Conspiracy Talk Archive November 17 2011

 

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17 Nov 2011 18:08:29
Re Ed001 saying Bush was guilty etc etc for
providing the means for warmongering...If
we take that to its logical conclusion then
every business which produces armaments
AND their employees are equally guilty. I am
not sure that you can manufacture guns/rockets/explosives etc which can only be
used for defence?
Puzzled {Ed001's Note - possibly you could say that, but there is a bit of a difference from being a lowly worker who needs to work to feed his/her family to being President of the most powerful nation on earth with the power to make decisions that affect us all.}

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Put it this way America gave Osama Bin Laden guns years ago because he was fighting people in his own country, and when Osama released a terrorist video the America government flew all of Bin ladens family out of America. All leaders are guilty of Warmongering in one way or another we just hear what the government wants us to hear

MJ

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It is true that a 'lowly worker' is different in that he does not instigate the use of the arms he manufactures however without those arms the use thereof could not be instigated.

Also Ed001 I notice that your emphasis seems to be on Bush - no word on Clinton?

Puzzled {Ed001's Note - again, just as bad, if not worse because he tried to pretend to be better.}

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17 Nov 2011 17:35:10
Mort

A link to the Tesla coil www.altair.org/tesla.htm
also youtube has video's about how to build them although i want to one about the size of a car so it can power my house

MJ

{Ed033's Note - You can also attempt to build a John Bedini motor if you have basic electronic knowledge. Type Bedini into youtube - www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYtUL8OU7s4

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Cheers MJ. Mort.

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17 Nov 2011 15:57:21
ed i appreciate your point but honestly if i were to rank them then Bush would be grade two. Hitler and saddam would be grade one. Bush definitely warmongered for iraq. But i don't recall him gassing civilians. Or having police dragging people of the streets and disappearing. As far as we know anyway. I just think that you cannot compare anything to hitler. The only one that comes close is stalin. I know people don't like the yanks but they've just done the same as every other empire in history, fought a war for resources. Technology changes but the politics doesn't. Its just on a bigger scale today. But its not the same as actually ordering the total extermination of an entire people and culture based on dodgy racial theory. {Ed001's Note - but the point was that he is still a murderer and supplier of materiel needed to perpetuate atrocities. He also had the power to prevent numerous mass murders and killings but instead he not just sat idly by, but actually provided assistance to carry on the killings. So I am afraid he has to be ranked amongst the worst of the worst.}

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Stalin - calculated death toll approximately 29 million......from purges and planned famine 1928-1938 left 17.4 million death. Another 11 million non-battle deaths from 1940-49 and 500,000 in Gulag deaths (1950-53).

Hitler death toll plus-or-minus 11 million. These from the infamous death camps (concentration camps) to eliminate the Jewish population, as well as gypsies, homosexuals, political opposition, mentally defective (Hitler's term) and others deemed a challenge to Hitler's idea of a perfect Aryan society.

And, as a side, Mao Zedong exceeds Hitler or Stalin with 44-1/2 million to 72 million. These were rural and urban purges, the "Great Leap Forward", cultural revolution, labor camps and Tibetan massacres. {Ed001's Note - I notice you don't include the mass murder of the Kurds by both Hussein and the Turks, that seems to always get forgotten because the Turks are in NATO. There were a fair few million of those that have been wiped from the face of the earth.}

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Hi Ed that was a different guy I think backing my point up. I did refer to Saddam gassing civilains, didn't have any figures available at the time. Also i;d forgotten China, just because no-one ever mentions it, i hadn't even heard of those figures before.

Lets just say that there have been a lot of nasty little sh!ts in power. {Ed001's Note - it seems that the people that choose to get power are the wrong people.}

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Agree there have been lots of races (cleansed ) ,but i could include the disappearence of lots of races even the loss of millions of irish from the famine and millions of african nations , Im just puttin in the big hitters ed . cherrs .

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This is good all about the bush family/nazi links

www.robertreckmeyer.com/dark-forces-bush-family-conspiracy.html

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I kind of agree with both point of views,i see bush as bad as hitler ,stalin, hussein etc etc the only difference he wears a suit ,but bush is not the main player , he is getting told what to do,which is just as bad.
frankyscouse

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Sort of what frankyscouse says.

But i'd put Hitler, Stalin and Mao out in front on their own then have the rest behind them, Pol Pot, Saddam, Gaddafi, Khomeini, the Kim's, Bush, Pinochet so on so on, anyone i missed?

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Yeah jp morgan rockerfeller and rothchild

jr

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Jr appreaciate what you mean fella, but they are behind the scenes manipulators and i was ore naming the up fron puppets. i did miss a few, Peron, Mugabe, etc etc. But true without the bankers they would be nothing.

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You forgot Thatcher in your list. One of the most single loathsome creatures ever to be put on this planet. Hatred isn't the word.

Padawan {Ed001's Note - I think he was limiting it to human beings.}

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Fair enough mate.

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Fair enough, just thought i'd give them a mention.
Moving on from individuals, what about institutions? The british monarchy and goverment were responsible for who knows how many millions of deaths ?
In the last 50 years the CIA are guilty
of illegally overthrowing numerous democratically elected goverments and replacing them with murderous facist regimes.
And they haven't finished yet.

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17 Nov 2011 15:42:00
Azza your on dangerous ground as red sky pointed out. Hitler and saddam really are indefensible. And hardly comparable with Bush. Yes most of us are aware of Blair sucking up to Gaddaffi for oil but that just shows how reprehensible Blair is. No i don't agree with a lot of recent us or uk foreign policy. And we all know its based around oil but sold to the public on humanitarian grounds. But just because you have an axe to grind on that for whatever reason you can't go around saying o well hitler was anti illuminati and the nasty western press picked on him so he must have been alright as you more or less just did. As red sky said the likes of hitler and saddam were the worst kind of mass murdering scum. {Ed001's Note - actually I have to say Bush is very directly comparable with any of them. Not only a warmonger, but he supplied the means for others to wage wars and commit genocide.}

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Bush was a puppet ! nothing more , this guy could not read right never mind be comparable to hitler or saddam ! He was the puppet but who were the puppitears? He was used as the face of american greed ,a texan who came from oil and was known for the goodlife , likeable but stupid .Follow who owened companies he was directors or chairman of and you will find a source . redbloodgreensoul .

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They got what they deserved, all im saying is that we didnt have to get involved andpaint them in a much worse light. Do you really think us and america care that Gaddafi and saddam have murdered people? No, all we are interested in is their oil which is why we encouraged the death of Gaddafi and Saddam because with them as leaders theres no chance in hell we can get our hands on oil.

Bush is a FOOL, he has done so much damage its unreal. bankrupt his own ecomony, brought the worlds economy down to its knees, created wars all around the world, killed many many people, recession, pentions lost.....i can go on and on.

All the UK&UStalk about is terrorism on television and they tell you to listen but they never tell you they're mission, they funded Al-Queda, and now they blame the muslim religion, even though Bin Ladin was a CIA tactition they gave him billions of dollars and they funded his purpose farenhiet 9/11, that's just scratchin the surface'' - IMMORTAL TECHNIQUE

Azza {Ed001's Note - surely it should be remembered that they did deserve what they got? Whereas you are trying to make out they aren't as bad as they are made out to be.}

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We all know that The Project For The New American Century were behind anything bush done!
Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Pearle, there might be another, but those are the main 4. Pure evil!

Peace

Jay

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But there's no proof that Bin laden was CIA, no 100% irrrefutable evidence that he was a member of the CIA like you are claiming. Yes he met with CIA people and they handed over weapons and training back in the 80's but thats not the same thing.

And Michael Moore is one of the most unrealiable people around too busy twisting facts to suit his own biased agenda.

Saddam gassed between 3000 and 5000 innocent people at Halubja, not to ention the tens of thousands that disappeared of the streets to torture and execution and you think he was painted in a bad light?

Hitler was a total loony tune who fought a war so he could commit genocide. 12 million victims just in the camps never mind the millions killed on the battlefields and so on, But he was painted in a bad light? Poor choice of words.

And yes i care that Saddam and Gaddaffi murdered thousands of people and so do many others.

As mnay others have stated Bush was a puppet, its the people behind Bush that are the ones responsible. And you seem to be giving Bush a lot of credit for the current state of the world. I'm sure that it took more than one man to achieve this mess. Obama is just as bad as Bush. Blair should share a lot of the blame, almost as much as Bush. And Brown was the one that crippled this countries economy whilst Blair was showboating on the world stage. Not to mention the blame that must go to Brussels for one of the greatest follies in history in the Euro, which is now coming home to roost and Brown would have had us in years ago but for Blair!

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17 Nov 2011 15:00:12
does anyone think time travel is possible?

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{Ed033's note - Andrew D. Basiago thinks so. He allegedly took part in Project Pegasus, which had time travel capability. Here is a presentation he gave in 2011 - www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OqWdiRUHP4

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Time travel is already possible all be it in a very slight way , time dilation is really time travel , when an astronaut arrives back on earth after been on the international space station he is a millionth of a secound younger than he was .check this link although its hard to get ur head around if you studied physics and have a good grasp on things youl pick it up www4.ncsu.edu/~carroll/time_travel/forward.html

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Possibly, it depends on our standing of how it works. Accorsing to Einstein it wasn't really possible, but the work being done at CERN shows that it may be possible, but i doubt we'll make a breakthrough this century.

{Ed033's Note - I think there is something wrong with Andrew D. Basiago myself but what the black ops programs technology is allegedly a century or more beyond what we have so they may have time travel and even teleportation for I know. Project Camelot interview with David Wilcock on black technology teleportation with Jump Rooms to Mars - www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMwJmIRF7ZE

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Yes, just got back from widnes , where i swear it was 1970something.

jr

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17 Nov 2011 13:46:10
I went to the cinema last night, to see immortals....where can I read up on Greek Mythology?
Ta

{Ed033's Note - You could go to your local library and tell them you are interested in a book about "Greek Mythology". You could type "Greek Mythology" in an online bookstore such as amazon and buy a book or 2. Or you could type "Greek Mythology" in your favourite search engine and start reading web pages.}

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I went to the cinema last night to see artur christmas , where can i buy a guun to shoot myself ?

{Ed033's Note - You're on the wrong site. Please go to the www.menopausalmantalk.co.uk or the www.talk-movies.co.uk site

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17 Nov 2011 13:57:15
Global temperatures haven't increased in 15 years so the term Global Warming has been / is being replaced by Climate Change. The planet may well be going through one of its cycles and man may even be speeding things up slightly but the whole thing is about money. I'm not saying that investing in renewable energy is a bad thing but we should be investing in preparing for possible change rather than wasting cash trying to address / prevent change.

{Ed033's Note - Al Gore received a Nobel Prize for making a speech that relied on a professor that has allegedly been caught putting out false data in the past. Around 30,000 people including PHDs attempted to sue Al Gore because of the false information in his "global warming" data.

If the carbon tax ever comes in, Al Gore will become a multi billionaire and almost all companies will not be able to continue to operate because of the carbon taxes. The only companies about will be about will be a few huge corporations owned by the ruling class because these huge corporations' carbon tax will be paid for by us.

In addition our potential lifestyle will go back to how it was before the industrial revolution.

Carbon dioxide is beneficial as it make plants grow. We could do with more of it.

Global temperatures have apparently actually gone down over the past 9 years.

Allegedly, the ice on one side of Antarctica has shrunk but on the other side has increased. And the side with the increase has grown more than the side that has shrunk. But the mass media only show us the side that has shrunk.

When you see chunks of ice falling off glaciers it's probably because the glacier has grown and the over hanging ice sheet's weight is too heavy under gravity so it falls off.}

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Whatever they say about global warming or climate change the weather around the world is defo changing .I know the mass media cover more stories than years ago but all this flooding /snow /heavy rain / storms . are all on the rise , im in my late 30s and remember my youth and i dont ever remember even in the last 20 years the weather been as bad as it has been over the last 2 or 3 , even talkin with my parents and gran parents they agree that it was never as bad in the 40s 50s 60s 70 or 80s .Either the weather systems are been changed by the goverments using some black tec the world is going through a phase of change or we are doing harm ,whatever the answer its not for the good .greenbloodredsoul .

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I work for a recycling company and it is all about money we have to apply for licenses annually to the Environmental Agency at a cost of thousands these organizations are just another arm of the government. These licenses cover everything from material movement to a fee for our site all because we choose to recycle. Governments are using the climate change excuse to make a fortune.
Ed - Am I right in saying that SEPA and EA are non profit organisations if so it begs the question where does the money go.

{Ed033's Note - Where does the money go. I would suggest that with a lot of organisations, the money goes into a private trust and the beneficiaries of that trust get to receive the benefits of the trust and the more money the trust has, the more benefits the beneficiaries receive.}

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17 Nov 2011 13:04:53
{Ed033's Note - Allegedly 1 Million Watt Cold Fusion Reactor Now Running In Italy

www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxazKuE6Dm4&feature=youtu.be

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17 Nov 2011 11:20:56
what do you think of this Gaddafi interview and speech?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM0tJAGAnnY&feature=related

www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZZvPlGCt_8&feature=related

In my opinion he signed his own death certificate with these 2 interviews. He new too much about the illuminate, tried to expose it but no one wanted to listen because of the bad light the English and American media put him under.

If you want to Live in this day and age you have to be a coward. Gaddafi was to brave to live!

Azza

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And also killed off many of his own people, not to mention a certain Pan Am flight over a small scottish town....

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Gadaffi had nothing to do with lockerbie !!

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17 Nov 2011 10:08:08
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZZvPlGCt_8&feature=related

A fantastic speach(in my opinion) by Gadaffi and i have to agree with everything he says. This speach has made me change my opinion on him.
Gadaffi, Hitler, bin ladin and Saddam have all been put in a bad light by the american and english media.

Ed033 watch from start to finish and tell me what you think.

Azza
{Ed033's Note - Ok i'll reply in a while

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Excuse my very poor spelling in both posts.
Azza

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Saddam... guilty of genocide.

Hitler.... gulty of genocide.

Gadaffi...guilty of murder.

Bin Laden...well who knows.

Yeah i see where you are going with this.

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Yeah, sorry Azza mate, regardless of how the above were screwed by the 'powers that be', they were all still scum who committed atrocities of one form or another.

Your constant posting about them painting them in a fine light will not convince other members of this board.

Not saying you don't have a point, but you're sailing dangerously close to bigging-up all of these dictators / mass murderers and nobody is changing their minds.

RED_SKY

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Mr Anonymous......why are we so interested in Libiya? Its Not because Gaddafi was a murderer its all because of oil. did you know TONY BLAIRE was kissing Gaddafi in a tent in a desert whilst he was commiting all these crimes.

Azza

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Red_Sky - what they did was wrong but our media and the americans have made things alot worse then they really are.

They don't show you Tony Blair kissing and hugging Gaddafi or Bin Ladin working for the CIA.
Bush is just as bad as all those above mentioned.

Azza

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17 Nov 2011 09:21:42
Hi

Just thought I would ask you all what is the view on Global Warming is man directly responsible or is it just part of the earth's cycle and governments are making as much money out of it as possible.

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Whatever the truth is you can be sure of one thing, the government will always make as much money as possible out of any situation.

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17 Nov 2011 02:55:25
My youngest asked me to post that Santa Clause was a conspiracy by me and his mom to get him to brush his teeth(his big sis let the cat out the bag this evening and he's royally pissed)

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Santa Clause is a conspiracy theory by Coca Cola...

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17 Nov 2011 00:18:40
i see your talking about how fast rock layers can be put down. So if deposits can be done faster than science states then ages can be off? Just maybe genesis was right all along and the world is a lot younger than stated? Just a thought.

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A big question thats in genesis is the - let us make man in our image , and does eve eating the apple really mean she had sex with satan , who offspring is cain , and the whole bible thing is a fight through history of the womens seed v the serpents seed , so my understanding is we were upgraded to modern man from angels- or human types like us.............lfc

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There's a lot of trippy stuff in genesis. Like lfc said the whole man made in Gods image.

The Eden stories are all analogies anyway.

And then there's all that bit about the first humans living for many many years with life spans of centuries, whats that all about?

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Eden exists in Iraq. But I agree the bible totally f***ed up the proper story of creation at Eden to suit their own agenda.

Peace

Jay

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