Conspiracy Talk Archive November 18 2011

 

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18 Nov 2011 23:21:26
agreed with the guy who proposed the more meritocratic system. Another thing that needs sorting is the legal system. Was just watching spiral the french legal drama. And in france they have investigating magistrates independent of the executive. And i quote "its more fairer than the anglo saxon system where you need money to get the best lawyers"

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18 Nov 2011 21:46:37
ed , do you personally think something big will happen in 2012 or do you think it ill just pass by, so to speak? if so what do think it will be or want it to be? thanks mate.
huddz red {Ed001's Note - I think it will be exactly the same as 2000, nothing will happen.}

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Sorry ed but what was suppose to happen in 2000?

Irish Red {Ed001's Note - depends on who you spoke to, but 7th Day Adventists, amongst others, believed it was going to be the end of the world.}

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Ok cheeers for the response mate, what bout you ed 033?
huddz red
{Ed033's Note - 2012 will probably be like 2011 but worse. More earth changes ie more floods, more violent weather. More natural disasters than 2011 i.e. more larger earthquakes. Even more economic problems than 2011 and a lot of hype from the media about 2012 being the end of the world but most of us will still be here in 2013. I really hope we don't allow WW3 to take place.}

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Isn't something supposed to happen with the magnetic field?

{Ed033's Note - The magnetic field is in the middle of changing, the completion of this current magnetic flip may not take place for up to another 200 years, although it may happen much sooner. It is unlikely the completion of the magnetic flip will take place in 2012.}

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Hi all, according to what you read into, it's pretty obvious the end of the world is not set for 2012. IF the Illuminati stuff is true, then expect some big global leader to be elected to rule from Israel for starters. Then between 2012 and 2023 expect massive changes in ruling in that area of the world (Zion). Apparently, 2012 is just the beginning. It isn't the day the world ends. The mayans didn't predict the end of the world is 2012, they just stopped their calenders then. Something significant will start but may be so subtle it goes unnoticed, and is something that is instead traced back to 2012 in years to come when people start wondering when 'it' started.

The whole 2000 thing was rubbish - it was some cyber geek's assumption that the new digital era would self-implode as it did not know how to handle to turning of the millennium. Many then cottoned onto this and ran with it and forecast world-wide economic collapse etc. Rather like the end scene of fight club where all the accounts go back to zero.

Then there are people who tried to make it seem significant for the sake of it and said things like the human race is going to nuke itself into extinction. Why would we have done that just because the date changed?!

Raz

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18 Nov 2011 17:37:53
Just something different what do yous think about the Paul is dead conapiracy its one I have always liked what yous think ..... rfc man

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Completely false in my opinion.

Firstly, finding a scouse, slightly lookey likey, singer songwriter, left handed bass player is some job description.

Some of the photo comparisons i've seen that show a difference in appearance in a very short period of time could easily be the result of being a music star and all the trappings that go with it.

Constant recording, touring, publicity exercises, partying and very frequent use of recreational drugs would have a noticable effect on anyone.

Some of those i can vouch for!

Paragon
{Ed033's Note - I don't think there is enough evidence that Paul did die and was replaced. Here is supposedly a comparison picture but doesn't prove anything - www.talkconspiracy.co.uk/ar_6.php

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I don't personally believe it myself its just one iv always liked if u play songs backwards u hear Msgs like pauls dead and the cover work with the clues on it and just some of the lyrics in there songs its always been one where i don't wish anyrhing bad to anyone but ud love it to be true ..... rfc man
{Ed033's Note - If you play any recording of spoken language backwards you will here something - reversespeech.com/home.htm

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LOL fair enough. Ed I guess I'm just a sucker for those ones like Paul Elvis and there is even a mj one kicking about
{Ed033's Note - There is a Lord Lucan conspiracy but that one is true.}

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I think it was just Lennon being a practical joker. He knew people would be on this for years.

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Jim Morrisons death was all a bit mysterious , and he had a motive to
fake it, it seems more plausible than
the others to me.

JR

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What can you tell us about Lord Lucan Ed033. I've have always wondered about that since a teacher at school told us about him.

Padawan
{Ed033's Note - Allegedly, Lord Lucan wanted his wife out of the way so he concocted a plan. The plan was to hit his wife over the head when she was walking upstairs just before bedtime with drinks as she always did and then blame her death as an accident falling down the stairs and hitting her head.

Unfortunately, this particular evening, the maid brought the drinks up instead of his wife and Lucan killed the maid. When he realised the mistake, he went looking for his wife presumably to kill her. She quickly realised what he was going to do and kicked him in his groin and ran out of the house and escaped.

Lucan then telephoned a friend of his (don't know which one) and another plan has hatched where Lucan was to take some clothes and drive to the beach and place the clothes on the beach near to the sea and then wait to be picked up to go to a safe house and then be smuggled out of the country and looked after.

The news media printed that he had committed suicide.}

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So his wife was still about after he vanished? Any clue where he ended up and with who's help?

Padawan
{Ed033's Note - Yes his wife was still about and the mystery is where did Lord Lucan go and with who's help.}

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The friend he rang and who flew him out of the country was Graham hill, father of
F1 driver Damon Hill.

JR

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18 Nov 2011 11:06:06
Why are we all surprised when our elected leaders turn out to be self serving, liein' two faced back stabbing Bas****ds? Surly to be capable of climbing the greasy pole that is politics in today's world they are exactly the skills you would need to rise to the top.
Call me naive but I was told in school that democracy was about being able to vote in a member of Parliament who would represent the collective views of his supporters. Now it seems that the orders come from the top down and not the bottom up, so to speak. As to who give our leaders their instructions is open to debate, as these pages are a testament. "The meek ain't gunna inherit she@" as a wise man once said.
I.V Lennin

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I actually thought that when we voiced our opinion about the political frailities in our country that the politicians were having a vote on a new system. Suilly me. It was turned around by the politians to a vote a system on how we voted instead of an abolition of the party political clap trap that we all have to endure and all the party political nonsense that drags our country down. I'm not usually so dim but heyho, we all have bad days. Chugs

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But how can you get rid of political parties? Sorry if i have misread that butt hats the impression i got when you meant the party political claptrap.

Also i assume that you mean the recent vote on that AV system. Well i for one voted against and am glad that it lost. It was desogned only to benefit the Lib Dems who knew they would pick up millions of 2nd votes and would have meant that they would have always had the power over whoever formed a govt. We would have had this coalition mess after every election. We would have ended up in as a bad a mess as Italy. 40 changes since 1946. Coalitions always provide weak govt. {Ed001's Note - parties do need to be abolished. Our MP is meant to represent the people of his/her constituency, but they are not doing that but instead representing their party. If ever they do decide to do the job they were elected to, whips come out and put a stop to it.}

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But then ed surely thats more the system that needs changing and not the parties. Abolish whips, install an electronic voting system that just counts the votes and not who voted so they have a degree of anonymity and can vote with their conscience or in line with what their constituents have said.

If you abolish the parties then you lose the choice of candidate. How would you choose candidates with no party system? How could you even form a govt with out parties? You;d just have 600 odd independents trying to form a govt, who would be in charge?

Or do you favour Parliament becoming just a legislative body more liek the American House of Representitives? But then you'd need a body similar to the Senate, and you'd have the same problems of electing it. Would you have power in the hands of an executive like the President, but how do you choose him? Just have anyone who cna afford it throw their name in at an elcetion time and have them battle it out on the issues, no party lines? Would you like to see someone like Blair in a fight against a Murdoch backed figure?

Sorry if i've waffled on but their are a lot of permutations. {Ed001's Note - I didn't say I had all the answers, but the current system is certainly not a good one and it needs to be upgraded and improved.}

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No Ed its not perfect but before changing it, change needs to be carefully considered lest we make things worse.

I'm not sure i could stomach President Blair and First Lady Cherie. God i've got chills thinking about it.

I think it needs to be in small steps. Getting rid of the whips and a more free voting system in Parliament would be a good first step.

{Ed033's Note - A good first step is to start moving towards mike montagne's mathematically perfected economy - www.perfecteconomy.com/wp/

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Yes Ed that would be a good step, but i wouldn't trust the current politicians or the current system to implement it. i think that the politics needs to be changed first in order to drive the economic and societal changes needed.

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My point re an end to party politics was really a cry, maybe, for GB to become GBPLC with the best people in the highest positions competing for our country against the rest of the world instead of the in fighting we have against each other in the name of party politics. Just a thought, nothing more.
{Ed033's Note - Very valiant of you but the United Kingdom is probably still trading as a corporation but under a different name - www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/formation_and_disbandment_of_the

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Once upon a time in a land far away we had political parties that were actually different from one an other. That represented widespread views. Then came the rush for the centre ground,they were all a little right or left of center and now it's hard to tell the difference. So why is it that the younger generation are so disconected and is it a suprise that they don't bother to vote. No so hard to figure out is it? Bring the EU into the picture and now you have what they call the "Political Class" I find that scary. It's not democracy when you don't have a choice. Time to take it back is what I say or as Ghandi said get them with the numbers!
I.V Lenin

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18 Nov 2011 11:05:08
viva la revolucion!

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Bourgeois parlimentarianism, the highest state of society.
(No way)
Third World debt, Third World exploitation.
(Damn)
What a society we're living in,
(You're right, I.V.)
Selling Third World drugs at First World prices!
They say Lenin was wrong. Who says?
(That's right)
It's enough to give me the f**king blues.

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18 Nov 2011 11:04:39
Why are we all surprised when our elected leaders turn out to be self serving, liein' two faced back stabbing Bas****ds? Surly to be capable of climbing the greasy pole that is politics in today's world they are exactly the skills you would need to rise to the top.
Call me naive but I was told in school that democracy was about being able to vote in a member of Parliament who would represent the collective views of his supporters. Now it seems that the orders come from the top down and not the bottom up, so to speak. As to who give our leaders their instructions is open to debate, as these pages are a testament. "The meek ain't gunna inherit she@" as a wise man once said.
I.V Lennin

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17 Nov 2011 23:24:16
I cant believe that most people do not see what is happening right now, they are either really stupid, hypnotized or just dont give a f***! Although some people are waking up, its not enough. Its time that those of us who is awake did more (peacefully). I have children and i dont want them to be, at best an economic slave or at worst, well i dont dare to think.

{Ed033's Note - What is your solution?}

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I'm in no way advocating violence, but I truly feel that current power structure is constructed so that peacefull protest will prove ineffectual. The political infrastructure in the developed world can ignore protests because they do not impact change. This by design so that change can only come through violence; Therefore leading to a greater likelyhood that the majority of society will dismiss those calling for change as narrow minded hooligans. Also the powers that be know that idea of violence goes against everything those of us who really want change stand for. They have safeguarded themselves in a way that change can only be made through a sacrifice of one values and a continuation of the current cycle of harming others for ones own gain. I'm sure there is a way to impact change without such drastic measures but I stand inept to figure out what it is. However I do know that the tried and true means of the usual protests are inefectual and a new theory must be devised

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My solution is to get a internet campaign to forums like this to every nation around the world and for one day for every week NO ONE buys petrol, a big ask i know but it would be a small step in the right direction,you can even have a peacefull protest now like in new york or london,but if the word gets about striking once a week they cant make you buy petrol.
frankyscouse {Ed001's Note - those kind of protests don't work though mate, because the day after more petrol than ever is bought because people need it. If you want to protest about oil, stop using your car altogether.}

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Edd they dont work because we have never in history carried our actions out,so if it was a world wide strike and for instance they did raise the petrol prices the next day ,well then it would be two days of action against oil prices, pie in the sky you might think but its gonna take something like this that is peacefull or the other option a worldwide revolution ,i think most people would go the peacefull way.
frankyscouse {Ed001's Note - people will still need to buy petrol, it will do nothing until people start changing over to other means of transport.}

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Thats the problem with any kind of economic boycott, they've got you by the short and curlies, whatever you boycott you are going to need to go and buy it at some point, whether its a day, 2 days, a week or whatever.

The only thing we could do is all refuse to pay tax, like back in the poll tax riots. They couldn't imprison everyone after all. But there would still be a cost. Some people still thousands in unpaid tax don't they?

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