Conspiracy Talk Archive September 22 2011

 

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22 Sep 2011 23:15:06
ed033, is there anyway you could post up a bunch of links for different kind of conspiracies. Aliens, Why we haven't gone back to the moon, mars, illuminati, 9/11 etc.... it would be much appreciated mate.

Azza {Ed033's Note - I already have and continue to do so here: www.talkconspiracy.co.uk/conspiracy-interesting-articles.php

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Apologies ed, thanks.

Azza

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I am not an Ed

The only country ever to go the moon was Russia.

If the moon is locoated in a warehouse in downtown LA then america went to the moon, if not then it didn't!

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22 Sep 2011 23:09:37
Moon Landings.

So much talk of did we didnt we land on the moon etc.
I for one beleive that we have been to the moon but not when we first believe.
Famous video/images of Armstrong and Aldrin jumping round moon causing holes where they lands. Possible yes!
Then wh is it a 4ton+ space module having just crashed down to land on the moon leaves no such marks??


Shape_Sh!ftah {Ed033's Note - Jay Weidner's documentary on How Stanley Kubrick faked the Apollo Moon landings video - www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOX09Ft4i2I&feature=related

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22 Sep 2011 22:39:16
WTF?!!

Horrible. Someone please talk me through this. I know it can be set up etc but still...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=foxImMsqpRs&feature=related

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22 Sep 2011 20:47:30
Dear Anal Punisher your going to say the opposite to everything i say because we are arch enemy's.
there could very well be many reason's why they are doing this
if there so advanced whats with all the anal probing?
is it Outer Species Erotica.
The Anal Protector

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You just gotta love any message that begins..."Dear Anal Punisher"

Len

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Not Really!

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22 Sep 2011 19:25:43
I am a big believer in the 9/11 conspiracy. Seen plenty of DVDs and programs about it but I just wondered what other people's views were.. ?

Does anyone actually think the US government had involvement in it etc ?

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Yes mate 100%. Three words: New World Order. It all ties in.

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Of course the US government wern't involved. They were just too stupid to stop it and ignored all the warnings. But what did you expect with Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield and co in charge?

Blair Mayne YNWA {Ed033's Note - Dick Cheney gave the stand down order not to shoot down a plane that was heading towards the Pentagon on 9/11 according to Norman Mineta at the 9/11 hearings - see youtube clip www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y }

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I didn't know that Ed033 mate. I've only been reading this site for a couple of days and am already hooked. Some great posts and links on here, havn't really any opinions just love reading peoples posts, great stuff.

Blair Mayne YNWA {Ed033's Note - Building 7 (Salaman brothers building), the 3rd tower go down on 9/11 is an obvious demolition - www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A

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ED033 THANK YOU I have been saying the exact same thing for years - none of those buildings would collapse because a plane crashes into them - maybe a segments does a Leaning Tower of Pizza act and falls off, but there is no way in HELL one of those towers crumples from the bottom upwards, perfectly, a la demolition stylee, by accident. No way. Has this ever been in the spotlight?

Raz {Ed033's Note - There are loads of 9/11 anomalies such as the much larger than normal PUT Options placed on American Airlines on 9/11. Some of these PUT Options were placed by the Office of the Assistant Director of the CIA allegedly. Youtube clip on this subject - www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd0Vwg6DVPI

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Watch this one Ed:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=972ETepp4GI&NR=1

Raz {Ed033's Note - OK thanks Raz}

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22 Sep 2011 18:51:01
Food for thought about Facebook.

www.albumoftheday.com/facebook/

Is Mark Zuckerberg a just a pawn? Is his ongoing lawsuit with Harvard seniors over the theft of their idea just a clever ploy to make the whole idea seem more innocent and plausible than it really is?

I have just removed any shred of interests etc from there, or changed them to be complete rubbish.

Raz

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Spot on m8. Keep away from NSA data mining when you can.

Len

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Len I have taken everything off there right now mate. The only thing I left on there were my likes because they are all rock bands and metal bands and need support etc and I couldn't care less if they know I like metal haha.
Raz

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22 Sep 2011 17:09:56
hi guys, i'm not much for conspiracies myself but my uncle is very much a "conspiracy nut" so i was aondering if anyone on here could possibly explain why the lines behind airplanes are bad it would be much appreciated. thanx

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I don't normally use Wikipedia but this time i believe its what you are looking for- i was interested in this a while back

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory

RustyNigels

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22 Sep 2011 17:05:37
hi people....i have been following the site for a while and really enjoy it, it got me wondering about the theories behind the moon landings in the 60,s and 70,s, i remember stories were being bandied around that they were staged, some people were saying that the american flag was blowing in the wind, when apparently there is no wind on the moon?...they also claimed that the van allen belt would have prevented a landing at that time. I know there are some very knowledgeable guys who post on here, and wonder if anyone has a view, as to whether or not these things are true?....i look forward to hearing your slant on this issue as it causes a lot of argument between my friends and i bilbo baggins

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Hi mate, I don't know a huge amount about this stuff but I am sure others will give you insightful links to things for to check out. I do believe that one set of moon landings was staged as I saw some telling stuff in a video recently. Just wanted to say about the flag -

If the flag pole was vertical (obv it was), it had a horizontal rod going through the top of the flag from pole to end so that the flag remained in an 'open' state. When the flag was stuck in the ground it was undoubtedly creased etc. There is a very small gravity force on the moon, so the flag would slowly have continued to unfurl until it hung flat like a piece of paper. This may have been seen in the video footage. I haven't seen the video footage, but what I can say is that if this did happen and was caught on camera, it would have looked like it was unfurling in slo-mo due to weak gravity not being the same as here. If it was blowing around as though their was a breeze, then it is fake. So if you have seen the footage, bare that in mind.

Peace

Raz

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My GCSE physics teacher explained to me that as there was less gravity on thye moon and the flag was spring loaded, therefore when the flag sprang up there was nothing to stop it moving in. giving the appearance that was "blowing in the wind". hope this helps.
ps my physics teacher was very knowledgable on anything

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We did land on the moon. Once. It's all out there.

The real interesting thing about the moon landing is the masonic connection ie Neil Armstrong with his freaky paraphernalia.

It was a religious thing in my opinion. They went up, payed homage to their god and came back.

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Sorry but what masonic connection?

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Mate we all know we've landed on the moon this is 2011, but it was staged once.

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And another

edkohout.com/mundane/moonlanding.html {Ed033's Note - Someone has taken a 10 minute excerpt of Chris Everard's Secret Space film and uploaded it to youtube - www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIW2cLOgMl8&feature=related

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Masonic connection = Illuminati links to moon activity and therefore it was covered up.

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Cheers for that ed please keep the good links flowing.

Raz {Ed033's Note - There are more links being added to this page most days - www.talkconspiracy.co.uk/conspiracy-interesting-articles.php }

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I'm sure you will be well aware that every gram that is carried into space has to be justified. It's difficult and expensive to get there so you cant just take all kinds of personal stuff just for the heel of it. Apollo 11 had some strange things aboard. Do a bit of searching and you'll see Neil Armstrong doing a masonic ritual on the moon.

Don't take my word for it, that's just as bad as believing the gov't.

Len

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22 Sep 2011 16:44:43
well if the freakin aliens are coming we need to be ready,stock up on the KY jelly because there will be anal probing GOD DAMN ANAL PROBING PEOPLE,well we will build are own tripods only ours will have four legs.
so i say feck em ET you wont get your stinking glowing finger near me.
The Anal Protector

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22 Sep 2011 14:37:54
Sorry, one more thing.
I see a lot of contradictory statements in these conspiracies.

1) Religions are man made by the people ˜in charge™
2) These same people ˜in charge™ want to create a NWO with ONE belief system

Bit contradictory isn™t it?

D-Dot

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What point are you trying to make?

I can't figure it out?

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Religion is man made to keep the masses under control

This keeping the masses under control helps the illuminati achieve their goal

Where is the contradiction?

If the masses were not under control and rioting for example it would be much more difficult for the illuminati to achieve their goal?

Again where is the contradiction?

Elaborate please Mate?


You seem a bit confused over the issues?

You are comparing apples with oranges and the result you get is nuts?

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No! My point is why would they create so many different religions as a means of creating ONE in the end?

Why not start out with ONE then they would have achieved their goal ages ago?

D-Dot

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D-DOT - it is a firm belief by those who have done their utmost to explore all religions to their very core beginnings that they did all actually start out as one. What having lots of different 'religions' does it create the potential for each one to be disbelieved - which some feel was one key aim of the illuminati. It is an interesting point. The only religions ever to really have been discredited are the ones that depict a single 'god' - all 'multi-god' religions have just been left to do their own thing because they immediately support the notion that there was never one solitary god.

By creating more than one religion and therefore belief system of who God is, and by having a theory of evolution, the aim converting modern societies to atheism is well under way.

Raz

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I see where you are coming from, especially given the similarities in most religions.

But religions fragment all the time, there's always someone with a different argument.

I suppose different religions tailered to control different area's/ peoples?

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Well if you are honest with yourself, consider this: if there was simply one theory of God, or even no theory, but everyone believed, then there would be peace, and you would not be able to manipulate people, and nobody would consider the idea that they were not right in their beliefs. But think about this - you introduce a new belief system, and no matter how strong your faith is, a small part of you considers it through the lens of the new belief system. It plants that seed of doubt that can be manipulated. Would there be any form of religious war or power struggle if we all believed the same thing? Of course not. And if you were Illuminati and you had very set-in-stone beliefs about the Creator, and you wanted the rest of the world to feel there is no god, would you use whatever means necessary including creating more than one form of religion? yes you would. Would you use it against people? Of course. Would it help your aim or a faithless world who can be 'conveniently' rescued by your NWO? Of course....
Raz {Ed033's Note - Documentary on mind manipulation, The Century of the Self - ‪www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyPzGUsYyKM&feature=related‬ }

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Cheers mate, it's on the to do list which is sadly longer than today had hours.
Raz

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Religions are like coffee many flavors

As one religion will not be palatable to all

I thought that was obvious?

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Makes sense.. but still doesnt really explain why they didnt just begin with what they are going to call a NWO. Would have been a lot quicker. If no one knew anything else apart from NWO then we would be living in it now. How do you know we are not?

D-Dot

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D-Dot - because the anti-chirst isn't here yet. Or ruling yet. It's all about the return of the anti-christ.

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There is no such thing as a NWO

I know hulk hogan, razor ramone and I think Diesel were the NWO in the WWF that's about it, am probably on the wrong forum?

Stone Cold battled the NWO!

There is no NWO in any sense like the illuminati?

Alliances have already been formed?

The break up of America as a power will seen china and India exert their place in the military might of the world nations and some new alliances will be formed.

However NWO was just a termed coined, I believe it is a red herring however I am open to be educated?

The illuiminati have been linked to a new world order and so has the emerging economic might of the chinese but does it mean any one thing or point in any one meaningful direction?

The hidden hand {Ed033's Note - My opinion is that it doesn't matter what you call this agenda or what name you give to the groups carrying out the agenda. To me there is an agenda and part of the agenda is in the Aaron Russo interview with Alex Jones as Aaron Russo was friends with Nick Rockefeller. Here is the interview - www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGAaPjqdbgQ

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Alex Jones is an agent of mis-information

Jones is a tool of the illuminati

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22 Sep 2011 14:32:49
And one more thing. Dont you think that if there is life on other planets, governments are covering up things left, right and center, aliens are living among us, illuminati controls finances, etc etc, WHAT IS THE POINT IN GOING TO WORK and wasting all your time for a measly little wage. All seems rather pointless.

D-Dot

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Really?

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Tell us more?

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The aliens are indeed walking among us,
the have infiltrated our governments they are spraying our atmosphere with chemicals (CHEM-TRAILS) to create there own and to kill off us in the process,
they have created a economic crisis so to break the will and hope of the people.
a broken disorganized people is a controllable people.
The Anal Protector

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Just that looking at the bigger picture, all other things dont seem worthwhile.

If everyone truly believed world was ending in 2012 why are you going to spend your last year working?

D-Dot

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A very good point D-DOT. I don't know if people think it is ending in 2012 though... I think that notion was presented years ago and now things have developed a bit, e.g. the Mayan calendar never ended at 2012 which was the main reason people started thinking the world would.

What is said to be happening in 2012 is the creation of Zion. To you and me this means there will be an attempt at establishing a NWO, even if it is the very rough beginnings. What many think is that this will suddenly ahppen overnight like some massive bad event and then boom, big big change. I doubt it will happen like that. There will be a new elected leader in Israel. Then, over the next 10 years expect there to be gradual changes with the way things are done around the world.. the cost of fuel, living, health, new 'medicines', the changes will be gradual and we 'sheeple' will just fall in line. Here and thre will be all this talk of how fantastic the NWO will be and before we know it it will have happened. Electronic money is one example. No hard cash, period. We're talking chipping. I mean come on, we are the human race, if my fortune is memorised in a chip on my arm along with my name address and my life, and every time I go into a shop that information pops up somewhere, then I am OUT.

Raz

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Anal protector why would the aliens be poisoning our planet unless your going to say they are changing the atmosphere so they can live here because they are already arent they? and with their technology being 1000's of years in advancement of our own dont you think they could wipe us out with some kind of virus or the like?, they do have the ability to abduct and have been doing this for hundreds or thousands of years so surely they could just dump us into space and we'd all burn up on re-entry

Tip of the day use your head!!

The Anal Punisher

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For something to do. I've unemployed, god was it boring. Day time tv is garbage.

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I think all of this stems from the FACT that we KNOW the government lies to us all the time (doesnt matter which gov't, they all do it). So it naturally follows that we naturally end up thinking "what else aren't they telling us?"

Len

Ps. For example I'll use the Richard Hoagland thing with NASA. Remember how he explained the first time he realised that NASA were lying about Mars? They released a statement saying they couldn't get line of sight just yet and delayed a broadcast, saying that they were waiting for their probe to clear a mountain range. Well Hoagland does some quick calculations and works out that for this to be true, the mountain range would have to be over 2000 miles high.

They were lying.

And the reason?

They wanted to delay so their pet journalist could ask the first (probably vetted) question and he had been drunk the night before.

Len

PPs. I would hate to try and run a moern government without lies. Nightmare job.

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2012 is nothing.

Or it should be. It has been bandwagoned to further an agenda that needed speeding up.

Len

ps. I'm not trying to be cryptic, I'm just planting seeds.

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We work as we are motivated by money
and material possessions?

Really thought everyone knew that the illuminati certainly do?

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I know that dimbat. Why must everyone be patronising when being asked to open your minds a bit. It is obvious that NO ONE believes the world will end in 2012 because if they did they would get all the money they have now and enjoy the material things for the last year. Why would you go to work and save for it all to be gone and worthless. So that's one conspiracy down - 1million to go.

D-Dot

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D-Dot I know mate it gets infuriating when people are so patronising on here. Makes it hard to rise above it.
Raz

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22 Sep 2011 14:27:33
Just a thought “ everyone believes the government are lying to us, and that there is proof of life on other planets and aliens have visited before... but what about if all the ˜quotes™ and ˜sightings™ that people have made are all lies too. Has anyone on here seen an alien or UFO (that could not be explained rationally) with THEIR OWN eyes.
Even what people say is evidence of alien existence in previous civilisations, these people could have had imaginations too you know and simply made stuff up.
Dont forget this is the internet where anyone can write anything about anything they want and fake and doctor any picture they want.
I am not saying that aliens have not visited (personally i think they may have) but I think people are just willing the government to be corrupt to rebel against the power in the world.
One point that the ˜Chris Tamworth™ made was ˜what if this is all there is™. Think about that for a second

D-Dot

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Ive seen a ufo with my own eyes a few months bak, had a friend with me wen a wis walking my dog thru the countrysie on a clear summers day, n while pointing out chemtrails a metallic silver object flew almost directly above us, about the height of a 2 story building n appered 2 slow almost 2 a halt, n while we were lookin at it it sort of vanished, although the area were it had been looked a bit fuzzy, leavin me 2 believe it had some sort of cloakin device, n it felt like it wis eavsedroppin on us, as when we mentionted how cool it would b if it disapeared, a few seconds l8r it happenend, although i personally feel this might b some sort of secret government technololgy, and just a week b4 tht happened a good friend of mine seen a ufo on his way home from work in his car, n without him reporting it it still apeare in the local paper the next day, in the exact spot with the same escription, so i hav no reason not 2 believe him

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Hi mate, I regularly consider what if this is all there is, and always end up at the same point - I doubt it is. This may sound daft but that closing scene at the end of Men In black where the camera zooms out and just keeps going, until you are looking at the galaxies from a distance, and then the galaxies are being rolled around like marbles... I love that concept.
Raz

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Raz

Yeah i love the MIB conccept as well the end scene has always stuck in the mind.

My point was basically, no-one knows, i doubt the government (or a power above the government) even know what's out there.

And.. if aliens have landed, what is there to hide? I am trying to think logically what the government/higher power wouldnt want us to know.

D-Dot

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D-Dot i think why they ( the govenment ) would hide the fact of the excistence of aliens is due to the religious belief of millions of people who whole heartedly believe God is the creator and we the people of earth are the only people in the whole universe (stupid i know) which would create yet more religious wars and people looting and going abit nuts

MJ

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Well the Eds will be able to help me out on this but a few decades ago, maybe in the 50s, government officials got together and it was decided that if the public were told the truth about alien landings and sightings, it would be a catastrophe, as mankind as a whole was simply not ready for this knowledge. (Sorry but what arrogant tossers honestly.) So they agreed to a silence at all costs. Instead, society has slowly but surely been drip-fed references to ET life in holywood and the media and sometime soon it may be revealed, and we will be desensitized.

I can't remember the name of that meeting or agreement but it was something like Bloomberg or Bloomsbury or something.

Raz {Ed033's Note - There was the Brookings Report in the 1960's that all the Governments agreed to. }

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That's the one! Told you the Eds would have my back.

Raz

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If this is "all that there is" then this is all that there is?

But what if its not?

Have you and Chris considered that possibility?

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I never said that that's what i believe. Personally i believe that there is definitely more out there but i am not writing off the chance that this may be all there is. I keep an open mind but you have to consider both view.

D-Dot

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22 Sep 2011 13:52:43
Raz i just wanted to ask you about mars. You say that there is proof that there was life on mars. I'm aware of the cydonia anomalies but i thought they'd all been disproved or shown to be trick of the light etc. Unless they doctored the recent photo's of course. Is there something i've missed some other evidence? Anything i should look for in particular? Incidentally on the wider issue its almost a mathmatical certainty of life elsewhere. Mort.

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It was discovered a few years ago that there was water on Mars at one point that harboured bacteria. Apologies if I have got that wrong but I read about this about 5 years ago or something. I will see I can dig something out.
Raz {Ed001's Note - wasn't it NASA that made the claim?}

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I am not too sure mate. I have seen that photo of the 'face' and I must admit that is on a hiding to nothing - I have seen clouds that look like fish, an arrow through a hart, aeroplanes, dinosaurs, animals, you name it, and I have seen land formations that resemble faces, people, trees that grow in such weird shapes that they look like a cock and balls..... my point is, I think that 'face' is utterly meaningless. That someone in a documentary or two and a few press releases feels that after whatever research they have done, there was once a small window of opportunity for life to exist on Mars, is far more interesting a think to investigate. I will see what I can find, just popping in and out at the moment.
Raz

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OK cheers, yeah i remember the water thing now.

Mort.

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I just had a look and couldn't really find much after all but I remember specifically about the water thing. {Ed033's Note - Richard Hoagland was showing lots of photos that had tiny dark patches on them and claimed that it was water a few years back. }

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22 Sep 2011 13:33:46
Check this yo:

youtube.com/watch?v=OibqdwHyZxk

Peace

Raz

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What do people think?

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Here is one man airing his views on the trailer I linked above... please watch both, would be good to hear what people think.

youtube.com/watch?v=BlRaduHmTVg

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22 Sep 2011 13:16:50
How about we all give Chris a break and a chance to show a different side?

Comments?

The hidden hand

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22 Sep 2011 13:08:26
Chris. Len would disagree I am using my time wisely but I feel sometimes people really don't know what they're doing or the effect they have, so I will take the time, this last time, to highlight some things.

1) "...consistent that I don't believe aliens have visited the earth and I don't believe in god and I think anyone who does is wrong, just as all the believers think I am wrong. I don't hear them agreeing with me that I could be right." - b****cks mate. I have said it and so have others, if you believe something that is fine, but you are not 'right' and neither are you. You need to learn to stop telling everyone else they are 'wrong' because you do not KNOW they are. Myself, Jay, everyone else, do not say you are wrong. We merely ask that, like us, you justify your beliefs.

2) "what I consider to be ramblings about aliens and gods" - this is a more mild yet no less significant form of your backhandedness. You don't like to say 'talk of aliens', you say 'ramblings', a cheap little pop that makes your feelings crystal clear. There are ways of doing things. By saying 'I 100% disagree, I have never believed in that stuff, this is why' you have respectfully said your part. But you litter your posts with comments like 'ramblings' which leave a bad taste in the mouth. This is't about being over sensitive either, this si a serious skill you need for life, otherwise you will simply have a trail of people who bare you face to face and when you leave, call you a tw4t behind your back, because you are abrasive an unwilling to hear others or learn. In this day and age those type of people get nowhere.

3) Just to highlight, nobody has said your beliefs are wrong. You continually say we are wrong though. Where is your proof? We cannot call you wrong because we have as much proof as you do, the difference is we don't try, we just keep telling you to stop saying you are 'right'.

4) "Little thing called evolution" - little thing called sarcasm? What do you think you are gaining with this level of response? Nothing/

5) "I have no idea and neither do you and yet you choose to take the aliens option as explanation" - yes, some CONSIDER the alien stuff. That is a big generalisation though. You cannot even be bothered to separate the issues being discussed, and you generalise with statements like this. 'I have no idea and neither do you' is probably the first sensible thing I have heard you say. BUt you can't say 'AND you choose to take' - you say 'YET'. Yet? Meaning what? You cannot even believe some people do? Because your take is the right one?

6) "Unfortunately this site seems to have forgotten about these minor irritations and instead wants to focus on complete bloody fruitcake talk about gods and bloody aliens." - I have already commented on this. Where were you when we were talking about Diana, 9/11, Illuminati, the monarchy, Moon landings et al. ? Nowhere. Selective. Chris doesn't believe in Gods therefore there are no Gods. Ok mate. I don't believe in 'God' as I was taught it, but as a man of science who understands one theory of creation, the same one you believe, it is entirely possible that other beings have visited and ancient people thought they were God. What I like to do (rather like bungee jumping because I am scared of heights) is to consider that which I believe to be impossible. Just think about it, imagine if a God really appeared in your life time, or an alien. Just imagine it.

7) "Here's a question for you if aliens have been/ are visiting us why can't they just be open about it and say hello?" - well mate many people think they did. You want to talk about government cover ups, yet not this kind of cover up? There is enough supporting evidence. Do some research and you will see there are thousands of artefacts that pre-date modern man. There are so many things that cannot be explained, that lead people in the direction of ET activity, yet you will not even consider it. You can still maintain your beliefs whilst considering something. But you do not know they haven't been here, so why try and make everyone feel daft for considering they have? THAT is small-minded and arrogant.

8) "In other words imaginary beings that simple people believed in because they didn't know any better." If you still think that deities were imaginary then seriously mate just do us a favour and enrol at your nearest school in year 5. This typifies your stinking attitude to stuff that has been documented for years. Consider this - what we now call kings and presidents were called Gods thousands of years ago. They achieved a great deal more, apparently with 'no' technology or science to speak of. They were certainly not imaginary and only a simple being would say that. This is one of the most condescending, arrogant things I have read for a long time and i sums your attitude up very well. Funny how we don;t start to get any sense from you until we back you into a corner isn't it. Open your eyes, do some research, then, with well-rounded argument, come on here and put us down the proper way, with respect.

9) "Jay you know your stuff no doubt and I am not trying to pretend I know more than you" - cold have fooled us but you actually don't know that much ironically. We continue to ask for your valid input but rarely get it. If you have a theory on something lets hear it, that's what we're all here for.

10) " It is just as likely, in fact much more likely (although you'll never admit it) that aliens have never visited our planet" - aaaaah, the sound of a man caught up in his own bulls**t to such an extent he would come out with a comment like this. So you believe in evolution yet refuse to think ETs would come to our planet. Riiiiiight.

11) "My argument is that when there is a lack of real evidence for something and a lot of evidence against something it is time to take a pragmatic approach and just use some common sense." By saying this, you imply we don't have any - common sense or evidence to suggest there have been visitations. Now what you need to do is some research. Lots. You'll discover your beloved government cover ups too, so you should enjoy it. I hope I am not being too patronising.

12) "Something that, despite all the obvious intelligence on this site, is sadly lacking." There you go again with your snide comments.

13) "Frightened that there is no great mystery, no alien power, no divine intervention, maybe you're frightened to accept that maybe, just maybe this is all there is. Personally I think you are too "simple minded" to realise this." This is an interesting point. It would be a real shame if this is all there is. But there is already evidence that there was once life on Mars. But the point here is you have no right to call anyone on here simple-minded, if anything the people on here are the opposite, they are the ones willing to stretch, question and test what they think they know. You are implying that Jay is delusional and you have no right to do that. You have no idea who is right.

14) " Not that the facts will bother you, you've already been brainwashed to believe a bloody fairy story so I think I will apply the "simple minded" statement to you as well. " Really? Why are you here then?

I am not even going to begin to go through your responses to the star child stuff. You think it's fake, others are prepared to field as much evidence as possible before deciding. You don't like that.

Most of this has come from just TWO of your posts. Is it any wonder we're getting a bit fed up? Nobody minds if you don't believe something mate, nobody cares. We just like to hear explanation, not 'because I'm not simple/mental/a fruitcake like all of you' - there is no place here for that kind of crap. At this point we'd all respect you if you just made an apology but most importantly post on here with a new attitude, start a topic, discuss you point of view without putting others down, etc.

Peace.

Raz

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22 Sep 2011 11:59:00
Please could anyone suggest some new-ish documentaries on google
and does anyone know of any new Scott Noble stuff being released ?
Please no lizard people or 2012 end of days suggestions .
I thank you!

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22 Sep 2011 09:57:57
are some of these ufos from the future , think of the high tech stuff we have seen in the last 100 odd years , they say knowledge doubles every 2 years , at this rate and if humans dont blow the whole earth up in a future war , who knows in maybe 100 years forward into the future the high tech will be things that right now we struggle to even think off.........lfc

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22 Sep 2011 07:22:59
Hi all, just been reading the posts and I'd like to make a point about belief.

I have read/pondered/studied loads of theories over the years, some about conspiracies, some about science, some about religion (my fave) just like some of you appear to have done.

If at any point during the last 20 years I had decided "right, thats the one...I BELIEVE" then my journey would be over long before I learned anything.

When you believe something you are automatically predisposed to defend it against new evidence and this is where most people fall down (IMO).

I could bang on about this all day but my shift ends in 40 mins and there's always more to add no matter how concise one tries to be.

Keep searching y'all.

Len

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This is where I stand Len, I have my beliefs but or standpoints but they are always open to change.
Raz

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I think if people having faith in God can help them in their life during the difficult times then fair play to them and all the best.
Its people getting others to kill in the name of God that needs to stop, even George Bush used this bullsh*t tactic to whip the American public into a frenzy now and again.

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Beliefs are self protecting mechanisms and are hard to change (not impossible)

Why do you think the liverpool banter forum is so conflicted?

People beliefs are ingrained into their make up

The hidden hand

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22 Sep 2011 07:02:23
Raz, I have made replies to some of the points raised however those posts seem to have not made it onto this page (another conspiracy?). Most of what you have said isn't true in as much as I'm not trying to make snide remarks just giving my point of view, which has offended some on here very quickly. I think you will find that I have been the one "attacked" for daring to stand my corner.
Your constant slagging off of Tamworth is interesting especially as I would agree it isn't the best town and I'm not from Tamworth, merely in it, I actually come from Saltash in Cornwall. Recently statistically named the best town in the UK. Will this make my opinion more valid as you seem to set so much importance in it? What town are you from Raz?

Chris in Tamworth {Ed001's Note - your replies consisted of snide remarks and digs and nasty comments and so I deleted them. You have never tried to give your point of view, you have instead said 'this is the truth because I say so and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot'. That is not giving your point of view, that is not a way to start a sensible discussion, that is just shouting down people who have different views to you.}

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Ed001 you are a disgrace my replies were not full of snide remarks and digs or nasty comments any harsher than those used against me in posts that you happily put up. My point of view has been consistent that I don't believe aliens have visited the earth and I don't believe in god and I think anyone who does is wrong, just as all the believers think I am wrong. I don't hear them agreeing with me that I could be right. The other posters replies to me have been much more personal than my own posts but you are happy to put them up. You need to re-read all that has been posted by all parties then you will see you have been misguided in singling me out for criticism

Chris in Tamworth {Ed001's Note - rubbish. Your posts are snide and overbearing. Other people have tried to have a discussion with you and all you do is shout them down. You don't take in anyone else's point of view, you just sit their typing your close minded views and refusing to take anything in from other people. I fail to understand why you are even on here, you have no interest in talking about it, just about telling us all how you are right and, unless we believe the same as you, we are all wrong. You would be far better off writing a blog or something, because you clearly have no interest in what other people have to say and just want to tell us all what you know.}

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Chris from Tamworth:
The Ed is right mate, I don't believe in God therefore I don't visit Religious forums and shoot down the viewpoints / discussions being had there.

You're a s**t-stirrer mate, get a life - if you don't believe in conspiracy theories, go hang out on a forum that interests you.

RED_SKY

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My view was that there are many conspiracy theories which I have opinions on that I feel are much more important than what I consider to be ramblings about aliens and gods. I am not telling anyone that I am right only what I believe and you Ed are being hugely selective if you can't see that everybody who has argued with me is doing exactly what you have criticised me for namely saying I must be wrong and ridiculed and insulted because I don't agree with their point if view. I'm not trying to stir any s**t I'm trying to cut through it. Surely one of the main cornerstones of a site like this is debate? Well you aren't going to get any debate if everybody thinks the same way. Still, I've been told I'm not welcome so I suppose I should just take notice and stop coming on here

Chris in Tamworth {Ed001's Note - nobody has been saying your beliefs are wrong at all, so stop lying to try and make it sound like you are being hard done by. You are the only one trying to cut out the debate by shouting down anyone who says something other than you and by trying to claim everything you see is a fact.}

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Chris

If you do not believe in god thats okay no one here was trying to convert you!

However when anyone said there is a god you say they have a simple mind some people find that insulting to me its makes no difference but you do not consider other people points of view.

Your view is that there is no god so we should all except there is no god based on your opinion?

Once anyone mentions god all that they have posted is BS, do you think that is the right way to go?

Maybe for you it is, but is their a better way of handling it?

I personally don't believe in aliens however I have asked others why they believe in them? I am open to the possibility of Aliens but the evidence so far is not enough for me to believe

Do you see what's wrong?

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Sorry guys just woke up, let me make my brew and then I will address this post with respect. I will do my best to briefly highlight the sort of comments that you throw around by trade Chris in Tamworth, which, judging by the first 2 lines I red, you have used so often you perhaps don't even realise. Brb. Note I am not looking to get anyone banned or anything but I will make my point very clear in a moment.
Raz

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22 Sep 2011 06:27:01
Here's one for ya. I swear this is exactly how it happened.

In the summer of 1998, just before the world cup, I was playing amateur football in Warrington. I arrived to pick up one of the lads on the way to training and just to make conversation, I asked him "who do you fancy for the world cup?".
He looked at me as if I was the stupidest person he'd ever met and said "It's fixed, France are gonna win it."
It kinda stunned me at the time and no more mention was made of it...it stayed with me though.

Len

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Here's one for you mate!

I was building a house in an area I have no connections too it was in a forrest!

At the end of the house build with not much left to do just painting, carpentry, and a bit of tiling, the workers left their tools on the left hand side of the living room as you walk in the door, (no one had keys to the house except me) the next day when we arrived on site and I opened up the house the tools were on the other side of the room?

2 of the 5 workers refused to work in the house?

What happened?

We later discoved that some people were killed had work related accidents working on other housing estates in this small development!

The hidden hand

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What the feck? That is crazy. I love stuff like this. If anyone has any more stories like this please do divulge. I may even tell you some about myself - they are perhaps slightly weirder than this so it would be a big leap of faith for me to tell you some shiz that goes on with me but I may just do that.
Raz

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What a load of rubbish! Fix the world cup? Not possible. Fun site Ed, though I enjoy things like this, some to goes beyond belief. Great crack tho.
Mike

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Why don't you Raz, what's stopping you?

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What we don't understand always goes beyond belief by definition

If we believed all the strange things that happen it would not be unbelievable

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P.s. I agree with Mike you cannot fix a world cup event. It just so happens France were the best in the world then.
Raz

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That's true, France were great. It's just weird the way it happened. And the guy who told me was kind of an empty-head. It was before a ball had been kicked.

Len

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22 Sep 2011 01:00:37
Chris in Tamworth

I am clearly not the only one that is getting fed up with your sharp tongue and incessant snide comments. A little cheep dig here, a backhanded comment there... just give it a rest.

There are generally 2 types of people on this site: 1) those who are interested in coming on here to stoke the fire of curiosity, perhaps hear a perspective they hadn't considered, and to learn about something new. Those people will be interested in some things, have opinions on some things, will believe some things, and won't believe other things. But what this type of person is happy to do is discuss their and others' opinions and theories on conspiracies and respect a differing point of view. These people will be glad when someone gives them a helpful nudge in the direction of a new topic or a good source of information, or simply interesting reading. They are the type of people who say things like "Fair enough... I don't believe it because... even if you do..." and "I know you said you don't believe in this but go to this website, you may be surprised what you read..." and other such comments.

Then there is the other type, 2) the type of people who are not interested in what other people think, have not come on here because they are naturally interested in other perspectives, not interested in developing their own ideas on theories and events, not interested in really even respecting the ideas, enthusiasm, theories, effort and opinion of others. In fact, they probably don't really even know why they are here. They have no diplomacy. They do very little research before saying with utter conviction that anyone who believes something different to them is, one way or another, not correct, nor perhaps right in the head, nor indeed able to observe priorities in their lives. They are patronising, snide, and small minded - not because they have their beliefs and have justified them, and, having perused clear evidence on some topics, decided that they don't believe the theory presented - but because they view themselves as superior to others whose agendas don't tally with their own. Someone may think differently to Person Type 2, but that someone, in person type 2's eyes, is wrong. Type 2 not only do not want to research, but they are not interested in the idea of something they don't believe actually being true. In this sense, they are completely incapable of learning. This is you, Chris in Tamworth. You may not be the only Type 2 on here, but you are certainly the only one that is pissing people off, including the Eds.

You dislike giving grounded argument along with your sharp, derisory opinion. You make poor attempts at hiding behind the very argument we pose to you - being small minded - as though it will wash with us, or we may suddenly realise where we have been going wrong. This does not work, and we don't buy your crap. You and I both know that the small minded person is not, and make sure you read my words properly here, the one who chooses to consider something you find utterly implausible, but in fact the one who refuses to consider anything other than what they already think they know.

I hope I am not being too stupid for you. I hope I am, by giving you this time and attention, prioritising my life adequately and to the Tamworth standard.

The day mankind decides, like Chris in Tamworth, that they have learned enough, is surely the day we cease to exist as intelligent life.

Raz

P.s. FYI - I am a scientist. I have not always been one, but I have always been atheist. I looked up at the clouds as a boy and thought 'no way, it simply isn't possible' and that was that. I believe in the theory of evolution. It is plausible. What may surprise you is that I believe is spiritualism, I believe there is a POSSIBILITY of other dimensions, I believe there is no way we should be certain we are the only planet supporting life. In no terms do I believe that, like you say, there is no reason to believe aliens have or would visited this planet.

If you believe the theory of evolution then you must believe the theory of the origins of the planet and its formation, in which case you must surely believe there is every chance that there are planets out there exactly like ours, and also containing life and atmospheres different in ways we cannot even comprehend.

But aside from all the small talk, my main P.S. point is this: if, in our generation, and it is apparently our generation that things will happen, if some form of real or metaphorical anti-christ does 'rule from Zion' - Israel to you - and sh!t hits the fan, I will be more than happy to believe there are Angels, a God, Satan, aliens, all the rest of it, because one of the most talked about, passed-on events this planet has ever known will have taken place, something which as been written about since the dawn of mankind... either this one or the one from millions of years ago. Would you change yours?

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Some good points there m8. I will add this though...DON'T FEED THE TROLLS.

It's quicker and has the same effect.

Len

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Haha yes Len. I have to say though he doesn't think he's a troll, he's just ridiculously anal but worse, not nice with it.
Raz

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22 Sep 2011 00:12:39
evolution - a fairy tale for adults lol.............lfc

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