Conspiracy Talk Archive March 23 2013

 

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23 Mar 2013 18:44:43
So Boris Berezovsky found dead in his bath, apparently suicide, really?
Yeah I could imagine having real hard time of it. Fell out with Putin, friend of poisoned russian Litvinenko. Lost a legal battle with Abramovich recently.

Supasub

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It could very well be just suicide, or a well timed assassination, either way his life was getting worse and worse.
huddz red

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24 Mar 2013 11:13:44
I think anyone who is an opponent of Putin that suddenly ends up dead is always going to be viewed as suspicious especially if it looks like suicide or an accident. There has been too many over the years. The guy is ex kgb and has many friends and contacts both with those who went freelance and those still inside the kgb.

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Criticised putin found dead in surrey. Talk of suicide. Rubbish. The arm of the kgb remains long.

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This happens to oftern to be ignored, they are not even subtle about it anymore however we can expect the press to go quiet once again.

Jonty

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Interestingly enough the paramedics PED dosimeter monitor went off when leaving the premises, apparently it's a health & safety device carried that measures nuclear radiation. But it then goes on to say that it could have been just very sensitive, I take it that that is the end of that then, case closed.

Supasub

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I've always thought Abramovic is shady, it doesn't surprise that one of is enemies has "died mysteriously", it probably isn't the first time one of his enemies has died.

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The guy was 67 and had been through a lot. I am all for conspiracies but maybe its legit?

Neil

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23 Mar 2013 19:20:33
surprise surprise Chris Huhne the mp who asked he's ex wife to take the wrap over speeding then got 8 months has only spent a week then got moved to a easy open prison, ffs a week, it makes me mad, no doubt he will have a cushy job and give it 4 weeks he will be on tagg.

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He is of no danger to the public. He is being deprived of liberty and his family, keeping him in a tough prison with murderers and sex offenders would only be about revenge.

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Deffo a wind up comment from the unnamed poster for one he would not be mixing with murders and nonces he would be in a different wing plus people who don't pay there taxes do not have that luxury to get shifted to a open prison, to me he is lower than low, everyone makes mistakes but that coward could not man up and was willing to let's he's ex take the wrap, I know fellers who have done time and they have more honor than that scroat.

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A wind up because I don't agree with you? Personally I have no time for the man who has proven to be a liar and a coward but my point was he is not a danger to the public. I really fail to see why you are so angry about him being moved prisons or released early from an already overcrowded, expensive and inadequate system.

As a taxpayer I say sue him and his wife for the entire cost of the investigation and trial and let them live with the shame.

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24 Mar 2013 11:18:46
I said when he got sentenced this would happen. I said out by the time the football season ends and on to a lucrative book deal, appearing on tv chat shows and maybe a newspaper column. Of course he's deprived of his liberty, he broke the law. Someone like me or franky would have served the full eight months and none of it in an open prison.

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Jeffrey archer springs to mind the establishment will always look after their own one rule for the rich and famous one for the rest of us

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To the unnamed poster again its not because you do not agree with me but like a few of us have said what about the rest of the people who have committed some type of fraud and are no danger to the public?i know for a fact that this is pretty rare for someone who has not even spent one month inside, who ever made this proposal for him to be moved has greased someones pockets.

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How do u know he won't be in with murderer's, u been in wandsworth?

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No I have not, you get categorised so murders and violent people won't be on the same wing as a feller who who is dodging paying he's income tax.

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There are different types of fraud. Getting your wife to take points is still a million miles away from conning the elderly out of their life savings.

I'm not advocating jailing anyone who isn't a danger to the public whether they be in a position of importance or not. Franky you seem to be full of hate towards this person because you deem him to be part of the 'establishment', do 2 wrongs make a right? Is this a class issue for you?

I'll reiterate my original point; if someone is no danger to society
why do we feel it necessary to burden the tax payer funded prison system in lieu of any other punishment?

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Like or not he is or was part of the establishment and was a position of trust and he abused it hence my stand on this topic, mate your not going to turn this in to a class argument because if you read my posts I have not mentioned class once, finally I will try and make this crystal clear to you, if EVERYONE WHO IS NOT A RISK TO THE PUBLIC GETS MOVED TO A OPEN PRISON AFTER A COUPLE OF WEEKS OF he's SENTENCE FINE, AGREE WITH YOU, BUT THIS IS NOT THE NORM.

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Wow SHOUTING down the keyboard, really? I've noticed that's a few occasions now where you don't take kindly to anyone disagreeing.

I was under the impression this page was to discuss the topics raised rather than be shot down when it doesn't match your beliefs. Seems you want to dominate this page without any dissension. Rather totalitarian!

{Ed033's Note - You seem to be using the delphi technique. This is the technique some social workers are taught to goad a response from a parent that can be deemed "violent", even if it is just a small increase in the volume of the parent's voice. This alleged "violent" reaction to the social worker is then deemed enough to allow the child(ren) to be removed.

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Was not shouting feller I was trying to make my point stand out without getting drawn in to a argument about class or anything else, if you think a former politician should be treated differently to the majority of people who have done the same thing then more power to you, since you have not put your name at any time to your posts I will call you flamethread if you don't mind?.

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Franky I agree with a lot of what you post here but I have to agree with the other guy, I have some understanding of the justice system and this is the norm, it stinks however if it had been me or you we would have ended up in the same place.

Jonty

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Jonty no problem disagreeing mate, you might know the justice system a hell of a lot better than me but I am speaking from experience with family and friends.

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Spot on the whole way through Franky. If someone that didn't have this blokes profile they wouldn't get special treatment. But at the same time, someone with this blokes profile and previous position is often seen as an easy target inside. There is a good chance he was moved for his own safety rather then because of a pay off.

Melbourne CFC

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If his safety was an issue then he could have been segregated. I have been in prison for less serious offences than this guy and I was banged up 23 hours a day. No open jail for me and I do not have a history of violence etc.

Double standards for rich and poor.

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Agreed melbourne they have prob moved him more because of the threat of violence so in turn he would get bribed in to paying for protection of some sort which does happen to high profile people, it cuts no ice with me a lad that I knew who was doing time and tried to get to a open prison because certain people had a beef with him, after two months of trying he hung himself in he's cell.

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I realise it is still very much double standards, but unfortunately that's how it is for most things. You have to look at it from the governments point of view whether you agree with it or not. The unfortunate truth is Frankies mate, that ended up unfortunately ending his life didn't end up on the front page of papers. If this bloke did that it would be plastered everywhere and a lot of questions would be asked about the states ability to protect inmates from eachother etc.

I don't condone it, as you'll see from my agreement with Frankie on my previous post, but I can still understand why they have done it, even though I don't agree with the double standards used.

Melbourne CFC

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Melbourne mate like I have said many times on here, if we all agreed with each other it would be a boring site and I do respect your point of view it is just my honest feelings on this topic.

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25 Mar 2013 18:24:14
maybe some bull took a fancy to him who knows. I agree that an ordinary person like most on this board would find it highly unlikely of being moved. I also agree that most people guilty of fraud should not be clogging up prison and should be fined and only jailed if unable to pay. But that goes for ordinary people as well as politicians.

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23 Mar 2013 19:13:36
any one ever read a book called thatchers gold I've searched everywhere for a copy but can't find it all I know about it is mark thatcher and his business dealings with the saudis and the arms deals that his mothers government at the time did with them seems he was on the payroll of them can anyone shed any light on it for me

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23 Mar 2013 16:16:59
What do people think of the barabbas mystery?

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It really does not matter which jesus died as religion is a fraud.

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23 Mar 2013 17:55:43
Franky we know religion is all tosh but its interesting to see just how much has been lied with regards this one. Just wondered what people thought or if they'd heard this one before.

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There is very little lies said about Barabbas in comparison to the rest of the New Testament and Bible in general. While there is very little historical evidence for Barabbas (and Jesus I might add) people vary on the reasons for his appearance and some name him also as Jesus. This brings us into the realm of the 'Son of the Father' which is inherent in the name Barabbas itself. Historically there is little evidence of such an amnesty ever being in place in Judea at the time to release criminals during Passover. If there was? then chances are we would have heard about it in the writings of Josephus. One need only look through the 4 Gospels to see how much they differ on the events they proclaim to narrate. People who say the Bible is the word of God don't like hearing about the discrepancies throughout the work itself. The best quote I've come across in my studies was by a 3rd century Philosopher who wrote 'Against the Christians', Porphyry. Commenting on Paul's stories about Jesus he says it is the "story that never happened. Written by the man who wasn't there". Sound advice when thinking about what the Bible is supposed to represent.

Captain Needa

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24 Mar 2013 11:23:00
franky I think it does matter which one died since a religion got built up around the survivor. A religion which has persecuted countless millions, held back the human race, fleeced billions, and millions have died in wars over it. So dark the con of man.

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Sorry mate religion is not really my bag, and a valid point you make.

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23 Mar 2013 16:08:56
i think lawrence of arabia was murdered. Experienced biker crashes in perfect riding conditions. Yes accidents do happen but its suspicious so why was he murdered.

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23 Mar 2013 12:35:08
looks a good program starting on sky 1 next Friday at 9 pm, called revolution, its a American post-apocalyptic science fiction television drama, an unknown phenomenon disabled electricity on the planet and effectively all devices powered by it, ranging from computers and electronics to car and jet engines. People were forced to adapt to a world without electricity. Due to the collapse of government and public order, many areas are ruled by warlords and militias. looks good.

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Ya seen that looks good
red rrab

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A glimpse into the future perhaps? lol. it's a scary thought that if the rubbish was truly to hit the fan it could all become a possibility

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23 Mar 2013 16:50:43
Seen the trailer a few times on picktv. For me the start will be the most interesting. Its more fascinating to see how society collapses than how it adapts.

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I've seen the first ten episodes and it's a very good show would recommend it.

Captain Needa

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Captain how come you seen it already?

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After seeing the ad on sky I downloaded the ten episodes that have already been shown in the states. They are also available to watch free online.

Captain Needa

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What site captain have you a link?

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You can watch them on this site here. I'm not sure if the eds. can post a link so maybe they can email it to you if you ask.

http://www.couchtuner.eu/revolution/

Just navigate through the ads and shut them down and you're sorted. I'll be interested to see what you think of the show.

Captain Needa

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23 Mar 2013 12:32:41
Just read the thread on global warming a bit further down and it's certainly a hot topic (sorry, couldn't resist!)

But here's something to consider.

In 1988 Thatcher founded the Intergovernmental Panel for Climate Change.

Their job wasn't to research climate change, but to prove global warming was man made. She campaigned tirelessly to governments around the world that the earth was getting hotter, and that C02 emissions and industry was responsible.

She was a huge advocate of nuclear power, had well documented issues with Britains coal industry and a reluctance to rely on middle eastern oil or Russian gas.

She basically told a massive lie, with no significant scientific evidence to support her claims. But given her scientific background, people believed her.

In 2003 she reversed her opinion. Writing in her book, Statecraft, she said she very much doubts that global warming is man made, and that solar activity and other natural factors are responsible.

What I find incredible is nobody seems to care.

Just another example of how the worlds leaders can manipulate the masses to achieve their goals.

Joe

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If thatcher said it is going to be cold in Siberia I would take my flip flops and Bermuda shorts and some sun tan lotion.

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- brilliant, love it

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