Conspiracy Talk Archive September 17 2011

 

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17 Sep 2011 21:27:38
do people not think that theres maybe every cure for most illness in natrual food and plants etc , its not that all modern medince is bad , its just theres no big money in it for the drug compains in stuff people can get for themselfs , and its interesting that only a 100 or so years ago the modern medical people and doctors where called quacks and now its the other way round with the nautral medince people called quacks , the thing i have noticed is modern drugs treat the systoms but dont cure much while natual stuff cures more, interesting.........lfc

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LFC the whole medical profession is a joke.... manufacture and illness and sell the cure is a very very old concept and I do not believe for one second that people's health is truly the priority, if it was there would be no additives in food by LAW.

Raz

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The medical profession is designed for two things

1. To Make the Elites Rich

2. To Limit the explosive growth of the Elites human Stock

Look at the growth in opoulation over the lst 100 years its frightening the elites, they want to cull the herd.

A few years ago America offically had its 300M person born there were no celebrations, 30 years previous the population of america was approx 200M

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17 Sep 2011 16:57:01
Belief systems are a funny old thing and are based largely on how we were brought up and what we choose to believe from our interaction with other people.

Perception is everything!

The beliefs that we hold subconsciously are essential to our survival and if we can't overcome this problem which is very difficult to achieve we'll reject a lot of new ideas.

Or we have a vested interest based on certain "facts".

What is fact? What is the truth? There are many "facts" that are just plain BS
So the truth is influenced by our beliefs as to which facts are the true facts.

How many people past the age of 2 accept new discoveries? Example: Einstein discovered splitting the Atom as a "fact" of physics which was already there as an undiscovered "fact" before Einstein studied and explored it.

There are non more blind than those who Cannot See and many people right's brain are shut down through pharmaceutical drugs and our contaiminated food supply!

People can't except Conspiracy theories as its shakes the foundations of all they hold true.


Its hard to accept that the world you live in is largely a lie and that church and state constantly mis inform you!

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Exactly my friend :)

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Rubbish, most conspiracy theories are just that "theories", made up by someone who has been screwed over, and then trying to either save face or cause as much discomfort for the person(s) that screwed them.

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Say What?

Your brain has obviously being melted by the chemical cocktails of the illuminati!

Being screwd over has nothing to do with conspiracies mate!

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Obviously you sir are easily led, by some of the stories put out there by people trying to do just that. Lead people to believe that there is some higher power trying to run everyones life, take control of your own and dont read too much in to what others would have you believe.

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That is exactly what a god is mate. You can't bash someone on here for believing in the Illuminati and then go and pray, that is as hypocritical as it gets!

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Never said I was religious, did I? You just presumed, typical, if someone does not believe in conspiracy theories they must be GOD SQUAD, shame on you. Believe what you want mate, you obviously don't take to someone who has differing opinions to your own.

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Your Sir,

Are beyond help.

The illuminati already have you

You are one of the sheeple - each to their own

You don't believe that powerful people the Elites run the world for their benefit and not yours pose any dangers?

Time for an awakening or just live in ignorant bliss Maybe its better to play happy families with the crumbs from the table of the Elites

Whether you believe in them or not does not matter they exist, you can deny their existence that is your right!

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The illuminati sir are a conspiracy within themselves, and you sir possibly still believe the moon is made of cheese, and dinosaur bones are man made and planted in the places they are found

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17 Sep 2011 16:44:50
report by the Financial Times has claimed a group of pharmaceutical companies has paid doctors in the US almost $150m so far during 2011.

Prepared in conjunction with the data provider, PharmaShine, the figures show the money was paid by pharmaceutical firms, including Eli Lilly, AstraZeneca (AZ) and Pfizer, for doctors' travel and entertainment expenses as well as education and consultancy fees.

Of those companies who have released data, Lilly is reported to have paid $48m and Pfizer to have paid $42m.

AZ, who recently launched a database containing payments made to doctors and institutions, said $24.7m was paid out in associated compensation for the second quarter of 2011, with $8.1m going to individual physicians and $16.6m going to institutions.

In a post on the company's AZ Health Connections blog, US compliance officer, Marie Martino, gave reason as to why the company was releasing its data.

She said: "AstraZeneca believes it is important to be open about how we conduct our business, and this new reporting expands on a major initiative announced three years ago to provide greater public visibility into how we do business."

Around 165,000 doctors have received related payments in 2011 so far, compared to 262,000 doctors who received payment in 2010.

The report comes at a time when US government agencies are preparing guidelines to make the publication of industry support for medical professionals compulsory by 2013.

This is part of ongoing US healthcare reforms as an attempt to allow better, more consistent understanding of the pharmaceutical industry's relationship with healthcare professionals in the US.

In the UK, the Association of the British Pharmaceutical Industry (ABPI) changed its code of practice at the beginning of 2011 to help increase transparency of working practices between the pharmaceutical industry and healthcare professionals to help increase trust.

Companies will have to declare payments to healthcare professionals for services including speaker fees, advisory boards and consultancy, and sponsorship for attendance at meetings on an annual basis. The first declaration will be made in 2013 for payments made in 2012.

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The drug Comapnies which the Illuminati own are well and truly Evil and they have no qualms on preying on the sick - just how perverted can they get? {Ed033's Note - Well the FDA, who probably work for the drug companies are planning to remove 50% of the supplements from the shelves in america. The drug companies also appear to want to vaccinate children with 100 vaccines before they leave school.}

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Don't start me off on the FDA they are the most corrupt organization in the world.

I would proabably be banned from posting if I start on the FDA so I won't go there as much as I am tempted!

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Big Pharma made billions out the bird and swine flu epedemics. Governments were forced to buy up as much vaccine as possible. Much of that now stockpiled in hospitals and chemists throughout the world. And what for in the first place? These flu strains were no more deadly than normal season flu, in fact, no where near as deadly. When the next manufactured mutation the flu comes along, the current vaccines will be of no use and Big Pharma will once again be ready to cash in.

Paragon

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Exactly Paragon

The swing flu was created in a lab of the illuminati

Most countries were told they needed two vaccines for every citizen

And the vaccines sent to the czech republic were found to be contaminated

As the flu virus changes each year the stock piled vaccines are now useless

Who pays for the Vaccines the Tax Payer or rather the slaves of the illuminati

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17 Sep 2011 16:32:38
Hi there,

It's me, I have many names, the whore of babylon, the Devil, Satan, The Dark Lord, etc.

I want to put the record straight, I am not a bad guy!

Some books talk about me as if I were terrible, this is simply not true!

Hey, I am not perfect but who is?

So I like to do a little skullduggery now and again who doesn't?

So I have a pitchfork and a big red fire so do many farmers?

I have a sense of humour and I not really real?

That's the message I am trying to get out there!

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So tell me, how does this sell your soul stuff work? Is there any cool off period, minimum contract, multi person deal? Do you have PPI as recession must be hitting you a bit too? so you can understand i don't want to get caught out should i enter into any contract with you.

Rev. Paragon

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17 Sep 2011 11:57:09
ed033 not a conspiracy but i saw a comment of urs stating " the sun conjuncts with the galactic equator of the milky way". could u explain this a little more please? thanks in advance. {Ed033's Note - The precession of the Equinoxes is recognised by "scientists" as being 25,900 years. This is the number of years it takes for the sun to go around the 12 zodiac constellations. However as a side note, these "scientists" who believe this number are now perplexed because this precession appears to be speeding up and they don't know why. But the reason for the speeding up of the precession is because this solar system is most likely a binary star system and when the other sun starts to approach this solar system, the forces between the 2 stars causes our solar system to speed up it's journey around the 12 zodiac constellations. So the number of years maybe closer to 24,000 years. So the starting place for this precessional year count is where the sun lines up directly with the centre of the Milky Way galaxy i.e the sun conjuncts with the galactic equator. Apparently on 21 December 2012 the sun will end this precessional cycle and start again, like it has done for billions of years. Some people refer to this as the Mayan long count. So all 21 december 2011 is, is that the sun has completed another cycle through the zodiac constellations and going to start a new cycle around the 12 zodiac constellations. Or at least that is the way I see it at the moment but as I learn more, I may change my mind as we all do.

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Could this cause us problems like natural disasters and stuff or will just happen without us noticing?

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{Ed033's note - There have been natural disasters going on for billions of years. We maybe in a quiet period at the moment but we still get a natural disaster or 2 each year typically in one one country or another and it would be highly unlikely if there wasn't a natural disaster or 2 in a couple of countries in 2012. If you're talking about a global disaster that affects everyone on planet earth in 2012 then it is possible as in the past we appear to have global natural disasters but for anyone to say because we have had global disasters in the past then on 21 december 2012 then there will be a natural disaster seems ridiculous to me. But if someone says sometime in the future but don't know when there maybe a global natural disaster then I would agree. }

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17 Sep 2011 11:56:54
Anyone read "war is a racket" by ex US marine, general smedley d butler? Very interesting, and from someone with first hand experience.
Link below.

www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm
JQuan

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17 Sep 2011 11:15:47
Doesn't anyone else think that the whole world needs a major overhaul on the way that we ( everyone on the planet ) live?
If you take a moment to think about this, give a serious thought, any answer back is more than welcomed!
Think just now as a human being, just yourself with no ties, no ones father, mother, brother, sister, boyfriend, girlfriend etc.. Just you as an individual human being.
Now, when you are in this mindset, look at the world we live in today! Nations have nuclear weapons, capable of wiping out millions, chemical weapons, artillery. Why do we have these things? I understand some will say for DEFENCE. But if no one anywhere on this planet had any of these disgusting tools of human cleansing, then wouldn't we be living in a better place?
Think about this, there are actually people, right now, working on weapons that can KILL other human beings. And as each working day goes by for these people, these weapons become more efficient and deadly! Why are we letting this go on? Can anyone honestly say that, deep down, in your heart of hearts, that this doesn't bother you?
Personally, I think that whoever funds the whole weapon industry should be sentenced to life for crimes against humanity, and not just for the weapon making.
The money we ( almost every nation ) spend on war is f*****g ridiculous! There are people out there, our brothers and sisters, starving to death everyday! Children and adults dying of illness's that you and I just simply need to take a pill for! Why are we letting this happen to ourselves, because no matter what way you look at it, we are partially to blame for just sitting back and watching it happen!
FAMINE, WAR, GENOCIDE, STARVATION, we could fix all of these things if we
1 weren't so self involved
2 actually had some empathy for our less fortunate brothers and sisters
3 agreed that war shall be no more,
4 stood up to our governments ( every government - remember we put them their )
5 spent the money that we spend on war/weapons on helping the less fortunate across the globe, because no man, woman or child would ever have to starve again or die of a preventable illness if we did so

I understand that some might say, im a dreamer, you know what, I probably am. It just breaks my heart that this is the way we treat eachother. We have something very special, LIFE, and there is no greater gift than that!
The origins of mankind are a mystery and UNKNOWN! yes there are theory's, evolution, creation, god etc... But that's all they are, theory's! Wouldn't it be better to discover our true origins together as a planet? As one, and appreciate every single brother and sister that graces our mysterious world?

Only my personal opinion guys!

Jay
Glasgow

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I hear Jay. .
This is a quote form Ronald Reagan

"... when you stop to think that we're all God's children, wherever we may live in the world, I couldn't help but say to him, just think how easy his task and mine might be in these meetings that we held if suddenly there was a threat to this world from some other species from another planet outside in the universe. We'd forget all the little local differences that we have between our countries and we would find out once and for all that we really are all human beings here on this earth together"

White House transcript of "Remarks of the President to Fallston High School Students and Faculty"
December 4, 1985

Close Encounters.

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We are going to live very differently in the not too distant future.

The earth has finite resources. The whole world can't live and consume like americano's, that is a fact.

!.6 billion chinese and 1.4 Billion people from india (plus many others) all have aspirations of living the american dream
it can't be done, not for any racist reason but simply the world can't provide these resources.

Soon there will be famine and water shortages.

Countries will wage war over long rivers that flow through two or more countries as the river gets blocked off by the country at the top of the river preventing the water from flowing down.

Food prices will rocket, energy prices will rocket it's already happening.

Capitalism is already after experiencing a heart attack the financial collapse in 2007 was only the start of things to come.

It's going to get much worse, more people will lose their houses, car repossessions will increase and unemployment will rise.

New diseases will emerge as the illuminati cull their stock.

The only way to survive will be to learn how to catch, prepare and harvest your own food from land or sea.

Also necessary wil be how to make your own drinking water that will not kill you.

We are living in end times, the energy of the planet has shifted and many people will not make it through the rapture

However the world will survive with a total population of 500M people

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Right sorry you lost all credibility when you said there were 6 billion Chinese on the planet along with 1.4 billion Indians, thats a total of 7.4 billion and not counting anyone else. However total planet population is over 6.5 billion.

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Unless thats a typo and you menat 1.6 billion Chinese in which case apologies.

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A typing error I said there are !.6 Billion chinese, I had the caps lock down it was meant to say 1.6 Billion, if you hold down the 1 you get an exclamation sign!

Sorry about that chief?

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World population is 6.96 Billion people

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No worries, i spotted it on a reread after i'd already posted so apologised for the mis read mate.

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17 Sep 2011 10:39:31
Cheers Mikey,

However I took onboard what many of the other posters said and agree with their point that this is a Conspiracy Theory site and not a political forum. I therefore will not be posting my opinions or counter arguments because why gate crash their party and by the number of posts many people enjoy the site and I in no way shape or form want to prevent that. I would say it debunks their arguments when they feel politics and current affairs threaten their theories. However I often invite born againers into my house because I love debate and argument thats what Im about. I also take onboard from other posters my tone can be agressive and arrogant I probably need to work on that. But no point in me posting repetitive political nonsense let the theories flow.

Cheers for the support and never be ashamed of Ernesto Che Guevara few men in history were more true to the highest ideals of humanity.

Definite last post...

Dont Buy the Sun

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17 Sep 2011 09:32:28
Wot do u guys think about the conspiracy against Celtic football club in scotland by the people in charge of the spl, referees, linesmen, other clubs, managers, the media, uefa, FIFA, and rangers

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A hink u need 2 calm doon n stop being paRANOID, maybe its a conspiracy tht rangers gt fined by uefa and ha 2 play behind closed doors, and celtic got reinstated, plus look up the scottish football facts about penaltie bookins etc n tell me if theres a conspiracy

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17 Sep 2011 07:10:50
JQuan those quotes are immense!

Raz

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Cheers Raz. It's all pretty f***ed up isn't it. And we seem powerless to do anything about it.....if presidents of the united states can't do anything, how do we?
JQuan

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Used to think about this stuff too much and ended up getting depressed with the feeling of being just a pawn in the game. On another note, any thoughts on the mayan prediction about 21st december 2012? {Ed033's Note - What Mayan prediction? All there is, is media hype over this date. The Mayan calendar does not end on this date. All that happens on 21 december 2012 is that the the sun conjuncts with the galactic equator of the milky way.}

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The mayan calendar does not end on this date, no. But this age ends then. Think its called the Kali yuga or something.

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17 Sep 2011 00:30:17
“The high office of the President has been used to foment a plot to destroy the American's freedom and before I leave office, I must inform the citizens of this plight.” —President John Fitzgerald Kennedy - In a speech made to Columbia University on Nov. 12, 1963, ten days before his assassination!
JQuan

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17 Sep 2011 00:23:33
...I am convinced that the agreement [Bretton Woods] will enthrone a world dictatorship of private finance more complete and terrible than and Hitlerite dream. It offers no solution of world problems, but quite blatantly sets up controls which will reduce the smaller nations to vassal states and make every government the mouthpiece and tool of International Finance. It will undermine and destroy the democratic institutions of this country - in fact as effectively as ever the Fascist forces could have done -pervert and paganise our Christian ideals; and will undoubtedly present a new menace, endangering world peace. World collaboration of private financial interests can only mean mass unemployment, slavery, misery, degradation and financial destruction. Therefore, as freedom loving Australians we should reject this infamous proposal. -- Labor Minister of Australia, Eddie Ward, during the inception of the World Bank and Bretton Woods, he gave this warning.
JQuan

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17 Sep 2011 00:19:04
"People who will not turn a shovel full of dirt on the project (Muscle Shoals Dam) nor contribute a pound of material, will collect more money from the United States than will the People who supply all the material and do all the work. This is the terrible thing about interest ...But here is the point: If the Nation can issue a dollar bond it can issue a dollar bill. The element that makes the bond good makes the bill good also. The difference between the bond and the bill is that the bond lets the money broker collect twice the amount of the bond and an additional 20%. Whereas the currency, the honest sort provided by the Constitution pays nobody but those who contribute in some useful way. It is absurd to say our Country can issue bonds and cannot issue currency. Both are promises to pay, but one fattens the usurer and the other helps the People. If the currency issued by the People were no good, then the bonds would be no good, either. It is a terrible situation when the Government, to insure the National Wealth, must go in debt and submit to ruinous interest charges at the hands of men who control the fictitious value of gold. Interest is the invention of Satan." — THOMAS A. EDISON
JQuan

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17 Sep 2011 00:12:24
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The Bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create deposits, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of Bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create deposits." — SIR JOSIAH STAMP, (President of the Bank of England in the 1920's, the second richest man in Britain)
JQuan

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17 Sep 2011 00:08:15
"It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." — Henry Ford
JQuan

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