Conspiracy Talk Archive September 20 2011

 

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20 Sep 2011 22:40:08
You must google a guy called dr micheal wolf. This guy advises tv channels what u.f.o material to air. He says that we are being weened into the idea of introducing alien races to us that have been here for years. Comin eds u must agree that the amount of programs and documentarys that are on tv at the moment that there could be done truth in this. He says all will be revealed by 2036.

Kee {Ed033's Note - To me it's obvious that people are gradually being conditioned through the media, so that if they have to/when the time is right, they can easily disclose that there are indeed Extra Terrestrials. }

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The aliens may only be symbolic of another meaning.

The illuminati are big into symbolism.

The aliens could be just to condition us for accepting dominant owners

I don't believe the alien thing there is not enough evidence however there is plenty of evidence that the hidden hand exists.


The hidden hand

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20 Sep 2011 23:47:28
chinese troops in america? Proof?

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According to an East European News Agency 30,000 Chinese troops entered America in 2008 to protect assets as the impact of the financial meltdown was being felt.

The Amercian governement does not trust their own troops to turn against their own people in times of a crisis however the chinese troops wont suffer this problem.

However why are the number of chinese troops being increased?

Is their another financial crisis looming?

What is the significance of Trucks that can drive themselves?

Whay were Fema camps or similar not used for those caught up in the great Hurricane that done so much damage in New Orleans?

America has a machine the HARRP stolen from the Russians that Controls the weather, was Haiti, Japan and New Orleans mother nature or the HARRP?

Conspiracy theories often raise more questions than answers.


America does not try to hide the HARRP often the thing that is in full view is less seen that something that is hidden?


The hidden hand

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Shortly before the Hurricane that struck Japan billions of dollars was paid by Japan to America there has never been an explanation as to what the payment was for?

As there were no loans due for paymment at this time, why did japan pay america so much money?

The hidden hand

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The HARRP is capable of Hurricanes and other extreme weather conditions

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HAARP is very real and dangerous piece of tech, can't remember what it stands for, but you can find out on the web. Eg Google

It's believed to have been used in a lot of recent natural disasters, but who knows.

Like HAARP, project blue beam is another interesting project, believed to have produced the supposed sighting of virgin Mary in Africa ( check YouTube ) and the Norway vortex.
The Norway vortex is one of the best covered happenings in recent times, though we were told it was a rocket! Lol
If you haven't seen it, check it out and you can't help but to agree, that sure asks f*** ain't no rocket. Sadly though, no one knows what it really is!

Peace

Jay {Ed033's Note - Virgin mary in the sun/sky video - www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhfqNlvEZtQ }

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20 Sep 2011 23:28:56
The illumati group murdered lady Diana because they didn't want her to get married to a muslim.

Any thoughts?

Azza

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I wouldn't necessarily say that, but I'd say they murdered her because she knew exactly what was going on. She wanted no part in it and wanted to marry for love not bloodline, so she got dealt with. Effing sick if you ask me.

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Princess diana was becoming more popular and more "human" than the monarchy a dangerous thing.

All monarchies are closely aligned with the illuminati and many monarchs have been high ranking illuminati members what do that tell you about them and about Diana?

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When a country loses it monarchy the elites the rich and poweful in business replace them so becoming a free state is just changng one set of owners for another!

Either way the illuminati are still in charge, think about in western society how the goverment, banks, insurance comapnies, oil companies, doctors, the medical system all operate, can anyone honestly say they operate in the public's best interest?

All the rules of these places favor the rich and powerful often to the detriment of the working class?

The hidden hand

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When Diana divorced charles where would the control lie with the future King of England, Diana's children?

Is the Monarchy protective over Diana's children?

Were the two sons of Diana royalty first and sons of Dians Second?

Did any of this have a bearing on what happend to Diana?

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20 Sep 2011 22:11:48
Further to the space lizard comment. There was a fight between agents and greys while engineers were working on dulce underground base in new Mexico. In a lecture a guy called phil schneider talks of there being a few races of e.ts down there. One of them was reptilian. He says they have been there for years experimenting on us in exchange fir there technology. He calls it new world order. A guy called bob Uhouse also talks of this on youtube. Must see.

Kee

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20 Sep 2011 20:56:04
Bin Laden has been dead years! he was used as a hate figure by the illuminate to pin the blame on 9/11 for

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I think there's little doubt about that!

Even Obama who is great at BS looked uncomfortable when he gave the address about the death of bin laden.

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20 Sep 2011 20:00:58
Who controls the British crown?
Who keeps the metric system down?
We do, we do!
Who keeps Atlantis off the maps?
Who keeps the Martians under wraps?
We do, we do!!

There is so much we want to know but can we really accept what is actually happening on this small rock of ours.......

When all the trees are bare, the land is barren & dry,the sea's no longer have life ,then man will realise he cannot eat money

The all seeing eye

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Yes we all watch the simpsons

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20 Sep 2011 17:43:27
Ed are the illuminati based in america or england i know american money has the all seeing eye in a pyramid so im guessing they are american but the brits have the free masons so do they work together or is it like a gang turf war seeing that people are saying we are slaves for the illuminati??

MJ {Ed033's Note - There are lots of groups calling themselves illuminati and some of them are actually into becoming enlightened/illuminated and don't take part in the disgusting stuff that other groups calling themselves illuminati are into. This interview with Leo Zagami gives people a small incite into one of these illuminati groups - www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nLfRsReGII .

Researcher, Chris Everaad has produced 4 DVDs about the Illuminati that you can buy at www.enigmatv.net/shop/index.php?route=product/category&path=35

Here is a talk on youtube that Chris Everaad gave www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Zcq23ECJqE

In addition one different group that reckons they run 1/6 of what goes on, on the surface of planet Earth is the Crown Corporation based in the City of London. }

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20 Sep 2011 19:43:44
Much of Britain was exposed to bacteria sprayed in secret trials

www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience

Many of these government tests involved releasing potentially dangerous chemicals and micro-organisms over vast areas of the population without the public being told.

The hidden hand

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They have been doin things like this for years, Aids is the biggest one,outbreaks of foot & mouth in sporadic pockets

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Chemtrails anyone?? :)

Paragon {Ed033's Note - Well known researcher G. Edward Griffin made a film documentary with 2 other people called, "What in the world are they spraying" which contains a lot of info on chemtrails. You can watch the full movie on youtube at www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf0khstYDLA }

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After the separation of Ukraine from Russia, the ukrainian people are sprayed with chemicals each and every day by american jets

So much for the price for freedom and democracy!

The revolution was organized George Soros, a high ranking member of the illuminati who has destabilizes other countries by playing with games with their currency!

It matters little who sits on the throne or who is prime minister those who control your currency control your country.

The hidden hand

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Nice one Ed! Watching now

Paragon

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20 Sep 2011 18:01:06
Been looking at the site again and I see
quite a few posts which are similar to mine..
So why am I barred ? {Ed033's Note - I am unaware that you are barred however we don't want to repeat posts saying the exact same thing using slightly different words.}

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20 Sep 2011 17:13:40
Bin Laden is being held captive by the Yanks in an underground prison where he is being punished and tortued

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There is some evidence to suggest Bin Laden died as early as 2002. Benazir Bhutto went on record to say he was killed in 2007. Videos of Bin Laden used by the US in their propoganda shortly after 9/11 were replaced by audio broadcasts. Subsequent videos unearthed and released via the mainstream media show Bin Laden getting younger. These facts alone muddy the waters as to his mortality. The recent execution by Navy Seals doesn't stand up too well either due to lack of credible video or photographic evidence. so to recap, the last plausible video of Bin Laden was immediately after 9/11. Whilst talking about 9/11 he did not admit or accept blame for the attack. After this the guy drops from the radar for nearly ten years and only being brought out now again (and getting younger) to remind the American public that their enemy is still at large and is still coming to get them. If he did die as early as i say, then eventually the CIA or whoever will have to bring the show to its natural conclusion and end it with the death of Bin Laden, as as happened this year.

Paragon

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One sincerely hopes so.

The thought of him being forced to listen to Swagger Jagger on loop seems quite fitting.

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Bin Laden dies 10 years ago.

Bin laden had kidney problems and needed to be on dialysis machine every day.

How could he have survived up until a few months ago with america bombing
the area where he was?

Impossible mate

Bin Laden was created by america as a bogeyman so that Bush could repeal liberties of American citizens which he did.

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America now has Fema camps which are going to be new concentration camps in the event the natives get restless

American is experimenting with trucks that can drive themselves?


And why are there 50,000 chinese troops in america as we speak?

The hidden hand

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50'000 Chinese troops in America?

I love this site, so much food for thought.

Raz

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20 Sep 2011 16:27:45
The Pyramids are not human built, I believe they were constructed from others from another galaxy anyone else with me on this ???

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Well there is a planer similar to ours about 38 light years away so aliens could visit us on a regular basis seeing that their technology is more than 1000 years in advance to ours but also Mars has the same 3 pyramids on its surface as we do

MJ

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I thought that Mars had been disproved?

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MJ every single word of your post is utter nonsense

Chris in Tamworth {Ed033's Note - I think there is a high possibility that there were/are pyramids on Mars. One such pyramid is possibly in the Cydonia region on Mars and is named the D&M Pyramid after Vincent DiPietro and Gregory Molenaar who discovered it. A picture of the D&M pyramid can be found at www.talkconspiracy.co.uk/ar_5.php }

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20 Sep 2011 16:26:38
Princess Di is not dead!!!

She is on a billionaires Island along with Heath Ledger, Elvis Pressley, Curt Kabain, Amy Drughouse, and any other rich high profile star who wanted no more lime light and had the dollar to stage there own death and dissappear for ever........

Nuff said

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This unfortunately sullies the work people do in bringing to light conspiracy theories!

The hidden hand

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20 Sep 2011 15:39:20
to all the smart alexs who say theres no god , well then how do you know his name.........lfc

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Smart Alecs** lol

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Nobody can say there is no God

Its just their belief

Those who say there is a god including myself are also stating their position from a belief

We can choose either way

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LFC I thought the word god derives from an ancient word for creator?

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20 Sep 2011 14:30:34
so let me just see if i've got this down right then. Its not just a super secretive society of pure bloods who are actually quite open in admitting to wanting to kill us all but their doing it at the behest of a bunch of space lizards who are the gods of many ancient bibles. Have i got it right?

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Er... not exactly. They're an elite group who went underground for fear of death, operated in the background, took over everything, do not want to be identified individually but an an organisation they want to be noted and even seen as good, and they will save us from a crisis with their new world order. They are manufacturing the crisis though (like designing a sickness and selling the cure). All this crap about Reptilians is pretty weird. I think it is what some people think Illuminati do their shiz for, but I do not think the Illuminati would say they are doing anything for reptilian people . That is what outsiders have said.

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No Mate there are no space lizzards why do think there are?

Just a bunch of Rich people who consider us and stock and want to regulate how we live to maimize their wealth its as simple as that!

The hidden hand

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Apparently the lizard type aliens are supposedly from the 4th star of orions belt now i know the naked eye only shows 3 stars but by telescope there is a small 4th star and they are friendly if you do some research they crashed in america when the indians were the main race and they became friends with a tribe and told them of their planet and their race plus they also said they would return... so they are not enemies and are peacefull

MJ

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Nope personally i don't believe that there is any space lizards behind the Illuminati, just what others seemed to be suggesting.

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Not a believer in Reptoids. Some people just take things too literally, that's all. Saying a group of people are cold-blooded and snake-like in their behaviour is normal, saying that they're actual reptiles hiding beneath a disguise, is too much.

David Icke's speeches on this matter are good viewing though and thought-provoking but the guy does pick and choose what he decides to tell his fans. For example, he gives examples of statues and monuments around the world featuring snakes/lizards etc.

But he conveniently forgets to add that birds of prey, big cats, wolves etc all feature just as heavily. People just built shrines to animals they feared / were capable of killing them, as a way of trying to protect themselves against said animals.

Does that mean there's a race of wolf-people also? Actually, there are many myths about dog-headed people from ancient times, a race of them that is!

RED_SKY

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20 Sep 2011 13:44:12
Jay-

I've been trying to read into this Annunaki stuff and I am just losing the will, can't get into it enough to really get my head round it. Is this the part of the Illuminati stuff that involves some form of extra terrestrial being? Like the Illuminati think what they're doing is for the Annunaki?

Raz

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20 Sep 2011 12:13:37
what do you think on the ancient technology theory? Like ancient atomic wars and so on?

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Check out ancient aliens discovery/history programme available on youtube, it details a lot of what ur looking for. Even gives a reason why noahs ark could have been possible. Dna of each animal, not actual physical representation. Makes sense eh? Links in with ancient technology, pyramid building etc. Very interesting programme

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Yeah will check that out cheers

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Very, very, very interesting!
I had never considered that - would really shake things up. DNA of every animal instead of an actual specimen...the DNA would have needed to be provided by a 'superior being' with the ridiculously advanced technology for those times. Aliens as our Gods or creators??

RED_SKY

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20 Sep 2011 09:22:04
Just wanted to get people thinking a bit more...

Princess Diana - arguably murdered - arguably saw it coming and tried to tell the world - many people believe she was, they have got that far, but do people know why?

Raz

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There are many people in the illuminati it is not a bunch of 10 people, illuminati members have ben estimated to measure 20,000 strong!

There are different levels within the illuminati


If you do a little bit of research, you may be suprised to see well known illuminati members, these people are extremely rich and powerful

That should give you a clue and point you in the direction of more questions than answers?

The hidden hand

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Well I already think it's pretty crystal clear that it was Illuminati-related, I just want to hear what other people's thoughts are.
Raz

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Hidden Hand I love how patronising your comment was haha, if you'd read any of my posts in the last 3 days it is pretty clear I have done an awful lot of research.
Raz

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The Illuminati believe in the Anunnaki, no doubt. And have set themselves up accordingly to that belief.
Personally I do think that the Anunnaki theory is plausible, check some of it out. RAZ, you'll love at mate!
Check out Ian R Cranes - hidden agenda! He explains a lot about the Illuminati and their Anunnaki beliefs!

Ps! When the USA went to Iraq ( ancient Sumeria ) they destroyed ancient library's, clay tablets ( which spoke of the Anunnaki ) and ancient tombs ( places of worship to the Anunnaki )
Why?

Peace

Jay
Glasgow

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Cheers Jay I'll check it out. I actually STILL haven't looked into Annunaki, although I did see something that said people who believe in the Illuminati agendas need to move on from it as they do Reptilian people, as it isn't really Illuminati-related after all. I will check it out though.
Will let you know what I think.
Raz

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Hi Raz,

I am not being Patronizing, sorry if you think that Mate.

If I were to post what I know it would not be printed so I tried to guide you with a post that would be printed.

The hidden hand

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Sorry Raz, I did not mean to be patronizing.

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Hidden Hand, share your knowledge, if what you say gets pulled its tough but at least you tried.

Paragon {Ed007's Note - Get it posted mate and let Ed033 decide, and at least I will get it!}

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Specific items were stolen from the National Museum of Iraq, ancient Sumerian artifacts that depict the Annunaki/Nephilim. Who has them now, and specifically, why?

Paragon

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Princess Diana was becoming more popular than the establishment she was part of.

The highest high of british society has long been linked with the hand that guides the world.

Join the dots people and make of it what you will, this is the least controversial info I have I would not post anything else on such a public forum.

US, British Intelligence Blocked Diana Plan to Vacation in America Before Death

London Evening Standard | June 25 2004

The security services forced Princess Diana to abandon plans for a holiday in America weeks before she died, it is revealed today.

The block on her travel plans meant that instead she took a summer break with Mohamed Fayed. This ultimately led to her going to Paris with his son Dodi, where they died.

British or US intelligence had forced Diana to change her plans to stay with American billionaire Teddy Forstmann in the summer of 1997, saying it was too dangerous to take her sons there, it is claimed.

The revelation that the princess would probably still be alive today if the security services had not intervened is bound to raise fresh questions about Conspiracy theories.

The claims are made by author Andrew Morton in his new book, Diana: In Pursuit Of Love. Mohamed Fayed has always insisted that Diana and Dodi were murdered in a plot involving MI6 agents and US intelligence.

Morton writes: "Diana was looking forward to a week's holiday with the two young men who had never let her down and whom she loved unconditionally, William and Harry."

Morton, with whom the princess cooperated on his bestseller Diana: Her True Story, says she had accepted an invitation from " one- time American boyfriend" Mr Forstmann to stay with him at his house in the Hamptons. But as she was travelling with the princes, "she needed security clearance".

He writes: "In what turned out to be a tragic twist of fate, the security services - Forstmann's friends are not sure

whether it was the American or the British side - vetoed Diana's holiday plans. They had doubts about the security surrounding the billionaire's hideaways or perhaps a possible threat from elsewhere.

"Ironically the decision by the security services, perhaps more than any of their perceived plotting in Paris, was what led to Diana being in Paris on 31 August." Scotland Yard detectives carrying out a ?3million inquiry into Diana's death are planning to interview Morton over the new claims.

Morton also claims that Princess Diana leaked the Duchess of York's divorce plans in an attempt to stop bad press about herself.

He says Diana betrayed Fergie in February 1992 because she was anxious that a book by Lady Colin Campbell hinted she was to blame for the collapse of her marriage to Charles.

Morton suggested that the only thing to keep the princess off the front pages would be an even bigger story - and she "instantly provided the blockbuster story we required".

He added: "She had recently learned that Fergie had visited the Queen to talk about a separation from Prince Andrew. After much discussion the Queen had agreed that a separation was the best option."

Conspiracy theories surrounding the death of Diana, Princess of Wales, were fuelled yesterday after it emerged that the car in which she was meant to have travelled failed to start.

Diana, 36, and her 42-year-old lover Dodi Al Fayed, instead entered a nearby Mercedes driven by the chauffeur Henri Paul before all three were killed after crashing in a Paris underpass. The driver was later revealed to be three times over the legal alcohol limit.

The last-minute switch in cars came to light with the release of official documents by the Cabinet Office under the Freedom of Information Act, which included correspondence between officials in the aftermath of the event.

It was in a memo sent to the Prime Minister a few hours after the Princess was killed on 31 August 1997 that it was first suggested that the car in which she had been expected to travel had broken down.

The document, whose author was not revealed, read: "The Princess and Dodi al Fayed arrived at the Paris Ritz yesterday afternoon. When they left the hotel late last night they were surrounded by a number of journalists. They tried to leave quickly but the first hire car failed to start. The second car then left the hotel at speed."

A second document released yesterday corroborated the claim of a broken down car. Signed "Jay", it was sent from Paris on the same day to Robin Cook, the Foreign Secretary, who was in Singapore. The British ambassador to France at the time was Sir Michael Jay.

Describing the couple's departure from the Ritz, it read: "Their getaway car failed to start, they got into another nearby car driven by a Ritz driver."

However, conflicting accounts appeared in a third document also released yesterday, which claimed that the couple had entered the car in a bid to avoid paparazzi photographers.

It was in a document sent by Sir Michael to the Foreign Office on 23 September that it was claimed that the couple had switched cars as part of a "last-minute change of plan aimed at diverting the paparazzi".

In the same document, it describes how Mohamed Al Fayed, the owner of Harrods and the father of Dodi, instructed a UK-based pathologist to challenge the results of tests showing high levels of alcohol in blood samples from the driver Henri Paul. As a result, a third test confirmed the alcohol level as well as revealing that Paul had been taking anti-depressants.

Amid the flurry of correspondence between Paris and London in the aftermath of the accident, concerns about the impact on the diplomatic relationships between the country were also raised.

One concern focused on the appointment of a senior police officer to liaise between UK coroners and French investigators amid fears it would raise the "risk of media suggestions" that "the UK had concerns about the French enquiry".

Sir Michael said he had been informed the French Prime Minister Lionel Jospin wanted to return from La Rochelle to pay his last respects to the Princess. He wrote that "paying last respects was not a strong British or Anglican tradition".

In the event, Chevenement and Jospin, as well as a series of other dignitaries, visited the Pitie Salpetriere hospital where Diana died.

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Lol no worries mate I found it slightly amusing, all banter :-)
Raz

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Hidden Hand, I feel much of what you have put is a recount of the events and the public /media thought behind what happened. Is that what you actually think happened? I don't.
I think every single detail in that could just as much be smokescreen as truth. Even to do with alcohol and the driver.... none of us will ever know, and if you run the organisations that run the media and all that other crap, and you know there is going to be a fatality you want covered up, then it is standard practice you have a system in place that allows for a cover up- including 'coincidences' - the car change, blocking holiday plans etc; the smokecreen - naff story about divorce and bad press etc; and then the post-mortem that gives way to the possibility that it was all a bad accident - alcohol in driver's blood.

How do any of us know that is true? There has always been huge suspicion surrounding her death and oddly enough there are 2 main reasons why nothing has been done about looking into it from a public perspective, and those are probably 1) that we loved her and love her sons too much to prolong the hardship, i.e. we let her RIP, and 2) because it was a cover up job and we wouldn't have got anywhere. IMO at least.
Have you watched The Arrivals mate?
Raz

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Raz

Of course there is more to this story than what I previously posted above about Diana.

The above are "facts?" on what happened to Princess Diana and i think it lends credibility to a conspiracy theory.

I am trying to stay away from too much controversy otherwise my posts won't be published and I may get banned.

May be One of the Ed's could tell us in more detail what is acceptable?

I have had some posts not put on the site and I have had some posts truncated, I think the Ed's don't want to cause offence to anyone however conspiracy very often can be offensive?

I don't think the Ed's want this a hardcore conspiracy theory site and that's fine its their site!

The hidden hand {Ed001's Note - no point having a conspiracy site if people are afraid to post their theories. I was awake and listening to the radio when Di was in the accident, according to the live reporter at the time, she was taken out of the car chatting to the ambulance staff. That was the on the spot eyewitness saying that. Story changed completely later on though, that alone is enough to make me think there is something dodgy going on.}

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