want to try and sell you a worthless warranty the calls are from the india quite commical check out you tube windows scams
andy69

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Had the call,saying your pc is in danger. tryed to track the number, yes Nirobi.

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I had a phone call off them last week telling me that there is a virus in my area and could i go to my laptop,i told her i couldnt because i was moving 3 ton of gravel,she said its inportant i said i cant i am busy, she kept on with her sales lingo about protection even after telling her that i have protection for my laptop for any virus or hardware repair she kept going on and on untill she left with a huff in her voice,its just a scam to get novice internet users panicking.
frankyscouse

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We were getting this call every few weeks here in Australia (Sydney) a Indian sounding guy was calling saying they were detecting a problem with my computer, they want to remotely control your computer to rid you of the problem...and your bank account details amongst other things if im not mistaken. During the last call to me I let them waffle on about my computer issues then I asked them what system I was using, when the replied Windows, my response was..."Sorry my computer is a Mac..Silence from their end then the phone went down...That was over Three months ago now. Whatever you do dont give them back door access to your computer!.

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This may answer your question Andy69. Shown on Australian TV a while ago.

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There are nuisance call blocker devices about such as truecall - truecall.co.uk

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Thanks all for feed back i am currently injured for the next six months due to a motorbike accident so i do enjoy wasting the time of these people andy69

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Got one of them calls , indian man said his name was nigel and works for microsoft , I told him , that his name was not nigel , and to f$ck off , they never called back .
redforever

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10 Apr 2012 16:46:19
Going back to the pineal gland discussion, seeing as I hadn't heard about it before I thought I'd start talking about it to my father to test his knowledge without saying too much.
My father used to be in the medical profession and one thing that came out was that after a very serious head injury one of the first or main things that would be done would be that the patients head would be scanned from the side to make sure the pineal gland was intact and in the correct place even though it is very small.
Don't know if it's been mentioned but thought i'd share it with you.

Supasub {Ed001's Note - did he say why?}


Apologies for going back to the Pineal gland, reference my post above/further down.
Caught up with my father again yesterday and quickly mentioned the Pineal gland again and why it's part of a scan after a serious head injury.
Apparently surgeons / consultants know the precise place the Pineal gland should be located and it's shape. Any displacement or change of shape of the gland from a head injury is a definate or clear indication of brain damage, I know that sounds simple but the fact is that they tend to use the gland position as a point of reference/starting place if you like on the neuro scan.
As to it's function my father confirmed what we all know (or don't), is that no one really knows it's entire function apart from the odd theories one of which is that it is partly connected to your central nervous system as it's located near the top of the spinal-cord. But again this theory (if true) apparently does'nt explain it's entire function.
IMO I would of thought because the gland is so small, it has potentially shrunk over generations/ centuries maybe due to lack of use or blockage/calcification.
Very interesting subject though.
Not a great help I know, but hopefully it cleared up the scan question.

Supasub {Ed001's Note - cheers for the update. Just shows how little science still knows about the human body, let alone the rest of the world around us.}

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I'm wondering if what the Hindus call their Chakras is anything remotely to do with the pineal gland?
NoneTheWiser.

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I uploaded some pictures regarding this how many different religions seem to worship the pine cone! Along with the Catholics. I definately believe there is more to this gland than what we are told to believe! Like i said only time will tell regarding this but the fact that its blocked with a man made substance definately is not a good thing!

RR!

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10 Apr 2012 13:15:09
ed, how come my Lloyd Pye post didn't come through, there were no links attached to it or any bad language/offence about it so im not sure why it didn't come through, could you check if it is still there please? thanks

JK92 {Ed001's Note - is it the same one you replied to? Or is there another one I need to look for?}

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Lol, yeah it is ed, sorry about that. cheers for the reply though

JK92 {Ed001's Note - that's ok, I just wanted to check before I dismissed it as irrelevant. It is very easy to miss a single post, I can never find them.}

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I didn't think you missed it, i was just making sure my PC wasn't messing up again cos been having problems with the DNS just lately, it's been disconnecting me and not loading the webpages. virgin broadband is a hassle for how much you pay.

JK92 {Ed001's Note - I got rid of Virgin, they were awful when I was with them. The speed was appalling and it was constantly dropping, their customer service was even worse than appalling as well.}

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10 Apr 2012 11:44:55
does anyone believe in Lloyd Pyes theory (and basically zecharia sitchin theory, which both come from sumerian tablets and writings.) that we was created by aliens to be their slaves so they can gather gold for their atmosphere, he does also bring up some interesting points too, like why is our chromosome 2 fused when chimps and gorilla' are not? and why do we look so much different from the hominoids?
he also says that earth was created when a larger planet (which was to become earth) collided with planet x (nibiru) and that resulted in the earth being created and so too was the asteroid belt.
(correct me if im wrong with these ed cos im fairly new to this).
so yeah, does anyone believe this theory could be a genuine possibility? it does have some pretty interesting evidence in his favour to help support his and zecharia sitchin Sumerian/annunaki theory.

JK92

{Ed033's Note - I wouldn't expect anyone to be 100% accurate on these subjects. Some parts are probably more accurate than others. The evidence appears to be that we have been genetically tinkered with just like the domesticated animals have been genetically altered from the wild version of those animals. Also the crops we have grown for the last x-thousand of years have also been genetically altered from the wild versions.

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I believe there is some element of truth in the theories. Too many cultures across the world have stories concerning "sky people" for there not to be some connection. The history we are taught today is basically a Victorian construct with its inherent morality. Though we accept the middle east as the cradle of civilization, their ideas about where we came from seem to be dismissed out of hand. Of course we believe we are at the most advanced stage of our civilization while forgetting we are at our most distant "spiritually" ffrom the greater cosmos. Our ancestors had greater knowledge and interaction with the sky above us than we will ever as a people.

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I agree ed, but i think it would be ignorant for everyone to just dismiss it, but like many ancient civilizations how did they know so much about the solar system? and why don't main stream scientists ever talk about the sumerians? it's like they don't want people to know they exists.

also with the genetics of us, people argue that we share like 95% of our dna with chimps so we must be a close relative of them but what people should also know is that we share like 50% of our dna with a mouse.
also ed, if we were genetically tinkered with which hominoid do you think they chose to "mix" us with?.

also ed, why don't religion and science want bigfoot/yeti to be discovered? (if they are there)

JK92

{Ed033's Note - Maybe they used the alma type hominoids. I don't know. ancient civilizations know so much about the solar system because some group come along and taught them probably. Main stream scientists either talk a load of rubbish on these subjects or don't talk about these subjects because they'd either lose funding or lose their credibility if they uttered a bit of truth on these subjects. These bigfoot/alma creatures are way more intelligent than chimpanzees so there would have to be some kind of change if they were recognised as real and religions tend not to like change.

Lloyd Pye - Types of Hominoids

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10 Apr 2012 11:28:16
I saw on the news the other day that someone it going on trial in the US for being the so called...... and I will quote from SKY NEWS "Mastermind behind 911". Erm..... am I missing something here ? Didnt they pretend to kill the mastermind behind 911 allready ? Didnt they capture the worlds most dispicable man, execute him and then out of relegious respect give him a traditional sea burrial ? - This fairy story still makes me laugh, will americans swallow anything? If Fox news said Obama had wrestled Bin laden with his bare hands they would have lapped it up !

Matt_RFC

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Spot-on Matt , the murdoch media are unbelievable
( literally ) and the fact that the general public go along with it is deppressing . The BBC are much
worst than people might think , especially when it
comes to 911, they're just more subtle about it.

JR

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It depends the theory I believe is that the Twin towers were chosen as a landmark to destroy because they were in effect going to be destroyed anyway because they were filled with Asbestos insulation.
Therefore the owners had a decision to make either pay to have them rid of this which would have cost many many millions and too much time moving around or they let the US government use them as a symbol as to why they should start another unpopular war in the middle east (Before people say oh but they would never harm US people to get backing for a war).You are wrong recent documents released due to the freedom of info act show that during the Cuban Missile crisis one option to gain backing for a full on invasion of Cuba and angering the communists was to pretend they had launched a missile attack on their eastern coast by blowing up national monuments of great importance therefore giving them the right to attack Cuba.
It was almost a win - win situation lets face it no one at the time had forgotten about the weapons of mass destruction fiasco and blatant lie had they so it needed to be basically big and unquestionable for the time being.

Another question and this is the most interesting one apart from the freefall timescale of the buildings.
Without prior knowledge of the attack which they claim how come in the direct aftermath did the US government in a time of national panic have the ability to send a plane with Bin Ladens family aboard to get them out of America.

You may say but he is an enemy of America and has been since he tried to blow up one of their battleships earlier on well this is where I believe he was aware he would be made a patsy a fall guy by the Americans and in turn they would I dont know maybe pay him lots.
I think Osama and America made a deal its not like they havent before and I also believe he is still alive to this very day beard shaven smoking cigars in a country of choice with millions maybe billions.All he had to do was send out a video using his group as cover stating he was the man behind it all and jobs done they have a reason to go invade any country associated with himself.
The SAS stated in interview that directly afterwards they had confirmation of Bin Laden and were tailing him in a jeep but were told to back off by American special forces does this sound like the actions of a country trying desperately to get their man or does it sound like they wanted him to escape as being captured by another country means he may spill the beans on their whole sordid operation.

Sorry for the long story hope it helps a little.

Red tinted glasses

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I think all of you are right apart from bin larden being alive,i think he died many years ago from a illness(liver disease) and he would have been assainated even if he was on cia payroll,to dangerous to fall in the wrong hands.
frankyscouse

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Don't forget that Bin Laden consistently denied any knowledge of the attack. He did praise whoever orchastrated the attack on 911 but never took credit for it. Khalid Sheikh Mohammad has been referred to as the "mastermind behind 911" before and after his capture by the US, without any news media questioning the title. As for Bin Laden being alive, I don't think he is. His death will be used to make sure the person they want to remain in power does so, Obama.

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If Bin Laden did it, and they captured him they wouldnt want him dead, they would want to know so much info about funding, structures ascossiates the list goes on and on. Thats why when the news broke I litterally chuckled to myself, I saw the morons waving flags outside the whitehouse and singing star spangled banner and I thought to myself they deserve every pathetic lie that their government has been spoon feeding them for hundreds of years. Half of them dont even know that 3 buildings came tumbling down on 911, hence that documentary called "Building what?" in referance to wtc 7.

Matt_RFC

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In line with what Red Tinted Glasses said, I think in 2000 there was a think tank including Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld which concluded that the public would not lean towards war again unless there was catastrophic event such as Pearl Harbour.
A year later we had 9/11.
I didn't know until recently that geological surveys recorded the greatest amount of seismic activity in New York immediately before the towers collapsed.
This then ties in with the building collapsing inwards like a controlled explosions as opposed to falling sideways which is what you would expect.
NoneTheWiser {Ed001's Note - there is also a plan dating back to the 1950s, during the McCarthy era, suggesting flying a plane into a building and blaming it on the Commies to get more control over the populace.}

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Another issue that does not get mentioned enough is that building seven of the world trade center buildings was also destroyed during this alleged terrorist attack. The official word of the day was "fire from the two towers damaged the structural integrity, therefore the building collapsed". Yet when you watch the video of this building collapsing & compare it to the myriad of buildings destroyed in Las Vegas, you can only come to the conclusion that it was destroyed by a controlled detention.

And here is where it gets really odd: 2 months prior to the "attack" the new lease holder took out an insurance policy that had a special clause "in case of terrorists attack". Larry Silverstein, got 1 billion US for WTC 7 being destroyed. He then went to court & argued that since two planes crashed into the towers it constituted two terrorist attacks, he was awarded 7 billion US. New York Citys' Office of Emergency Management or OEM also had office in WTC 7. They occupied a recently reinforced bunker-like space on the 23rd floor. Equipped with bulletproof windows, bomb-proof walls, and hurricane resistant windows, the office housed a sophisticated command center with top of the line military communication and logistical equipment.
Not to mention the Federal Emergency Management Agency or FEMA showed up on 9/10 & just happened to set up shop near the WTC for an "extensive simulated terrorist attack" scheduled for 9/12.

Here is a link to WTC 7:
http://www.911hardfacts.com/report_07.htm

An inside job, hell yes.

an american red

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In the history of the world and I cant stress this enough THERE IS NO KNOWN RECORDING OF A STEEL STRUCTURED BUILDING COLLAPSING DUE TO FIRES.In fact years before in the great fires of Los Angeles I believe many similar buildings were completely on fire for days and not one collapsed under structural damage that was the biggest load of bulls**t about the entire story.
Aparently Jet fuel set alight causing fires that weakened the steel and caused the buildings weight to implode the building.

1)The Plane hit the top of the building so fires would be concentrated there yet and ill use simple terms if you weaken the top of a jenga only the top will fall but if you take out bottom pieces the whole thing will collapse.
Just like the controlled explosions people heard coming from the Underground car park (Their words not mine).

2)The accelerant (Jet fuel) which supposedly caused the fires has no prolonged contact with the steel it is a Flash burner and basically disintergrated instead of spreading more of an evaporation in flames.

3)The most interesting two buildings never mentioned are the THIRD trade centre a much smaller building sat beside the second.Cant remember why but this building is very important.
The Pentagon WHERE TO START WITH WHERE THOSE RETARDS F*CKED UP WITH THIS ONE IS RIDICULOUS ITS ALMOST COMICAL.
but will let everyone else have some fun with that one and fill in if people forget some hilarious facts.

Red tinted glasses

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Also a fun fact and this is either the worlds biggest coincidence but no one of any IMPORTANCE was lost in any of these attacks.
In fact I believe that some meetings were changed around and all sorts to make sure these people werent even in the same states as the attacks.Be interesting to know how this got swept under the carpet.

Red tinted glasses

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Theres an interesting interview with Aaron Russo where he admits David Rockerfeller told him it was going to happen as a pretext for middle east oil wars........

Matt_RFC

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To be fair and I'm playing a bit of Devil's advocate here but I have a very good friend who is a building engineer. I asked him to look at the evidence surrounding the collapse of the building and he advised me that it is possible for a building to collapse like that due to the intense heat from the fuel couple with combustible materials already present in the building such as air conditioner fluids. He also mentioned something about the elevator shafts acting like a funnel or something. I reminded him the building imploded. He admitted the way it fell looked like a controlled demolition, but the reason given for the collapse is valid.
I dont go with that though.
WT7 seems to be a very significant building in all this. I believe the CIA had a centre in there which held a lot of intelligence that was 'destroyed' and I'm sure I've read somewhere that building 7 collapsed before the twin towers! Anyone else heard that?
NoneTheWiser

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Building 7 actually held all the paperwork as such and held funnily enough if I remember rightly all the paperwork that had the meeting replacements on it which if it had survived would have shown basically anyone with any power rearranging their appointments on that day to the next one.
I know it had lots of other stuff as well but cant remember what the documentary said.And yes the two towers fell after this building.

Oh and None the wiser I do not doubt it is possible for a building to collapse but the fires would have to be on the ground floor not the top that is unfeasible.
And also what I said is that in the history of the world NEVER has a building collapsed due to fire.basically I think what they were saying is the elevator shafts were running through the centre where the structural main beams were but still these needed weakening at the bottom not the top.

Red tinted glasses

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As I say it was just a bit of Devil's Advocate on my part.
I don't have any expertise in where the placement of the fire would have to be in order for such an implosion to occur, but to say that's it's unfeasible I have to disagree.
Our basic understanding of physics would tell us it can't be done but that's just our understanding.
Don't get me wrong I believe that the WTC's was an inside job. I believe based on the evidence I've read and seen that it was probably a controlled detonation of explosives placed in the weakest structures of the building which when detonated caused it to implode.
NoneTheWiser

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If you stack some bricks in a twoer structure and hit it from the top the top will fall over and leave maybe half still remaining.

But if you hit it from the bottom then the whole thing will collapse its quite simple.

Basically I think it was said they intended to make the planes strike the bottom but the turning circles wouldnt allow it.So they struck the top instead therfore making the whole thing questionable.

Heat rises how can a fire at the top of a building weaken the bottom structurally it has no chance plus the fire needs alot of fuel ( supposedly jet fuel ) was the case but it has been proven this would have been more of a flash flame so your guess is as good as mine.
They stated in the official reports that something suspect went on this was done by independent investigators who basically debunked the whole thing as ludicrous.I mean I am not arguing with your mate like I said anything is possible but if you watch the video the planes did not damage the building that much really at all and the fires wouldnt have bought it down on itself and it collapsed in 8 sec if you dropped a penny of the top it would be around that time.
Ochams razer says that the simplest answer is usually the right one well add all the facts together that say it shouldnt have happened like that (ie loads more than written here ) to this Aplane flys into a building flown by terrorists and the buildings collapse because of the fires created.

That is all you or anyone has to go on that we see a plane go into a building we are told by others it was terrorists we are told by others how it happened would you believe them.

On another note if you still dont believe then check out the farsical cock ups they made over the pentagon one haha they used the wrong engine parts for starters when they scattered them over the area well I say scattered I mean the only thing left of the ENTIRE plane when it went into the side of the building was one engine and it was DEFINITELY not from the plane chartered to crash.

Eds do you know of any good docs the one I watched I think was something like a fist full of dollars or something with money in it.

Red tinted glasses {Ed001's Note - I can't think of any off the top of my head, I have watched a fair few that made interesting points though, so they are around.}

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Your missing my point and maybe I'm not explaining my clearly.
The convential laws of physics as you and I know it, apply to what you are saying, but there is black tech out there I am sure that confounds the convential laws as we see it.
We can not say for instance that it was not HARRP that destroyed the towers. We can not say that some sort of death ray ala Independence Day caused the implosion.
All we are certain of is there were flames inside and it imploded.
So I actually agree with you about the fire but I'm saying that there COULD be an unconventional act not following the laws as we perceive them whereby a fire could do that type of damage. That's all.
Yeah and with the Pentagon that side of the building was empty due to 'refurbishment'. It is also a legal requirement in the US for fighters to be scrambled to intercept if a commercial airliner veers significantly off its flight path. This only happened after the 3rd aircraft crashed.
NoneTheWiser

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The most significant fact of wtc7 is the fact that it falls at freefall speed into its own footprint. If one part was weakened it would have started to fall but its speed would be slowed down by actually hitting itself, this building was pulverised by explosives, to come down so fast it actuall had to be blown out of its own way. What about the interview where Silverstein said "We decided to pull it" you cant just decide to pull a building down so perfectly, what an person I hope he chokes on his dirty insurance money, come to think of it who paid him that money ? Anyone know, were they in on it ? It was probably down the line backed by the Fed's worthless printing machine synicate

Matt_RFC

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10 Apr 2012 09:34:25
Would just like to ask anyone who has been slagging off Scientologists ( I am not a scientologist by the way they are a creepy cult but then again so are all religions).

It makes me laugh that everyone on here bad mouthing Scientologists yet I bet if you saw a Christian or a Jew or Muslim you would think nothing of them yet their religious beliefs are probably just as crazy or their control techniques just as ridiculous.
Scientology believes an alien overlord imrpisoned for many years by his generals is the creator of life and we have these celestial beings who attach themselves to us.
Christaianity beleives a man god made 2 fish and a loaf of bread fed 500 people and he walked on water came back from the dead blah blah blah.
Muslims believe in a warlord called Mohammed who basically ransacked villages in god knows what century and kept a ten year old girl as a sex slave ( yes it is in the Koran before anyonbe says im racist which im not).
Jews would rather watch their child die than give a simple blood transfusion.
Its all just silly nonsense setup over years to grab money from people who believe by giving this money somehow they will get into heaven and live an eternity of peace.
For f***s sake Christianity has its own country governed by their own rules and their own police forces.
Scientology was just some story made up by a guy which some dumbasses took seriously and before you know it he was making some money.At least they didnt go on a crusade killing thousands so personally if you have some religios gripes I wouldnt worry so much about a relatively small group like Scientology more like the powerhouse of Christianity.

Another religious Query that I hope the eds will look into which I was told that makes you think.

If god and the devil made a pact to only influence through non direct tactics and that the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was too make people believe he wasnt real.
And with all the evil that has been created by religion and religious tensions (basically every war ever, Paedophilia is rife,historic tortures and greed making money of people desperate to be with god,hell they even run the country during points).I am sure there is much I cant even begin to remember wouldnt it make sense RELIGION IS THE PRODUCT OF THE DEVIL.

Red tinted glasses {Ed001's Note - only if you believe in the devil. In my opinion it is the product of a creature, humanity, that can't cope with the fact that it is merely an insignificant speck of life in the universe. So it invents these things, to give their life meaning, that is why they all operate by blind faith. That is why people are so desperate to believe in them and why they can be so easily perverted by a few leaders who are only interested in power.}

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Again ed you are very much right/wrong who knows all I know is if I live my life with no regrets when I die just because I am not tied to a specific religion will God not grant me happiness yet a mass murderer of children can repent his sins and be granted this happiness seems unfair.
No seriously you make a good point about maybe its all make believe kept alive by the desire for the end not to be the end and abused by people in power.
People are so quick to say about New world orders and powerful companies ruling the world but and I would bet my life on this they do not wield a third of the power that these so called religions do.Think about how many Christians there are in the world I mean the Americas themselves are basically all Christian Countries and they have lik 1.5 billion thats just them.
If you were trying to control the masses surely looking at religion would be a good standing point.
Personally when are people going to speak out about the attrocities committed by people of the church most recently finding out that the pope himself gave orders to cover up mass paedophilia how is that Godly thats disgusting.
Thats like David Cameron saying lets cover up paedophila whilst your sons getting touched up the Country would have him hung by his ballsac.Yet this pope who rightly so should be protected by bullet proof glass and his own personally chosen army no one really says anything about it he has just admitted to protecting paedophiles and no government says a word.

Red tinted glasses

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As far as I'm aware Jews can and do give blood transfusions.
As for the rest, the world is unfortunately made up of groups of people. Leaders and followers. Gullible and not so gullible. Religious and non religious.
Everyone of these innumerable groups should be entitled to do what they want as long as nobody is getting hurt form the direct or indirect actions.
As you know though this is not the case. Rich get richer by exploiting the poorer and the weaker. Why does this happen? Because we allow it to.
Consider this, if a person suddenly thought "I'm going to host a seminar on conspiracy theory. I'm going to hire a big stadium" on the day of the seminar the stadium is full of fellow theorists. Seminar is a huge success and so he does it again then again and again. Before you know it the person running the seminar is viewed as some sort of great leader and thinker.
At this point it is not inconceivable to imagine that you could Bourne a religion out of conspiracy theory. All you would need is a spiritual angle to tie all of your views together and you COULD form a religion.
Religions aren't bad per say, it the fanatical interpretations and translations that end up causing the problems.
NoneTheWiser

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As Ive said before, thousands of years ago religion made sense. People didnt know much so its obvious that they were going to come to the conclusion of a divine being or beings. There is no place for religion in todays world, they used to beleive that a god made things happen and over the years when science has proven how things happen the religios people still are blinded by ignorance. If you had never been told these fairy stories when you were young, and had never heard of religion and picked up a copy of the Bible or Torah, at what point would these people think it was beleivable ? Noahs ark with millions of animals not eating each other ? Maybe earlier with the talking snake ?
Its true, I know people who arent religios but still refer to muslims as 'them' and when its December they say 'our' chrismas, things like that. I look at chritians, muslims, jews, scientologists, jehovas as all as equally deluded as the next. There could be something more to life, I accept that, but its relegions with their fairy stories and mass donations to elite families and movements that people blatantly beleive and devote their lives to which i cant comprehend. If there is something out there or someone, you must accept that it could be evil not good, think of an innocent baby that dies of cancer for instance..........
Rant over :)

Matt_RFC

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Can't remember anyone slagging of scientology! Me personally anything that involves possible cults with the creators of the so called religion gaining wealth from doing so in my eyes is not true! I believe their principles more than i believe christian principles but the creator of scientology Lafayette Ronald Hubbard who was estimated to be worth a net 600 Million dollars was charged with fraud in 1978 and got 4 year prison service which was unserved and a 35000 fine. My point with this one is people discredit religion and beliefs based on facts! The only fact here is that L Ronald Hubbard was making a massive profit from scientology just like the vatican did with Christianity! There are no true religion's that dont make some people rich!

RR!

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" RELIGION IS THE PRODUCT OF THE DEVIL"

There is no god , there is no devil . Dopamine fairytales for the masses is what all religions are . Think about the amount of different religions that have or do exist , not one of them has any evidence of their respective dieties but claim millenia old ,mistranslated and retranslated fiction as alluding to fact . Religion is intellectually dishonest , socially unacceptable and not required . What kind of places would Baghdad , Beruit and Belfast be without religion ?

As for Scientology , if all the worlds religions were schoolchildren in a class , it would be sitting at the back of the class licking the paint off of the window frames . Founded by a corrupt homophobe who spent most of his intellect on writing Z-rate science fiction , it is designed to make MONEY . Nothing more , nothing less .

jimi88

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Im glad that you all see these religions as equally stupid check archives for waht im on about sorry just started on this site but some may know me from the Liverpool one.

Im in agreement with all the above why distinguish one as more stupid than the other and to be honest Ron Hubbard wrote his religion as I believe an unpublished story book then people high on LSD believed it and he made money at least he didnt use his power to start wars or anything.
Oh and Jews are not allowed transfusions or tattoos or donor body parts as it is against their religion a Woman died after giving birth to twins up my end and a simple transfusion would have saved her but because her family were strict religious types they let their grandchildrens mother just die based on nothing but writings in a book that is how powerful religion is.

Red tinted glasses {Ed001's Note - that's Jehovahs mate.}

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I will have to find the results of a genuine test study I once saw. They questioned 100 christians and 100 athiests with the same questions based on bible stories I think it was in America (figures ?). The athiests won by a mile which kind of says it all..............

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Religion, product of the devil, rubbish, who are you so called illuminati.

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I wasnt trying to say that Religion is the product so much as if you believe in GOOD vs EVIL in any form religion based for example.
It would make more sense that the ultimate good (ie- Christianity) be created by ultimate evil to fool people into evil.Now I see people dont like the use of Devil and God but this can be polluted into many forms and I just feel that somewhere along the lines these POWERHOUSES of Religion will force a hand of something and the masses will follow.

Red tinted glasses

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