Conspiracy Talk Archive September 19 2012

 

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19 Sep 2012 23:09:01
Apologies but got a bit of keyboard diarrhoea, just watching exorcist, does anybody actually believe in them? Or have a different theory/previous experience ed/anyone?

Supasub

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I personally believe that angels deamons and ghosts are inter dimensional beings and that we do have a soul that passes to the next dimension hence the reason we lose wieght when we die. i do not belive there is a god and devil per say but maybe someone/thing that sorts out where souls go. ive had a few beers so forgive the rambling.
hudd redd

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I believe in theres something alien out there, somewhere, certainly. Ghosts and spirits on the other hand I find difficult to believe are anything other than the product of imagination and fables.

Huws

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Could the weight not be attributed to the loss of energy in the form of heat, electrical, air escaping from our lungs ect.
Andrew {Ed001's Note - cooling down would make the body heavier, not lighter, as would air leaving the lungs.}

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19 Sep 2012 22:36:02
supasub and ed1 thats the point i was trying to make. Its not the fault of the frontline staff in public services its the fault of the management. The management is poor. Its chaotic, badly run. People i work with are complaining how the schools are messing their kids around with staff changes. I myself wasn't too happy with my recent a and e experience. There are many more. I do not blame front line teachers, nurses and police and these problems are not restricted to just public services. Look at how the banks are ran. I just think that its too much of a coincidence that virtually everything around from schools to the health service to the banks and so on are so badly ran by persons that screw things up to the detriment of the people. This mismanagement of the country goes back to thatcher and continued under blair. I'm just saying its surely not an accident that things are ran so badly. Its common sense to cut waste, unnecessary paperwork and spend money on whats needed but they never do it. Why? There's too many vested interests by the establishment in milking the system instead of doing the best they can for the people and instead front line staff take the blame.

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Apologies, just giving an opinion based on my own experience. I run a business that employs approx 30 people and I admit I just look at the bottom line first and the cost of everything before I consider how the employee's are. There I've said it and I think alot of other private/plc business's are the same. My intention is always good but my actions/management is pretty bad.

Supasub

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19 Sep 2012 22:20:36
to the guy (?) asking about jfk, sinatra, monroe and the mafia if the editors can't help i will put some stuff up tomorrow evening. Mort {Ed001's Note - I have nothing online regarding any of those, me mam would be better to ask, she has hundreds of books on those subjects.}

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There is a theory I have seen somewhere that JFK had divulged to Marilyn Monroe that he'd seen "things from outer space" and that he was going to tell the people of their existence and the rest as they say is history! Not saying its true but I do like the theory!

Supasub

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He was like many others past and present killed by the ILLUMIANTI.

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Ok couple of bits i youtubed

youtube.com/watch?v=9Q22tyH3-Q0 does only focus on the tsbd building but does show the (deliberately?) sloppy investigation of the crime scene.

youtube.com/watch?v=l6j7QF0CBUo&feature=related ok bit odd but very different haven't heard this one before. Worth reading just the posters comments some very interesting stuff which as i say i'd never heard before, i think its a bit banana's but also disturbing, i do think that family had some sort of involvement....

I've also copied this from one of the replies as it goes with what the guy originally asked.

"The mob killed Kennedy because JFK had Marilyn Monroe killed. She wanted to be Mrs.JFK. JFK had the same doc as Sam Giancona and Frank Sinatra. MM(also friends with Frank Sinatra). JFK had the doc prescribe sleeping pills that were 4 times the dosage.They didn't tell her this, so it looks like an accidental OD. The mob finds out and has kennedy killed in public."

There are literally millions of words out there in print and thousands of hours of footage, we will never know the truth i think.

Mort

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Do a search for the real zap ruder film

The one where the driver puts a bullet in his head

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The thing to be aware of about this incident is the papers held by the FBI related to it are released into the public domain after 70 years. So we should have a better understanding of what really happened around about 2033 xD

Huws

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Thank you for all your replys guys will be sure to keep you informed if i find anything and as for frankyscouse google was the first place i looled hence posting to the ed's and the gang thanks (y) {Ed001's Note - there are such a great wealth of books available, I will try and get me mam to give me a list of those she recommends. You should be able to find ebook versions of them with a bit of luck. I am not so sure if she will be helpful with regards to Sinatra and JFK, but she certainly has read a fair amount on Monroe and her death. She has always maintained her death was a cover up.}

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19 Sep 2012 18:31:48
this is a conspiracy but there's a bit of a build up so bear with me. Wherever i go, at work, the pub, travelling around, listening and talking with friends and colleagues or casually listening to strangers conversations once the humdrum daily stuff of the sport or soaps or which celebrity is doing what to who conversations always turn to what matters to people. Their lives and their families. People talk about their kids, their elderly relatives. And no matter what its always the poor services received. Whether its schools, hospitals or the council it always comes down to the level of service is poor. And it always comes down to everything is poor due to bad management. Now my question is this: is everything in this country deliberately ran poorly? No matter which colour runs things blue or red its always the same poor services whilst screwing you over on stuff like petrol. So it must be deliberate. Hope that makes sense.

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I don't necessarilly agree with the service's bit. My wife is a staff nurse and as far as I'm concerned the majority of them do a great job. The problem is they are target driven, scrutinised and sometimes prosecuted for making mistakes and get frequently verbally and physically abused.
The same can be said for schools and the police to some extent. What I don't agree with is when they complain of lack of funds like the police when driving top of the range/ modified german fleet cars instead of british cars (if there are any left?) and in both the police force and NHS people at the top earning 150kpa to 250k+ pa some of which have no true experience in the actual proffession. Then I meet policemen and teachers who just do the best within the parameters they are given.
Community spirit and family life will get stronger one day hopefully but I fear it will just continuously dwindle away. Thats life i suppose...where's the vino tinto?

Supasub {Ed001's Note - I think more to the point is that nurses and the like are no longer doing the job they should be doing. They are drowning in paperwork, which is stopping them from actually nursing etc.}

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Personaly i thnk because we are all told that we are in recession and prices rise (petrol, etc,etc) it crates a negativity and that negativity spreads so more people moan and bitch, whereas if we were not in recesseion and things were good then people would be more positve. i suppose i people dont exactley realise what they already have and just be happy with that - it is much easier to moan.
huddz red

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Your right ed, the amount of forms they have to fill in just for someone new on the ward being assessed, ethnic belief questions, h&s questions...you know the rest, they are more journalists than nurses now.

Supsub {Ed001's Note - a nurse should be nursing and not pushing a pen round a desk, it is just wrong.}

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Ed001 u got it bang right there. My mum has been a nurse for nearly 40 years and she said the paperwork in the last 5 years alone has increased 10 fold. Nurses should nurse and if there is paperwork to be done, surely the ward clerk should have it done. I'm proud of what my mum has done for her profession, and the majority of patients that pass thru are complimentary towards her and her colleagues. The ones that let them down are the ones behind desks that are paid stupid money to make bullsh*t decisions and the government.

Aaron

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I predict a future where your fuel prices will be directly dependant upon your willingness to "sign up" to stores or services in return for discounted fuel. I am not on about money off coupons here, I am talking about you having to hand over your name and address, phone number car reg etc etc which people always do to save 10 pence here and there. This will be done to ensure you are loyal to the store offering the service/fuel and it will be possible to monitor each and every persons direct fuel usage and use this to set prices accordingly.
I wait patiently for the day when people realise its their own lazyness thats being used against them in this system to rip them off. Park up the cars, vans and lorries and start using the feet you were born with to get around. I bet fuel prices would miraculously manage to come down then eh? This could apply to most things around us. Anyone think they are paying to much for their television subscriptions these days? The trouble is you see, your still paying it. While you carry on paying their over inflated prices, they'll carry on charging them.

Huws
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19 Sep 2012 16:46:25
right this is a question to all football supporters,with the Liverpool man u game coming up and the threat of united fans marring the 96 do you feel that football has gone more global since the introduction of the epl that you get a hell of a lot more floaters(floaters meaning not born within the city) and try to sing dodgy songs to prove there worth?,i am in my 40s and am ashamed to say i sung the Munich song when i was a kid on the kop(to be honest at the time i never really understood it) and i was ignorant,as i grew older i realized what the song meant and never sang it again,then hysel and Hillsborough happened and to my knowledge its never been sung at anfeild again,i have just read something this guy from Manchester has wrote basically Manchester and Liverpool are pretty much alike ,socialism/working class/hate the government and feel the media has a love in with anything southern based,lets get one thing clear i can not stand Manchester united , i hate them, my dad did and i cringe when they win something,do i respect them as a club?i would be a Muppet if i said no,of course you have to respect them and red nose and the footy they play,do i hate everyone from Manchester? no in fact i have met a few good lads from salford that are bitter man u fans ,so why the dodgy songs still being sung?my conclusion is you have prob a minority off bellends locally singing the songs and the out of towners eager to fit in to there club joining in with the songs,time for genuine fans to out them.
frankyscouse

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I totally agree with you, great post, there will always be a small minority that shame every club unfortunately , where I come from I have a lot of friends who support man utd and some mention we are murderers meaning what happened in heysel all those years ago in 85 and meaning hillsborough etc..... It saddens me that people still go on and on about it! Whats even worse is some use to support liverpool when they were young........Liverpool and man utd are very alike in a lot of ways, more than people realise.....I hate man utd as much as the next guy but you have to respect them as a
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Andy

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Firstly any person who disrespects the victims of Hillsborough is not a true fan and i am ashamed that they would in anyway be associated with my club and anyone caught doing it should get a life ban for all stadiums. End of.

As a club we have experienced tragedy, with the aircrash and should be standing shoulder to shoulder with our neighbours, especially given the similiarities between the cities as Franky said. Our cities have contributed so much to the culture of this country, virtually all the best bands come from one or the other city.

However the rivalry kicks in and this rivalry is always stirred up by the London based media in order to keep us from uniting together.

The sad thing is a lot of fans do not know the clubs history. The '58 side exists only in black and white photo's and a few clips of film. Most don't know our greatest manager played for Liver pool (and City) back in the 30's. Most do not know the role Liverpool played after the crash.

I'll admit like Franky (but from the opposite viewpoint) that you are not my favourite club and a couple of your players i downright detest, but your achievements have to be respected and i do respect you compared to the Cities and Chelsea's of this world and persons like John Terry.

In all any fan who is stupid or insensitive enough to do anything come match day please do not think that this is the general attitude of all United fans, they are very much in the minority. Please feel free to check out the messages on the United page.

Lastly good luck in your continuing efforts against the corruption and in finally bringing those responsible to justice and the truth.

Justice for the 96 for they will never walk alone.

Mort

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Franky I deffo agree with the media's soft spot for teh southern clubs. It's so infuriating. They can do nothing wrong. Like the Chelsea fans singing abuse about hisborough haven't hardly been reported at all. The John terry rascim row to me seemed so much less condemed than Suarez's. Just seems like everybody in todays society supports one of the London clubs
Jman

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Nice1 mort.
frankyscouse

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Yeah I agree with you Andy, there are a minority of man utd fans were I live and they chant murderers etc, it gets me all Angre inside n hurts so much but I just laugh it off, I think another good point is that quite a lot of man utd fans I know supported a different team pre 1992/93 etc, but that's football and everyone can support whoever they want to

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Nice words mort

sdk - lfc

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My brother in law is a man utd fan and he is appalled by the crap that the "fans" sing. An former friend of mine was always singing about Munich, but if anyone said a bad word about Hillsborough he would go off like a rocket. Once double standards where pointed out to him he threw a strop sayin "f**k them, they're only mancs". For me that is too much of a bad attitude and lack of compassion, so I dropped him as a mate. I agree that us and utd are very similar. Both massive clubs with a fantastic history. Both have world wide support and hugely passionate fans. What most fans don't know is that we sent five players to Manchester so that they could fulfil their remaining fixtures.

If you want to sing these pathetic songs about Munich or Hillsborough, the do the real fans a favour. F**k off back under your rocks and do it where we can't hear it you gang of disrespectful bellends. I hope nothing like that ever happens to your families. You soon change your tune.

Aaron

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Its deeply routed in our culture as brits, insulting or mickey taking whatever we want to call it, and to make it more effective we take it to the extreme and go for the most offensive thing we can think of, I think it its a culture thing, being a rangers fan I know too well, ive sung anti catholic songs in the past and Im against all religions as regulars on here will know, its hard to explain its disgusting but it will allways happen because were human, I do hope sunday goes ok though or the media will have a field day, you know theyre begging for something to happen thats what they do......

Matt_RFC

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Most man united fans aren't from Manchester anyway, what difference does it make? Who ever sings it should really think about what their saying. BLUEBOY1

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19 Sep 2012 16:46:11
Hi Guys, im a first time poster and massive fan of the site was just wondering if anyone could push me in the direction of where to start on the relationships of Frank Sinatra, Marilyn Monroe and JFK and the links to mafia and deaths etc would be much appreciated or if any of you guys have any opinions especially as i heard of an exchange between jfk's dad and sinatra following the election just cant find a source to prove it

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Try google it mate
frankyscouse

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Not sure, Ive also heard loads that sinatra was "well in" with the maffia, even my granddad told me that and he's 92! JFK in my opinion was killed because he was going have the govenment print dollars backed by silver (fact), and he was starting to talk publicly about secret societies

Matt_RFC

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Yes your right owners of the federal reserve who are Illuminati decided he had to go or their paper money debt project would of been killed off.

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19 Sep 2012 04:48:45
has any body on here heard about that spy found dead in a bag, zip up lock with a pad lock, the key to the lock was found under the bag. the guy was from the same town as me in anglesey. there is no way he could get into the bag then lock it. strange.

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Leave your name next time mate , yes we done this subject when it first came out,dodgy as hell why he got killed,would not have a clue why.
frankyscouse

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He was a very academic mathmatician and only just got employed as a code breaker for MI5 or MI6. My guess is he maybe did to good a job! I've posted before about it and his death has a bit of a Russian tinge about it.

Supasub

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Yeh i remember your post supasub now,the only thing i am sure off about hes death is,it was a warning whoever killed him done it in a way that let everyone know that no one is safe,i mean being found in a bag locked from the inside is strange in its self but hes death was like a godfather warning as well,horses head in the bed.
frankyscouse

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