Conspiracy Talk Archive September 13 2011

 

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13 Sep 2011 23:02:41
ed whats your thoughts on everything surrounding the moon as in landings the colour of it etc. DORSET RED {Ed033's Note - Watch Jose Escamilla's film Moon Rising to see the moon in colour + other anomalies here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK-2N4L5rCA&feature=fvsr

Another thing that we all need to comprehend is that there is allegedly a secret space program. The secret space program obviously uses high end black technology and can probably travel throughout the solar system and beyond.

Apollo could have got to the moon in my opinion by using black technology. However it appears that almost all of the astronauts cannot remember what they did on the moon according to Richard Hoagland and Mike Barra's book, Dark Mission; such as Edgar Mitchell who allegedly went to a hypnotherapist twice to uncover memories of his time on the moon because he couldn't remember. However no moon memories were found and the hypnotherapist told Edgar Mitchell that the reason he couldn't find the memories of Edgar Mitchell's time on the moon was because the memories weren't there in the first place.}

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Yes ive seen that film very interesting indeed.not heard bout the black project space program but i suspect private companies are doing it thus not having to give information under the freedom of information act.DORSET RED

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13 Sep 2011 22:06:49
Not so much a Conspiracy as a question. Does anybody think time travel is possible.

Sooty

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According to Physics, yes it's possible. We just don't have the technology yet. However, I don't think travelling backwards is possible.
Easiest way to describe it. Apparently, when you look at a star, you are seeing it tens of thousands of years ago, because even travelling at the speed of light, the star you are looking at is so far away, that's the amount of time the light emitted takes to reach your vision.
Hopefully, we'll see it achieved in our lifetime!

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I agree travelling back in time is not possible, how do I know, because we haven't been visited......or have we...

Sooty {Ed033's Note - According to Andrew D. Basiago, he was involved in project pegasus, a time traveling black project.}

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Did he claim to have come back in time?

Sooty {Ed033's Note - Yes Project Pegasus according to Basiago took people back in time and back. However even if you don't believe Basiago with the time travel info, he has come up with a load of Mars anomalies pictures such as what looks to be a fairly clear picture of a humanoid statue - www.talkconspiracy.co.uk/ar_1.php }

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13 Sep 2011 21:53:46
A YOUNG Liverpool FC striker was today under investigation by the club after claiming 9/11 was not the work of terrorists.

Reserve team striker Nathan Eccleston, 20, has caused outrage after his posting on Twitter on the 10th anniversary of the atrocity.

In it, he claimed the attacks were "an accident" and that he believed the "Illuminati" – a shadowy society spread across the world – were responsible.

Eccleston, who has so far made nine appearances for the Reds, wrote: "I aint going to say attack don’t let the media make u believe that was terrorist that did it. #O.T.I.S."

OTIS stands for ‘Only The Illuminati Succeed’.

Now senior officials at the US-owned club have told the Manchester-born player he faces an investigation into his posting.

Today, the Tweet had been removed from his site.

An LFC spokesman said: "The club takes this matter extremely seriously and senior club officials have informed Nathan Eccleston that we are undertaking an investigation into the circumstances surrounding these postings and will decide on an appropriate course of action."

Fans were split over the striker’s actions.

Some took to internet message boards to defend him as "only young", saying he was allowed to voice an opinion.

But most slammed him, with some calling for him to never wear the shirt again and others labelling him as "idiotic, misinformed and basically stupid".

Eccleston joined LFC from Bury aged 15 and has spent time out on loan at Huddersfield Town and Charlton Athletic.

He gave up his number 39 shirt from last season’s squad when Craig Bellamy returned to Anfield last month.

Obviously someone didn't read the disclaimer at they'll of the page Ed.

dmedly {Ed001's Note - it's worrying that a player is getting into trouble for expressing an opinion.}

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Well said Ed. Also just read out your little freestyle battle with Chris Tamworth, and we both think you are a top lad/ladette and he is a bell-end.

This footballer has every right to his opinion, everyone should get off his back.

Raz {Ed001's Note - he is not a bell end to be fair, he just has different beliefs. Everyone is entitled to their own belief, be they Nathan Eccleston or you or me or Chris. Unfortunately it seems you are only allowed to express your opinion if it agrees with what the PC brigade think. I have seen a load of people calling for a boycott of a rapper's record label because they didn't like his lyrics regarding soldiers. I just don't understand why they can't just not buy the record if they object to the lyrics. These days we have to have a witch hunt every time someone doesn't have the same opinion as everyone else.}

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I know, it's gross. Maybe I shouldn't call him a bell end, but I feel that way because of his point blank refusal to fail to accept that someone disagree with him, and then to call them out as childish. Why would you be on a conspiracy site but then be prepared to slam someone for a view that doesn't tally with your own? Kind of like a straight man walking into a gay bar and then complaining that everyone is gay, it makes no sense. {Ed001's Note - good analogy, that was the bit I was struggling with.}

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13 Sep 2011 20:41:06
The starchild skull is a fascinating find, worth more study's I think, the potential it has is phenomenal. Apparently, it's been scientifficly tested over seven times and the end results are all the same. The father is not of human origin, check it yourself. Lloyd Pye is the man in possession of this wonderful mystery.
To the guy that said it's FACT that Aliens have never visited earth!! If you research all the ancient cultures, eg.. The Sumerians, Egyptians, Hopi, Mayans etc... They all spoke of the Gods ( some called them space brothers ) who came from the sky, who were divine and other worldly. Yes, these COULD just be myth, but to create a myth or a tale, you must have a reference point. Eg.. They must have witnessed something to be able to speak of it, for you can't describe what you have never seen. That's a FACT!
To the other guy who was talkin about 9/11 sayin he'll never be convinced that anything dodgy went on that day. No one here is trying to CONVINCE anyone about anything. We've simply seen so much evidence, that the official story doesn't right with us. Please look at the evidence that's out there yourself, and if you're still happy with what you believe, then fair play to you, as only you can make up your own mind. But here are some things for you to check out.

1. How does a plane that stands 45ft tall leave a 15ft hole in the Pentagon?
2. Why have the FBI/CIA never released the footage that THEY confiscated to prove that it was a plane that hit the Pentagon? ( hundreds of CCTV cameras surround the Pentagon and it's been admitted the footage was taken )
3. How did the BBC manage to report that WTC 7 had collapsed 20mins before it did? With WTC 7 still standing behind the correspondent who was in NY?
4. Pools of molten metal found days after the attack, and thermite seen ( footage ) pouring out one of the WTC's. Jet fuel doesn't burn to temperatures that produces these results, so what did?
5. Police officers and firefighters reporting multiple explosions, and explosions seen as the buildings are coming down. Why would these men of authority and protection of citizens report these explosions if they weren't true?

Check out zeitgeist, 9/11 ripple effect, esoteric agenda, these will lead you to other documentarys/films and fir you to do more of your OWN research my friend, and hopefully put you on the path to truth and unity with OUR brothers and sisters across the globe.

Peace to all

Jay

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Nope i still aint buying it buddy. More chance of Elvis being behind it.

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You see, you've just read what I've wrote, weighed it up and thought, na. This isnt something i watched on YouTube and went, ok, it's a conspiracy. I've looked at that event for around 4 - 5 years and look at the world today, to me it's obvious. But for you to say for sure in your heart of hearts that it was as was told, then do some serious research. Like I said before, if that's what you believe, then fair play to you, I'd never try and sway anyone into believing anything I say, as I'll probably never know the the full extent of what really happened myself.
Anyway, I wish you all the best mate!

Jay

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For anyone interested in what has gone on in the last 10 years look into the house of saud and the american connection , we all know theres a lot more to these wars we are fighting than the mainstream media tell.........lfc

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Jay I have been reading and watching about the starchild all morning, it is amazing. Little things such as that super-human/unidentifiable 'fibre' that meshed itself throughout the skull- perhaps like when we mesh glass? After all, it was half to a quarter the normal human skull thickness.

It is annoying they do not know what the red residue is - having said that it is not bone marrow, they then have not attempted to identify it yet. Well not from what I have got through so far.
Their theory of potential alien genetic engineering is really interesting.
Mum mentioned a disease when I spoke about the extra row of teeth ready and waiting even though this was an adult head - she mentioned Proteus syndrome... no mention of it so far, even to refute it.

Really interesting reading.

Raz

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So who was the slut that banged an alien {Ed001's Note - why? Do you want her number so you can have a go?}

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13 Sep 2011 20:40:59
Do you think that there is life on other worlds......Yes/No....if no then look at this.

Just read on the European Space Agency web site....

Number of Stars in Universe :-
10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.

Number of those Stars with planets(10%) :-
100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.

Number of those planets that could support life(1%):-
1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.
That's 1 Million Trillion

So there is more chance of there being life on other worlds than not....

Sooty

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Nice, Erik Von Daniken speaks of this in his book Chariots of the Gods. A good read and very thought provoking.
I personally believe there are other intelligent beings out there, and I always will. Don't get me wrong, I accept there might not be, but I highly doubt it. Put it this way, if anyone thinks that, in the vastness of the whole Universe, that we're the only ones here, then there maybe something wrong with your way of thinking. The problem is, most people that think we are the only ones, have either been brought up to think like that, or fear being ridiculed for thinking there might be. The funny thing about it is, most of the disbelievers believe in God or some other religious God, without ANY evidence of his/her existence. Just a story from a book, and dedicate their lives to their God. Even funnier than that, ALL religious books talk about God coming from the sky, let's say it's true, where does he live then? Because if these so called religious Gods are real, they have to be living entities, not invisible forces that we can't see. You see, the reason they don't like talk like this, is that, if ANY of the religious Gods are real ( and they might be ) then they must be from another world, which we would have to label them ALIEN as they are not of this world. He ho, just what I think.

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Erik Von Daniken is a hero of mine, his writings about the Pyramids is amazing.

Sooty

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Now with this in mind, if just 0.0001% of these had life that had discovered basic space travel(much the same as us):-
100,000,000,000,000, or 100 thousand billion.
Then if just 1% of these had life which had interstellar travel, i.e. Light speed:- 1,000,000,000,000. and finally if just 1% of these had faster than light travel, i.e. wormhole technology, instantaneous travel.....10,000,000,000
That's ten billion planets capable of visiting us. Then you look at the fact that maybe only 1% of them are capable of finding us, after all its a big arse Universe then we have a grand total of 10,000,000 life forms capable of visiting us. Now do you think no Aliens have visited Earth?......

Sooty

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He's also done great work on the nasca lines. That's a hard one for anyone to try and figure out just what it really is. One things for sure, it can't be a natural phenomena, far too many straight lines. And the depictions that are there ( monkey, man etc.. ) you'd have to be in the sky to see them. So who made them? And who were they made for to appreciate? Daniken is a legend!

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13 Sep 2011 20:01:46
I think its a conspiracy how i pick my bets and then the bloody idiots do their utmost to screw me over..... {Ed033's Note - How else would they make money out of you? }

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I know but come on, even paul the octopus would have had no chance

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13 Sep 2011 17:19:01
not really a conspiracy but is. But years and years ago i read this book, fiction one, that started with hitler's plane exploding as it comes into land at the wolfs lair. Martin bormann covered it up and replaced him with hitlers double but because he doesn't have his flair his poor decisions screw up the war and they lose. Through the book there's all these attempts by both germans and british to uncover a top russian spy right at the top of the germans inner circle. At the end its revealed that the spy is none other than bormann who gets rescued by the russians only to be murdered on stalin's orders. Was a good read. Just wondering if anyone else ever read it or knows what it was called as its really puzzling me.

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Never read it but want to now.

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13 Sep 2011 16:54:18
I like a good conspiracy theory as much as the next man but lets get a few things straight
1) there are no such things as ghosts
2) alien beings have never visited the earth
3) mediums and psychics are fraudsters
4) there is no god

Chris in Tamworth {Ed001's Note - I am sorry but you cannot say that any of those things are facts. What happened to keeping an open mind?}

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1.agree
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3.most are but some are very good
4.agree

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1. Chris i am not a psychic or a medium but i have seen quite a few ghosts and had a lamp threw at me when im the only one in the house so your a bit dumb 2. Aliens have never visited the earth you have obviously never met my step mother 3. read 1. and 4. and as for there being no god no one will ever know

MJ {Ed033's Note - I'll just add in a few things for people to look in to. In no particular order -
• Who do people think they're communicating with when they use a Ouija board?
• Check out Electronic Voice Phenomena
• Read about the Star Child Skull and the Cone Head Skulls
• Read about Dr. Gary Schwartz's research on life after death using mediums/psychics to communicate with the so called 'dead'

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I've seen Tamworth at kicking out time on a Friday and Saturday night. An alien invasion would have no chance.

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Isn't that EVP thing the white noise stuff? {Ed033's Note - Some EVP sounds like words spoken in English that make up a cohesive sentence. On a completely different note 'Reverse Speech' is also an interesting subject to look into}

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1. I'd say no, but I've seen too many things that I can't explain.
2. Impossible for their not to be aliens, as far as them visiting the earth then the jury's still out.
3. Agree.
4. We will never know, but I hate people who use his name for their own gain, i.e. priests, Bishops who live in freeking big houses.

Sooty

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1) EVP = simple scientific explanation
2) star child skull and conehead skulls = simple scientific explanations
3) Dr Schwartz' research = simple explanation
Now it's time to get a grip children

Chris in Tamworth {Ed001's Note - I think the only one who needs to get a grip is you. You have a closed mind, there is no such thing as a simple scientific explanation, science changes constantly and what is accepted as fact one day is disproven the next. Only a fool would rule anything out on the basis of science.}

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Ed001 I am a huge fan of your football opinions however when you say "there is no such thing as a simple scientific explanation" you are making yourself look very foolish.
I have no hesitation in saying that it's impossible for there not to be other life out there but why do some people have this ridiculous desire to believe that it has or is visiting us? Just tell me if aliens are visiting us, if they are so technologically advanced that they have found a way, what exactly is their reason for being so coy?
I'll say it again, get a grip

Chris in Tamworth {Ed001's Note - I never said they did, I said that you have to keep an open mind because you only have your opinion to decide whether they have or not. As for looking foolish, I think you will find that I am not looking foolish, you are the only one looking foolish by refusing to even listen to anyone else's point of view. As I pointed out, what is science fact one day is often proven to be false the next, so you can't sit there and claim it has a simple scientific explanation. ALL science is theoretical, none of it can be truly proven, only proven to the point where it is accepted that it is probably fact. If you fail to understand that, then I am afraid you are the one who is going to look foolish. After all scientific fact was telling us that margarine was good for us, now scientific fact tells us that it is actually harmful. Do you really want to rely on explanations that mostly depend on who is funding the research? Everything should be taken as just one piece of the puzzle and nothing should be taken on face value.}

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Yeah ok

Chris in Tamworth {Ed001's Note - wow that all you got? No way of pointing out where I was incorrect, just dismissing it out of hand? Or perhaps that was acknowledgement that just maybe I could have a point? Why don't you start again with those things stated as beliefs and not facts. Because nothing you said was a fact, merely your belief. Surely you are wasting your time coming on here if you are not going to open your mind and give people the chance to convince you otherwise? Personally I am unconvinced that aliens are around us now, I fully understand why you are skeptical about that, I am too. But I am happy to examine anything people can provide to back up their beliefs one way or the other. I would not just dismiss it out of hand like you are.}

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I've got nothing against being open minded Ed and believe me there are plenty of things (especially around 9/11) that haven't been fully explained however some things have a perfectly reasonable scientific explanation. The trouble with most conspiracy theorists is they won't believe anything. Your argument is that I should open my mind to everything, ok but where do we stop then? Or do we question everything all the time? We should concentrate on getting the answers to the important questions not wasting our time and losing our credibility on ghosts and bloody aliens!
My "yeah ok" response was because it's obvious that you want to believe so will never be swayed by any argument I can give. You will argue that I am just the same but it's not quite the same for me because I am starting my argument from a pretty strong position, namely, common sense and the support of scientific evidence.
And by the way your margarine analogy was poor

Chris on Tamworth {Ed001's Note - I want to believe? Whatever gave you that impression? I would much prefer to be able to believe what I am told on the TV and that the government actually acts on behalf of the people like it should. I would prefer there to be no ghosts etc, I am not convinced there are ghosts, but there is no scientific proof that they don't exist. No more than there is proof that bumblebees can't fly. How was my margarine analogy poor? I was pointing out that theories and beliefs change all the time, usually based on what the people paying for a study want the study to prove. There were a number of independent studies done in South Africa that showed endurance athletes performed better if given a high-fat diet. Yet the scientific community has decided that it is fact that fat needs to be reduced for athletes, all based on studies paid for by companies with a vested interest in finding that lower fat products are needed. All the studies on ghosts etc are done by people with a vested, personal interest in either disproving or proving they exist. As such any and all conclusions have to be treated as suspect. That was my point. I am just highly sceptical about everything, quite the opposite from those who want to believe.}

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Well I AM convinced there are ghosts and I do not care what others think about that. I do not believe for 1 second that those ridiculous haunted house TV progs depict ghosts, but i do believe in ghosts. As humans we live within 3 dimensions, and we have 5 senses that can be proven with simple physics - taste, sight, sound, touch, smell. Fact. I believe there is a 6th sense. And I am open to there being more. I am also open to the concept of peopel's senses reaching different echelons of functionality - i.e. stronger sense of taste, some people hear better than others, whatever. With training, and presumably gene-pool work over hundreds of generations, you can breed improvement into a trait. The concept of dimensions is interesting to me, and I feel that our 5 physical senses usually only operate within a very limited 'bandwidth' and within our dimension. I believe that sometimes people's senses are at a higher state than others, which is why some people see ghosts and other can't. I believe that there are more senses than the ones we exhibit e.g. telepathy. I also believe there are huge areas of the brain that apparently 'don't do much' or whatever - those areas simply wait to be exploited by senses we have not developed, IMO. Sounds whack but we do not know everything bout our own brain. So to simply write off the concept of ghosts, or that some people may be able to see whatever 'dimension' or whatever you want to call it, or that some people's senses cannot reach that level of function, is perhaps jaded.

Some people are capable of believing things only when they see them, which is fine. Others will do whatever they can to explain that which they do not believe as being something else - e.g. hallucinations, not ghosts. It is interesting, but it surprisingly ties in with our ID and EGO quite a lot. Moments like this, therefore, we can do no more than to agree to disagree with each other - but don't be so closed minded that you feel you can call people childish for what they feel. I don't believe in God, but I don't go around saying to those who do that they need to get a grip, they're childish, there's no proff, etc etc. I respect their shiz and that's that. {Ed001's Note - actually we have more than 5 senses, that is a misconception, if you look it up there are many more that we use.}

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Sorry Ed, I meant 5 physical ones that are supported an irrefutable - sight, sound, taste, smell, touch. It was more to just make my point rather than to go into an in depth discussion in the literal number of senses we possess, but in a way your point supports mine so that's great. I am reading an interesting article as you got me thinking, it says itch is a sense - I disagree. A physical and chemical process occurring on the skin which triggers electrical impulses in the same nuerosensors as touch does - some people feel smell and taste are the same sense but 'delivered' differently, on this occasion I'd have to say itch is in the same overall area as touch. However, I am going to read up on this as this website I found says that it surprisingly IS different sensory set from touch. It is the same sense that detects being tickled by a feather IMO so will read into it. Simultaneously, pressure. Pressure in the context of something leaning on you is again just touch. Pressure in the sense of air pressure - that creates a measurable force on your eardrum - touch. Just because it is air does not mean it isn't touch. Again, the same senses that feel a breeze.

I agee there are more clear vut ones to add to the list - thermoception (being able to tell temperature changes), proprioception - being able to tell where your body parts are. You could argue this is linked with touch - muscle movements send impulses down the same sensory cells due to pressure changes and this tells us where the limb is. When you fall asleep on your arm, there is no blood flow, the electrochemical processes therefore do not occur, and they cannot be 'felt'. SO again, debatable.
Pain is an obvious one. Some come under the umbrella of touch but can be separated into further ones like the ones I have just mentioned, but pain is deffo a separate one.
Balance
Hunger
Thirst.

etc etc.

Completely gone off the point haha sorry, but yeah my point was we have many senses and there could be more that not everyone uses. {Ed001's Note - it is an interesting subject, I think, but I bet there are a lot of people that would disagree with me on that! But back to the original question, we only have to look at how much of the brain is left unused to realise that we are missing something.}

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Exactly my point Ed, all this grey matter must have a use, some might say. Others may say who cares. I for one do not believe that the rain operates at exactly the same level for every single person. When one's operates less, we call it things like, as a loose example, learning difficulties. What if someone's operates at a higher level? And detects senses that most cannot? What if eye sight is based as much upon physical rays of light as it is upon being able to detect them, and more? hence wh I believe some people can see ghosts and others can't/ We've all seen those cheesy horror films where someone can see or hear voices and nobody else can, they get pegged as a nutter, everyone dies, turns out they were right in the first place, bla bla bla... no smoke without fire .
Raz

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13 Sep 2011 13:09:16
so whats everyone's favourite conspiracy? Whats some good stuff? The krespi stuff was interesting bit dubious though.

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9/11 (or 11/9) and the moon landings (or the nevada desert landings as I call it!!)

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Sorry but you'll never convince me that 9/11 was anything other than what it was. Too many people would have to be involved and someone always makes a slip up. Just look at watergate. Now Kennedy i could believe.

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13 Sep 2011 01:01:52
hey edd what do you make of the dulce conspiracy fight between aliens and humans, phil Schnider (think that was hes name) {Ed033's Note - Phil Schneider apparently lost 3 fingers in the fight with the alleged aliens and apparently had first hand knowledge of black projects and photographs to prove the things he lectured about. His father, Oscar also worked in black projects and allegedly had first hand knowledge and photographs that Phil also lectured about. It appears that Phil was being believed by people attending his lectures in the 2 years of lecturing he did before dying under mysterious circumstances which was sold as a suicide. You can watch Phil Schneider lectures on youtube and decide for yourself whether the things Phil Schneider said were real. I personally feel he genuinely believed what he was saying was real.}

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Is that the guy who went to an alien installation with a group of marines and the alien burned his fingers off with some kind of ray that came from its chest after he shot at it ...sounds stupid but i saw an interview with someone and the quotes above sound like him

MJ

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Yeh edd seen youtube dulce a few years ago, my impression of phil was ,either he was a attention seeker and a bit weird or it happened, personally i think he thinks it happened, scary thought.

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13 Sep 2011 10:12:56
Something I haven't seen on here yet: crop circles.

I was reading about Sodom and Gomorrah, and starting thinking about our planet sort of being under the microscope from outside, and then my imagination took over and I pictured a little lazer burning crop circles into fields.

I love the idea that crop circles aren't done by some struggling farmer out to make a quick buck, but rather a higher, larger, unseen entity that so far has not been proven if it has been explained.

Any thoughts?

Raz

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One thought - keep off the wacky-backy... {Ed033's Note - Well, some of the large crop circles have allegedly appeared within an hour or two making it impossible for it to be done by Doug and Dave. Also people have alleged that the crops in certain crop circles have been bent using heat}

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Why would you be on this page yet not even consider the idea that crop circles aren't necessarily done but a farmer? Have you SEEN those patterns?

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13 Sep 2011 00:20:39
Just thought i'd post this here
When they say the mayans predicted that the world would end in 2012 that is not true, this is because they continued there calendars on into the future but never got past 2012 because they were destroyed by the spanish

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{Ed033's Note - Most of the book publishers want to make money off the 2012 hype so they get authors to write about the Mayan Calendar even though they haven't even studied the Mayan Calendar and book publishers seem to think that bad news sells more than good news hence all the propaganda about the end of the Mayan Calendar equaling the end of the world. However one man that has actually studied the Mayan calendar is Maurice Cotterell and it turns out that 2012 is not the end of the Mayan Calendar and that the Mayan Calendar continues on for millions of more years. }

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