Conspiracy Talk Archive September 15 2011

 

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15 Sep 2011 22:59:51
What is the illuminati and are they good or evil

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The best thing you can do is google it my friend.

Raz

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"Lucifer is very much alive, he is our god, and we are his chosen people" - Rothchild, founding father of Illuminati.

Hope that gives you a clue...

Raz

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Lucifer had sex with eve , thats were cain came from , all this means, is theres two bloodlines runing the course of history , the good seed and the bad seed , and this is what the bible thing is all about , or and so called angles - higher beings had sex with earth women , thats why the flood happened as only noah and his family were perect in their generations- meaning their blood/ dna , if anyone does not belive that, its all in the bible , not saying its true but thats its meaning.........lfc

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The jesuits created the illuminati , just look into their history , everyone thinking oh its the illuminati devil worshipers that does all the harm - well it takes the heat of the real powers that be, money and power - they can be used for good or bad sadly these people use them for evil,to hold on to it and expand it ,starting wars , piting one country against another , they are the evil and dont listen to everything you hear , as a lot of this new age movement stuff and keeping real history from people are done by them.......lfc

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The illuminati are not devils.

They are evil people who control the world for thier own gain. They are inbreds and most of them are psycho's through in breeding

The illuminati consider people as their stock to be used for their purpose.

The illuminati use various means to control the population such as media, chemical spraying over the country, increase in the use of prescription drugs, which helps to keep the general pop under control

The illuminati are very powerful and control the world, presidents, prime minsiters etc. do what they are told to do by the illuminati

Look at the velvet revolutions that took place accross eastern europe these were orchestrated by the illuminati stirring up s**t in these countries

The price of a car, a loaf of bread, etc, are all controlled by the illuminati to a greater extent, okay some shops sell cheaper than others but by and large the illuminati controls the prices of goods in countries

The illuminati are now seeking to reduce world population as we their stock has become overgrown

Many diseases have been invented by the illuminati and more are sure to follow do a little bit of research

Life is not all about Andy Carroll's failure in front of goal or Rooneys new hair failure to understand how the world operates will lead to problems in your life

the illuminati are real of course any organization such as the illuminati want people to believe that they are not real

When a worm enters the human body it does so without making much of a fuss the goal of the worm is the breed and eat, the worm does not want to make its presence known, much like the illuminati it stays in the background the hidden hand guiding the world for its own benefit.

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I feel i must stick up for andy carroll , its the bias mu media behind this , people should stop picking on the lad..........lfc

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LFC - is Noah's Arc stuff about the Atlantis flooding then? It is common conception that the stories in the bible are metaphors that translate what previous ages of man have documented in their histories - if the purpose of the flood was to eradicate a bloodline leaving only the good seed, does this not tie in with how Atlantis wiped everyone out but now we're here?

What apparent historical event do you think Noah's Arc ties in with mate?

Raz

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Yes i see where your coming from on the atlantis stuff raz, to be truefull i find i have to look at all the different theorys , and theres so many of them , but theres some stuff more interesting than others , people make things up to sell books , or when you check the best you can on a subject , some of these theorys are just wrong , but its very interesting -we dont know why we are here , who put us here , were we go if theres a soul , i just find it interesting , but to me the real serect and wonder is just being alive and i feel more comfordable than ever in saying i dont know half of what its about , maybe we arent meant to know everything..........lfc

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Yeah mate that is what is so frustrating, are we ever going to know the truth? I am a firm believer that we are biological product ONLY, and that we came about through evolution, biol, chem and physics. According to the Illuminati, we were created by a God, and that God is actually Satan, who isn't that bad, and his first aim was to make us believe that there is no god. To do this, they invented the theories of evolution. I.e. they played Darwin. It really is mad. I do not know, even if it WERE true, that I could ever accept that!
Raz

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P.S. LFC- I was only asking because I haven't done any reading on Atlantis or Aztecs or this so-called alien technology or any of that stuff at al, so basically I was asking you because I am lazy haha.

Raz

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15 Sep 2011 22:52:29
The biggest lie that's being told is that if you do as we say ,you will be rewarded with a trip to heaven and meet the all powerful maker and ruler of all things,cos that's what he told us to tell you,and while I'm at it,he also said give me your money,cheers,the invisible man in the sky will thank you when you are dead.

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15 Sep 2011 22:47:25
so how many owl shaped buildings can you name?

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Therre are hundreds of Owl shaped buildings all over the world do some research!

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Owl shaped buildings are not owl shaped Completely

There may de a dome shape at the top that looks like an owl and they are not consined to government buldings shopping centres, banks etc can have the owl

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Sorry but I look at the Washington building that is apparently owl-shaped and I think that is the daftest most tenuous link to a shape I have ever seen.

Raz

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15 Sep 2011 22:09:14
i think there is a uefa consiracy to help barcalona lets look at the facts
2009 barcelona v chelsea. 3 stonewall penaties were denied by the referee

2011 barcelona v arsenal van persie sent off for no good reason
barcelona v madrid pepe sent off for a good tackle

i think all these incidents prove uefa favour barcalona and help them

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15 Sep 2011 22:08:12
Just watched moon rising after some posters mentioned it and I'm shocked!
WTF is going on? So now my mum is a liar because these guys never mentioned that the moon is made of cheese.
Thanks moon men, I have now divorced my mother.

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15 Sep 2011 20:54:03
Im led to believe that last years farce when Wayne Rooney wanted to leave Manchester United because of a "lack of ambition" was a well orchestrated plan to get the Glazers family to put their hands in their pockets.Ive been told that Sir Alex Ferguson chose Rooney for the plan knowing he was the only member of the squad that would cause maximum exposure and ultimately be thought of highly enough to be forgiven by the fans.
Lets face it how many other players past and present would have lasted the season after such an outburst,good players like Beckham,Stam,Keane,Ince and Van nistelrooy have all been shown the door for relatively minor incidents compared to the brilliantly well orchestrated media drama that was Rooneys rant?

Don't shoot the messenger...

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I think its because rooney is a money grabbing cheating **** and fergeson knew without rooney man u is nothing

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Hardly a conspiracy theory!

Conspiracy theories are about important issues not bloody wayne rooney

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This conspiracy doesn't make sense. If this plan had come off - as we all assume - then why wasn't the money spent in the January transfer market rather than waiting until the summer. I also find it hard to believe would worsen his already terrible reputation by pretending to hand in a transfer request.

I don't see it at all, but if it helps United fans sleep well at night then go ahead.

Martin

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Could be truth in this conspiracy because
1. most wont believe it is possible
2. it is turning out to be successful in money being spent and better team than last year

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15 Sep 2011 19:51:55
After watching some 'The Arrivals' stuff, I decided to google about Israel and Starbucks. Interesting reading if nothing else. I found this article, whilst condemning the notion of a Starbucks-Israel conspiracy, was as flawed in denying it as others are in suggesting it.

Check it:

www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/6103/

Raz

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15 Sep 2011 19:22:58
One problem i have with conspiracies is that there are so many of them.

For example:

UFO's

1. its aliens.

2. Its secret govt/ military black ops based on recovered and retro-invented alien technology. (roswell etc)

3. Its secret govt/ military black ops based on captured nazi tech from the war.

4. its the nazi's themselves from their secret antartic/ moonbase.

They all can't be right so which is it?

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Ummm, why can't they all be right. Each one of those scenarios could produce UFOs.

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I can't think of any reasons why can't it be all of the above?

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A general mix of 1,2,3 never 4

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Each one could yes, thats why i listed all 4, but all 4 in tandem over the last 50 or so years is stretching credulity. 1 or a combination of 2 yes but all 4? No way.

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There is no reason why, if Nazis still exist, it can't be a mix of all 4. You are just saying it can't be because that is your assumption. The general public has as much evidence to suggest it is secret Nazis as it is alien life, and there is nothing that suggests it can't be a combo or all 4. We just don't know maaaaan.

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I find any of them on there own to be very plausible and as i said a combination of 2 them is possible, but all 4 of them? It just becomes more unlikely the more variables you add to it.

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Its this simple Secret Societies run the world.

It matter not who runs your government Tory or Labour party

Those who control your currency Control your destiny


If you look at some buildings you will see the shape of an owl this is the mark of the illuminati the watchful eye


Bink 182 Sold out to the illuminati for fame


Most world leaders are just puppets of the illuminati,

Underestimate the one world government at your peril

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I tend to disbelieve Nazi ones. I don't know why, but I do. Maybe I feel that stuff could simply never get enough backing to have it's own secret space and supertech programme. Alien or govt seems more plausible to me - if the Nazis were doing it why wouldn't a govt org be doing it?
Raz

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New Nazi's, Aliens, Snake people etc, are all a load of rubbish.

The real illuminati are inbred rich people who control the drug companies, banks, insurance companies, etc. in others words these people control wealth.

The prime minister is totally irrelevant!

There are only six countries in the world where the illuminati don't control the banking system?

Can you identify them, here's a clue they need a regime change!

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Er.... I don't think anyone is saying that Nazi, snake men or aliens are the illuminati mate....

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15 Sep 2011 16:43:25
isnt it funny that George Bush snr did the New World Speech att 1992 september 11 ?

Ghandi Floss

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15 Sep 2011 15:24:31
Anyone believe in this Illuminati stuff, how all the top celebreties are involved, their symbol being the Triangle etc. Supposedly, Nathan Ecclestone, the Liverpool (reserve team player) facing disciplinary action for something he posted and he referred to the Illuminati?

Would love to hear everyones opinion?

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Yes and ppl from the moon dressed as cows come down from the sky at night and read us bedtime stories in our sleep!..lol
What more evidence do ppl need to believe that some ppl in this world kill other ppl in atrocious ways and that 9/11 was the work of Terroists.. simples!
ItsNotRocketScience

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Nathan ecclestone facing disciplinary for posting about 9/11 but why would he mention the illuminati?

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Nobody's refuting that fact It'sNotRocketScience - but who are the terrorists?

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Wow! If you want to believe every piece of information that the news feeds you then that is on your watch ItsNotRocketScience. I am a scientist and look for evidence, motive, facts. There were a great many things about the american administration (bush snr, chaney, rumsfeld, rice etc.) at the time that didn't add up in terms of their reactions and their private financial actions in the months leading up to and after the "attacks". But of course it is always easier for folk like you to dismiss it as conspiracy theory rather than actually sit down and read about the facts before mouthing off. Do some research! s1280

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I am currently watching all 45 episodes of the Wake Up Projects's series called The Arrivals. It really is MAD. I do not believe in the religious side of it all- that an antichrist will arrive and create Zion, but I do definitely believe there is clear cut messaging in the media and actually all around the world. The fact that there are people out there who do believe the antichrist is coming and in this NWO stuff is scary but I do not doubt they exist, control the media, governments, politics, or at least secretly pull strings there. There is too much evidence stacked up to back that up to simply ignore it.

Perhaps I am taking this antichrist stuff too literally and that it will in fact be a human who takes over Arabia (Zion). It has been decreed that there will be many imitators before christ comes again, so according what you believe and what the Freemasons and Illuminati are actually up to, it is debatable as to whether the antichrist will be the first person who attempts to rule Zion, or whether the antichrist will come and usurp that person.

It is all nuts tbh, and pretty disturbing.

Raz

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The anti-Christ is already here he has a big red nose and slurs in press conferences.....i can't say his name there watchin me.......
RED72

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The non belivers of the ?OWG will suffer with their stupidity, hey we all can't be smart, right?

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The current Illuminati are no longer cemented in religion

They have one desire to control wealth and how they go about that is irrelevant to them

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15 Sep 2011 15:05:21
i notice on the picbar at the top of the page mars is on there. Whats peoples views on mars? Was it disproved? Is it real? Fake? Trick of the light?

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Do people think its habitable?

Azza

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Course it's habitable haven't you seen DOOM?

Raz

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Sorry Azza couldn't resist.

I don't think there's argument that Mars is fake at all.

Whether or not it is a solid 'land mass' is another question.

Raz

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Haha nice one Raz!

Azza

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Apparently there is water on the moon and the canyons open and close which is impossible seeing that their the same size as the grand canyon plus the face on which has teeth and pupils so its not a trick of the light and also 3 pyramids which match up to the egyptian pyramids in size and positioning so if it is uninhabited now it was not always like that


MJ

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It may have been habitable once, i did read a book that suggested that it was before a massive catacylsm stripped the atmosphere away.

I take it then that you think the so called face and pyramids is just a trick of the light then?

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Mars was once like Earth and one day Earth will be like Mars. Mars became barren as a result of radiation from the sun and solar flares pelting the surface for thousands of years, the reason the radiation was let through was due to Mars' weak magnetic field which is now close to non-existent.

The 'face' found on Mars is nothing more than a small cluster of hills photographed when the sun was shining on them at a funny angle. It is human nature to identify faces or shapes in everyday ordinary objects or, in this case, land formations. Not some sort of monument built by ancient creatures.

Martin

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Martin, if Mars was inhabited once, why couldn't there be structures on it?

Raz

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I actually said that Mars was once like Earth in that it could sustain life up to a certain level - not anything capable of building monuments. Mars was never inhabited as such; it definitely harboured organisms and it's possible it may have bore some primitive creatures capable of thought and some basic animalistic instincts, but it's life as a prospering utopia was far to short for any intelligent beings to come along and take a stranglehold on it's environment as humans have done. It took humans billions of years to evolve from the sea-dwelling creatures of pre-historic times to the sophisticated bipedal creatures of today - it is likely Mars would have only had a few hundred million years, if that. The fact that there was far less oxygen in the atmosphere and water clearly wasn't plentiful would have limited the size of any creatures that may have once lived there.

We should find out within the next 20 years or so whether there are any fossils on Mars and, if so, how big they are and if they were capable of anything notable. I assure you, though, there are no unnatural structures on Mars at the moment, as much as I would love for something to be/have been up there.

Martin

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Yeah to be fair I am with you on that Martin.

Raz

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15 Sep 2011 14:03:47
so we're onto the role of religion and mythology. Way i look at it is things happened that couldn't be explained so they made up stuff like angels and the power of god. People take the bible too literally.

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Spot on!

Jay

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Religion should be about spirituality not a money spinner for certain sects plus if religion was perfect no idiots would war against others...

MJ

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Thanks Jay, just seems its likes these ancient religions. scribes whatever tried to communicate what they knew in terms that they understand and thousands of years later people take what they said too literal rather than looking at what they said.

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15 Sep 2011 13:20:22
Saw a post about Nova Scotia on here, went to do some research last night....

What do people think?

I think it is a hiding to nothing if I am honest.

Raz

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That is something that is very interesting, there's a new dig happening isn't there? would love them to finally find out what it holds.

Ash

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But why would someone/some people go to so much effort to put in so many layers of different materials, flood tunnels and fake beaches! You don't do that just for fun!

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Yeah that was me mate. Very odd though why build something like that ? Must be somet down there.

Also check out project bluebeam..... Now that's very odd.....a new world order or something else ??
I could go in I love this kinda s**t !!

Matty b

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Ash- I didn't know they're set to dig again, oh my daze. Surely a geometric survey of the area, along with an in-depth report on the neighbouring geometry, would give people more answers? Thing is, theyhave dug to reasonable depths in the past and found nothing. Then it has flooded. How does someone bury anything deeper than they've dug in the first place? Makes no sense. It is not as though the water table has risen by 30m in the last 130 years or so... I think this is something that has just snowballed and snowballed and that in itself has sparked an urge for people to check it out. I would love for there to be some magic behind it, by that I mean treasure, but I can't see it happening. I did only read wiki to b fair, so I will do bit more later and try different sources.

This site is bad for my time management :-)

Raz

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I think it was bulit by the french navy to hide riches during troubles.
experts have said it does resemble french design of the time.
either that or a pirates stash.
would be great if they wound a load of treasure down there but would be just as great to solve the mystery

MIKEY

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Some think the nazis built it and hid stuff down there. I haven't a clue but always liked the idea.

Any if you checked out project bluebeam ??

Matty b

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No mate I will investigate!

Raz

Ps. Eds- have you any idea why my exclamation marks do not work? Is it a google chrome thing? Here's one : !

Peace. {Ed001's Note - I have no idea, the browser you are using shouldn't affect it.}

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Wow, both of those appeared fine. I have been using the footy rumours pages for a few months and they never appear...

Raz

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It was first found in 1800 how could it have been the Nazis?

Ash

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Ash, good point.

I do not think it was built, I think it is geographical, the whole area is covered in caves and sink holes. That said, it is a good smokescreen. Maybe I should stop commenting, I need to read more!

Raz

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No idea mate. That's why I enjoy reading this stuff. maybe it was aliens or the American goverment......its usually down to one if them two.....
Matty b

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Has to have been built as there were wooden platforms, coconut fibre found, and the tunnels to let in the water from the sea. Could just be a very old practicle joke, or something really exciting, I'm sure we will find out one day.

Ash

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I personally believe that there is no way that it is naturally made. The fact that there are layers at different depths of different materials lead me to believe that it was human made.

Also to the person who said, how can you hide something deeper than you can dig! Surely they would have dug the main hole first, hid whatever is down there, filled the hole back up again and then created the flood tunnels to stop anyone from getting down to whatever is there.

TB

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Cunnninnnnnnggg....

Raz

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Yeah but TB they stopped ANYONE including themselves getting down there if they did build flood tunnels.

Raz

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'They' must have done it so nobody (including themselves) would ever be able to get to it then.

All im saying is, that there has to be something there because no-one would go to such an effort just for a practical joke or something like that.

What's down there is the big mystery and hopefully they will find out with all the new activity currently being undertaken at the site.

TB

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The flood tunnels could be capped off at the end that the water is if you know where they all are etc.

Ash

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15 Sep 2011 12:12:57
MIKEY

Cheers for the heads up on Progeria, I am reading it now.
It is interesting but I have loads to read yet. First thing I have noticed is that it talks of nucleotide mutation, but Star Child nucleotides are different in location and do not register as human at all. So I want to find out more about this.

Secondly, Progeria is categorically associated with fragile bones. Again I am yet to read a detailed bone comparison to that of Progeria sufferers and a normal person. However, the Star Child skull in thinner yet several times DENSER than human bone. I would be interested to hear bout the presence of fibres to, in Progeria sufferers - I will not be surprised if they have never been found.

At this stage my finalpoint would be, after looking at Progeria images, that the facial structure of a Pregeria sufferer is different to the Star Child. Not only do Progeria sufferers have a pear-shaped head, they do no have a flat-backed head like the Star Child. Also, the star-child's eye sockets are virtually beside the nasal cavity, and although not hugely different, the Progeria kids' eyes are still considerably higher/above the line of the nasal cavity compared with the Star Child.

This is all really interesting stuff. Gonna read more about the genetics. I want to find out mroe about the DNA changes in Progeria, but mroe to the point, other references to the DNA of the Star child - no amount of mutation will provide tests that show the father of a Progeria sufferer to be non-human...

Raz

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Raz

nice m8!

Jay

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It might of had several mutations mate.
not unheard of.
does say somewere the original DNA tests were flawed and real tests show its 100% human with no doubt.
but you have google for that.
i have grown bored with the starchild skull. although it was good researching it.

MIKEY

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15 Sep 2011 11:21:02
has anyone ever thought that aswell as aliens there could be some planet galaxies away that is exactly like earth with human life and everything?

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Yeah I have always wondered about this haha.

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You'd have to think its possible, we're here arent we. so there's just as much chance as life, even like ours somewhere out there.

Jay

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15 Sep 2011 11:13:51
Did you know that the ?hijackers used boxcutters? story came from a
solitary source ? And that source was a u.s senator who claimed he
received two calls from his wife telling him from the plane ? When checked
out it was proven there were no calls made or received between him and
his (estranged ?) missus. Though this may seem a ?small?fact compared to
wt7 and the missing pentagon plane ,it is one of many ignored by the press
to move along this lie.
I don't believe the press are knowingly (i mean 99%) covering up for the real
culprits ,they are just cherry picked for being spineless and sub servant.
JR

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Oh yeah your right! It couldnt have been a group of fanatics it has to be a massive conspiracy were if you believe the crap theories the evil government makes loads of small mistakes that really clever loaners work out! Cant you understand that loads of people hate AMERICA want to destroy AMERICA,some because they are fanatic nut jobs others because of the massive suffering the US inflicts on many people throughout the world. Americans often love the conspiracy because they cant accept the truth that these foreigners often from poor countries that they have never heard of hate them despise them and are ready to die for that belief. You think it was the US government an inside job?
Do you not think that there are people willing to wage war on the US,you think it was about oil or economics do you deny the motives of the many movements that hate America do these movements not exist?

Dont Buy the Sun

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Don't buy the sun - 1) Bush said in a interview how he was watching the news and saw a plane fly into the first building......their was no LIVE couverage of this.
Did you know that everysingle Shop camera around the area was taken away?

Azza

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Without 9/11 they couldn't have a war in Iraq! New world order was born on september 11th.

Azza

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Iraq war = weapons of mass destruction lie (or the son finishing off the dads bussiness!)
Afgan war = 9/11

Not sure why people associate iraq and 9/11?

Ash

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Ash - I think it is to do with the idea that 9/11 was a smokescreen to give the USA the green light to go to Iraq for oil. However, that was have been so obvious that the USA went to was with Afghan first/ at the same time, then turned towards Iraq afterwards, or something, otherwise going straight to Iraq would have been too obvious and would have caused fingers to be pointed - that USA aren't there for war but for oil.

May not be true but I think that's the idea.

Raz

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I'm not buying the smokescreen theory, not saying your wrong just that it doesn't make sense to me. Saddam had spent most of the 90's sailing close to the wind with regards to breaching UN resolutions, Clinton was close a cpouple of times to going back in. In 2001 he was clearly in breach of the 1991 resolutions its just the the UN is so corrupt and spineless they didn't have the balls to enforce them.

Here's a conspiracy for you, just because we didn't find any wmd doesn't mean something never existed in the first place. We know for a fact he had gas and wasn't afraid of using it. Look at the cocktail of drugs the troops were given back in 1991.

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15 Sep 2011 11:00:05
For years and years Neil Armstrong refused to be interviewed. Now you'd think that the very first man on the moon would have talked to everyone about his experience. That didn't happen.
On the 25th anniversary Apollo 11 on the 20th of July 1994, Neil came out with the most incredible speech ever. 1st thing he said '' to you we say, we've only completed a begining, we leave you much that is undone. Their are great ideas undiscovered, breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truths protective layers'. Now that is a massive clue in my opinion. Neil was in tears in this interview.
Edgar Mitchell, buzz aldrin, Neil Armstrong, gordon Cooper all claim alien life definately exists.

Azza

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Firstly not everyone who does great things is in it for the fame, there is much more to being the first man on the moon than to go around bragging about it.

Secondly there may be a clue there may not if you are looking for it you will find it, because you want to, what that speach says to me is that they started the work, others will have to continue but to do so needs co-operation and not obstacles.

When he speaks of Truths protective layers he could be talking religion, money, ethics, government, it does not have to mean a lie.

This is the inherant issue I have with conspicacy, people claim if you look at facts you will see, but generally what they mean is if you put the facts to use in this way you will see this, however if you choose to read them a different way you will find a different truth.

Just to make it clear I am not an "unbeliever" in aliens, far from it, I just like people to actually look at both sides :) I'm a pragmatist.

Ash

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Ash - ''breakthrough available to those who can remove one of truths protective layers'' Hes saying theirs breakthroughs available in space. its got nothing to do with religion and money fella. In those times landing on the moon was the biggest thing in america! Why would you come back and not talk about your experience? Its because he wasn't allowed to tell the truth.

Azza

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He probably was talking about there being breakthroughs in space (I don't think I said differently) that does NOT mean that aliens on the moon or cover ups by the government were the things preventing those break throughs.

Space exploration costs money, scientific discover costs money, yet there may be no benefit from the expenditure, therefore Money becomes one of truths protective layers. Governments have to fund these things yet religion, ethics, people power can stand in the way of them doing so, so they also can be seen as protective layers for the truth.

As i said earlier it is all about interpretation, you see it one way, I see it another, only Neil Armstrong knows what he meant.

Ash

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Fair enough i respect your opinion!
The way i see it is the government are hiding this info from us because they don't want us to know that we are not in control of our skies!

Azza

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15 Sep 2011 09:44:47
People want to invent a 9/11 conspiracy because in a warped way they can get their head round an evil all powerfull government plotting devious plans rather than the truth. The US government could not provide security and that millions of normal people around the world despise America for numerous varied reason some rational some irrational and this faceless multitude can and will strike out in various and numerous unpredictable ways. What scared the west and sparked the conspiracy is the bigger underlying fear that 2 men with box cutters can hurt the worlds leading super power.

9/11 was an outrage, an evil hideous act, however the USA has been and is the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world and it seems you REAP WHAT YOU SOW.

Dont Buy The Sun

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What happened during 9/11 was an atrocity.

And the death of so many people 3,000 is a terrible act.

No Sane person would dispute this.

However do you know that 200,000 Americans die each year from legal drugs the ones you can buy OTC in a pharmacy or the ones prescribed by doctors, the illuminati own the drug companies, you are their flock for experimentation

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15 Sep 2011 08:15:05
First off nice page guys.

I enjoy reading conspiracies, not sure if I believe any or some or none, but I do have a question for you all.

Why is it that if someone believes a conspiracy they are open minded but if they don't they are closed minded?

Surely those who believe are just as closed minded just for the other side of the argument!

I do also find it is hard to get at any real truth as often the people who write about the conspiracies have a major vested interest (starchild, it's the owner who is adament it is an alien, in a similar vein most people who own crystal skulls are the same. Moon rising director obviously wants to sell more videos etc.) even as these things are debunked they go on pushing it, just look at the complete rubbish about mirage cities in China, a quick look at google earth shows exactly where the supposed mirage is built!

In many ways there is little difference between some "believers" of conspiracy and "believers" in god!

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This is the best post I have read on here. And sums exactly how I feel. Conspiracy theories are born out of peoples genuine concerns and they are right that the few control the many that governments lie etc The theorists say they are open minded but once a juicy theory arrives they become gulable and close minded. The poster is 100% correct the publishers of these theories profit from their lies. Governments around the world do terrible things to their own and other people but I doubt the reason is ALIEN MIND CONTROL OR OWL WORSHIP!

DONT BUY THE SUN

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Totally, 100% agree!
My housemate is a big David Icke buff, he's got most of his docs etc and as I do have an interest in conspiracies, I've watched a few of them.

The thing is, I don't believe the majority of Icke's ideas and my housemate's response is pretty much this: He says that coz the ideas are far-fetched, by everyday standards, people are afraid to speak out about them fof fear of being branded a 'lunatic' or similar. His feeling being that 99% of the population are sheep who are scared to be seen as anything other than 'normal'.

However, my counter-argument is always this: Conspiracy theorists, or at least Icke worshippers, adopt the exact same tactic to get their own point across.

"If you don't believe, you're simply a sheep and too close-minded to 'get it'"

Which, to me, is no different than the government calling all believers lunatics.

A generic, aimless person or 'sheep' would be scared into disbelieving these ideas by the fear of being labelled a 'lunatic'.

An open-minded person with an interest in conspiracy theories is scared into accepting them as truth by the fear of being labelled 'close-minded' or a sheep.

Same tactic, different camps.

RED_SKY

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I completely see where you're coming from/the point you're making.

One thing I would like to say is that I think it is closed-minded to have evidence of something put in front of you, and to say it is wrong/ impossible. I feel that is closed-minded. I think when there is what I would describe as a wilful refusal to consider or accept the possibility and then the possible evidence of alien/new species existence, that is closed-minded. For we are biological, and we would not exist if not for the sun. That is fact. There are millions of suns out there, so how can someone say it is impossible for life to exist that is ET? That is absurd. There is no explanation, no justification, just a clear desire to refuse to consider the option. And THAT is so closed-minded.

Some people make the link that if you are religious, then you don't believe in this kind of thing. Why not? Why can't you be both? Because religion teaches you that a God or Creator created all life. Hindu religion teaches that all life was created by the Sun (who also shines on EVERYONE). Again, unless religions cause you to deny that space exists, that other planets exists, and that other stars/suns exist, even those who are majorly religious are still simply in denial. For me, that is closed-minded.

As far as the star child goes - yes, there could be an element of paying people to say the right thing and produce the right results... but that would run far deeper, take far longer, and cost far more than to simply do the research to reveal the truth. All the scientists who have worked on the Star Child have put their careers on the line. They also have no reason to lie. If they really had a reason to lie, it would be for credibility, and they would deny the results. ALSO, they govt, according to conspiracy theories, have done their utmost to deny the existence of alien life. Why? Watch Moon Rising and tell me we haven't all been done over. The Star Child stuff hasn't been covered up because 1) so far, apart from finding that it is half inhuman, they have not found anything specific to cover up. 2) The skull is privately owned. They have no right to confiscate it.

That really is an extraordinary skull. To write it off, after reading what there is to read about it, is, IMO, closed-minded. When there is clear-cut proof, and you cannot fake DNA results. AT any rate, there are enough privately-owned Genetics companies who have access to all that evidence in the same way I have who could easily do their own research and go public with the results saying they're fake if they were, yet nobody has. Why not? Because they have no reason to, that's why. The evidence is there for all to see - half human, half something else. Whatever it is, the DNA for that thing has never before been found on this planet. Is it alien? Who knows? Is it a product of alien genetic engineering? Who knows. Is it a humanoid thing born of a human plus a species now extinct, but one that isn't 'alien' at all? Who knows. Is it half plastic?? But nobody can look at all that stuff and say, when the evidence is right there for the world to see, and say 'that is 100% human'.

To do so would again be so unbelievably closed-minded. If someone comes out and eventually DOES prove it to be human, I would then be closed-minded to say 'no it isn't, it can't be'.

In other news, I really do not believe all this crap about the Antichrist coming. While I am all for having a faith, I do not believe in God or a Creator. I believe we are on this planet through entirely biological processes. 100%. Nobody will ever sway me on that. I believe the Bible was written as a reference to thousands of events from this planets history that has been documented over thousands of years by all races, and they have been dressed up as acts of God. In example, I am more likely to believe that Sodom and Gomorrah were bombed or a meteorite hit them both than to believe God ordered a fiery hell to rain down on the cities. Nothing in religion has any proof for me, only what has been past through our histories, and, well, if you watch The Arrivals and believe any of the subliminal messaging etc, you'll know that all religions and histories have a chance of existing within the parameters of hidden (or not) agendas.

I do not believe in 2012 some massive bloody antichrist is going to rise up from the sea with seven heads, the body of a tiger, and enslave us all in a New World Order. That is effing stupid. Does that make me closed-minded or realistic? If there is no evidence of God, only evidence of his worship, and the same with Christ, and even less about the Antichrist,why would I believe this mythical creature is on it's way?

I think there is an ability to go backwards and forwards over this 'what is closed-minded', but I think the main thing is to do research and draw your own conclusions, rather than to refuse to consider possibilities in the first place.

Raz

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Just like to clear one thing up, I am in no way saying thet tha starchild skull is or is not fake, I was purely using it as an example of where the owner/proprietor is likely to make money so would do his/her best to make their case point the direction of most gain. if that appeared otherwise in my original post sorry.

I do have to disagree with you though Raz I've watched the moon rising film and thought it was hogwash, as someone with a good knowledge of photography half of the alterations he makes are pure fantasy and could be used to show anything, other points are also rubbish (like tha saucer standing on end, or the missing crosses from the hassleblad cameras) and have been debunked by multiple people (a quick google search will show you that). If there truely were a space station or some such on the surface of the moon, someone would have seen it from earth!

There are many unexplained things in this world, and I enjoy hearing reading about them, and governments do cover stuff up to hide the truth from people, however how much they do these things only time will tell.

Just as a guide, a few of the bigger conspiracy theories and my opinion:

911 - Not sure, too much brushed over for them all to be wrong, but then again, what happened in some aspects is clear, 2 planes hit 2 towers!

Moon rising - bunkem (see above)

Starchild - not sure, seems odd, but time will tell

NWO/Illuminate - I honestly don't think these guys are real or as powerful as made to believe. People like to have an evil guy/group to blame for things.

Hitler not dead (or died much later) - people want to believe this but face it the guy killed himself rather than face the consiquences (likewise, elvis - dead, MJ - dead, Tupac - dead)

aliens built pyramids - utter rubbish, it has been shown over and over how these were built, and why, no cover up there or in any other ancient structure (in my opinion, and I include nascar lines).

Lizard people (aka david Ike) - crap keeper, equally crap at making stuff up :)

Ash

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Hi Ash,

In fairness, as far as the Moon Rising stuff goes, I really enjoyed it but do not necessarily believe it. I think there are some seriously interesting links - e.g. the vector symbol prevalent in every single space organisation's logo... that is odd. I find it interesting that in the foto of the spaceman there is a vector when zoomed in on his face mask - yet there is no reflection of anything taking his picture. Wtf?

I am yet to decide whether I found that film convincing or not, but I DO believe they staged a moon landing, and deliberately mis-represented what the moon looks like, and I believe the is every chance that images have been hidden/altered by the govt. What that in turn means is anyone's guess.

One thing I will say though is I do not believe the image of Aristarchos Crater as found in books and on wiki is a real image.

Other than that, I am still not massively convinced by Moon Rising but I am not writing it off as false yet.

Raz

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What Rubbish?

Conspiracies theories are not a belief system.

The belief in a higher power is a belief system

Conspiracies are acts or events that the Illuminati who control the governments of this world want to suppress. The truth is seldom told in this world the general public who the illuminati believe are complete idiots and to be used in any way seen fit for the enrichment of the illuminati, they see no reason to inform us of any event rather they like to keep us clouded and drugged so that we are easier to manage

The sort of thinking above is just what the illuminatii wants - sheeple - however I do not blame any of you as you have been dumbed down through posions in your food, water and environment

Did you know you are sprayed every day with chemicals to keep you locked in a apathetic state

You are controlled by the media, the illuminati own the media and rarely are we told the truth on any issue

Do you really think the BBC keeps you informed?

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15 Sep 2011 04:23:19
does not dna prove we are designed, if you really think about it , it goes to prove that some of the so called smartest minds in the world are just dumb , think about this they tell you a whale, yes a whale used to live on land then crawed into the water, and people belive this tripe , also a big bang came out of nothing and we all ended up here, so despite all the codeing in the dna , they say that all came about by chance , should it be humans like us that put us on this planet or higher beings or the one and only god/scource do you not agree that that anyone who thinks theres nothing behind it all are indeed the dim ones

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In short No!

Read Darwin! it is about adapting, if there is less threat in the water an animal will swim, rather than walk, if they spend more time swimming the will adapt.

What starts as a deformity may work well for a creature (fingers fusing for example) this makes this one creature more succesful than it's brothers, this makes it's chances of mating increase and the deformaities spread to the next generation.

It is a very simple concept once you get your head around it, there is no goal or pinacle to reach it is an ever changing world where those that adapt become more likely to continue the species and thus their genetic make up will go on.

Ash

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Everyone should read Darwin and stop simplyfing evolution. They think one day a fish was in the sea the next it sprouted legs. Evolution is a slow process full of dead ends. The early life forms were the first eyes appeared had rapid life spans meaning multiple generations in a minute and this was the engine of rapid change.

Christianity is a relatively modern religion, christians should study the historical facts of how their religion spread and maybe then they would regect it.

Dont Buy the Sun

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I have to say, and I genuinely mean no offence, but I couldn't agree LESS with this post. I honestly feel you need to go back to school, or study the origins of the earth, the evolution and extinction of all species on earth, go and look at the similarities in DNA coding between things like a bird and a fish, and mammalian DNA, and fossil records, and discover for yourself that there are millions of years of evolution that have got where we are today.

DNA does not prove WE are designed any more than it suggests someone made the air, trees, and magma from the earth's core. It is a FACT that we are comprised of atoms. Everything is. There is a clear process that formed our planet, that forms other planets too. Study the life cycle of a star.

As for your whale comment- you have seriously seriously undermined a proven concept, and also reversed it. At one stage the entire planet was covered in water. Over millions and millions of years some of those reptilian creatures evolved to live on land. Note- not mammalian. Seriously at least do some homework before coming out with a post like that which suggests that anyone with a basic education is a moron.

Raz

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P.s. DBTS I agree with you on that one.

Raz

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Cheers Raz!

And maybe I should be a bit less hostile with my posts but its all in good fun! You ll never convert me to Illuminati or Aztec Aliens though!

Dont Buy the Sun

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I haven't tried - yet....

I am yet to do my own reading on all that shiz, there is so much to get through it is nightmare.

Raz

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15 Sep 2011 01:39:07
heres my take on aliens.
i do believe they are out there.
most scientists do.
earth has been around for 4.5bn years
if there was an alien race capable of traveling such distances then we must of been visited in that time. right?
maybe not.
our planet might not be suitable for them.
our planet might be of no use or interest to them.
traveling such distance might be simply impossible to do on a time scale worthwhile.
i think if travel can be done quickly and easily then aliens prob have visited out of curiosity.
if not then we will just have to keep looking at the stars wondering whats out there.
people need to understand the distance between stars. to travel to our nearest one would take generations, and no guarantee the planet is capable of supporting life at all. let alone humans.
untill we invent warp drive we will never know.

MIKEY

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Scotty beam me up if this is the understanding?

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Did you not see cowboys and Aliens they are here on earth mining gold for thier jewelley stores on their planet mind you they are ugly looking bruts and some gold jewellery would not do much for them

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