Conspiracy Talk Archive September 16 2011

 

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16 Sep 2011 23:43:17
Check this site out , it has a few of the cards that are in the Illuminati Card Game which was made in 1992. Interesting stuff.
www.cuttingedge.org/News/n1753.cfm

Ghandi Floss

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Theirs plenty more like the 'oil spill' ' 'moon base' etc.
I think theirs 330 cards.

Azza

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Its absolutely crazy!?

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16 Sep 2011 23:33:17
Hi Eds i posted twice in the past couple hours but they havent seem to be posted and i was wandering why. Was there something wrong with the link that i posted?
Thanks

Ghandi Floss {Ed001's Note - ah links with http:// get swallowed up by our spam filter. Otherwise we would have to sift through thousands of links for cialis and viagra and similar things. Just repost without the http://}

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Lol ok thanks for clearing that up mate

Ghandi Floss {Ed001's Note - no worries, it is a pain but it is a nice simple expedient to cut out most of the spam we would otherwise get.}

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16 Sep 2011 23:14:42
What do you people think about the conspiracy against the miz an r truth in wwe?

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Shush lil jimmy ;)

Ghandi Floss

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16 Sep 2011 22:56:45
united flight 93 was shot down by the us airforce.so wot better way 2 get the public spirits up than make the passengers heroes..........SUDANAME

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16 Sep 2011 20:28:14
Raz,
Where did you get that rothschild/lucifer quote from?
JQuan.

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Can't find it but read some interesting stuff.

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Hi mate, I got it from The Arrivals series... so I have no direct reference to anything it was written in or anything like that, but it is an interesting quote!

Raz

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Cheers mate.
The quote I keep reading is: I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire, ¦The man that controls Britain™s money supply controls the British Empire. And I control the money supply.¯ amschel mater rothschild, 1838.

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Sorry, thats mayer not mater!
Found the source from that quote. Looks like it was Harold Wallace Rosenthal, 29, a personal assistant to New York Senator Jacob Javits not actually rothschild that said it.
Still, interesting enough.

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Yeah mate that sounds about right- It is Rothschild and Rockefeller who basically own all banks, and therefore all governments, including ours, and this has apparently been the case since the dawn of...the Illuminati, founded by a Rothschild.

Raz

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Raz, you checked out that card game i was telling you about. It went on the market in 1982...strange mate.

Azza

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Yep. Federal reserve and bank of England. Fractional reserve banking and all that.
JQuan.

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Azza I wikid it, was hoping to read it was invented 700 years ago or something, would have added some mystery to it for me, but I read it was a spoof game, created for 'tongue in cheek' fun and in homage if you like to The Illuminatus! Trilogy by Wilson and Shea... which I now want to read haha.

Raz

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"Most Americans have no real understanding of the operation of the international money lenders. The accounts of the Federal Reserve System have never been audited. It operates outside the control of Congress and manipulates the credit of the United States" ” Sen. Barry Goldwater (Rep. AR)
JQuan

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"This [Federal Reserve Act] establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President [Wilson} signs this bill, the invisible government of the monetary power will be legalized....the worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency bill." ” Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr. , 1913

"From now on, depressions will be scientifically created." ” Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh Sr. , 1913
JQuan

Ps. Sorry for bombardment of quotes, I find them the most interesting and insightful.

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"We are completely dependant on the commercial banks. Someone has to borrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the banks create ample synthetic money we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system.... It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied very soon." ” Robert H. Hamphill, Atlanta Federal Reserve Bank
JQuan

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That because the FED is not American controlled.

The Fed is owned by Rockefeller, Rochschild, etc.

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Exactly. License to print money. Literally.

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16 Sep 2011 20:11:25
So aztec space ships eh that would've been cool to see.

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16 Sep 2011 19:21:03
We had our own 9/11, 7/7. These two events have many similarities albeit on a much smaller scale. The official enquiry only repeats the narrative that was farmed out via the mainstream media at the time and concluded that nothing could have been done to prevent the attack. How has this fell off the radar in the UK? Visor Consultants conducted an exercise with a scenario that actually occurred on the same day at the very same stations...whats the chances of that? Add the rerouted bus and the other countless anomolies in the official narrative...Who was Visors client, a client that would want data from a terrorist bomb attack on busy underground train routes. This needs busting open again.

Paragon

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Agreed.

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Paragon, do you remember the effect it had on people thoughts on terrorists etc? As, did it promote the hatred of a specific group?

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Yeah, i remember alright. Those thoughts were encouraged at just the right time. Our Prime Minister was in the midst of particulary bad times. Public support was needed more than ever for him and his Government / party. Enter stage left a terrorist attack by people or group that fulfulls the criteria of that the War on Terror has been waged.

Paragon

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Yes it did. Somewhat understandably as well.

There's the cctv footgae of them getting on the trains with the rucksacks, there's the "martydom" video's that surfaced afterwards.

Fairly open and shut case really. it could have been prevented if they had have been arrested earlier, but someone dropped the ball.

As the ira used to say "you have to be lucky all the time, we only have to be lucky once"

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P.S....and to continue funding and supplying the war on terror at terrible expense because we need protecting from this invisible foe that hate our freedom, whilst the sheeple get screwed over time and time again to keep the cash carousel revolving....who benefits from such a system?

Paragon

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No way an open and shut case. This is clearly a false flag exercise.

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Sheeple... that is brilliant. Thanks guys. I am in the middle of watching the Arrivals series by The Wake Up Project, no mention of 7/7 so far, will be interesting to see if they do mention and if so, what they say.
Raz

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16 Sep 2011 18:37:45
No sooner than conspiracy site is launched and conspiracies are being analysed, the people start to appear with all these negativity bs-ing everything ,
why are they here if they just want to ridicule these theories, they are just similar to scousars in man utd. banter page or they are hired by government

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This was my point.
Sorry my name keeps popping up everywhere but I am loving this page.
Raz

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16 Sep 2011 17:37:30
don't want to get too political but according to our friend don't buy the sun its ok for the left to murder people but when anyone else does it its an atrocity. Thats wrong. Murder is murder no matter the justification.

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16 Sep 2011 17:28:49
Dont know if any of you guys know about the Moth man prophecies (spelling) but apparently he is back...

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Yeah...familiar with it alright...seen the film and a few documentaries...where abouts is it being seen??

PmacC

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16 Sep 2011 16:17:00
last post was from me ' Azza'

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16 Sep 2011 16:16:38
Has anybody seen the 'Illuminati' card game designed by steve jackson?

Their are some wierd pictures including a plane hitting the world trade center! This card game was designed many years ago.

Azz

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Haha no?!

I will check this out Azza

Raz

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Ive seen it! it also had a card population control which was a disease (Aids) before these things ever happened lol

Ghandi Floss

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How long ago was it designed Azza?

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In 1982 it went on the market! its been that long. check the cards out......

Azza {Ed001's Note - I will have to see if I can track them down on Ebay.}

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16 Sep 2011 16:13:18
The burmuda triangle?

Any thoughts about this people? Very strange if you ask me!

Azza

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Apparently years ago when certain parts of the world had not been discovered some explorer had written in his journal that a huge object fell from the sky and into the sea and their ships compass when ape **** so it could of been a highly magnetic object that has warped the earth magnetic field in the burmuda region

MJ

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Very strange phenomenon. Have heard several theories regarding the loss of marine vessels but only one theory for aircraft loss, but not one that covers both.

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The area in and around the Bermuda triangle is one of the most traversed sea and air routes in the world, if you randomly chose any other well-travelled sea-route you would find a similar amount of disappearances as have been reported in the Bermuda Triangle - perhaps we could all pull together on this site and create the 'Samoan Circle of Doom' and strike fear into the hearts of sailors and pilots everywhere. The only thing notable about the area is it's apparent ability to mess up compasses and navigational tools.

Martin

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Christopher Columbus reported seeing strange balls of light flying around his ship and also balls of light coming out of the sea and flying away, during his voyages to the America's. All ignored by conventional history with almost no mention of these strange occurences. More truth's being hidden from us.

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16 Sep 2011 15:24:50
How's about this:

When you pay for something over the phone with a card, they 3 main things they ask for are:

Exp. date, long card number, 3 digit security code on the back.

Sometimes, they ask for:

Exp. date, start date, long card number, 3 dig code, name as it appears on the card.

In this scenario the individual taking the details now hs the complete ability to use that card on any website and spend your money. That is crazy. And you have just given them the 1 code which should be almost as private as your PI, if not for the fact that you have to reveal when you make a payment (yourself) : your 3 digit security code.

Surely this should not be the case? These codes were not always in existence, and no they are, hey are meant to be so that you can prove you are in possession of the card.

I just paid Gladstone Brookes for my PPI rebate and they asked me for those details, as have plenty of other companies, and it strikes me as very very odd.

They only technically need 3 things:

The card number, the expiry date, your name on the card. This time they didn't even ask me my name on the card.

The whole system, to me, is very flawed in terms of genuine security.

Raz

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I work in a shop and we take card payments and are machine also ask's for your postcode and house number for phone payments,

DRR

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16 Sep 2011 14:59:53
The flawless one,the man with no equal will enlighten you tonight,please prepare ¤a>a

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Yeah thanks for that....

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16 Sep 2011 14:08:28
Don't buy the sun... nice to see some one else with their head screwed on and their priorities in place.

Wavertree red

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Mate... it's not a current affairs page. I have my priorities straight and as such, come on here in my spare time when I feel like it.

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16 Sep 2011 11:57:18
"I just wish that people would really get angry about real things like the Tories and the stupid cuts that mean normal people lose the most important services to maintain banks credit sheets!"

What exactly makes you think we don't? This is a conspiracy website, a bit of banter, and you come charging in here calling everyone morons for entertaining... you guessed it... the various conspiracy theories.

I suppose you think the Eds are childish 'idiots' for creating the page? No? Funny that.

Utterly ridiculous.

Can we not have a bit of fun when it seems all other parts of life are miserable? You think because we're on here we don't give a toss about those things? Of course we do. No offence, but get over yourself, get off your horse, join in, see the site for what it is or go away, there was no beef on this site til you came along.

Raz

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16 Sep 2011 11:27:29
Ghando Floss that date (September 11th) seems to be cropping up as a historical date to remember.

Have you got any more infobites like that?

Cheers,

Raz

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Sorry, Ghandi**

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Sorry not at the moment but i could research into it. BTW are you a muslim Raz? :D

Ghandi Floss

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No mate.

How come?

Raz

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Just wondering mate because im a muslim :D

Ghandi Floss

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I see :-)
In honesty I'm atheist, have been all my life really...
I have found there is more distrust, spin, cover-up, truth-bending and moral preaching in religion than anywhere else in the world and unless you simply 'decide' like I could so easily have done to follow a religion thrust upon me (which has just never been in my nature) it is impossible to know which to follow without studying each one to it's very beginnings. Maybe one day I will.
An example of why I happily turn my back on it rather than get involved with one only to find out it could all be a lie:
I believe the theory of evolution. I do not believe that God created man. I will never ever be swayed on that, perhaps because I just cannot fathom any other creation. Then you hear in Islam that they believe the first ploy of the Illuminati etc is to make people think here is no God- that the theory of evolution was invented deliberately to put a knife in religion. So for someone who was not born into a religious family, who was obsessed with evolution, dinosaurs and the like when I was a kid, and the forces of nature, where am I supposed to start?
Others will naturally say the bigger truth I must learn is that we, nature and this planet WERE created by the one God, the creator.
I simply cannot fathom that. And if I am 100% honest I feel there are millions out there who are the same, but who still follow their religion anyhow.
In the Arrivals, it was pretty even-keeled for the first half of the series. However, the second half de-generates into a serious pro-Muslim affair, whilst being very careful to be accepting of any religion so long as they all follow one god (with Muslim apparently being the first and original religion)...so if I am not Muslim at all, how can I see this as anything other than pro-Muslim propogada?
It is just impossible. In the eyes of Islam, the fact that I fail to fathom everything around me is created by God means 'they' are already winning....
I am an adult now, and am not sure if I will suddenly change my atheism to something else. I certainly will not respond to propaganda in the way it wishes, I have never been like that at all, so The Arrivals certainly isn't going to convert me, but it is extremely interesting.
Raz

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16 Sep 2011 11:36:02
right so every building in the world with a dome is a secret illuminati lair. Or maybe they aren't. Stop reading too much into things.

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Illuminati control media. Last time I checked, media don't operate out of domed buildings... I agree with this poster, get over the owl building stuff haha.

Raz

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16 Sep 2011 11:05:28
don't buy the sun communism and socialism do not work. What about all the millions murdered in soviet russia or red china? Or the crimes committed by your hero che? Or do they not count?

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I despise Soviet Russia and China. State capitalism is not true Socialism. I also do not believe in perfect utopias but I do not think Capitalism works very well when you look at the global picture. Its a question of priority, I believe society should be built around the principles of fairness equality and collective endevour.
Thank God for Socialists though. Before Socialist parties and unions existed we had no voting rights or paid holiday or free health care or free education the list goes on....

And Guevara was a hundred times more a man than David Cameron, Jeremey Hunt or Gideon Osbourne! Che had people executed yes and I totally support that, Robespiere executed thousands again I can understand why and England beheaded a King and to not do it would have been a greater crime.

Che gave his life to try and give humanity a better future,neither you or I have done that!

Dont Buy the Sun

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See, you leave a post like that and it makes for sensible reading mate. It makes me want to go and look into things you talk about....

Cheers,

Raz

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In theory communism is a great idea, the only thing holding it back is greed which unfortunately is in most people nature. Once money gets involved you see a lot of people for what they really are.

always a red

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I doubt people will ever be ready for communism, too much greed in the world, but people are hard wired for greed.
its our instincts to collect more stuff than our neighbour, this dates back to cavemen, its how we survived and prospered as a species.
imposing communism on a society never works, look at the death tolls of soviet russia and china. 10s even 100s of millions.
when the human race has grown up enough to look past greed and say we can be so much better than this we will see revolutions across the world. much like the arab spring.

che would of looked so much better in history if he imprisoned rather than executed them prisoners. he still stands as a great inspiration to myself and millions.
is he patron saint of bolivia? i am sure i read that somewere.

MIKEY

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16 Sep 2011 09:48:20
"AH! Am I the only won on crazy pills here?!"

Owl worshiping Illuminati? You lot are insane! There is much to worry about in society and governments, world poverty and wars etc. However dont go looking in bargin Books crazy crap for kids section. Read Marx,Chomsky or watch Adam Curtis ALL WATCHED OVER BY MACHINES OF LOVING GRACE. You lot if you lived in Germany in the 1930s would have fallen for the eternal jew conspiracy!

Can I ask the conspiracy boys if they know of any of the countless real attrocities carried out by the West.
Has anyone read about PATRICE LUMUMBA? Anyone read about KEN SARO WIWA? 2 examples of real crimes by our governments and multi nationals not hidden publically documented. But because moronic Americans and Europeans want to hide in a fog of pulp fantasy no one gets angry about the real crimes their too busy thinking George Bush is a grey who likes owls.

Semptember 11th 1973 US backed coup in Chile, leads to torture and murder of 40,000 innocent people,women raped by dogs, babies taken from their families,international terrorist bombings by Pinochet government. All there in declassified documents recorded by news cameras but you lot dont get angry about this your too busy thinking about crop circles.

2002 Venezuela US backs failed coup against democratically elected Hugo Chavez, not hidden recorded facts easily available but you lot arent concerned your too busy looking on the net for owl shaped buildings.

Millions across the world come face to face with the horrors of multi national capitalism on a daily basis many try and resist it. You lot however are a product of the self obbsessed apathy of western civilisation you sit reading badly written books on stupid subjects aimed at appealing to dumb people, you watch badly made documentries on stupid subjects by ridiculous mad individuals who are profiting on your gulabile nature.

Your world views are based on the wrtings of comic and sci fi obbessed loners!

If you want to understand the modern world why not listen to the voices of those most effected by it, try SUB COMANDANTE MARCOS.

Pathetic

Dont Buy the Sun

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History just repeats itself, if people knew the full extent of why wars and conficts are set up mostly ,they would be shocked as nearly every power in history is guitly of this, not counting the nutjobs that kill there own people to get power in smaller countries , if only we could just share food as no one should go hungrey and live in peace , sounds simple but power and greed is what world leaders love..........lfc

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The point is people should not be apathetic. The info is there people cant say "i didnt know" the problem is all this rubbish about aliens, illuminati, owls, aztec spaceships is the crap people dont filter.

I just wish that people would really get angry about real things like the Tories and the stupid cuts that mean normal people lose the most important services to maintain banks credit sheets!

" If you tremble with indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine" Ernesto Che Guevara.

Dont Buy the Sun

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Wow, what a nice post to wake up to....not.

DBTS, what you are forgetting is this is not a current/previous affairs page, this is not a 'historical events that show you who your government really is' page - it is a CONSPIRACY THEORY page.

Why are you even here if all you are going to do is crap on everyone who have a different opinion to yourself? I have lived in Liverpool for a long time and I have to say a Scouser is 'always right', and even if you aren't one, you sound like one. The fact that some conspiracy theories clearly highlight the Chavez incident as being of deeply suspicious nature is lost on you. The difference is that some people are on here looking at these events and asking the question 'why?' not 'how could they?' If you think every bit of fighting that breaks out in the middle east, be it Jordan, Lebanon, Israel, wherever, is a separate, completely unrelated event to the next, and that Chavez was, maybe you should do some reading mate. I am not saying you are wrong, but you are utterly convinced you're right without knowing any more than anyone else, and without knowing what we know either.

What some people believe IS that they're linked. How can you be so sure that the countless atrocities carried out by the west are not part of some conspiracy? How do you KNOW that? You don't mate. SO why leave such a ridiculously hostile post? Why are you even here? Do you go to a gay bar and call everyone fags? Probably not, so why go on a conspiracy site and call everyone loons and tell them they read crap.

How do you know some people on here if not all haven't read all about Marx? Or the Chavez saga? I for one have. I have told you that before.

What astounds me is that the concept of the Illuminati, in modern terms, is a very Western-led thing - yes they are all over the world, apparently, but USA is the supposed 'greatest super-power', and that is where, it is assumed, the Illuminati pull most of their strings. You talk about Western atrocities- yet is doesn't occur to you that you are proving a point, that it actually COULD be something greater than a simple government act that is 'atrocious'. Don't you ever sit there and wonder why the government carries out these atrocities? Have you never heard of a False Flag operation?

A lot of this depends on scale. These theories require the action of an organisation that operates at a scale and depth that is so vast it is very difficult to imagine. But things have been happening on unimaginable scales since the dawn of man, these thigns only seem unimaginable to the modern man who thinks if it can't be done in 2 seconds and with the flick of a switch, it's probably not possible.

What you also fail to consider is exactly how capitalism is the Catalyst, should Illuminati exist. It makes perfect sense. Everything you have told people to consider and go read about actually point towards there being some bigger picture that the common man simply does not feel or notice in their day-today life.

In a nutshell, you strike me as not only hostile in your opinion, but utterly convinced of your own intelligence. If you know so much mate, why are you on here, and why are you not doing something more worthwhile with your life like changing the world?

George Bush was a puppet, and a bad one at that. FACT. Do you never ask - whose puppet? Moon landing stuff was held secret, not released to the public, and deep suspicion still shrouds that hole saga - FACT. I suppose you read all the reason why and thought 'naah, they aren't lying to us'.

I really dislike it when someone who thinks they know everything about everything comes along and runs their mouth, puts people down with stupid gimmick comments like 'buy Bargain books for dummies' etc etc, and then totally contradicts themselves with almost every point they make.

Answer this question, if you will, seeing as you already know the answer it seems:

Why is there poverty and starvation in less-developed, famine-ridden countries?

Answer this too please : why did Neil Armstrong refuse to speak in any depth in public about his trip to the moon?

Also: do you feel that if there was no hint of threat to the US government, it would have an excuse to finance it's military?

Do you not find it a very strange coincidence that Sept 11th keeps cropping up in dates of historical disasters?

Come on mate, if you genuinely believe that there is nothing suspicious going on all across our world then that is worrying. You'll sit here saying capitalism is doing this and that, but you won't question why.

Raz

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P.s. LFC I agree it is horrible and a desperate shame. Instead, people like me end up working for a year just to afford to go out and volunteer for 4 months in poor countries and ultimately come home feeling like we didn't change anything. What people should be asking is WHY we don't do anything to truly help.

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If they are secretive why do they do things in patterns you idiot! Your right though this is a conspiracy page and I am too political, great the way you dont like being challenged you just want theorists to post!
This will be my last post tho as I should try and gate crash this party. Fair point though I shouldnt have come on posting about politics and current affairs shoulda stuck to men in cloaks and aztec aliens.

Dont Buy the Sun

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Even in a minority of one, the truth is still the truth......Mahatma Ghandi

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P.s. DBTS another note: you seem to lump everyone in together- just because someone thinks the moons stuff was, at one point, staged, which it was, or that the illuminati exist, does not mean they also think their were Aztec spaceships and aliens.

I also have to say that if you completely refute the concept of alien life, then again, that is simply mad. The fact that is has already been discovered that there was once life on Mars cannot be ignored. That, in whatever form it comes in, is Alien.

Think you need to chill out, separate the issues that are being discussed.

You know there are families of those who died on 9/11 who have been appealing to the US govt, FBI, CIA and anyone else for the release of crime scene details which explain exactly how the towers came down etc, and CCTV (which inexplicably went missing) of surrounding areas... guess what mate, 10 years later they still haven't been given it. Do you not find it deeply suspicious that those who volunteered, all the firefighters etc, on 9/11, weren't invited to the memorial day?

Raz

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Come on mate I am mroe than happy to be challenged - I just HATE when someone puts someone else down for a difference of opinion and calls them unintelligent or words to that affect, that's all. I am more than happy to be challenged. We just all need to have a bit of diplomacy in our posts that's all. Respect each other.

Btw I really would be curious to hear your answers to those questions!

Btw, IMO Illuminati aren't secret - the way they operate, to an extent, or who their members are, perhaps is, but you can't keep something secret and condition people. The whole point of conditioning is that you drip-feed people with information. When it is subliminal they aren't meant to notice but many do. Others notice once it is pointed out to them. The point is, they don't want us to hate them, they want us to love and follow them, and to do that you have to maintain some sort of presence. I.e. it is completely in their interests, if they DO exist, to make themselves known.

Raz

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P.s if you really are going to reduce every post to a bout of sanctimonious sarcasm then maybe you should not post.

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Dont buy the sun, out of everyone on here your head seems to screwed on the most, bar mine obv :)

MIKEY

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16 Sep 2011 08:43:41
Satans biggest achievement on earth is convincing man he doesn't exist

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Jaysus mate stop telling people I am real or I'll get ya!

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~That's so funny

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16 Sep 2011 02:21:32
Been reading this site since it started and have to admit I'm sceptical, but i got an email from a friend today and...
...surely it's just coincidence?

How would he know I've been reading about conspiracies?

Maybe they are watching me?

dmedly

USA Has A History Of Attacking Themselves To Go To War video:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9kiWphCXQg&feature=share

Ps. All because I'm paranoid doesn't mean their not watching me?!

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In fairness I get this all the time. But it's in a weird way. For example, I saw a certain car the other day that I hadn't seen for a long time. It caught my eye and then made me think about the last time I was in one when I was really young.
Next day I have an email saying 'antique car raffle prize' bla bla bla, I was just thinking 'whaaaaat'. Bit more to it than that but you get the gist! This happens all the time.

Raz

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