Conspiracy Talk Archive April 21 2013

 

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21 Apr 2013 12:32:25
I'm just wondering something, and I'm not asking to criticise or insult but, why do you believe half of this stuff? A lot of people on this site believe that every media outlet or form of government is controlled and lying to them, which has a bit of logic behind it. Murdoch owns an obscene amount of the media and we all know power and particularly money corrupts. So I can understand how you can believe these problems exist, however, why are you so willing to accept some of these theories which have absolutely no proof. The Illuminati at the Olympics, the Sun running out, Sandy Hook was a hoax etc.
I'm not arguing that any of these can't possibly true, but I'm asking why you are so willing to accept the theories of one man or woman who has minute evidence but so opposed to anything the Government and media say?
Probably just being the Devil's advocate but thought I'd ask.
Comrade D

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Is there any evidence they don't, that's the real question.

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If you keep on reading you will see we all don't agree on everything and plenty of links to evidence, some of what is posted here can be taken tongue in cheek, however if you think the government and the media are our friends then maybe one of the Ed's can suggest a few sites that may help explain why they are not to be trusted.

By the way I never believed in the Olympics thing but that's just me.

Jonty

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I concur with what Jonty says, a lot of us on this site do not always agree about stuff. Maybe what we have in common is a willingness to ask questions about the world around us. I do not know enough about Illuminati to know whether they are involved with stuff like the Olympic ceremony but others do and believe so. As for the media outlets, they are not in any way there to serve or benefit us so why should they be given our complete trust? The media no longer question what is happening in our world, they just report what they are told to. It was just over 40 years ago that a real and independent media showed the brutality of the US in Vietnam. My Lai would never get reported today just as other recent atrocities are not. That media no longer exists, so sites like this, and the people who contribute to them help us to seek answers to questions that matter to us. We won't always agree but that is exactly what makes it worthwhile. I believe in aliens and will do so until proven otherwise. Others will think I am mental for doing so, that is fine by me. We are human through our genetic makeup but never forget what makes us people is our minds and the different way we each think. That individual freedom to make a decision for ourselves is one of the reasons sites like this are good, as opposed to the mass media. In the immortal words of that great sage and teacher of enlightenment "You don't need to follow anybody. You've got to think for yourselves. You're all individuals, you're all different. You've got to work it out for yourselves. "

Captain Needa

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Its a good question comrade 9 (liking your name as well)my take on it is to always question what is being told to us, I rather be called a foolish person than letting the grains of sand go by and not even bothering.

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Captain!

I don't think you sound crazy for believing that aliens exist, and by alien I mean other life form! Not the media/Hollywood type. Not that I don't think they "couldn't" exist, simply just that we basically created a physical representation that has stuck, so when you say the word "alien" some may find it strange!
I see it as this: We live in a Galaxy where the only life we know of is on earth, from the microscopic to the bipedals like us. The complexity and variety of life truly is astounding and quite breathtaking! So of all the planets that we know of life is very rare, but I put this to anyone who believes we are alone in our vast universe. As far as we know, there are at least 100 billion galaxy's, albeit we know very little of them as the obvious hurdle of distance and stage of our technology. But surely no one could really think that we are the one in 100 billion that has life, intelligent life even. The only trouble is the distances to these other galaxy's, so we will probably never really know, if there is others out there, and even if we did did out there was, we'd never get to communicate with them as I've mentioned, the vast distances simply make it impossible (in this day and age, maybe in the next few 1000 - 1000000 years, which is a very small amount of time space wise) and I think that part is very unfortunate indeed!
So I truly believe there is a great chance of other beings or whatever you'd like to call it out there, I just think we will never really know!

Peace

Jay
Glasgow

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Jay I agree pal but I think we could or already have communicated with them of course we don't have the technology to reach the so many million miles away but they have certainly been to our planet and I'm pretty sure if they wanted to communicate with us they would.

Rise & Shine

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Rise and shine!

The last part of your argument I kinda agree with! If they could they would, so maybe they either can't, or they don't don't know about us as we don't know about them yet!
I'd love to actually see it happen, even just a radio signal of some sort, knowing that yes, there are others out there who get to experience life, and the beauty and mystery of our universe!
But I really struggle to see evidence of any kind of visitation, ever! Yes there are interesting structures, glyphs, monuments, things we still struggle to re-create, story's, illustrations etc. And it's very interesting stuff, no doubt. But no solid evidence to suggest it happened for certain! I wish there was such evidence, and I've looked for it like many others have, but the reason we won't find it is that it's simply just not there. Maybe one day, hopefully I get to see it, they will visit us, I just don't think it will happen in our lifetime. Anyway, that's the only way I see us actually knowing, because we sure aren't travelling through space like that anytime soon so they would have to come here!
Another thing though, why us? We just aren't aware enough of what's really going on out there, so many galaxy's and stars, planets we are finding that are getting more similar to here. But we are not even an ants tear drop in the ocean when it comes to space, so I truly do believe in other beings, I just do t think I'll ever get the chance to be certain!

Peace

Jay
Glasgow

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Refering to Comrade I don't accept things without proof. For example I am currently looking at 2pac's susposed death, I look at the evidence for and against it and I can see that the evidence for it far outways the evidence against it, so I therefore believe he faked his death, its the same with any conspiracy I look at

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21 Apr 2013 10:35:24
Regarding the Boston bombings I do think that they acted of their own accord however the Americans knew about it all along and used it to their advantage

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I'm sorry. where is there any spread of evidence or suggestion the knew the bombings would happen?! Yes, the FBI interviewed/were meant to interview one of the suspects years ago, but how on earth does that automatically mean the government knew the bombings were meant to happen?

J. G

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I think this could possibly be the case, that's my take on 9/11 also.

GBI

{Ed033's Note - You obviously haven't heard about Judy Wood PHd or her book, Where did the towers go. Unless the alleged 9/11 hijackers had control of black technology that can turn building including the steel to dust, then the alleged 9/11 hijackers did not cause what happened to happen

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Gbi you remind me of a twitter follower who wants bona fide evidence wrapped up with the words the real truth, let's be straight none of us know what the real truth is but we do a bit of research from various outlets, then we look at the pros and cons of any event and what impact it makes in the future and finally we make a educated guess and give are opinion, no doubt you would have questioned the bay of tonkin incident when it happened as not being true which is your prerogative but some of us on this site like to keep a open mind.

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I've seen a programme where all the conspiracy theories are put to test, it has the guy from the loose change group. Every theory is put to bed. Stuff like that is enough for me, but any1 who wants to see a different event will eventually see what they want to see. As I said b4 to u franky my mind is as open as it can be espicially since the hillsborough cover up. The Boston bombers are there to be seen along with the aftermath.

GBI

{Ed033's Note - "Every theory is put to bed." That is nonsense.

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Out of interest when did you realize hillsborough was a coverup?

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GBI you say after the first Boston blast and before the second, the net was awash with theories, and you cannot believe this (and how repugnant it is) Yah I can't believe it too as they where seconds apart. Am I mistaken or did you really have some sort of reasoning here?

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I was never really interested in hillsborough. Then I read about it in the paper. Then the report came out. That's about it. My beliefs differ from yours on certain theories on this sight, in sorry for that. I may be of the 'brainwashed' kind from the media and so on, but I'm cool with that. Would rather get my info from these sources than from that money grabber David icke or a man that was made to look like a complete and utter person by some1 as vile aspiers Morgan, Alex jones being that 'man'

GBI {Ed001's Note - money grabbers? You mean totally unlike the big corporations feeding you 'truth' such as Sky or ITV? Because they are definitely not out to make money are they? Or are you going to suggest the BBC, that well known bastion of truth, so long as by truth you mean government propaganda or else they lose their license?}

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Which report?the taylor report or the report last year?well to be honest it doesn't really matter as the vile comments made by the establishment and media a couple of days after hillsborough, my point is not just me but nearly everyone from liverpool knew it was a coverup and it has took a report that has took nearly a quarter of a century for people like you to believe, like I mentioned I question most things, I think its our duty to scrutinize what we are being told.

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The report last year. I was young when hillsborough happened and didn't even know of the hatred towards the sun newspaper regarding there portrayal of the fans that got caught up in the tragedy. Only in the last year, since the report I have seen how big a cover up it was, and made me re-asses my views on certain events and how our media go about reporting it I mean If they can try and sweep something as horrible and tragic as that disaster under the rug, what else are they capable of.

GBI

{Ed033's Note - The main stream media are capable of misrepresenting everything except sport scores.

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Gbi hence my point, we all do not agree on certain subjects on this site but we have a inkling something is not right.

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21 Apr 2013 02:36:27
Ha, you couldn't make it up, the "Boston bomber" has suffered a throat injury and may not be able to talk.

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A convenient throat injury. So off to some military base for 'treatment' if he survives. And we'll never hear from him again. Apart from the inevitable written confession. Was so reassuring to see all the sheeple applauding in Boston. So now we all know they can lock down a city in a few hours. Land of the free yeah right. Ryan.

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