Conspiracy Talk Archive September 24 2011

 

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24 Sep 2011 21:37:32
Mike if you see this mate, look into Operation Northwoods. LFC may have mentioned it already but do check it out... it'll give you more info on exactly what the US government is prepared to do to be able to justify going to war on people.

Raz

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24 Sep 2011 19:50:59
Ok.... I have a pretty black & white, sometimes idealistic view of the world. I dislike sales people for the same reason I dislike people who push a religion onto you and then say 'I'm not telling you what to believe' - because I want to think for myself, and because I want to like things without being told I like it by somebody else.

With this in mind, I have to say, my entire life I have always wondered how some things 'occur' - namely with AIDS amongst other things. I now here there is a conspiracy that AIDS was actually created.

Every single time I have tried to converse with someone on the issue of how the disease came to affect humans, I get the same BS remark that someone probably shagged a monkey.

I would be really interested to hear people's thoughts on this. It's a dark subject but aren't they all?

Raz

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Have a look into polio vaccines in the early 60s in the usa raz , then take it from there - shocking thats all i can say........lfc

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I'm the same Raz, even teachers at school try to push religion on the kids.

Although I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I'm not sure how AIDS came about, and although unlikely, it could have been created by humans, bio-weapon maybe?
Hmmm?

Ted

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*not about shagging monkeys. Raz

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Cheers all. LFC I will look into that, thanks v much. I will post any links I think are worthy but in the meantime if you have any, plz do share!

Ted, I am looking into it. There are some disturbing theories out there as I am sure you can imagine.

Another one is that Fluoride is intentionally not being removed from bottled water despite health concerns, the reason being that it actually affects learning ability, and consequently makes us more like sheeple than people. there's a theory for you! Just as well I like the tap water, and rain water.
Raz

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Heard this as Raz, heard the same about bird flu (I'm sure it's bird flu)
2 students researching the disease and it's origins were brutally murdered after a lot of research. No one can be sure why they were murdered, especially so brutally. Some suggest that they were on the verge of discovering that it was man made, who knows though?
Anyone remember this?

RAZ, what was the film/video you said I should take a look at?

Peace

Jay {Ed033's Note - When the World Health Organisation went about removing small pox from Africa, they went into each village and separated those who had small pox from those that didn't have it to stop the spread of small pox. When the people who had small pox got over their bout of small pox, the small pox had no where to go so it died out from that village. This is how they eradicated small pox village by village. Then they would inject everybody in the village with what they thought was small pox vaccine but what they were really injected with was a substance that caused A.I.D.S. Here is a video about A.I.D.S being man made - video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1349285080949254539

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Jay, that is effing nuts. People say 'you watch too many films' but even so.... people think that just because something is in a film means it obv wouldn't happen. Here's the link to an article that describes your story in full Jay, for anyone else wanting to check it out.

www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread476968/pg1

I can't remember what it was I said you should check out Jay, maybe if you can remember the topic?
Raz

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Cheers for the link Raz, sorry, it was swine flu. Knew it was some kinda flu. Lol

Peace

Jay

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I hate magicians always trying to fool ya does my nut.
The Anal Protector

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When I heard that Mr Donald Rumsfeld was one of the main benefactors out of Swine Flu (the vaccination), I smelled a rat. It was a minor flu that was hyped up to generate sales for his company. I'd love to say the whole thing was despicable but it is nothing compared to 9/11 and I am now hearing of serious negative effects from the Swine Flu vaccination, i.e. the vaccination wasn't merely revenue generating, there was a possible more sinister purpose.

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24 Sep 2011 17:48:45
hi raz i'm sure someone will correct me but the greek debt is massive and will end in a default unless someone magically comes up with the money. A lot of this is held by the germans and french and would weaken them. It could create a domino effect in the other mediterranean economies. If they all start sliding the euro could collapse under the pressure as others try to secede from it and use market pressure. Its worst case scenario admittedly. Losing the single currency is a matter of prestige. As said the euro is the first stage of the nwo but i don't see why they'd collapse it to advance the project. Why not have it as a showcase to say to others look a single govt with a single currency works. As for our shadowy friends creeping out the woodwork with the money surely too many questions would be asked at some point. With a worldwide financial crisis no one supposedly has the money. Mort {Ed033's Note - It appears, the minions in the Euro parliament such as Jose Manuel Barroso, the President of the European Commission, think that they will continue with the Euro agenda no matter what - www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnH9cFA9Eks

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They can print money if they really need to,
question why wont they.
The Anal Protector

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The worse thing g.b. could do is join the euro currency , we all know this has been pushed by rome and the pro euro people since after ww2 , as most people are aware nearly 90 per cent of the laws in our parliament come from the eu , while of course some good things come from it , we are and are better off an island nation , free to trade with who ever we want , i will tell you one thing if any one cares to look - the eu agenda matches the old nazi partys policy almost to a tee , hard to belive , but its a fact..........

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Sorry forgot to sign my name to the eu post...............lfc

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Cheers guys.... I have some things I need to get my head round tbh, that could take a very long time!

Very worrying that these decisions are decided in Rome - can you be more specific as to where/who? It would be very interesting if you said the Pope. Although how it is his business I do not know! I think you are getting an idea for how little I know about this kind of stuff.
I don't doubt you about the Nazi stuff LFC... but could you give some examples, to satisfy my curiosity?

I don't quite get what some things mean - default - as in Greeks can't pay it back. Germans and French holding it? As in the Greeks owe the Germans? Sorry all....

RE: The collpase of the Euro - I think because if it collapses and the entire EU needs some sort of external bail out, 'they' will be on hand to provide it and we will not be in a position to say no. Unless you want to be charged 10 per litre of fuel, and to have inetrnational business ended, I am thinking drastic. I reckon whatever happens the whole point is that we and Europe are in the palm of somebody else's hand. Then I expect a new currency would be introduced or maybe a new form of money or credit.

Raz

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Raz , the program i seen was on one of the god tv type programs , which i used to watch for the end times stuff , but this guy showed that something like 48 or 49 of the national socialist workers party- nazis consitition matches the eu consitition , sometimes word for word, oh and a bit of advice that end time stuff can be a minefield , its interesting but you get the feeling that top people in charge are nearly planning a big war starting in the middle east, and pushing people into it..........lfc

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Cheers mate, am trying to find info on the constitutions now.
Raz

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24 Sep 2011 14:09:20
A new financial crisis is looming

The markets have lost 13% over the last few days and its feared a 1930's style depression could be upon us if the "right" decisions are not made in Berlin?

Isn't it funny how so few unknown people "the markets" can have so much influence over the lives of so many other billions of people!


Instead of looking for Aliens and monsters in the cupboard would'nt it be better to understand who controls the strings of the world you live in?

Many of you reading this may lose your jobs, your home, your pension, your savings etc. because of some nameless and faceless people why are these people less scary than aliens?


It it thet the aliens provide an escape from what is really going on and its too distressing to find out more about the physical plane?

Now I am not criticizing anyone or judging anyone just asking questions there are some overly sensitive souls here and I wouldn't want to thread on their fragile mental make up?

Should this not be the main topic at this particular time on a conspiracy forum?

Remember I am just asking question?

He who knows {Ed033's Note - My opinion, the bankers got themselves into 2 quadrillion dollars in debt through gambling, which is more than the people of the world can pay so it's a depression we are in and no way out for the people because the bankers run the governments.}

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But if as has been suggested by others that there is a conspiracy to usher in a one world govt then how does this advance the plan? Grreece is most likely going to default, this puts tremendous strain on the Euro zone and has serious repercussions on the stronger economies like the Germans. Not to mention what it'll do to the weaker economies like Portugal, Italy and Spain the rest of the PIGS. If their economies collapse as well then thats it game over for the Euro, it'll collapse. If the Euro goes then the whole EU project loses credibility. The EU project is the first step on the road to a 1 world govt. If the EU collapses its a serious setback for this project.

Mort.

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Hi mate do you have to end ever statement with a question mark?

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Mort are you sure that is the case about the Euro?

I am not massively savvy about money, economics etc. at all so if I misunderstand something please do fill me in! But if as you say Greece defaults and that puts a big strain elsewhere e.g.Germany and puts weaker economies at serious risk of collapse, where does that put Europe? In need of serious financial help, that's where. And where does this help come from? NWO. We are talking about a one-currency world. And who could provide this? None other by those who control the worlds finances and resources- the banks. I agree when you say the EU is the first step, but perhaps not in the sense you might think - the whole being that it is a project destined for failure, that someone else can come and take over, do a clean up job, but with a hefty list of conditions. That wouldn't surprise me anyway.

Raz

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Because Germany will step in as the saviour, absorbing the countries on the way and bringing back the Deutschmark where it will link back up with the EU and away we go. Happyville, EU.

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24 Sep 2011 08:35:44
Im ny humble opinion, I do not believe that 9/11 was a government act or that they had anything to do with the falling of the twin towers. I just cannot imagine the U.S government etc..giving the go ahead to this kind of act. My belief is that it was an act of terrorism which could have been prevented with better security checks at U.S airports. The towers falling I believe happened because 2 giant airplanes flew into the buildings. The sheer weight of the floors above the impact zones and loss of support beams/structure crashing down along with weakened structural damage due to fire,fuel, weight etc must of been huge. That is why they did not topple and just dropped straight. A controlled explosion of that magnitude to bring the towers down would have seen the building materials travel miles not just around a short vacinity. Also the cost of the clean up operation, Re building/structuring of buildings around the site to,the war in the middle East would have been huge and not worth it. Also the chances of being found out would never have been worth it. But.. the peril of United 93, I do not understand how anyone can know what really went on onboard that flight and also why there was nothing in the air to stop the plane heading to the capital of the US which they knew was hijacked and they had already seen the devestation caused to New York. Security was unbeliveably lax.
Mike

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Well mike...i appreciate and understand your point on this subject!!in my opinion i just cant see how the building collapsed the way it did without any controlled demolition!! just to let you know my background, i have a degree in both structural engineering and construction management and in all my experience and education i have never come across structural steel columns which would or could act in the way the ones in the twin towers did without some sort of controlled explosion!!also,anyone in my field too would and have been critical of the report given on the collapse of the towers,something which was overlooked by the 911 commission,which was publicly slated by some of the members as being a sham!!

to add to that about what went on in the planes, namely united 93, nobody can be sure what went on. there was a lot of reports about people on these planes ringing their families and that, but i saw a documentry and did a little research myself and the technology required for a person to ring a mobile from a mobile phone in an airplane wasnt available until 2004. these people who claimed people had rang them from their mobiles on the different flights specified that it was indeed their mobils phones and not the phone on the plane, which would have been technologically impossible at the time!!something to think about!!

PmacC

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Dream on.......


nz

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I'm with PmacC on this. Even the rubbish youtube videos clearly show explosives going off down one side of the collapsing buildings. I am not going to slate you at all for your thoughts Mike, but I do disagree with you 100%. This is a case of curing the symptoms rather than the cause so to speak - you talk of lax security etc, or the government not giving the go ahead - but consider this - governments are controlled by higher powers still. Everyone knows that. People didn't say Bush was a puppet for nothing - he was just so stupid he made it look unbelievably obvious. I strongly recommend you watch a series called The Arrivals by The Wake Up Project, either on youtbe or on their home page, it is fantastic. Even if you are not religious and don't believe some things such as the return of the anti-christ, it doesn't mean that the people who could have been responsible don't, and it really is an eye-opening series. I'd also recommend having a look at press conferences regarding the fighter jets who were ordered to stand down from shooting down the incoming jets, even though they had been scrambled some time before impact.
Lastly, I have to say I do question your idea about the demolitions (IMO they were demolitions). There is no way a sky scraper built the way those were built would simply collapse because a jet flies into them. They are built with those considerations in mind because they are so tall. Rather like when you take an axe to a tree, the area above the damage will topple, so should the towers. In theory those towers should have collapsed from the crash sites upwards, falling sideways like a tree and demolishing other buildings. As far as I know this never happened. The entire building were brought down in a controlled manner in arguably the world's biggest farce ever known. The only way those buildings would have toppled straight as you suggest due to weakened structure etc is if something came along and hit the very bottom of the tower, all the way round. Isn't it odd how very little if any neighbouring buildings got taken out when the towers fell? I would also argue that a controlled detonation would not send building materials miles, rather an genuine toppling could have done.
Did you know ALL surrounding CCTV evidence on all the buildings whose camera could have accidentally caught this farce have been confiscated? Isn't that weird?
Finally, the overall cost if the clean up, in terms of the overall wealth of those arguably responsible, is so minuscule it would never have been a consideration.

You have asked yourself why there was nothing in the air to stop United 93 heading to the capital....yet you do not believe the whole thing was pre-arranged and by those at the top of the US govt.

I hope you do watch the The Arrivals, that to me is the only thing I have seen anywhere that attempts to make sense of that awful day.

Peace.

Raz

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Cheers mate. {Ed001's Note - no worries, sorry it should be done soon.}

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Um... Ed001 is that not you? Just re-read the beef between He Who Knows and yourself.... sorry if I have got it wrong there haha. {Ed001's Note - no, I don't do the techy stuff, it is not my area of expertise at all! 033 is the man that can.}

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Mike, what about WTC 7, how did this collapse as this was not hit by a plane? It fell into its own footprint as did the twin towers.

Paragon

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Look, all im saying is that is my opinion, but there is obvious doubt there because of how I question the Pentagon flight and also Utd93. I just can not get my head round a President of the US doing such a thing against their own people, thousands of them too. If anything were to ever come out proving this indeed was the case, there would be hell to pay and the US would be no more. But thank you for not shooting me down with insults and I will look into the videos/programmes you have recommended. Also 1 question for the first guy who replied-thank you for your response- How much explosive would have to have been put into the trade centre to make it collapse? If a huge plane, full of fuel did not cause the buildings to collapse, how much explosive would it take,how would you plant it and how would you not be seen planting such huge,huge ammounts? Thanks all.
Mike

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Mike, thats the thing that doesn't sit easy with me. How could someone sign off such a thing?...But someone did, not the president, it goes way beyond that. I really urge you to take a look at stuff people have recommended, theres a hell of a lot out there.

Paragon

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Ok try again.

Firstly i think the idea of a conspiracy involving the US govt is montrous which is why i don't believe it. Also surely it would have leaked.

Secondly i do think some very strange stuff happened that day that are starting to add up into a possible conspiracy. At best they are strange and a little unsettling and at worst they do suggest a conspiracy happened.

In order to reconcile the 2 conflicting viewpoints i suggets the following theory.


As suggested our friend the Illuminati WERE behind it.

They did not involve the US govt.

1. They did not trust the govt apparatus to keep the secret after all they are one of the most leaky govts around.

2. They did not need govt help to accomplish this, they have lots of money and other resources, and plenty of people in key positions.

3. By keeping the govt out of the loop they could have complete plausible denialbility. Bush and co could be convincing when they said it wasn't us.

4. They have enough people in positions of influence that they only needed to say to them just do such and such on such and such a day. All these actions built up into the chaos of the day. These people only have pieces of the jigsaw and can't or won't mention anything.

5. Look at Bush's reaction at the school. Disbelief. But at what? that America was under attack or just at how they were attacked. Maybe he knew or suspected something was going to happen but wasn't expecting that. Also he has no actual knowledge so can't prove it, but is credible at denying it. Perfect puppet.

So maybe it did happen. They got their oil war and increased profits. Govt doesn't collapse as they don't know its a conspiracy.

For me though where do the islamics fit into it? they thought they were striking a blow against the great satan, not acting for the NWO. Duped by the Illuminati?

Mort.

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Mort you make some interesting points, however I feel you have perhaps taken a general statement that governments were involved and kind of taken it to different proportions than intended? Well speaking for myself anyway, when I say 'the government was behind it' I don't mean that it was something everybody knew about in all the offices after open discussion or after private emails or documents and plans were distributed... I mean the same thing as you: that one Illuminati member, who is a US military official, operates as his colleagues and employers would have him work, but also covertly in an extra capacity. That would tie in with your 4th point too. The Illiminati members, if it is all true, occupy positions of status in government and media - they are not elected by illuminati until they reach those positions (or maybe they are but they just don't know it yet...you get my drift)...Madonna was not associated with Illuminati until well into her career, until she was established as one of the biggest selling artists of all time. Same with Christina and Britney, and if you watch the Arrivals or have already you will understand the relevance of my point. So Mr. Innocent dedicates his life to serving his country, or becoming a billionaire, or head of media (side note - the banks are all owned by families who have been associated with Illuminati since it all began centuries ago), gets to the top, and finds that his family or his life is in danger if he doesn't do this or that... or maybe he is simply Illiminati and a Luciferian.
True Islam has been played as badly as the next person in all of this... again, go to the roots of Islam and you will see it is as innocent a religion as the next... but through all of this a hate figure had to be created, be that an individual or an entire religious sect, and Islam is the one. Did you know that in the relevant native countries apparently Al Quaeda for example doesn't really exist? It is apparently just a western name to give something that doesn't exist to create the illusion of a threat to western society. That ties in with the theories of there never being nuclear weapons ready to start WW3.

Raz

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Raz, no offence, but are you saying Britney and Christina are part of something bigger, this Illuminati? I think that kind of statement is a bit too much!

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Raz thats sort of the point i was trying to make. That was the second time i typed that as my computer strangeky went wobbly when trying to post it the first time and in trying to get it all down again i might have over simplified what i was trying to say.

I didn't mean that the whole govt was involved, it would have to be a small cabal that probably wouldn't have had the full jigsaw anyway leaving them unable to admit conspiracy. But the more people that tend to know about something the more likely it is to leak Watergate is a good example.

Definetly key indiviuals in the system that were able to instigate certain parts of the plan, change things or just generally enable certain repsonses.

Off on a tangent are madonna, Britney Spear etc Illuminati or is that just an example of people trying to tie everything into the Illuminati?

I feel no organised religion is truly innocent and they all tend attract fanatics. Would be intertesting to know how much they were manipulated into this by the Illuminati. I certainly suspect that they did do what they did on the day itself, given support by the Illuminati, help with planning and the such like. And they were just puppets, thinking their plan was for their cause when all along it was for someone elses. And they made the perfect hate figure which they were prepared to do anyway, just that it backfired on them.

Mort.

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Not offended mate - I appreciate that sounded slightly mental - but like I say that comment will mean nothing to you if you haven't watched the Arrivals. The only thing I will ask is that you either watch the series where you will discover the relevance of my comment (sum: worldwide pop artists e.g. Madonna, Britney, Celine Dione, Christina used to drip feed society with Illuminati ritual, imagery etc, subliminally desensitizing us) or just accept that it will appear as though I am crazy .
Raz

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Mort - you're right, it is probably most likely that any roles played by various members of sects or security teams or whatever, will have known so little about the insight to their actions that they could never allude to conspiracy, that would be the safest way of keeping it schtum. If people don't know, what can they spill?
Organised religion is one of the worst things the human race could ever have experiences/created IMO and in that sense Islam as we know it is no different... definitely full of fanatics. But what I will say is that this applies to modern Islamists. Back when these religions started they all tallied with each other - there was a creator, God. That should have been it. But over a few thousand years, little bits have been added to create rifts, new religions, and I don't know to explain the impact that has had on mankind. There is a theory that behind every religious group there is the Illuminati, because one of their aims is to create a society in which there is no faith or no belief in a single God. By creating warring religious groups they have actually done a lot to achieve this. If you go right back to the roots of Islam (Muslim), Judaism, and Christianity, they are al basically exactly the same religion! They are all the exact same concept but over time look at the bloodshed over who's was 'more true'. There are theories that has been a Luciferian intention since day 1.
Raz

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Make some great points Raj. I will defo catch the programmes you mention. Love this kind of thing! Great to hear from people as informed/knowledgable. Good banter too, from most! Cheers, Mike.

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Bush wasn't really involved on 9/11, to some extent maybe, but if you actually check out his whole day that day, he was kept out the way.
Cheney (vice president at the time) was in control that day. Bush couldn't even get on to the whitehouse that day, and when he briefly did get through, the lines would black out. He was then taken to an underground bunker, and spent most a lot of the day there. THE PROJECT FOR THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY played all the cards, check it out guys, really quite disturbing stuff. RUMSFELD, CHENEY, WOLFOWITZ and PERLE!
Even their own documentation puts them in the suspect line, but nothing gets done about it.

Peace

Jay

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)...Madonna was not associated with Illuminati until well into her career, until she was established as one of the biggest selling artists of all time. Same with Christina and Britney,

So it wasn't bin laden it was 3 pop starts that blew up the WTC not a brain between the 3 of them to come close to this. {Ed001's Note - I am sorry but I don't understand your post at all. What has your post got to do with the original one? Perhaps you have failed to understand what the guy has said? I tell you what, I will explain it again for you. What he is saying, is that pop stars, such as Madonna, are being used to leak Illuminati symbolism into the world. To make it seem ok to use and normal, maybe even cool, so that it will stop being associated with all that is wrong with the world. Nothing to do with them being involved in plots and plans, or even as actual members of the Illuminati. Whether it is true or not is a completely different matter, one I personally am unsure of either way.}

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Come on now the WTC was an act of terrorism not some faked idea that the govornment or pop worlds wannabees have come up with an elaborarte plan to cause all this death and distruction for the sake of oil prices. It was a terrorist attack end off. {Ed001's Note - if you say so, it must be true, because I am sure you have access to all possible sources of information regarding the subject and clearly have an open mind to decide fairly.}

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Why so argumentitave ed thats my opinion there is no way that this could be done without this being leaked by someone no matter how many tattoos that they put out to the public. {Ed001's Note - tattoos? I am not being argumentative, but the fact you are claiming there are no leaks is completely and utterly wrong. Why do you think people are asking questions?}

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