Conspiracy Talk Archive September 14 2011

 

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14 Sep 2011 23:17:14
Great site Eds. If nothing else it's a nice distraction from the infantile rumours that seem to crop up these days on LFC site :-).
Been reading the various posts regarding 911. Whether people believe or not regarding it being somehow an inside job there remains a very disturbing aspect of the event. For the first and only time not 1 but 3 steel structures, which were otherwise sound , collapsed in a matter of hours with fires said to be the cause of the destruction. No investigation has or will ever take place regarding their collapse. The debris was shipped to China, (i think), for recycling. Many structural engineers, architects, etc feel this was certainly an error, as the reasons for the collapse of the structures could not be inverstigated. Any air crash is stringently investigated by experts to determine why a crash takes p[lace. However, in this case the steel which would have at the very least given clues as to why it failed was never investigated to determine what flaws may have caused 3 buildings to collapse in such a short time, on the same day. This certainly raises questions as to the honesty of those in charge in wishing to scientifically determine how to prevent a fire from bringing down a steel structure again.

MickQ

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The fires became so hot and out of control the steel started to buckle and bend. the steel was designed to cope with a lot of stress from the buildings but not that much. once the steel failed the buildings collapsed.
it was explained at the time. shortly afterwards, and since then.
buildings are just not made to withstand planes crashing into them.

MIKEY

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Each tower was actually built to to take the impact of 2 jumbo jets and still stay standing do the research if you don't beleive me! And both towers came down at freefall speed as if there was no resistance underneath them at all, jst like a demolition

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And to add to that, aircraft fuel can only burn at 1,700 degrees max and steel starts to weaken at 2,500 degrees! To cut steel you need to use an oxy-setaline burner which melts steel at 4,500 degrees

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The world trade center towers were designed in 1960. the jumbo jets at the time were a lot smaller than the ones used in the attacks. and they were never designed to withstand jet planes flying into them anyway. light aircraft at the very most.
and steel starts to buckle at 600degrees centigrade. it melts at a higher temp.
the steel only needed to buckle a bit for the massive weight it was supporting to collapse.
stop being stupid now.

MIKEY

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A plane didnt hit WTC7 and an order was given to PULL IT which means bring it down..all this in a few hours,,takes weeks of planning to bring a building that size down..and we r to believe it was done in hours.

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Mikey you have missed my point regarding the steel. No scientist or structural engineer were allowed investigate steel from any of the builings which collapsed. I'm not disputing the extreme temperatures did have an effect on the towers. However, your agrument does not stand up when compared to the colapse of WTC7. Yes this may have been damaged by falling debris and was aflame on some floors, but, this cannot explain the the demolition style collapse of tower 7. I look forward to your explanation for this particular buildings freefall into it's own imprint.

MickQ

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P.S.
Mikey,
Check out some details regarding what the designers of the towers said they could withstand and also plane comparisons.

911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/design.html#engineers

MickQ

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OMG Mikey "the fires became so hot and out of control", this is what the main stream media say and all the simpletons just repeat it. If you look with your own eyes you will see that the fire brigades had put out all the fires and just some smoke was billowing out when the twin towers were demolished (wih controlled explosions - see Loose Change film). And another thing is the towers fell very close to free fall speed and landed in their own footprint and were disintegrated into a fine powder, a random collapse from buckling steel could not have caused this.

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MickQ the debris was investigated at the time i remember seeing it on the news.
dunno about wtc7 to be honest.
tall buildings tend to fall downwards tho.
they dont topple as some people expect.

MIKEY

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Actually MICKEY, no one was allowed to investigate any of the debris. You should check the facts before you make up lies. Disinformation is a disgusting habit of yours so far.
That's annoying because you seem like a smart guy, at least the DBTS checks his info out before he puts his point across.

Jay

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14 Sep 2011 20:52:09
Conspiracy:

Schizophrenia is actually a heightened state of human awareness, not 'madness'. Those things they see and hear are real.

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14 Sep 2011 22:33:43
9/11 wasn't an inside job ffs!! Why does everyone think it is? Why would the US goverment blow up their own military hq ( The Pentagon ) and their economic centre ( The World Trade Centre ) ? Do they want to destroy their own country? Anyone who thinks it was an inside job is a complete retard!!!

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And here, ladies and gentlemen, is a clear cut example of HOW they could get away with it so easily.

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All you have to do is think of what has happened to the US economy since then. Just prior to 911 Donald Rumsfeld came out and said that the pentagon had 2.3 trillion dollars that they couldnt account for. Dont go calling people retards for having an open mind and looking at the facts especially when you clearly have not

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It was a terrorist attack. they claimed responsibility. you would really have to belive in a cause stronger than new world order or some s**te to kill yourself in such a fashion. giving your life so somebody can control the banks or government is just never going to happen.

MIKEY

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Well if thats the case, where is the proof of a plane hitting the pentagon? What happened to the debris a plane leaves when it crashes? ie: seats, wheels, indestructable engines, the black box etc, etc, etc. Pilots with over 40 years of experience have come out and said that if they tried 100 times they would not be able to fly the path that a so called terrorist flew, the so called terrorist who was unable to fly a cesna properly.

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I am a flight attendant and know at least 100 pilots and they all say they can fly that path. i could do it myself you dont have to be a pilot of 40 years to fly a plane. they are very easy to opperate. pilots are only there if something goes wrong with the plane. and there is footage of a plane flying into the pentagon. its not great quality but you can see its a plane. there was wreckage inside the building. the plane flew into it. so thats were the wreckage was.
and a modern jet is a lot easier to fly than a cessna.
the hard part of a modern jet is takeoff and landing that was never done by the terrorists.
even that can and is done regulary by auto pilot.
case closed.

MIKEY

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Why did someone disagree with that? lol


MIKEY

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MIKEY

You seem to be so full of s**t so far mate!
You know 100 pilots and they could all do the flight path of the plane that bit the Pentagon? BULLs**t of the highest degree my friend. Why has every Pilot that's been asked about say that they couldn't do it?
It's a shame, you've been suckered in to believing whatever the mainstream media tells you. Poor little sheep!

Ps. I'm not saying this because you don't agree with what most people On here are saying, I'm saying it because it's obvious you're making up lies to suit your own theory. Problem is, anyone with half a brain can see right through you MIKEY!

Jay

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14 Sep 2011 22:04:16
please ed post this:
i want all people who dont belive in conspiracy to watch youtube or a dvd called the arrivals please watch all . Then leave some comments!!! its a good watch if you have a open mind

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I am now watching it upon your recommendation - it is interesting to say the least, and it it pretty clear that the reference ot the all-seeing eye, and subliminal messaging, has been going on for a long time. I do not for one second believe the Antichrist is coming though , that is just ridiculous. I an ALIEN coming? Who knows. But the Antichrist? Pffffffffff.

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14 Sep 2011 21:42:11
david kelly....suicide or murder?

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I actually think its suicide but i think our government drove him to it.
i think he was threatened with losing his job, or worse, unless he backed the war. i think he must of thought suicide was the only way to get out of the hell he was in.
such a shame.
i am guessing we will never know, but there is a case for murder.
im 60% suicide 40% murder on this one.

MIKEY

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If he was backed into a corner and committed suicide then those who backed him into it should be tried for murder.

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14 Sep 2011 20:00:50
Is it just me or does anyone else believe we are in the middle of ufo disclosure...i mean the catholic church has come out and expressed an opinion on aliens,as have a number of leaders in other religions...governments are now releasing a lot of ufo files with some leaders of smaller countries openly admitting their belief in ufos being extraterrestrial in nature...announcements of new planets being discovered which could be earthlike!! ufo sightings have become more frequent and spectacular...the jerusalem ufo incident for example(why was the clearly faked video of that the only one shown on any tv station or news channel?),the fact that there are a lot of tv documentaries relating to aliens and ufo encounters, not to mention the amount of tv shows and movies with the subject matter being aliens, all acting to heighten awareness in the subject!! so many military personnel,both acting and retired,high ranking members of government agencies,poloticians,astronauts,pilots,policemen,etc, have come forward relaying their own stories and encounters...its all a bit too much too soon for their to be nothing behind it!!

With regard to astronauts coming forward,i think this may be the area which is possibly pushing the subject the most!!through listening to their stories it would apparently seem like there is a fairly large extraterrestrial presence in space around earth...they talk about seeing objects regularly up there. With the commercialisation of space travel only a couple of years away, perhaps the powers that be realise that space tourists are perhaps going to be presented with an abundance of ufos on their trips and it would be hard to silence thousands of people who witness these objects!!i do believe that within the next year or 2 that ufo disclosure will happen,perhaps this is the great change they talk about that is supposed to happen in 2012!!

PmacC

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Couldn't have put it better myself. The majority of astronauts that have visited the moon have seen landed ufos. Their are also pictures of the moon with buildings being smudged out etc. If you look to the sky at night you bound to see a UFO.....I have!

Azza

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Azza, Where do you get this information from? "The majority of astronauts that have visited the moon have seen landed ufos."

Ash

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14 Sep 2011 19:59:12
The only reason I can come up with with why they're keeping aliens top secret is because they don't want to let any of the public know that they aren't in control of our sky. JFK wanted to expose them which is why he was killed. I've seen footage of the secret government trying to shoot down ufos in space.

2012? I don't think it's he end of the world but I do believe it's when everything will get exposed. From aliens to 9/11 inside job (illuminati) etc

what's your thoughts?

Azza

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I do agree with you Azza,but on top of that i believe that the powers that be are worried that the open existness of et's would undermine their power over people...it would almost undoubtly result in technological advancements in power,communication,travel,health,etc, over which they would have no control...basically they have nobody to answer to but if there was an acceptance of humans to a kind of galactic family then they would lose their privelege of doing what they like...its all an agenda with them...that agenda being their own personal hold over people!!

PmacC

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The reason there has been no disclosure up to now boils down to one word.....OIL! if we make contact with an advanced alien race with advanced form of propulsion the oil would become worthless overnight, and without oil countries have no power.

Sooty

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14 Sep 2011 16:56:04
RAZ

yeah the starchild skull thing is extremely interesting. Glad you took the time to give it a chance. I'm not even sure what I think of it myself, I'd like it to be what science seems to be saying it is. Here's hoping.

Peace

Jay

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Ah come on that Star child stuff is guff have you never seen a mis shaped skull. If you dug up the elephant man you would think its an alien.

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It's pretty mad tbh. I'm still reading it all. Right now I am asking myself where the studies on the fibres are, and why they keep saying the control skull was 'reportedly' found with the Starchild skull. Also where are the studies on the unidentifiable red stuff? And are they sure it wasn't burnt collagen from the blade? They said there was no protocol if you like for studying something they cannot identify so they have't tried yet, for fear of contaminating the sample. IMO they have more than enough sample to try SOMETHING and see what they get, rather than just sit on a research stalemate. If they do get to it that's great, but I haven't got that far yet.

Raz

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Mate I have seen so much about the elephant man - and so far that has been explained by things. I watched that programme about 6 weeks ago about the elephant man and how they think he died- by leaning his head a certain way and it snapping his neck etc when he went to bed. Whatever. I am waiting to read an explanation for a skull made out of tooth, uniformly yet unforced-ly different to a normal human, much much thinner and lighter, yet stronger. I am not arrogant enough to simply thumb-down the Star Child as being not-entirely-human just because it doesn't sit with my idea of normal or acceptable. I have not finished reading, however, and when I have I will draw my own conclusions. The only thing I will say now before it crops up later is this: if all this govt cover up stuff really does happen and any trace of alien life is always hidden and then publicly dismissed, then I will not be surprised if I eventually end up reading that this is in fact human, even if I do not believe it.

What also makes me curious is that it had a string of DNA nucleotides or whatever that were 100% human, tied in with DNA that apparently was 100% NOT - not only that, but unrecognised as being anything from this planet that science knows about so far. That is amazing, and I will carry on exploring til I find out what people think it is.

On a side note, enough work and research has been done on body language and psychology to be able to identify immediately whether or not the scientists responsible for providing the DNA results, and Pye, are lying. So I don't think they are at this moment in time.

Raz

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Nutshell: there is a difference between mis-shaped and perfectly-formed-yet-different.

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To the guy that says the Starchild skill is only a misshapen skull. You clearly have only seen a pic of it, and by the sound of it, not a very good one. All sceptics say that they want evidence. Well science has tested this thing more than several times at different labs by different scientists and the conclusion ( so far ) is always the same. That the biological father of this thing is not of human origin. Even by looking at the pics, you can see it's not just a misshapen skull. Thing is, we don't know exactly how it came about, but we have it. Also, if there is ever a final test that explains it, then I'll accept whatever they say.
Dont be so close minded.
Remember, the brightest minds in the world once believed the earth was flat, so ponder that for a while.
Next you'll be saying it's FACT, that we're the only intelligent beings in the whole universe.

Anyway, peace

Jay

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God then you are all right! Aliens are responsible for the evolution of man all culture and technology. You read crap pulp because you want a hollywood answer to everthing,anything well edited that drops in science jargon your hooked! Grow up. If you want to understand the world read Dawkins read Darwin read Marx. Or just go watch a DVD by David Ike and be a crettin. All these theories are a infantile distraction.

The tories are cutting the hell outta the coutry and all you want is quak medicine.

DONT BUY THE SUN

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Well said RAZ, I'm the same, I never said it defo was a being of different origin, only that this is what science has revealed so far!
Also to the poster who wrote the nutshell comment, nice!

Peace

Jay

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To the DON'T BUY THE SUN guy.

You're very hostile to people with open minds, shame yours is closed. Explain to me then if you don't mind, what your theory of our existence to be? Was it the invisible there's no evidence for God so many worship?
Are you scared that we maybe right? FACT is, you can't prove any of these theory's to be right or wrong, like we can't either.
Look forward to response brother!

Peace

Jay

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Sorry but medical and scientific opinion is the child was human. DNA 100% human. The vested interest in the myth and the lies printed are due to the owner and author Mr Pye. You lot must believe in fairies elves and Santa.

Dont buy the Sun

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And Marxism is the biggest fairytale of the lot mate. Sory but your perfect socialist utopia will never happen its not in human nature. Look at the mess labour make everytime they have power by driving us to the brink of bankruptcy. And i'm not a Tory i come from 5 generations of labour voters.

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Posting false information? That's infantile as you call it friend. If you actually bothered to research the Starchild skull yourself, you'll regret posting that science has proven it to be 100% human. I'll meet you halfway and say MAYBE the first test might have revealed that, but when you check the science, each test has been more modern each time and brought up more questions!
Look, there's every chance you're right, but there's every chance you're wrong as well!
Why is it that you have totally closed your mind to the idea? Does it bother you that everything you've been told so far has been a lie?

Peace to you

Jay {Ed033's Note - According to 2011 DNA experiments, the Star Child skull is almost certainly non human i.e. Alien - see Lloyd Pye's dedicated Star child web site page at www.starchildproject.com/dna2011marchlaymans.htm }

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To Jay

I dont believe in intelligent design of any nature God or alien or any crap they are all part of the same arc. I believe in the evolution of the species, I also believe that human civilisation is more than capable of great achievements(that many attribute to Aliens with a love for working in the medium of stone) Pyrimids Aztec temples Hoover Dam etc. I am also a Marxist, I believe in workers collective ownership but I dont blame Owl worshipping Illumiati for the workers woes I blame greed and capital. Im hostile because if people base their opinions on the kinda texts that BARGIN BOOKS sell by the load then there is little hope that people will deal in rationale intellectual way. There is much that people need to educate themselves about and understand GLOBAL ECONOMICS, THE IMF, DEBT RESTRUCTURING, CAPITALIST MARKET SYSTEMS, TORY POLICY AND THE TEA PARTY. These are things I fear because I understand them to hell with rubbish lies that are published by imbeciles for idiots.
People who read pulp about SERIAL KILLERS, ALIENS, GHOSTS ETC depress me to hell.

Dont Buy the Sun

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Anyway went off on tangent there, back to the kid with the oddly shaped skull. Be damned if i know, its strange and something certainly that falls into the unknown category.

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Dear Mr Don't Buy The Sun.

You can speak your mind without being a *****. You should learn to do it. You don't believe the Star Child stuff, that is fine. Your hostility isn't.

I want to say a couple of things though :

ANyone who was not a biology geek and did id-depth learning about DNA and nucleoides, how they link etc etc, will find that research results, even their 'dumbed-down' form, very hard to understand. That's natural. I did Biology A- Level and Sports Science A- Level amongst others, and I fully understood all the DNA testing, the potential flaws, and the reasons for having to test again. I have read the articles from top to bottom and one thing that is 100% FACT is that the mother of the star child was 100% human and from a gene pool native to the area in which it was discovered.

Another FACT is that the woman whose skull was found with the Star Child was NOT it's mother.

Another FACT is that the Paternal DNA of the Star Child does not match a SINGLE organism, or any part of one so far, that has ever lived and been documented on this earth, be it bacteria, dinosaur, or human. FACT.

You strike me as being someone who refutes what he doesn't understand, which is a great shame.

I have no problem with anyone disbelieving something because they don't understand and there is no evidence, but I dislike people who sate others for their beliefs in something that can be proven, that is just insane.

I really would recommend you read as much as you can about the DNA testing of the Star Child, you have either misred or chosen to ignore some key facts from the research and you have misrepresented facts on here. That thing, whatever it is, is not 100%. It's MOTHER was. Fact. Honestly go read it and then come back but please don't just poo-poo the whole idea because it doesn't sit well with you.

Peace

Raz {Ed003's Note -

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P.s. I do agree with you Don't Buy The Sun guy on the idea of people being able to build massive structures etc. I think Apocalypto, as daft as some people called it (I fecking loved it) depicted pretty clearly how previous societies used to worship a man as a god, this is nothing new, and how that man's people were all slaves, and their whole lives, rather like miners, were put towards building these larger than life structures. I wholeheartedly believe that. I haven't read about what the Mayan thought yet, and there's this stuff about ancient technologies and then a flood etc. My question would why haven't we found any of it?

Off to do some reading.

Raz

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Sorry all, I meant to write not 100% human....

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Millionth PS. You don't believe in serial killers? Where do you come from? Are you in fact stig of the dump with no concept of anything other than your cave and book of marxism someone dropped? Come on mate everyone knows serial killers are well documented and don't leave any room for debate or conspiracy theorising. On a level, that was an odd admission.

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I know serial killers exist! My point was the vast volumes of lurid literature published about them appeals to the same lowest common donominator audience that read crap about aliens etc from pulp books written by idiots containing so called FACTS.

Dont Buy the Sun

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The DNA testing used on the skull was flawed.
real DNA tests show its 100% human with a genetic deformity. cant remember the exact deformitys name but i googled it and the pictures of kids with this condition looked exactly like the skull.
the owner of the skull will continue to say its an alien and the testing proves it as long as people listen.

MIKEY

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P.S.S. Sorry Don't Buy The Sun (please change your sign off, you wont actually stop anyone buying that rag anyway. In other news- Hillsborough debate is going to court on October 17th if you didn't already know mate), on another tangent, apart from being able to get my head around the DNA chat, I also studied Marxism. The over-riding fact is he was an idealist and not a realist and that sort of Utopia really is the hollywood ending you accuse us of wanting. What you are saying is that we effectively cease to have a world economy and that everyone simply share everything. This is where a knowledge of human genetics would do you and and would have done Marx some good, because it is against human nature NOT to be territorial, hungry for things the human brain associates with wealth, status and power. Freud would quite happily back me up. And although sometimes radical, he was no joker. What Marx wanted was understood by all, and some thought it was great. But those with his nature think that those without his nature are 'wrong' - when it is biologically and psychologically proven that humans are predisposed to character traits as primitive as wolves are. So what Marxism suggested was in actual fact a complete revision of what it means to be human, in a weird sense, and that in itself means that we will never see the world willingly collapse it's economy in favour of sharing and joint ownership.

Raz

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Thank God! Not that I believe in that. Mikey you are speaking total sense. It was a kid with an illness. All the stuff about DNA tests is from the owner of the skulls website and author of all the alien crap. Funny how gulable people will believe anything he claims.

Well done Mikey!

Dont Buy the Sun

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Mikey plz will you provide a link for us to read what you read or something similar,or about the disease? Would be wicked to see it. I am as open to being told it is not human as I am that it is only half.
DBTS : What books? I never read books on this shiz, or 'pulp' as you call it, but again examples so I can steer clear would be good. I have google for reading up on this shiz.

Mikey: why do you say DNA results were wrong?
Cheers
Raz

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I just googled it after reading it on here last night. if you avoid the official website and the lies on it you will find a few indipendant sites that say the truth. i will try find it now and post it.
also i do agree you should change ur sign off as well.
it should be dont buy the sun or daily mail.
kelvin mckenzie who was responsible for that headline now edits the daily mail. so us reds should boycott both.

MIKEY
ps eds this new page is great. {Ed007's Note - Thanks very much. I'm actually using it as a learning curve! I thought I knew it all!}

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Hutchinson-Gilford Progeria Syndrome its called.

MIKEY

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Also i 100% believe the owner of the skull knows this and is ripping off people.
there is your conspiricy.

MIKEY

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MIKEY!

So to find the whole truth and nothing but the truth, according to you. We should avoid the official site and any other site that proves the starchild has different origins than us? Why? Because you can't accept something so strange and mysterious?
Science has proved this thing is of different make-up than any other human. All the evidence PROVES this mate, so why you hating on the concept so much?

Also, as RAZ kindly asked. Can you please provide a link to show this evidence, with pics and scientific study to show that this deformity is the EXACT same as the starchild skull? Eg. Difference in thickness and durability, and the unexplained red stuff as well?

If you can, i'd be more than happy to accept the idea that maybe the whole starchild thing isn't a mystery. But until I see compelling evidence to prove otherwise, then I'll still think there's every chance this thing is special. Thing is, so will you my friend!

Peace
Jay

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Did trisha do the DNA test?

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Cheers Mikey I will have a look - like I say, I am not writing it off as being human, provided someone can prove it, that's all. So far I have seen evidence it is half n half. I'll check out that syndrome now.
Cheers
Raz

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I did post a link on here but the eds never put it on.
if it was proved by a credible scientist or organisation it was extra terrestrial i would accept it. however it wasnt.
it was proved by a credible scientist to be a hoax and that it was a human with the above deformity, or a mixture of several.
dunno why its so hard to understand. it was proved without doubt it was a hoax.
case closed. :)

MIKEY {Ed001's Note - no link came through, you need to take off the http:// bit if you included that. It is a simple expedient we use to reduce spam.}

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14 Sep 2011 16:34:14
jay you've raised a couple of points i really want to come back to but i can't at work as i can't do it the justice it deserves. I'll try and get something down quick but it'll be quick before the game

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That's cool mate, take your time. I'm always happy to have a discussion on these topics.

Peace
Jay

Ps. Class page ed's! {Ed001's Note - cheers mate, we all found ourselves discussing these things between us on our widget, so it made sense to create a site for everyone to be able to join in.}

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Right first off i'll accpet that there ae inconsistancies in the established events. i think we both recognise that.

I do feel that there is no way that the govt could have carried it out, a conspiracy like that would have needed dozens if not 100's of people involved at all levels, something surely would have leaked out by now. However i will accept that certain people are certainly shady characters and may have been acting independently providing that there is sufficient evidence to prove this.

Regards the claims that it was economic Pearl Harbor.

All through history great civilisations have gone to war for economic reasons, to control resources, gain land or slaves. Rome, the British Empire etc etc, this has happened throughout history so for the Americans to go to war for oil makes sense, a necessary resource in a strategically vital region where they have had previous.

So why in the this media driven thirst for revenge go for Afghanistan? If they just wanted a grab for Middle Eastern oil why not just go straight out for Iraq in 2001, why wait 2 years? If as you say they rigged it to put the blame on others why not rig it to look like Iraq and dive straight in there in 2001? Plenty of oil, friendly countries on the borders to provide bases, shorter strategic supply lines. From a viewpoint Iraq made a lot of sense. And from a humanitarian viewpoint he had to go and should have gone back in 1991.

But Afghanistan, ok so the perpetrators were based there, we know this based on what we have been told. But as i said if the Americans had been behind it and oil was the aim why say Afghanistan when they could have just said elesewhere unless it really was those based in Afghanistan.

Also Afghanistan is to me at least a strange choice, as far as i am aware there is no vast amount of natural resources as no one has really been able to conduct a proper survey due to the country being adogs breakfast since the 70's.

Supposedly its meant to be part of a pipeline. From where? It makes no strategic sense to build a pipeline through such hostile terrain and with all those warring factions around. Throw in hostile neighbours in Iran and the uncertainty of Pakistan and that whole area is a massive strategic risk that any competent military man would advise you to avoid.

You'd be far better concentraing on somewhere like Iraq and heading your pipeline towards the Eastern Mediterranean. Of course at some point you need to get either Jordan or Syria on side and sort out the mess thats Israel/ Palestine at least so you can get your pipeine in, but all thats surely easier than messing around in Afghanistan.

Rambling a bit so apologies. Anyway to Libya again yes the oil, but France was the driving force behind that and you can't accuse them of being pro american. As for Syria, i'm not sure there is the appetite for messing overtly in that one, not with Libya coming to a close, Iraq coming to a close and Afghanistan still dragging on. Its overstretch and its a lot of effort especially cost wise in a recession just for a pipeline.

I tend to disagree with the whole 911 was an inside job just to kickstart the American economy because from a point of view it doesn't make sense. Espwcially as it doesn't seem to have worked as the American economy over the last 3 years has been in its worst state for years.

But that doesn't mean that something funny isn't going on, certainly there are shady incidents, little pieces of the puzzle here and there. {Ed033's Note - British soldiers have been trying to take Afghanistan for the last 200 years because it is a strategic location. Also originally it was thought that there were billions of barrels of easy to get to oil in the caspian sea and they wanted to build a pipeline from the Caspian sea and across Afghanistan but then they found out there was not billions of barrels of easy to get to oil in the Caspian sea so went to Iraq first. }

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Yes Ed and the fact that British soldiers haven't accomplished it in 200 years says a lot about the operational problems in the place.

Besides reagrds Caspian sea oil, wouldn't the majority belong to Russia? Also looking at the geography and topography wouldn't it be easier, cheaper and make more sense to take a pipeline from the Caspian west rather than east? {Ed033's Note - It appears that they have disbanded the pipeline idea now anyway and decided to place a big military base in Afghanistan which will be expanded under the surface of Afghanistan. }

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"If they just wanted a grab for Middle Eastern oil why not just go straight out for Iraq in 2001, why wait 2 years? If as you say they rigged it to put the blame on others why not rig it to look like Iraq and dive straight in there in 2001? Plenty of oil, friendly countries on the borders to provide bases, shorter strategic supply lines. From a viewpoint Iraq made a lot of sense."

To me this would be a reason NOT to do what you suggest - too obvious. They had to make things harder for themselves in a way, and others, to blur the links of association between going to war and wanting the oil. Go to Afghan, reduce the motive and suspicion, but ultimately get the same result, or go Iraq, and immediately have the whole world pointing a finger saying 'this isn't about war or terrorism, this is about oil'.

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14 Sep 2011 14:51:54
What's in the money pit in nova scocha (spelling) ??

Any ideas ?

Matty b

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{Ed033's Note - Well, many people have spent large amounts of money trying to find out what's in the Nova Scotia Money Pit but no one has found anything of value such as lost knowledge or treasure. }

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Or the arc of the covenent........??

Matty b

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14 Sep 2011 14:02:07
Thanks Jay will do, (couldnt reply otherwise as my phone won't let me dammit!)

Heres a thought though: are conspiracy theories a conspiracy to hide the truth o_0

SK

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Pretty much mate. The thing with the government ( all governments ) is that they create a problem, then offer a solution. Obviously the problem they create is sold as something else, terrorism for example. They then say what they and us could all do to prevent such problems, hence us asking for their help. It's a viscious cycle, but one that we, the people, have accepted. Problem is, we all complain about the government, yet we put them there and never seriously put up much of an arguement to their goings on.
Maybe 1 day, we can drop our weapons, artillery, nuclear warheads and unite together as 1, the way it should be. We are a species of beauty and mystery, yet we continue to destroy ourselves. It saddens me that we are like this, but like I said, maybe 1 day, we'll re-connect with ourselves and our universe!

Peace

Jay
Glasgow

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Sad fact of life Jay, and perhaps biology too, is that we have an ID and an EGO and temperaments and emotion such as anger, love, power, whatever. That's why, just like almost every other biological creature out there, we are territorial, we defend things we love, and we like to get as much of what we love as possible, and we thrist for power. The world didn't get on like a house on fire before the last 20 centuries, far from it- tribe wars, religious wars, you name it, since the dawn of man we have fought each other over homes, and then wealth. I doubt it will ever change, unless we decide to actively defy the nature of our race.

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I could happily live in a world without all the material things we seem to want/need these days. As long as I had shelter and food for my family, I'd be happy. Problem is, not everyone can do without the material things in life. If we all could, the world would be a better place for it and not one person on our beautiful planet would have to starve again. We could all be equal as one and get back to basics and understanding what our part in the universe is!

Peace

Jay

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14 Sep 2011 13:01:39
How about this for a conspiratory theory inspired by the matrix but who knows?
The world is not what it looked to be, we all are dreaming it in sleep while call them god/machine/alien who have took over the world needs as a power source so we are kept alive dreaming?

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Sounds like someone took the red pill good for you lad lol.

always a red

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14 Sep 2011 12:54:35
I believe that quite a few of these conspiracies are true, but am I the only one who'd think it funny if it turned out that everything that has happened, actually did happen as it appeared and there was no secret actions etc?

Also are planes really 45 feet tall? I just cant picture them being 15 metres high.

Great work Eds :)

SK

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Maybe not all planes, but the plane THEY say hit the Pentagon stood 45ft tall. It's all documented, check it out!

Peace

Jay

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{Ed033's Note - The most likely flying thing that hit the Pentagon was a missile possibly the Granit Missile }

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They dont stand that high. on the ground they are tall however the landing gear would of been up when crashed so knock a few feet off that as much as almost half.
i work as a flight attendant so know a lot about planes. and all the pilots i know say the same thing, it was a plane.
a plane full of people and crew were murdered on that plane its a bit insensitive to say its a missile after its quite obvious a plane.
the conspiracy makes no sense anyway. why lie and say its a plane?

MIKEY

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MIKEY!

The plane they say hit the Pentagon ( 737 ) can't remember the exact type of plane, stands 45ft tall. Let's for the sake of argument say a few was taken from the plane before it hit, the hole it would leave would still be larger than 15ft!

Also, it's insensitive NOT to raise these these questions. Also, where did the supposedly indestructible engines go?

Which airline do you work for? You chat to pilots regularly then?

Peace
Jay

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14 Sep 2011 12:50:07
This site is one more reason why i don't leave my room anymore!interesting observations and topics!

Saw the moon rising documentary last night.was a bit drunk..
But if true in any small way..What the ****?
The possibilities of finding extra-terrestial life will basically destroy our present understanding and beliefs! I think it would be good..might just turn us all to be a bit more spiritual!

Rudi

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If we ever do find out 100% for sure that we're not alone in the universe, I'm sure for certain that we will have feelings never felt before. Knowing that we aren't alone in our vast universe would maybe help us stop living the way we do. We need a change, and maybe a little guidance from a more advanced civilisation would help us along the way

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If we found out 100% someone would say it was a conspiricy!

Ash

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Thats the whole point the government dont want us to know there are more advanced xcilvilizations or change the way we live as they would loose power and power= money we are all being told ow to live and working for someone elses dream

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It's not really about the government not wanting to let you know. The effects of finding out that there was a superior race to humans would cause pandemonium and a breakdown in society. You just have to look at anthroplogical studies concerning places who have come into contact with superior societies. For example, when Inuits were first found by more advanced people, it basically led to mass alcoholism and suicide! {Ed033's Note - This is why it appears all the Governments signed up to non disclosure of extraterrestrial life as the Brookings Report said that if we looked for Extra terrestrial life, we would almost certainly find evidence of extra terrestrial life and that may cause problems in society due to the knowledge of ET's as stated above. }

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Rudi that depends on what 'our current beliefs' are? I believe in extra terrestrial stuff. I am not religious, but respect those that are, and I believe in extents of spirituality.

But I am also not so close-minded that I feel there is no life anywhere else, that is such a ridiculous proposition I don't know how, in this day and age, anyone can honestly just disregard the concept of their being life elsewhere.

Unless you let your religion dictate your beliefs, which some do. But religion does not make science wrong. As Jay said befre, imagine where we would be now if science had been allowed to progress hundreds of years ago, if not for religion (which dictated acceptability in society) blocking it's progression. We would have had electricity over a thousand years ago probably. Imagine where we'd be now.

Err... sorry, I was rambling. My point is would it really destroy our present understandings of anything? I don't think so. You ask a kid of every religion/race if they understand the concept of ET stuff or aliens or whatever, they'd probably say yes.

If you proved that they existed, I doubt they'd change their beliefs - I don't know any beliefs that preach that we are the only planet with life in the entire universe.

I really hope it turns out the Star Child skull is genuinely alien, and if they find evidence of technologies from previous eras of man that far outweigh what we call technology, well I'd die a very happy bunny.

Raz

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I think that if we do find life out in he universe, it will be non-intelligent. We are unlikely to find any life that will have advanced technology and if they do exist then they'd find us instead

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14 Sep 2011 12:30:18
I have been an avid reader of the football sites (especially the Liverpool one) and i have to say ed's you have out done yourselves in creating yet another fantastic site. Seriously well done.

Followed a link posted by by one of the editors called moon rising, very interesting worth anyone watching. With all the planets out there and all the stars there must be life its almost impossible for there not to be.

Imagine where scientists would be now if religion had not held them back for all those years.

always a red

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14 Sep 2011 12:23:46
cheers jay however if the plan was to grow the economy then ten years on it has sort of not worked has it?

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I almost agree, but the USA are the most powerful and nuclear wealthy country on the planet. but look at what they and us are doing now, The whole Libya fiasco. Now it looks like us and the USA will be going to Syria soon as well, it's only a matter of time. If not, they'll find somewhere else ( with oil ) for us to invade and play the humanitarian card again!
Anyway, what I said is only my personal opinion. I understand I could be 100% wrong, but like I've said, when you do the research, scrutinise the evidence on your own, then you can be happy with whatever theory/hypothesis you've came up with yourself. Watch The New American Century, gives you a few avenues to check out and shows just how horrible the US government really is.
On another note, I find it very strange that when the US went to Iraq, they destroyed ancient library's and ancient tombs connected to the Anunnaki. Probably because it's pretty much proven that the bible is nothing else but a very poor and cheap copy of the Sumerian clay tablets. The yanks wouldn't like to shown that there beliefs are stolen from a much richer, more intelligent culture than themselves.

Jay

Ps. Just want to say again, anything I put on this page is only my personal opinion, and I welcome anyone to challenge any theory that I've put up after they have checked the info and evidence thats out there for all to see.

Peace

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14 Sep 2011 12:12:23
is it possible that our cell phones are used as a tracking device to moniter our activities all around the world by some superpower?

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Maybe. Get a pay as you go and get everyone to save you as a coded name if you are worried about this..... bit like Bourne Identity...

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P.s. in a nutshell if you have to do anything that gives your name and address away, then you can be tracked. People think hotmail is so secure, but think about this - there is a database full of info like your password etc. When you forget it, or your log in, someone can access all that information as the means in which you can save it and give it in the first place that it may be stored were created by us in the first place. The only reason you have to log into hotmail, open an email for your orange account or whatever else, click on the link and then add a new password, instead of them telling you, is because they'd be found out. (And obviously the reason why you have to set up a new hotmail account if you forget your password is because they don't want to blow their own cover.) When you change your pin on your bank card - that number is generated somewhere. So it is stored. If you then go to a cash machine and change it, they still know - they have to - 1) because all the button presses are logged, and 2) because how would htey know if it is correct or not if there was not a frame of reference? By they I mean the computer software. And 100% of what happens in a computer software program can be traced. So if someone wanted to hack into a cash machine and steal all the bank details and pin codes, they could, they'd just have to know how.

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14 Sep 2011 11:48:41
I would like to advise people new to all of this to learn a bit of real history
start with Howard Zinn, he iwas not so much conspiracy , but a superb
historian who included the really important stories the establishment always
omitted.
For documentaries watch Human recources by Scott Noble
O 9/11 (Italan doc ,very thorough )
A history of oil by Rob Newman (funny and very informative )
If you are going to watch Alex Jones be a bit weary , although he's right on
about 70% of his topics (though a lot is plageurised and he likes to claim
credit) he is very insular and knows /understands little of the world beyond u.s borders
JR
p.s for a good ufo doc watch the day before disclosure
enjoy

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14 Sep 2011 11:29:33
if indeed 9/11 was not actually what it appeared to be then what was it?

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It's not as simple as that really. USA's economy had taken a dive, and there wasn't really much they could do about it. Another loan from the world bank was more than likely an option, but with the debt they were in, the American people probably wouldn't have stood for another loan that they, the taxpayers, would end up footing the bill. So, the only option really left was to get their hands on some oil. The only way this would be possible, would be to invade a country which is rich in oil. Now they couldn't just invade without any reason, so they had to come up with some reason for taking troops across seas for a so called war. The USA had plenty of warning of an attack identical to what actually happened on 9/11, way before it did. But with them ( THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY - RUMSFELD, CHENEY, WOLFOWITZ and another guy, can't remember his name ) stating in their own documentation, that for the American economy to get back on top and out of it's slump, they'd need a new PEARL HARBOUR. so all they had to do was play the waiting game, because it had been on the cards for years that this attack was immanent. After the attack, obviously the American people wanted revenge, which we can all understand as it was a very disgusting attack on innocent people. I do think that demolition explosives were planted to help take the towers down. But I can't say who put them there as I would be guessing. Anyway, now American had a reason to invade country's rich with oil, but the media had it, the USA and uk had went on a mission to capture any weapons of mass destruction, and to capture those responsible for the attacks. Now with everything in place, the people got behind their troops as they were sold the false story of revenge for those lost. So we can't blame the yanks for getting behind their government, necause from their point of view, why would they lie? If you look at where all the military camps are in country's that we and the USA have invaded, every one of them is along an oil pipe line. Pretty peculiar when you see it.
The short story is, 9/11 was a false flag event, in order for the yanks to invade and STEAL other country's oil for their own gain and financial wealth. That's what I make from everything that happened that day to where we are now.
Look at Libya as well, oil rich and yet again, the uk and USA find a reason to go for humantarian reasons. If that really is the story, humanitarian reasons, then we should be in country's where people and their children are starving to death and dying of illness that the western world can take a pill for!

Jay
Glasgow

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Jay, I do not refute your theory at all, I find it very interesting. the only I would like to know is whether there is any evidence of the oil being taken? Shipping? Tapping the pipes? Lorries photographed?
Cheers,
Raz

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Exactly mate - I don't see the US/UK governments going to places like Uganda, or the Congo, in such numbers when life in those countries is shocking and the suffering of the people. I guess there's no oil in those places, so no interest in 'helping' them out......

RED_SKY

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Raz, I understand your query.
It's not a case of just taking it. When NATO get involved, usually with us and the USA at the forefront, once we get these country's and restore order and democracy ( what the government like to say ), when a new government/leader is put in place. We and the USA draft up what we feel is a fair contract on the profits of the oil. Because once order has been restored, NATO/UK/USA pick who will be running the country, so whoever makes the best offer of finance from oil production/sale, usually gets the position of power. Just look at all the military camps along the oil pipe lines in the country's where we have troops. Shocking, but happening!

Peace

Jay

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Red sky, spot on mate. No oil, no humanitarian missions! I for 1 would be proud of my country if we could make a real difference in places that need it, not helping out corporate big wigs.

Peace

Jay

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It's really interesting, and I completely see where you're coming from Jay. I was just curious about the link between having forces based along a pipeline and how they get their hands on it. Said differently - why do they need to locate camps etc along pipe line if they are not stealing it? If they are offering aid and unsurprisingly drawing up contracts of repayment in oil terms, why do they need to locate themselves anywhere near pipeline? Is it to defend that which will eventually provide them with an income?

Cheers.
Raz

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Just like you said RAZ, they are based along the pipeline to protect it. It's gonna be an asset, so they can't have anything happening to it!
It's a shame that are no humanitarian missions ( government wise anyway ) that really make a differnce on the lives of our unfortunate brothers and sisters that live a life of he'll everyday. There are a lot of people out there who do go to thaws places and do what they can to help, I hold these people on the highest respect!

Peace

Jay

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{Ed033's Note - 911 allowed certain powerful groups to forward their agenda at an accelerated pace except it come at a cost and woke up millions of people world wide. }

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14 Sep 2011 11:07:42
there are many conspiracies, the biggest one has be the government hiding the fact there is aliens. because the aliens have told the government somthing and that is the world will end on the 21-12-2012 @11am. the reason they wont tell us is because they cant save us all and only have a few spaceships for the illuminati & the gang !!. i think we should all gatecrash area 51!!. what could they do with a milliuon people charging them down!

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14 Sep 2011 08:08:45
so whats the truth with roswell.

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{Ed033's Note - There was definitely a crash most likely of some type of craft but we don't know whether it was humans in a black technology craft or an extra terrestrial craft }

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14 Sep 2011 02:41:59
many of the worlds regllions have a lot of truth in them , but maybe its been staring us in the face of were we come form , when it says in the christain bible - let us make man in our image , that could mean we have been upgraded from a more primite state into modern man or just offspring from human form from another solar system , who came here and seeded the planet, heck all this stuff is a bit deep isnt it........lfc

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Why does god say, our image, our likeness? That to me suggests that there is more than 1 god eg. The Anunnaki theory, as it's well noticed that most stories from the bible are taken from the Sumerian clay tablets. Worth a look into if you've never heard of them before. The story of their creation of man is in the clay tablets as well, the first creation of man they were happy with was named Adama, and there's the story of a place called eedin, which is still there today in modern day Iraq ( ancient Sumeria )

Jay

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14 Sep 2011 02:34:24
Do you the present governments all around the world play around with feelings and naivety about religion for their own gains?

I think yes. I also think majority of the world's population do not understand the true meaning of religion. I for one thing all religion were based so called pagan beliefs where you worship and pray to nature and mother earth than human forms!its the corrupt human mind that has destroyed this belief.

the present religion in world just cannot hold true with so many people!Its like a company with certain rules set up 100 years ago for 500 employees..the same rules and structure cannot hold true now with the employees increasing proportionally in size!

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14 Sep 2011 00:23:31
to jay first off respect for putting so much time into researching something like that. I will have a look when i have more free time. I do agree that there are a few unexplained things that happened that day, but as you say we will most likely never know. Regards missing camera footage we're most likely never going to see it so can't say a lot. Personally the only thing that happened different that day is regards the fourth plane that crashed in the fields. I do think that one was shot down to prevent further damage but they didn't have the will to admit to giving an order to kill american citizens. So instead we have the whole they fought back as it looks better to americans that at least some went down fighting. Regards the rest i don't think, at least regards new york, it was anything different to what we saw. Any kind of government level conspiracy would be too large, something would come out, look at watergate for example. It couldn't be kept as a secret for long and would be the worst scandel ever. Also looking at the footage from when bush was informed, he wasn't in on it if it was planned. He's not considered intelligent enough to be that good am actor, he was genuinely surprised. I do think people should question things and find the answers to the questions. But i do think too many people would rather cling to a conspiracy because they cannot accept the truth. Or what i believe is the truth. Some of the conspiracy stuff does make you think twice. And some of it is just crazy. Its sifting through it i guess. Maybe something will turn up, like the 911 version of the zapruder film. Anyway keep digging you never know buddy. {Ed033's Note - The 911 version of the zapruder film is all over youtube except there are loads of 911 versions of the zapruder film. There are loads of videos that never got onto the main stream media because it shows a different perspective than the fake official story of what happened with the Twin Towers. How do you demolish 3 Skyscrapers with 2 planes? because that is what happened. }

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Thanks for the kind words, maybe 1 day the truth will come out. I agree with you about bush! Far too dumb to be in on it. I personally think that THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY ( rumsfeld, cheney, wolfowitz and 1 other person ) have very dirty hands from that day. Remember the day before 9/11, Rumsfeld was being questioned about 2.3 trillion dollars that was unaccounted for! Also, there is documentation from The New American Century themselves saying that in order for America to gain more economic growth, they'd need a new pearl harbour.  Anyway, remember to believe only what makes sense in your own mind, regardless of what anyone else thinks, we have something special in that we can think and ponder, and to let someone else tell you how to think, would be a waste of that gift.

Peace

Jay

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There is alotof unexplained happenings from that day but to be fair guys the us government have openly admitted, dick cheny himself no less, that the order to shoot planes down was in effect before united93 went down. When it dropped from radar all asumptions were that it had been shot down. most sensible americans would understand if they had. dont take away a few peoples last acts of heroism. cnt believe i used the term sensible americans! ah well. loki99

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Well it would make sense for them to defend themselves after setting up the attack in the first place. What would have been weird is if they saw the plane coming and allowed it to detonate/crash, no? Of course they shot it down.

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14 Sep 2011 00:09:49
Here's another one for you, Who built the Pyramids? Don't sit their and tell me it was the Egyptians cos thats a load of bull.
1. the job was too big, although I suppose with enough people it could be done, but what makes it impossible in my eye's is......
2. The positioning of them. They don't just resemble the stars positions in the sky, they are spot on to the last Centimeter to do this would take math of the very highest standard. Scientists say we would struggle to do this today......Comments:
Great site ed's...

Sooty

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With the great pyramid , the real question is what was it used for, some say some sort of weapon , others a power plant , but one thing is for sure it was not a burial tomb , theres a bigger meaning , also interesting its at the centre of our landmass map of the world , whoever builded it was some smart bicklayer .........lfc

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Watch ancient aliens you will understand after. the aliens built the pyramids!!!!!!111

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What is this ancient aliens thing? Where can I find it? Cheers,
Raz

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The history channel, usually Sunday evenings. If not, history channel website or YouTube. Ancient aliens might have it's own page, not sure though. Do some googling. Lol

Jay

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You can find them online at ://wakeup-world.com/ just put http before the link

MickQ {Ed001's Note - I will get this link placed up on the links page ASAP as well.}

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Thanks all!

Raz

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Look this guy up on youtube...TheZetaReticulan..its a season ahead of the uk history channel,

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