Conspiracy Talk Archive February 22 2013

 

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22 Feb 2013 21:24:40
Life is strange. Tonights Mentalist on channel 5 is about weed and genetically modified weed for corporations. Irony. Mort

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I think they heard us.

Jedimindtricks

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A bit of blaw back in the day is not the same thing as an ounce of chronic now, the kidz is going mental for dees sheet mon, remember that when they are crashing through your front door with claw hammers.

Unnamed Poster

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The war on weed is over Mort :-)
They now fear Ayahuasca, a natural source that shows us we are more than the consumer world that they try to enforce on our conscience.

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Nobody ever crashed through any door with a claw hammer because of a bit of weed EVER. Begone foul demon you Unnamed Poster. Shame on you for even associating a bit of smoke with such violence you person.

Named Poster

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I understand the strains are getting stronger but that just means you stay stoned a lot longer and with more intensity! I've been to amsterdam I've smoked these so called super strains and I can tell you unnamed poster the last thing on my mind was hurting someone I think the only thing on my mind at the time was where can I get food from! Unnamed poster can I ask do you smoke cannabis? Have you tried cannabis?

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Yes RR I smoked for about 20 years and never once turned to violence whilst chilling out. My situation was different to the Yoof of today in that I only smoked the stronger strains for the last few years of my tenure whereas today and tomorrows tokers will be smoking this gear for 20 years and will quite probably end up schizophrenic.

Unnamed Poster

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Can I ask what your basing this on? What proof is there that shows cannabis would make people turn to violence? The stronger the strain the heavier the hit! I've smoked some strains where I'm incapable of tying my own shoes! In regards to becoming a schizophrenic as said before this is purely down to the individual the same with alcohol, the same with most over the counter drugs pro plus for instance! It's just a legal speed has same effects same come down except you can buy it over the counter!

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Hi.
ive been smoking for the last 15 years and been to amsterdam and done some heavy strains myself and not once have I thought of comitting a crime.
but one point I might make is that the chinese seem to produce a mass amount of weed up in scotland
i have seen first hand huge warehouses getting busted and for a few hours tons of weed being brought out
the chinese seem to be able to modify the thc content chemicaly to make really strong strains.
so there might be a link to the stuff they are doing and people becoming violent/schizophrenic.

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22 Feb 2013 15:49:30
What are people's thoughts on the drug war in Mexico and some of the horrific incidents that have resulted from it? Some of the stuff reported on news websites makes me wonder how people can inflict so much horror onto others.

I wonder why there is no foreign intervention to help the innoncent people who are caught in the middle.

Adam

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Why would there be foreign intervention? the USA have sold millions of dollars worth of guns to mexico (yes the same government that are up in arms about gun laws in there own country) and do you really think they care about them killing each other?btw guns are illegal in mexico so work that out for yourself.

frankyscouse

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Surely there has to be intervention (not necessarily from the US) because the Mexican government and police are doing absolute zip to improve a situation that has seen the formation vigilante groups who are accidently killing innocents as well as turning to corruption themselves. As well as this, you have gangs murdering each other, journalists and anybody who speaks out in truely horrific ways, sometimes with civilians caught in the middle.

Adam

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Adam unfortunately frankie is right! The Us supply the weapons. In regards to intervention unfortunately there's nothing in it for them. War or interventions normally have alteria motives like oil, drugs or other resourceful items. BP supply mexicos oil which is partly owned by Bill Gates who openly supports genocide! Now if Mexico had vests amount of oil, weapons or fields laced in Poppy's like Afghanistan then you would probably see intervention!

RR!

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Keep it quiet adam next thing we know there will be a nato/american occupation there.

frankyscouse

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Don't get me wrong mate I admire the sentiment I truly do.

But you come across as a little naive.

The foreign powers won't intervene for 2 reasons:

1. Legally they cannot intervene unless the Mexican government specifically asks for help. Then it would end up in the UN debating rooms.

2. There's no profit in it. Mexico isn't going to pay for 1000's of foreign troops and expensive kit, and there's no massive resources there, or else the Yanks would have been in there years ago. Instead their making money off the problem.

As you say the Mexicans are doing nowt about it and the biggest issue is corruption.

I do see where you are coming from, and as I said I admire the sentiment. But once you commit to something like that where do you draw the line? Do you intervene in every country that has drug issues? Would intervention actually improve matters? Would the British people accept intervention in Mexico after Iraq/ Afghan?

Mort

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Corruption mate, too much money to be made, that drug lord that has supposed to have been killed was worth an estimated £1 billion & was on forbes rich list, now that he is gone someone else will just take his place. CM68

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Mort I was being sarcastic mate about the usa going in to mexico, my main point is the usa have sold millions of dollars worth firearms to mexico, and if they kill each other so be it will be there attitude.

frankyscouse

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22 Feb 2013 21:22:20
ok franky appreciated. Point still stands though, if there was anything to benefit the yanks they would have been in there by now though. Unless they are waiting for it to get really bad? Can't see the yanks wanting their southern border destabilised too much, especially with the massive latin vote nowadays. Mort

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Fair point mate.

frankyscouse

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22 Feb 2013 22:47:17
its all politics mate, I reckon that maybe they want it to get so bad that they have to go in. I think some sort of intervention in mexico would be easier to sell compared to going half way around the world to the middle east. You know yanks and their grasp of geography, at least they'd know where mexico is. Just the lack of a resource really. Idle question but do any Americans still hold the Monroe Doctrine in effect? Mort

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Thanks for comments. Guess it is all about money at the end of the day.

Just sad to see what is happening over there.

Adam

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Adam sadly war does make money one way or another.

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It's about money and control. The more the USA scare a majority of their own people (conservative Guaranga freaks) the easier it is to sell weapons to defend said people. Remember a lot of people may get upset about the wall Israel built and forget the fence the land of the free, and the home of the brave built. America was built on the sweat, blood and hope of immigrants. Yet you would think it miraculously formed itself out of the primordial mound in how it treats people today. And before anyone says, oh its different today they have to stop all these people who want jobs and a life from entering. Check out the Ellis Island files, millions went their and made the rubbish hole what it is. But, pack to the point America since its inception has been continuously involved in war and will continue to do so. The majority of the rich that rule the masses are based there. Fear = Worry = Defence = Weapons = Defence = War = Fear = Control.

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22 Feb 2013 15:40:25
this is the best description according to oscar pistorius on what happened that night, you can make your own mind up.

http://www.2oceansvibe.com/2013/02/22/the-best-illustrated-re-enactment-of-oscar-pistorius-affidavit-that-weve-seen-infographic/

frankyscouser

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Very interesting frankie! I still don't see how he could take his gun from under his pillow without noticing his girl friend wasn't in bed! Surely if he heard a noise he would have checked to make sure she was safe before going to investigate! I honestly don't know what to believe with this one! Can't work out if he did it or didn't! But things don't add up!

RR!

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Mate only one person knows if it was deliberate, I said from the beginning I thought it was a accident that was just a educated guess mainly because of three points.
1 south africa being a violent country were there are plenty of armed robberies targeted at rich homes.
2 he's disability while being in bed.
either way hopefully the real truth will come out.

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It just seems like OJ Simpson all over again to me.

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I watched a program on him before the Olympics called the fastest man on two blades! Showing his life and the traumas he had to deal with growing up and how he over come them! I came away feeling inspired by him. My first reaction I'll be honest was not guilty but the more I read. I just don't know things simply don't add up!

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Also I know it was in south Africa but don't you think it's strange how the American government are trying to get guns banned and all of a sudden there are a number of high profile mass killings with guns! Might be a coincidence but strange non the less

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I do think its a coincidence mate, pre Olympics not many of us had heard of him, don't get me wrong it still would have made the news here but not so much of a impact, and yes mate it does sound dodgy the stuff about him but for the life of me unless he was on Prozac or a psychopath why would he shoot he's g/f he has been dating only a few months?like I said mate when the trial starts we will found out, either way he's life is screwed now guilty or not guilty and it would not surprise me in the least if he decides to commit suicide.

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I honestly hope he is innocent franky! My opinion on the man hasn't changed I still believe he is inspirational and sincerely hope he is found innocent and doesn't go down the path you mentioned! {Ed001's Note - is he really that inspirational? He just seemed a knob to me, with his hissy fit about the length of the blades etc. For me, no one shoots that many times into a bathroom without checking it isn't just their missus in there, unless they want rid.}

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I see what you mean ed but to be told he'd never walk to overcome that, be told he would never compete in school sports yet played rugby with able bodied people! When he came to England for his first ever competitive race with able bodied people and it rained and he was unable to run I felt sorry! I just liked his whole attitude that what ever is thrown in front of him he continued to prove people wrong! Wether he's guilty or not I'm unsure of as like I said I can't see how he took the gun from under his pillow without checking his girlfriend wasn't lying in bed next to where his gun was! {Ed001's Note - just so long as the right result, I mean the truth, is found, that's the important thing, regardless of whether he is inspirational or a knob.}

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Exactly ed like is said to Franky there are definatley some things that don't add up! But like you say the right result is the most important thing wether guilty or not!

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I agree with ed, Pistorious seemed like a tool after the Olympics, he just looked like a sore loser but at the end of the day, justice is the most important thing.

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I think too much of his story doesn't add up.

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Far too much Mort. Why was the bathroom door locked? I don't think it was a case her going for an early morning toilet stop, only for him to wake up to a noise, not realise that his missus isn't in his bed and automatically assume its a robber. 4 times she was shot. Behind a door. He fired four times and hit. He must've known she was hiding behind door.

It was valentines day and how many couples would end up fighting on that day. He has a history of gun violence. I honestly can't see how his story can hold up. His background prior, should have absolutely no bearing on the case. Athletes are humans to, and are just as susceptible to human emotions us the general public.

Melbourne CFC

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24 Feb 2013 11:23:32
Agreed Melbourne. You'd at least notice if your bed was occupied or not. And how many robbers lock themselves in the toilet? You'd at least say who's in there i'm armed and dangerous. And four shots? Mort

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Exactly. Morts if you and your wife (in this case gf) went to bed together, and in the middle of the night you awoke to a noise coming from the bathroom. Whether you have legs or not, would your first thought be what's noise. You would hear its coming from the bathroom which is an unsuite in this case. Would you immediately pull a gun out if you lived in a dangerous area, or look next to you, realise the woman you went to bed with wasn't their and put 2 and 2 together?

The excuse he has made has no logic, the evidence shows she was locked in the bathroom. He shot 4 times and hit which in my mind says that a domestic happened, he grabbed the gun she ran into the bathroom and locked the door, which he when he fired directly at the door.

I don't know how people can't see there is no chance this bloke is innocent. The fact he had prostectic legs and claims alaways feared robbers make zero plausible sense at all!

Melbourne CFC

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24 Feb 2013 15:20:48
That makes the most sense. I was a bit confused about what he was saying about his legs. They wasn't on or were they? If he'd been in bed then obviously they'd be off. But would you put them on and go hunting for robbers? Myself i'd just stay in bed with the gun, let them come to me and be straight on the phone. But he's saying he put them on and went to look? I'm not buying it. I think he's killed her, maybe in a blind rage, calmed down and realised what he's done and then panicked and had to invent. Mort

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I do agree it looks dodgy guys but what's the motive? if it comes out in the trial he was a jealous freak or she was planning on ending the the relationship then I agree with you all, let's wait until the trial guys, famous saying innocent until proven guilty.

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24 Feb 2013 20:59:57
Franky true innocent till proven guilty. I just think that there are too many inconsistancies and strange bits in his story, as the bail hearing judge said. We don't know what went on prior, only two people did. One can't say and the other can say whatever he wants and can't be contradicted. That could cause enough reasonable doubt. Its down to the prosecution to prove he acted on the knowledge of who was in the bathroom. I do think he went mad did it in blind rage after an argument then realised what he did. However I wasn't there so its all just supposition. Mort

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He didn't put his legs on straight away! He was getting a fan off the balcony without his legs, heard a noise crawled to the bed! Got his gun crawled to the bathroom fired his gun a number of times, crawled back to the bed got his legs on! Then got a baseball bat and went to investigate! I honesty can't see how through all this he never realised his missus wasn't in the bed!

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24 Feb 2013 23:16:47
that makes even less sense crawling about with no legs. Mort

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So he fired off shots with a gun, then crawled back to bed to get a baseball bat - a less effective weapon.

Yeah, right. Bull.

The guy is guilty as sin. How many times a week does your missus get out of bed to use the toilet?! Was he firing shots 4 times a week? What made this one instance any different from any other time she'd got up to use the toilet during the night?

Finally, if he was worried, the first instinct would be to reach over to see if your missus was okay. not to mention, you can tell if your alone in bed or not without even looking or reaching out a lot of the time. Body-heat etc.

It's a crock. He's guilty and hopefully he gets his just desserts.

RED_SKY

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22 Feb 2013 08:14:02
I know we've discussed this before but the more I watch Hollywood films the more I realise that their are hidden truths behind the flashy lights, over paid actors and cameras. Indiana Jones and the last crusade is a prime example. Behind the script lies so much truth. Hitler was obsessed with mythical objects and belived who ever held these would rule the world. He had army's search the planet for the spear of destiny, the holy grail and many other religious artefacts. There are hundreds more films with historical truth behind them just wondered if anyone else has noticed this.

RR!

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22 Feb 2013 10:06:13
Raiders of the Lost Ark is even truer, the Germans had teams in Tibet in contact with the then Dalai Lama. Quite a strange episode really. Trying to trace where their Aryan ancestors came from, measuring skulls and such like and getting support. Not to mention archaeological teams all over the place. As you say the grail, the spear, the ark so on. The nazi's and the occult gets very trippy. Mort

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I think I watched on you tube a few years ago something about spielberg having connections to influential people and was encouraged to make movies like close encounters/AI/minority report/Jurassic park etc the first movie I seen and thought great movie then watch it years later and think "jesus christ was it a hidden message?" was logans run which is all about population control.

frankyscouse

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I've never seen Logan's run Frankie but I'll defo give that a watch! Ed001 has told me to watch cleanface! Had a quick check on the reviews and from the comments I read I'll defo give that a watch this weekend as well as Logan's Run!
Mort it may of been raiders of the lost ark I was referring to been a long time since I watched it! In saying that I loved crystal skulls one! I've not checked to see if there is any evidence to back it up but the story but I loved the whole concept of it!

RR!

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Both of them involve Nazi's and "mythical" artifacts from Judeo-Christian mythology.

Both tie into things that were going on at the time.

Look up the Ahnenerbe.

Mort

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Yes I've heard of them Mort! I watched a documentary on how an ancient map of Antarctica was found in 1929 which showed the land without the ice and water! They believed this map was created by a great Turkish general called Piri Reis I think! It was with this map that ahnenerbe were able to create a fortress that other army was capable of attacking! Also it said they were kind of creating a Kind of X-men school where all 'gifted' people who ad special talents would go! They also believet that Atlantis was the home to superia ones that had advanced knowledge and these were the ones that apparently were flying in helicopter shaped crafts and ufo's as seen in an Egyptian tomb! Scary if it all true!

RR!

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22 Feb 2013 21:32:14
If you think that's strange look up the man with the green gloves. The green dragon society. And tibetan monks in berlin with green gloves. Very strange. Mort {Ed001's Note - just to point out, the Piri Reis map (which incidentally is the one that Columbus was using when he set out to sail to India the 'wrong way') was not created by Piri Reis. It was a copy of a much older map, one that no one knew how old it was, but it was never attributed to the Turkish admiral. Oh and Logan's Run is a classic film, just avoid the series, it is dross!}

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22 Feb 2013 22:55:21
ed correct me if i'm wrong but piri reis isn't that the one that's got the coastline for south america absolutely spot on but north america is hazy? Like when it was drawn north america was under a localised ice age due to the north pole being located in the hudson bay? Which puts it at over 10000 years old? If i'm thinking the right one. Mort

{Ed033's Note - From memory, the piri reis map was drawn using previous maps and shows Antarctica spot on and free from ice, shows south america absolutely spot on but i'm unsure how much of north america it actually shows. Antarctica being shown free from ice would put the original map data over 10,000 years old yes.

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22 Feb 2013 23:11:21
i thought so cheers ed. Makes you wonder what sort of tech they had back then to do maps like that. This civilisation couldn't equal it till captain cook. Mort

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Mort,
Love the stuff you post here and have to say no one can match you on the Kennedy stuff. However, as regards the Nazis in Tibet and meeting the then Dalai Lama, I have to say it was more than just what you said. The Germans were there yes, but, it was part of a combined effort as part of their agreement with Japan since 1936. People may not realize, but, part of the reason that the west has been so ambivalent to the Tibetan cause is because of WW2. Tibet sided with Japan because part of the Japanese reason for war was to counter the western empire that stretched from England to India. The English did not give a rubbish about Tibetan claims because it would have impinged on their territory in India. The English were actively trying to annex Tibet, just like China is today, and the atrocities were much the same. The Japanese were willing to give Tibet support for what Tibet saw was happening with China. Because Tibet sided with Japan is one of the main reasons that the powers that be allow China to do what they do today. The history written by the victors does not mean its true. Japan's first expedition to help Tibet was in 1939. There was a deep belief in Japan that an Eastern coalition was the only way to counter the fear of a pervasive expansion of the west, which was proven eventually. Japan and Tibet are linked by Mahayana Buddhism for over 1500 years and that is one of the reasons Japan sought to help Tibet. Remember whatever any of us may think about the rights and wrongs of WW2, Tibet is worse off than what it was then. Why is that? Sorry for the rant but so much of today's rubbish in this world can be traced back to WW1 and 2. Nobody from either period comes out with any moral dignity to either decide what history is read, and more importantly to tell us what's right or wrong.

Cork Red Boi

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I've just seen he Russian documentary I watched is on you tube now! It's in Russian but with English subs! Gives a different out look at what the nazi's were doing it's called 'Third Reich - Operation UFO' its really interesting! Mort I'll check the green gloves out!

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Thanks Mort for the green gloves link! Would recommend it to anyone interested in this subject opened my eyes on a few things! Who ever posted the documentary also posted a video that showed how Muslims are using the same propaganda that the nazi's used! I've never seen any of this on the news but some of the clips they have are terrifying! Showing children from as young as 6 saying they would kill Jews if they saw them in the street! One little girl talks about going to the isralian gate dressed in battle attire as she was a suicide warrior! I feel kind of sick In the stomach that this is going on and no one is reporting it!

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23 Feb 2013 13:19:41
RR no worries, there's some strange stuff out there. Cork Red, agreed mate some very shady stuff went on. I'd rather drop hints and let other people look things up if they choose than just spoon feed facts. Its more fun to find things out. Mort

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During the war there was a german scientist who was trying to perfect a perpetual motion propulsion system based on designs they had discovered depicting Hindu gods battling. They were said to travel on floating platforms and fires electricity at each other. The system was never perfected but a pro-type was made and still exists today, it is a spinning top basically and one turn means it will spin for an incredible amount of time.
As I said it was based on ancient Hindu pictures showing blue gods battling. Strange how it may seem but these are some of the first documented manuscripts or instructions as it were. Also, my take on the whole blue god thing is. if you look at you veins they are blue – oxygen turns you blood red. Maybe if someone for say another place was here there whole body would appear blue? Maybe anyway. also this battle and firing electricity could be future weapons? Maybe

TA

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