Conspiracy Talk Archive February 28 2012

 

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28 Feb 2012 19:49:46
Hey I need to read a book for my school, I'm really interested in conspiracies and love reading what everyone one here has to say, often blows my mind....can anyone suggest a good conspiracy book on 911, Lockerbie or any others.
Much Appreciated
Stanz

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Read this...... '911, Does it change shape every year or is it the same old car conspiricy ?' By Mike Hunt. Sorry wrong 911, you might want to try ''Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center Disaster: Why the Official Story of 9/11 is a Monumental Lie'' by David Icke. Dont get me wrong David Icke is one of those who look at everything and think its a conspiricy, he thinks the world is run by lizard overlords !! But he has done a lot of research and he is mainly on the money with this book that it was an inside job.

Matt_RFC

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{Ed033's Note - There is only 1 book to read about Lockerbie and that is:
Trail of the Octopus by Lester K Coleman.

Trail of the Octopus by Lester K Coleman



There is only 1 book to read on 9/11 and that is:
Where Did the Towers Go by Judy Wood PHd

Judy Wood Where Did The Towers Go

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Stanz, look into Pearl Harbour as well

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Don't think Pearl Harbor was a conspiracy. Yes thye knew they were coming, yes they sacrificed a few pawns but that doesn't mean it was a conspiracy. Its the same as what we did with Coventry, knew they were coming so let it happen to protect the knowledge that we had broken the codes. If iwas to suggest looking at a more likely conspiracy similar to Pearl habor i'd say Gulf of Tonkin. {Ed001's Note - which would still make it a conspiracy, I don't think you are quite getting it. They conspired to keep quiet that an attack was coming, then conspired to keep it a secret that they knew the attack was coming. That would be a conspiracy, as was Coventry.}

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I get it it Ed but in my viewpoint its not a conspiracy as people are using the word though Ed. People are meaning a conspiracy as like JFK or 911 rather than something in a war which can be seen as a necessary evil. I can get letting a town get bombed to protect the fact we had broken the code, to save more lives in the long run. Its a tactical loss to advance the strategic objective. Doesn't mean people have to like it, but thats how it was perceived at the top, and i dare say its the same as how FDR perceived the attack on Hawaii, a necessary evil. Difference is the truth on Coventry came out, it hasn't on Pearl Harbor.

But compared to killing a popular president because of what he was planning to do pissed of the financial big shots, in order to get a yes man to take over, now thats a conspiracy! {Ed001's Note - I understand what you are saying, but the whole point is that it is still a conspiracy.}

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Its only a conspiracy till the truth emerges. I think its bad but i think worse things have happened that are more worth going on about like for example JFK, 911, etc etc, rather than something that happened in a war where many dodgy decisions were made and many nasty things happened. {Ed001's Note - nobody was saying there isn't, but the point is that governments won't hesitate to hide the facts when it suits them.}

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Of course not ed. You could even argue that the Japanese walked into a giant trap, they were provoked into attacking, attacked what looked like a nice juicy target, a target put there only months earlier, missed their main target "conveniently" out at sea, and ended up eventually losing. It "conveniently" ended US isolationism which is what both FDR and Winston wanted. Conspiracy yes but i'd just say some guy who thought it up had been reading their Sun Tsu rather well. Anyway gone off the OP's topic a bit so apologies. {Ed001's Note - Sun Tzu would never have approved of that, there was nothing in the Art of War about provoking an attack so you can go to war. Quite the opposite, his mantra was that the only true success was to avoid a war, that you never win a war, only survive it. So anyone reading it rather well would have found a way to bring peace, not encourage war to break out. Maybe someone who has read it, but not understood it would see it your way.}

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A conspiracy theory explains an event as being the result of an alleged plot by a covert group or organization or, more broadly, the idea that important political, social or economic events are the products of secret plots that are largely unknown to the general public. No difference to JFK or Pearl Harbour! No matter which way you look at it's a Conspiracy! Agree with you Ed!

Runcorn Red! {Ed001's Note - cheers mate.}

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No need to thank Ed001 I should thank you! Learnt quite a bit from that post! Keep up the sterling job Ed001

Runcorn Red! {Ed001's Note - did you? Which one?}

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I took the sun tzu the same way the poster took it! I took it as a way to provoke war rather than prevent it! But I can see exactly where your coming from! Kind of like a double edged sword you could take it both ways!

Runcorn Red! {Ed001's Note - Sun Tzu was always about how to avoid a battle, he did make it clear that getting drawn into a war meant you had failed. That is my favourite book of all time, it is amazing how much you can learn each and every time you read it.}

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I know its old but Chariots of the Gods by Erik VonDaniken started my interest in ETs. Im sure theres better now though. CheltBlue

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28 Feb 2012 10:31:14
right i might of mentioned this topic in the past,cant remember after celebrating liverpools win,its about religeon and i come from a famaily of roman catholics a big famaily of catholics, we are not big church go"ers but we all have been to catholic school made comuinon etc etc,infact royalty has always came 2nd to the pope,now the things i have watched about the vatican and being part of the ocult and satan has shook me ,sacrifices of young kids still supposedly going on for the illimuniti , put it this way if this shocks me and questions my religeon and i am not a practising catholic, what would it do to people around the world who belive in god?
frankyscouse

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Some people have blind faith and believe in god no matter what even if aliens did come down and tell the world they genetically engineered us and placed us on this planet which they also created religious people would either commit Hari Kari or say they where full of it... I dont really have a faith or believe in any kind of god but i do believe that the things i have seen (Ufo's & Ghosts) there must be something else

MJ

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Mj u have seen ufo ghost?
frankyscouse

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Frankyscouse was thinking the same thing. I myself am from a family of Roman Catholics and brought up to believe in god. My mother goes church every Sunday and ive tried to explain the theorys behind why i believe we are here and that other life forms outside our planet exsist and she refuses to listen and says if i doubt god then ill end up in hell. But what if the world we live in now is Hell and heaven is a better place all i know is if it does happen there might not be a need for genacide as i believe half the world would kill them selves. Im just waiting for the day it all happens ill be there with my collinder on my head wrapped in tin foil! :) Like reading the stuff you put on here Frankyscouse keep up the good work!

Runcorn Red!

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Sorry sacrificing kids what the f***, where u getting that from. Heres a conspiracy Pope comes to Britain media whips up talk of paedo, nazi stuff but jacob zuma the man with 3 wivesand a 1 party system comes and not a word

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If you search in youtube there was a a ex illimuniti woman who was took tothe vatican when she was about 10,there were a few kids in one of the rooms and basicly they done a sacrifice of a young boy infront of these children, i am not saying it happend thats why i am putting it out there,but the more i thought about it like when my parents when to school and the priest and nouns discplined them , they all said that some were sadistic and enjoyed punishing kids, plus the sex trials that were trying to get hushed up in ireland,it really makes you think what type of a god we are praying for,even stuff we do now if we go to church, like making comunion( hundreads of years ago commuinon ment sacrifice ie blood,wine replaces blood now but still means the same thing)i think if you told the world there is no god it would lead to sucides all over the world,but i dont think they would as they need conflicts over religeon, just my opinon anyway, cheers runcorn red.
frankyscouse

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Come on people are you a bunch of 13 year olds who still believe in santa ? The main relegions come from a time long ago when man did not know what an atom was or that the world was round. The bible has talking snakes in it and a boat that was big enough for 2 of each of millions of species of animals (who didnt eat each other for weeks !?!?) Its ridiculous, if you think about it, Adam and eve would have had to have a boy and a girl who would have had to have incest kids of their own who would have had to then themselves pro create and so on ond so on. I cant get my mind around how grown adults who can walk and feed themselves still believe in this nonsence regardless of the fact that in the thousands of years since the silly stories there hasnt been one mynute piece of evidence to back these crazy stories up and day after day more and more science is dicovered. Relegion is the route of all evil past and present and is one of the main reasons there is such a divide in the human race.

Matt_RFC {Ed001's Note - you are forgetting the fact that when one of Adam and Eve's kids killed the other, they were able to run away to a city! Where the hell did the city come from if Adam and Eve were the first humans???}

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So the monk that created the Laws of Genetics was a person was he? Catholics do not beleive that world is 4 thousand years old. Which scientific article or report can prove God is not true: none. So by scientific rules he cannot be disproved.

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Sorry mate i have seen ufo's and ghosts

MJ

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Mj describe your ghost and ufo experince please.
frankyscouse

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Matt you are missing my point,the vatican the most holy of place for catholisim is in some peoples eyes as false and only for praying for evil and black arts/occult, as for the god question i defo do believe there is another relm were we go when we die, not saying its gods will but a higher aurthority.
frankyscouse

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I don't understand why people believe in god! But getting religion drummed into you at young age (no pun intended! :) doesn't help in getting people to open there eyes! The bible is full of mad stuff but in there are snippets to say something was here! Giants which is now proven to be true! Not sure who can't remember but one man travelled from city to city all around the world spreading the name of god! How?? Boat!! It would have took years! I myself believe we were put here for a purpose by a much higher life form than any god! And If I had to pick one I'd say the Anuki are probably the ones I'd say! But that's me! Now where's my straight jacket!

Runcorn Red!

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Will play devils advocate with u runcorn,who created the anuki? opens a can of worms eh? lol
frankyscouse

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To matt rfc, don't know what your on about-people in the past didn't know what an atom was!
Ancient man knew a lot more than we give them credit for, the ancient Incas where brilliant mathematicians and astronomers,
as were the Chinese.
Making out anyone who has a faith is somewhat juvenile is quite an aroggant supposition!,
just to let you know the vatican has an observatory that dates back to 1582.
p.s. noah and the ark is old testament-jewish parable not christianity!
p.p.s. What does the rfc in you name mean Matt?.
Bep Kororoti.

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Ok franky I've been thinking about this and I think octomus prime is the true god! it does make you wonder!! Earth is only a baby to the rest of the universe and to think were the only ones here would be down right stupid! And if we have progressed as far as we have in all forms of life such as medical, engineering and many many more things! s**t we can even clone sheep! And were just a baby imagine what other life forms could do if thru evolved at the same rate as us! It is scary that there must have been 'THE ONE' at some point but who or what he was I don't think we'll ever know! But there is more evidence to say aliens exsist than there is a god! Good or bad there here already it's just when there going to let everyone know there here!

Runcorn Red!

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I sort of agree runcorn.i think we were all created aliens included by not so much a life form but something our brains can comprehend.
frankyscouse

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Ok frankie me and my ex had a hair salon in hanforth in cheshire and we used to sleep over in the appartment upstairs so it was about 11 at night and I went to the toilet I had the door open while I was sitting on the toilet and I saw an orb fly right inbetween my legs an I was slightly shocked but put it down to me being tired and it was probably an insect until I looked for the fly and when I looked towards the door there was a old woman in a white dress with pink and green flowers just standing there and then after about 10th seconds she slowly vanished

MJ

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Are you sure it was an orb, or did you get the spelling wrong lol...

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Runcorn

By anuki do you mean anunnaki? If so im kinda with you on that.

Franky

I see with what you are saying about who created them, but heres the way i see it, nust my personal view.
If ( big if ) the anunnaki did/do exist, it doesnt mean that something had to create them, just as nothing created us. They could just be another species thats evolved like us and simply been here longer than us, hence the sumerians seeming to have such a great understanding of things. Basically, in the next few thousand years, we could be visiting other planets for resources, so whos to say it may not have already happened?

Peace

Jay

Ps. I understand the anunnaki theory is quite out there, but it makes more sense to me than any religion out there. I know its most likely just a great story, but hey, great storys stand the test of time.

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Im with frankie on this one top convo people! I think evolution is the answer but some forms are more progressive than others

Andyjmt

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Yeah Jay meant anunnaki sorry! typing from an iphone isnt always the easiest of things! And i do honestly believe there will be something on the 21st December 2012 because the calenders (egyptian and Mayan) have been so accurate to date! And why just end on a random date as 21st. And if im honest im quite excited by it all and hope something does happen so i can say i told you so! :) Just like to say what a great post Franky and i love reading everyones responses to this touchy subject. And respect to the Eds to you all do an amazing job and if im one of the lucky chosen ill get them to pick up an Ed001 and Frankyscouse and maybe Jay if your lucky!

Runcorn Red!

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People seem to forget that at its heart Christianity is a poor mans religion, hear me out!
The Reason it spread widely after Jesus death was a simple message that every person is equal before God whether poor or rich, king or pauper. To say that the poor and weak are the favoured by God connects to poor people.
PS we all know rfc stands for rangers football club.

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Adam and eve had bellybuttons!? Why?

Voices

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I think that religious people have to stop being patronising though. They have no problems admitting that god created everything, then when you say what about when a 2 year old dies of brain cancer they simply say ah but that will be the devil. A little random and vague. You cannot simply describe everything that is the wonder of nature as god without conceeding that he or it also created disgusting things and diseases like cancer. Oh and as Doug Stanhope once said "If you honestly beleive that when you die you will spend the rest of time dancing around on a fluffy cloud happier than a worm an animals stool, then why the **** do you wear a seatbelt ?"

Matt_RFC (Rangers F C (For sale 1))

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Hi matt, i also hate that as well, when you ask a religious person why god lets bad things happen, they say, god works in mysterious ways. What a load of bull****!

Peace

Jay
Glasgow

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Ed - Yes I forgot that about the city, and I went to Holy Trinity school between the ages of 5 - 10 and had this drivel spoon fed to me ! Maybe these guys writing about the city and the ark and the talking snake and the fact that women have a period every month or childbirth pain as some bibles say is Gods punishment because Eve ate the forbidden fruit etc hundreds of years after the supposed Jesus was dead, were possibly sat to near a local poppy field as it was burning when they wrote it. Now, I am an open minded person, I believe the Rothschilds and close associates have ruled the world for a lot of years, I believe 911 was an inside job, I believe JFK was an inside job, Im open minded on the 0 point comspiricy, whatever created the universe or however it was created aside, these relegions have no place in the modern world and I know it wont be in my lifetime but I hope they slowly decline over the decades.

Matt_RFC

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Look into joseph p. farrell , on yaweh the two faced god on the radio shows such as The Byte Show on youtube, you will learn a lot about religion, etc, the control system ...................lfc

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I have a few theorys on christianity. 1) It was a big lie about a woman (Mary) having an affair that got just a tad out of hand. 2) Jesus existed but was a bit of a conman who knew slight of hand. 3) Chinese whispers that got seriousley out of hand. Honestly though just look up why the romans moved the supposed bith of JC to the 25th december something to do with the winter sotstice.

Matt_RFC

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Either way guys it still causes debate with the amount of post on the subject,put it this way if we are all giving our veiws about it(and i am asuming we hardly ever go to church)just imagine about all the religeons around the world that do go to church,it would life changing for the human race.
frankyscouse

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Matt I really don`t understand why you have to have a go at people who have a faith! I have one and it is personal to me, I don`t go rubbing peoples noses in it or castigate folk who are atheists.
Think people should live and let live regardless of having any kind of belief or not!
You are being negative and patronising regarding peoples belief systems, leave them alone!
Quite strange to see a rangers fan on here when their traditions are steeped in British Israelism.
On here to annoy folk as your team are going down the pan!!
Hail Hail.... {Ed001's Note - what has his team's traditions to do with his personal beliefs? Or are you one of those sad ones that choose their team based on religion and can't distinguish between religion and football?}

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Sad way to end the best post on here so far! Just like to thank Frankyscouse, Matt_RFC Jay and anyone else that posted reading all your posts shows that not everyones eyes are closed! Hope people reading this post research what some of you have said and finally wake up!
now that's a better way to end a brilliant post! :)

Runcorn Red!

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Note to the edd!
You asked what does Matt`s teams traditions have to do with his personal beliefs.
The traditions of his team have been deeply sectarian, they would not employ catholics for over 100 years.
They sing rule Britania (not for any nationalistic reasons), just because the queen is protestant.
If the queen was catholic they would not have anything to do with her!
You asked was I "one of those sad ones that choose their team on religion, and can`t distinguish between religion and football.
Edd I was born and bred a stones throw from Ibrox, as kids we where subjected to vile sectarian abuse, spat on, attacked, and poisonous insults thrown our way regularly when a game was on, by home fans.
We as children would not dare wear anything with a hint of green on it for fear of torment.
For that very reason we would never support such a club.
Had the club been inclusive and the fans friendly to anyone regardless of their faith, we likely would have supported them.
After all why would you go watch a team that resented your presence.
Don`t think to many black people would follow a club that was racist edd.
Regards bep k {Ed001's Note - you still haven't explained what that has to do with him? Or are you too bigoted to understand that he doesn't have to have the same beliefs?}

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Edd why would an unbiast man or woman support a club with inbred sectarian tendencies?.
Maybe you should take a trip to Glasgow and experience an old firm game at first hand before they are no more!,
then you may understand better.
Don`t think too many English folk really understand it all.
Regards bep {Ed001's Note - you really are bigoted if you think people can't support a team simply because they want to, rather than because they have sectarian beliefs. Sad and no wonder it is so bad with people as bigoted as you there.}

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Note to the edd, Am I too bigoted!.
I have served in the army as have my two brothers, as well as my daughter who has done two tours of Afghanistan.
So if that`s what you think good luck to you!
Bep k. {Ed001's Note - what has that to do with anything? You make no sense.}

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Do I have to spell it out for you!
If I was a bigoted catholic I or any of my family would not have joined the British army!
Really don`t think you have a clue about the traditions of Scotland, Religious and national identity!
I take it your not Scottish!
p.s. it`s not nice to insult people.
Bep k {Ed001's Note - that doesn't stop you being bigoted, you are clearly bigoted as you have proved with your bigoted viewpoint of Rangers fans. Joining the army doesn't change that, how would it? What has my nationality to do with being able to understand that you are bigoted?? Grow up and stop spewing anti-Rangers bile on here. Not everyone is living in the past and can't separate support for a football team from religion.}

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You have just proved to me you are a bigoted rangers fan, just like the rest.
Enjoy what time you have left with your precious club, good riddance to bad rubbish.
No doubt you will find another outlet to spew your poison.
hail hail..
Regards Bep K {Ed001's Note - the only bigot here is you. I don't support Rangers, but you are so bigoted you think anyone who doesn't hate them must support them. Sad, it really is.}

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If you knew me you would know I`m not bigoted, just know the nature of the beast.
So you have the last word as edd, gosh you must really feel powerfull being able to insult people, calling people you don`t know names....
p.s. what part of the UK do you hail from?
Regards bep K {Ed001's Note - you have consistently posted bigoted bile, too late to claim you are not bigoted now, you have proven the lie to your words.}

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Well if I`m a bigot because I like Celtic and dislike Rangers so be it.
Last question edd- if you go to a british national party rally are you racist?
Oh you still never said where you were from lol.
Regards Bep K. {Ed001's Note - no, you are a bigot because you were judging all Rangers fans based on your own blinkered view of them. They are not all the same, just like not all Celtic fans are.
I have no idea about the BNP, never been to a rally to know what they are, nor would I judge those who go because they might have a million different reasons for going.
I am from Liverpool, I fail to see the relevance though? I mean it is really none of your business.}

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Elusive coward!!!
Regards Bep k. {Ed001's Note - ok bye bye, if that is all you have you are blocked. You have offered nothing to the conversation but bigotry and stupidity.}

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Well done ed dont need idiots like this spoiling conversations they cannot understand. stuart {Ed001's Note - thank you mate.}

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Maybe thats why the world is messed up with stupid comments about religeon.
frankyscouse

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