Conspiracy Talk Archive June 18 2013

 

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18 Jun 2013 20:09:01
Bilderberg (The Builders of Society, Berg means the ice berg, you only see the small part above water, the bigger part is hidden), anyway the point of this post is all these meetings, G8, G10, G20, Davos, IMF, WHO, EU, Club of rome, Royal institute of Internation affairs, Trilateral committee, the committe of 300, The Council on foreign relations and the rest all meet in secret to plan our lifes, but we only seem to focus on the bilderberg group.
Murp

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They are called the Bilderberg group because their first meeting was held in a Bilderberg hotel.

That is all

Jimi88

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18 Jun 2013 09:36:54
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This is not a conspiracy related, just a question in regards to Liverpool page.

What has happened to Liverpool rumour site? All you can see is adverts and not the proper site itself. Has it been taken over by someone, who have registered the website or has the liverpool site broken down?

Nim {Ed001's Note - we had problems with it, should be back soon, if it is not already.}

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18 Jun 2013 01:16:26
C'mon people, wake up please.
Putin and Obama are both puppets of the NWO. They control both sides, now I don't profess to know who the NWO are, but it should be pretty obvious to most posters on here that whoever they are, they are certainly controling things.
Their Modus Operandi is divide and rule and its so much easier when you control both sides.
Look at Northern Ireland where the G8 is being held. The absolute praise the 'Peace Process' is getting from Obama.
Well the truth is slightly different to what they would like you to believe.
The IRA split in 1968, forming two seperate organisations, the Official IRA and the Provisional IRA. The 'Provos' advocated a campaign of terrorist warfare against the British. I shall never forgive them for missing Thatcher in Brighton, but I digress.
On the other hand the Official IRA elected to undertake a campaign based on non violent socialist principles and would take part in a referendum or any other meaningful political process. The British Government said that under no circumstances would Northern Ireland be anything other than British.
So the bombing campaign was begun by the Provos who formed their own political party, Sinn Fein. SF stated that their aim was to have a united Ireland. The Provos said they would not stop bombing until the war was won and Ireland was again united. Two sides to the same coin.
Fast forward a few decades of bombs, killing, death, fear, greif, pain and increased police powers. Gerry Adams leader of Sinn Fein along with Martin McGuiness Military Commander of the Provisional IRA do a deal with the British Govt and relent on their only demand that Ireland is united. In return they end up being elected as well paid MPs. You know, murderers made MPs? Does it not seem odd? Responsible for the attempted murder of a PM and allowed to meet the Queen? Then again, at least McGuiness gave her a Masoni handshake.
They now get to rub shoulders with Obama, Putin, et al, at the G8.
The purpose of The Troubles, as some like to call it, was to create fear, to increase control. The 'Peace Process' "showed
what Democracy can do, " said Obama. Unfortunately he is right. His democracy and the democracy of the NWO brings death and destruction. Sound like Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan? Does to me.

MrTrotskysGhost

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Putin hates the NWO He or Russia is not part of the NWO.

Do a search on you Tube and watch Putin's rant against the NWO

Putin has pointed the finger at the NWO for the collapse of the world's economies what other leader did this?

America and Russia do not play good cop, bad cop

Unless you have lived in Russia its a hard place to understand even if you have lived there (and I have) its difficult to understand the russian psyche unless you really get into the russian mindset.

Have you ever been to Russia?

They care not about the west, their nation state has not been broken down and they are very patriotic, they have a totally different idea of their country then people of the west have of their country.

Of course there is bad is Russia there is bad in the UK or Ireland. I am from the czech republic but live in Ireland for a long time now I consider myself as belonging to both countries.

The stupidy that goes on in Ireland (a NWO country like all eu countries) is astounding but really is it stupidy or is it NWO doctrine? Russia may have other problems but is does not have the NWO stupidity.

If you think there's no difference between Russia and the west you are mistaken.

Everyone knows who runs America and the EU its an open secret, if you do some research you'll know too.

These are not the same people who run Russia.

On occasion Russia and america might work togeaher for example scientists from both countries worked on the gnome project and they work on space projects or rather america relies on Russia to go to space that does not make them NWO buddies.

Even countries that don't like each other sometimes so-operate for money or other reasons and sometimes my enemies enemy is my friend, however that does not cover over fundamental differences.

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I think both of you make valid points, if you look at Russia's stance with china and north Korea and Syria all independent countries they publicly stand behind them, why to stop the nwo?i do not think so, I think it is more to protect their assets, to me I look at the USA and Russia as two gangstas the USA need more money and need to shake down more countries and Russia who have plenty and do not need to create wars for money but will screw anyone over if it can get away with it.

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Russia wants to Stop the NWO as once the NWO has encircled Russia and China its WW3 and people in the west would be wise to see this!

Russia does not have substancial assets in north Korea, what are these major assets!

It was Putin who told North Korea to shut up with the rhetoric. Sergei Lavrov had a pain in his aspe with N. Korea as its close to Russia and they did not want america near any of its borders.

China has assets in North Korea though and is much more influential in and Korea than Russia!

Of course Russia was protecting its assets in Syria, Russia has a naval base in Syria and close ties to Syria defending one of your partners does not make a country a Gangster country.

China and Russia have close ties as has India and Russia. While China and India don't get along (china supports Pakistan) that's politics.


to me I look at the USA and Russia as two gangstas the USA need more money and need to shake down more countries

The US is not only looking for Money its looking for influence.

Why was the Col. In Lybia Killed?

Simple he wanted to do away with the dollar for oil and he wanted other countries to come along with him. This would be terrible for the USA both in money and influence terms.


and Russia who have plenty and do not need to create wars for money but will screw anyone over if it can get away with it.

Russia could get away with "screwing over many countries" as you have put it - if it wanted to - but it chooses not to do this. Why? The Russians actually want peace but are not afraid of war.

How many countries has Russia invaded?

To my knowledge the last time russia invaded a country was about 200 years ago. (Russia and the Soviet Union are not the same).

Russia did not start the war with Georgia, Georgia attacked Russians based in enclaves in Georgia and under the Russian constitution Russia must come to aid its people no matter where they are in the world.

Russia has tropps in Syria ready to evacuate thousands of Russian Citizens should the need arise and they will take out any forces that get in their way to accomplish this if they have to. (Special forces don't come better than the Spetsnaz).

Russia has bad press and they don't help themsevles I have endured Russian BS and its not funny. America is constantly telling us how bad they the Russians are for instance a ball player in america who met putin while in George Bush's company many years ago who gave putin his winning ring is now many years later telling the press Putin Stole his ring. I am sure Putin must be Laughing his aspe off.

Of course there are bad Russians there are bad people in every country but where is the Russian aggression towards other countries?

Who are the countries threatened by Russia?

Russia could have done a real number on Georgia but stopped.

Where is the russian invasion map its easy to see the american invasion map just get an atlas and look at where the wars are happening in the world

As for no democracy in Russia its a huge country covers about one tenth of the world's land surface. Russia can be a dangerous hostile place and soft goverence would result in anarchy in Russia, most russian people know Russia needs a firm hand of control.

Where is the democracy in america the american people who were occupying wall street were beaten and sent to prision for this what different to Russia?

America is just better with the press russia cares less.

All those Russian haters should go to Russia its a great adventure, there are plenty of helpful, nice russians and dangerous ones too. If you are nice to the Russians generally they will be nice to you but if you insult them well generally they don't take kindly to mother russia being slagged off.

I have huge respect for the russians as I have for people in most countries. I like the american people its their government that is the problem!

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The NWO is an idea created by a few people, it's a long term business plan, Intergenerational that's 100's maybe even 1000's of years old, at the top there is a few, they are the teachers, the one with Knowledge (Knowledge is power, money is nothing) what you see with Putin, ect is the lower rankers just trying to get their small share of the future. IMO

Murp

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McGuinness and Adams part of the NWO agenda? Seriously mate, I think that's a bit too far fetched even for my sponge-like (maybe gullible) brain.

Martin and Gerry were born in the drab and dreary cities of Belfast and Derry respectively. There is no person on this planet can convince me that they are part of this NWO agenda. They were born into somewhat poverty, viewed as second class citizens in their own country by invaders.

Growing up, like many of us citizens of the North of Ireland, they watched how the simple aspect of where you lived and which religion you followed could have got you, or your family murdered.

They were both members of the 'RA', although it is still disputed just how involved they were. They watched British soldiers take 'pot shots' and create mayhem by killing children in Derry on (Bloody Sunday). They became members of a paramilitary organisation, in the hope that they could claim back their country which was taken from their fellow countrymen before.

'The Troubles' as people like to refer to it, was a continuation of a war that started long before the 70's. After much (too much if you ask me) bloodshed, both here and in mainland Britain, Sinn Fein decided that party politics was the way forward. After more lies from the British government, empty promises, and even lies to the Nationalist people from their own 'spokesmen'. Splinter groups of a Republican mindset have popped up all over the show, there is no real peace on this island. Growing up, most people of the Catholic religion, wanted, as we say "Brits Out". The rest wanted to stay part of Britain. It's still the same.

Adams is now part of the government in the South of Ireland. McGuinness is the deputy minister of the North. Two former top 'Provos' in high positions of government on the island of Ireland. The only agenda they have, is to have a united Ireland again.

However, now even the Nationalists of our country are at logger-heads, they believe Sinn Fein sold us out. Catholic policemen have been blown-up and shot to death as they are viewed as collaborators of Britain.

The country is still in dis-array, and I fear it always will be while Britain still has it's mitts on it. So to say 'The Troubles' were a method of creating fear or control is plain stupid. The stuff going on in this little island has been going on for centuries.

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Listen I agree with a lot of what you say and if I had the choice I would probably trust a Russian politician than a american one but let's not sugar coat it the Russians have been a superpower and may be still one, but to say Russia and the soviet union are not the same is a cop out, ww2 millions died Russia sorry the soviet union gained the eastern block for financial gains in the 90s the soviet union tried to invade Afghanistan, and if I wanted to be picky I could say the last time england invaded anyone was over a 100 years.
let me be clear I do not trust 99.99% of governments.

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Just a small clarification regarding an otherwise interesting post without wanting to seem picky. Gerry adams is a member of the Dail (Irish Parliament) but he is not a member of the Irish government. That privilege belongs to the monstrously arrogant Fianna Gael, and the weak willed Labour party.

Ryan.

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Ryan you eagle eyed mistake spotter lol. Yeah you're right, he isn't a member of the government. In my eyes they're all basically the same though

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Listen I agree with a lot of what you say and if I had the choice I would probably trust a Russian politician than a american one but let's not sugar coat it the Russians have been a superpower and may be still one,


The Russians are a Superpower and the only country that can tell america where to go!


but to say Russia and the soviet union are not the same is a cop out,

The Soviet Unions most feared/hated leader Stalin was not russian he was from georgia.


ww2 millions died Russia sorry the soviet union gained the eastern block for financial gains in the 90s

The eastern blocks were liberated from hitlers grip and the Russians supported the entire soviet block and these states were in in bad financial problems. It sould have been better for Russia to be without these former soviet republics. The Ukraine would in in even more dire financial trouble than it currently is if Russia were to stop paying pension to Ukrainian citizens which it still does.

I think Russia should have left the eastern bloc the war.

Many people think the soviet Union was a terrible place and true it was not great but people had many things for free, free healthcare, free edcuation, the choice to pursue whatever profession they wanted to pursue.

Many of the former ex soviet states still have financial problems and the IMF is in one or two of the states now that they are in the EU.

the soviet union tried to invade Afghanistan,

American set up the soviet union to invade Afghanistan and they fell for it
50,000 soviets died in this war and many others were seriously injured.


and if I wanted to be picky I could say the last time england invaded anyone was over a 100 years.

You could say that but


let me be clear I do not trust 99. 99% of governments.

In Summary
I have not said any government is to be trusted even the Russian one

Just that there is a big difference between Russia and America

The main point Russia is not starting any wars America clearly is:

When Russia and china are encircled with America puppet states America will become more aggressive towards Russia and china and that's when WW3 may occur the Russians and chinese know this that is why they won't let Syria or Iran go without making some sort of stand.

Putin had one put over in him in Lybia and does not want the same thing to happen again.

Russia and china being encircled by american puppet states would be bad for World Peace and that's something we should all be concerned about.

Geogia a puppet state of America attacked Russia people in georgian enclaves after being spured on by america just to see just much Russia could defend itself america then left Geogia maninly high and dry America did send some of its terrorist network to fight in this war but they were easily taken out by the russians.


No government or leader is to be trusted its just that some are a lot worse than others.

For example I admire Nigel Farage he's probably the greatest orator in politics and I think it would be great for Britain if he got Britain out of the EU (hopefully Ireland would go along with Britain) but I doubt he would be good for working class people probably a lot better than the cureent status quo sometimes though it the lesser of two evils.

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Why do you say hopefully Ireland would go along with Britain in getting out of the EU? Are you the same poster who said TrotskyGhost didn't understand the Russian psyche? You may live in Ireland but if you think Ireland will follow Britain out of the EU, then clearly you do not understand the psyche of the Irish people.

Ryan.

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In other words you agree with me then? as for the ukip leader anyone would be good for this country with what we have to choose with, farage is a tory with tory principles and he will screw the working class just as much as Cameron , the two things ukip have got going for them is immigration and pulling out the euro the rest of his manifesto is conservative beliefs.

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In answer to the two last posts

I would hope Ireland would leave the EU with Britain as Ireland has a common corridor with Britain and for one to leave the EU without the other it will pose a lot of problems in the free movement of people between the two islands.

Britain is Irelands biggest trading partner and if Britain left the EU and Ireland remained in the EU the red tape and costs in doing business would no doubt increase and this may adversely effect trading whcih would not be good for Ireland and possibly Britain also?

Some people in Ireland are starting to wake up to the EU not the majority by a long way but some are hopefully it will spread.

I saw a poll in Ireland that suggested around 30% of people would like out of the EU.

Some Conspiracy researchers have visted Ireland over the last while giving talks and its starting to catch on in Ireland but its in its infancy.

I Said Farage may not be the best option for working class people but if he gets Britain out of the EU then I believe he will have done something very positive for Britain and working class people. Sometimes you have to start from bottom and work up to where it needs to go.

Why positive thing has labour or the tories done for British people?

Sometimes You have to take the lesser of two evils and farage is less evil then either the tories or labour in my humble opinion!

Farage won't be the answer to every probelm but getting Britain out of the EU will surely help move things in the right direction?

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Ireland will not exit the EU any time soon. Britain would only do so if there was an obvious long term economic advantage, but in the short term it's highly unlikely. Your simplistic understanding of the Anglo/Irish dynamic is further evidence of your complete failure to understand the Irish psyche. I think you could live in Ireland for another 50 years and you would still not get it. Feel free to continue to embarrass yourself with your patronising and ill informed drivel. There's nothing on tv tonight and I could do with a laugh. And don't leave your name.

Ryan.

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Ireland will not exit the EU any time soon.

I did not say they would merely expressed hope that they would, without hope there is nothing!


Britain would only do so if there was an obvious long term economic advantage, but in the short term it's highly unlikely.

Britain willl leave the EU if the British people get a free vote to leave the EU surely you understand that?

If Farage gets into government that is the prcie any other party in government with him must pay "a free vote for the British people to leave the EU"


Your simplistic understanding of the Anglo/Irish dynamic is further evidence of your complete failure to understand the Irish psyche.

I have not commented on the Anglo/Irish dynamic as you put it merely that Britain and Ireland have huge trade between the two counrtries and that they share a common corridor that would make travel between the two islands more difficult if one was to stay in the EU while the other left!

Please explain to me the Anglo/Irish dynamic?

The only reason the EU is popular is Ireland at the moment is that the people there have been convinced that the ATM's would be dry if Ireland left the EU.


I think you could live in Ireland for another 50 years and you would still not get it.

And you do? Please enlighten me?

You have not put one point accross only taken things out of context!


Feel free to continue to embarrass yourself with your patronising and ill informed drivel.

Please inform me, so far you have contributed nothing?

Tell me what you think?


There's nothing on tv tonight and I could do with a laugh.

Maybe if you spent less time on TV and more time finding out how the world wortks it would serve you better?

And don't leave your name.

Mr. Nobody!

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Mr. Nobody, you said, "I would hope Ireland would leave the EU with Britain as Ireland has a common corridor with Britain".
A common corridor? What’s that?



"Britain willl leave the EU if the British people get a free vote to leave the EU surely you understand that?"

David Cameron wants a referendum before the end of 2017. The likelyhood is that Britain will have renegotiated it’s EU position before then, and that will have a huge influence on the outcome of any proposed referendum. As I said in the short term Britain leaving the EU is unlikely. Do you understand that?



You have commented on the Anglo/Irish dynamic quite a bit actually. But you see it in a very black and white way. Your hope that Ireland would follow Britain out of the EU is misguided, and indicative of a lack of understanding of how the Irish think. Ireland will not follow Britain. There is a strong emotional bond between the two countries. It’s a complicated and subtle relationship, as our shared history is full of tragedy, but there is great respect and affection between the two peoples today. Ireland today is finally shedding the post-colonial self consciousness and finding it’s own identity. Ironically, and for a completely different set of reasons, so too is Britain. Ireland and Britain will remain economically and emotionally extremely close regardless of EU membership. Being in the EU is very important to Irish people. The most recent Red C poll this year shows that 85% of Irish people want Ireland to remain in the EU. But polls can be misleading at the best of times and I always take them with a pinch of salt.

You go on to say “The only reason the EU is popular is Ireland at the moment is that the people there have been convinced that the ATM's would be dry if Ireland left the EU”. “Some people in Ireland are starting to wake up to the EU not the majority by a long way but some are hopefully it will spread”.

Your view of Irish people’s lack of understanding of the EU is arrogant and patronising.
“Maybe if you spent less time on TV and more time finding out how the world works it would serve you better?”
By the way, I don’t own a television, so I can’t spend less time on it.
Ryan.

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Mr. Nobody, you said, "I would hope Ireland would leave the EU with Britain as Ireland has a common corridor with Britain".
A common corridor? What’s that?



You need to understand if Britain leaves the EU and Ireland stays in the EU the common corridor would would in jeopardy!

Before you comment on something you should become educated on it? The ccommon corridor is important to the 300,000 plus British people that live in Ireland and to many of the 6M British people that claim Irish in there family tree and travel to Ireland.

"Britain willl leave the EU if the British people get a free vote to leave the EU surely you understand that?"

David Cameron wants a referendum before the end of 2017. The likelyhood is that Britain will have renegotiated it’s EU position before then, and that will have a huge influence on the outcome of any proposed referendum. As I said in the short term Britain leaving the EU is unlikely. Do you understand that?



No I don't understand that and here's why - Nigel Farage once in Government wants a Referendum on Britain EU membership whether Mr. Cameron renegotiates Britain's EU membership or not also the current UK Government might not get to its full term?

Also Mr. Farage and UKIP are likely to be in the next Government and so the British people will get their vote on EU membership and it may be before 2017.

Mrs. Merkel has also said Britain cannot re-negotiate its EU membership is she joking at this time?

You have commented on the Anglo/Irish dynamic quite a bit actually.

Please illustrate where and how?

But you see it in a very black and white way. Your hope that Ireland would follow Britain out of the EU is misguided,

Why is it misguided? You make comments but never back them up!

And indicative of a lack of understanding of how the Irish think.

Many Irish people I know don't want to be in the EU but feel they have no choice as the country is in such dire financial propblems.

Infact Ireland could not have got into the financial mess its in today if it was not a member of the EU as it would have been unable to get access to the vast funds it got from EU bankers if it stayed outside of the EU.

Ireland will not follow Britain.

I never said it would merely expressed hope it would and cited problems that would be created by one country staying within the EU and the other leaving the EU.

John Bruton former Irish Prime Minister has highlighted these problems he wants both Britain and Ireland to remain in the EU though.

There is a strong emotional bond between the two countries. It’s a complicated and subtle relationship, as our shared history is full of tragedy, but there is great respect and affection between the two peoples today. Ireland today is finally shedding the post-colonial self consciousness and finding it’s own identity. Ironically, and for a completely different set of reasons, so too is Britain. Ireland and Britain will remain economically and emotionally extremely close regardless of EU membership.

I would not disagree with this in broad terms!


Being in the EU is very important to Irish people.

No its not, its important to some people and most probably for the wrong reasons such as Irish government brainwashing.

The most recent Red C poll this year shows that 85% of Irish people want Ireland to remain in the EU. But polls can be misleading at the best of times and I always take them with a pinch of salt.

If you don't believe in Polls why cite them?

The Government in Ireland want the EU and they have told the people in Ireland over and over again that Ireland has no future without the EU. I am many other people in Ireland don't believe this.

You go on to say “The only reason the EU is popular is Ireland at the moment is that the people there have been convinced that the ATM's would be dry if Ireland left the EU”. “Some people in Ireland are starting to wake up to the EU not the majority by a long way but some are hopefully it will spread”.

Your view of Irish people’s lack of understanding of the EU is arrogant and patronising.

Really how is it arrogant and patronizing? Tease it out and form an opinion as to why?

The EU has been bad for Ireland (more anon) and all you do is just just throw insults never explaining how my post is arrogant and patronising.

Here's some of the reasons the EU is bad for Ireland

Ireland cannot be in Monetary Union with the mighty German economy and prosper its virtuallly impossibe what's good for Germany economically is bad for Ireland economically. David McWilliams has wrote extensively on this in the Sunday Business Post and elsewhere.

Ireland has no control over the euro its cannnot set its own exchange rates, its locked in to the euro.

Ireland has handed over 80% of its fishing rights over to the EU. If Ireland had its full fishing rights thousands of Jobs could be created.

I could go on but I have to work.

“Maybe if you spent less time on TV and more time finding out how the world works it would serve you better?”
By the way, I don’t own a television, so I can’t spend less time on it.
Ryan.

Very good you don't own a TV dosn't stop you watching what's on it according to your own post earlier in the thread!

Thanks to the Eds for facilitating this thread but I am done with it.

Mr. Nobody!

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