Conspiracy Talk Archive September 30 2011

 

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30 Sep 2011 23:27:19
i think you'll find by cromwell's time the catholic church in england hardly existed. {Ed001's Note - I don't know where you got that from, but you are wrong, it was just not the done thing and frowned upon, even persecuted, but it certainly existed very strongly.}

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30 Sep 2011 22:37:32
What a load of protestant b s, the vatican a not in league with zionist Rothschilds. All bankers are interlinked. You want to dig deeper into who funded william prince of orange and his protestant campaign and successful invasion of Britain, yes Rochschilds. Think you should look at how the church of England is one of the largest land owners in Britain (lot of their property was stolen from the catholic church) during Oliver Cromwells murderous campaigns.

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Mr unnamed poster look a little bit into history , dont deny it , for instance did you know the pope backed the dutch william of orange , and as for cromwells campaigns you should know the killing of protestants by papal forces , also many campaigns against england by the french etc were using ireland as a base of attack , heres my breakdown of things at the moment-
right -wing american protestant peachers support isreal , when in fact most of the so called state of isreal are not bibical jews but are mostly from russia, have a look at -jews against zionisits also lots of the palestine people are not from there , but there countries of orgin dont and wont take them back , they like to keep them where they are.
saudi arabia is the most exteme islam country in the world . they are no-1 in speading extreme islam all over the world and supporting it, oh and they just happen to be americas best freind. the question about the jesuits and the vatican is they are the smartest of the lot, everyone says follow the money trail it tells all , well it tells a lot but remember this , a mans faith can lead him to go to war spy lie , think hes doing things for the better cause , just look into the history of this system they controled kings , queens , countrys , starting wars etc, and mr unnamed poster do you know who was the last church to vote against being taken over by rome in the 5th centry- yes the irish church , who wanted nothing to do with them , while there is many things that were done wrong in the name of protestant nations , understand the reformation came about because the priests of rome banned the bible, yes the bible for over 300 years to be read by preists only , the conning of money from poor working class people all over europe , and the killing of any faith different to their own , you want to get in the picture mr unnamed poster of not sticking up for one side, i call it like it is and has been in history...........lfc

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Take it being called unnamed poster is either an insult lol or a form of insult.
I do take freedom very seriously, I countered the anti-catholic bias in the post I was replying to.
I understand that zionist powerbrokers have used banking to divide and conquer.
I will not have secterian comments to go unquestioned.
Yes the vatican have been used as have the church of England by zionists, but don`t turn it in to an anti catholic attack.
My name is Steven, in case you get paranoid over who is posting

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Thanks for that steve, thats the big issue , how do you explain history and tell the truth without upseting people , its not anti- catholic , anti jewish , anti protestant , i am for everything but one- anti- truth.........lfc

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No probs Lfc, have you heard of British Israelism?

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Looked at it, and the set up is this- america and britain are part of the lost ten tribes of isreal , ephraim and manasseh , as this line had the birthright promises of national greatness, where as the jews were given the scepter promise of a line of kings culminating in the messiah ,my own belief is most of these lost tribes did end up in europe but also other parts of the world , indeed that is what most of the scafaic jews belive . also interesting that some afircan americans belive they are the lost tribes , or of the lost tribes of isreal . one thing i do understand is about 5/8 s of the bible is about the lost tribes compaired to what most people think is the jewish state of isreal , while i find it all interesting i keep a open mind as it takes lots of study and as with other subjects you find yourself going back into it and maybe finding new imformation on it steven........lfc

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Oh getting bitchy Lfc. I stay in Glasgow, when i walk past an orange order hall it is filled with British Israelism images, not many people no the connections with the lost tribes of israel, but western govenments since the enlightenment have used this conspiracy to do evil deeds.
Masons have tried to seek some form of relation to the twelth century nights templars. The nights templars where a catholic monastic order (independent of rome) who where celibate!!

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The knights templars formed by benard of clairuaux in 1099 , then we have other orders , trying to take jerusalem ,having looked at heraldry and emblems going back to india and china etc , you see certain things , like the 12 tribes have 12 zodiac signs etc , when looking into chronological proof for things its very interesting , heres a text from the jewish encyclopedia- if the ten tribes have disappeared , the literal fulfilent of the prophecies would be impossible. if they have not disappeared , obviously they must exist under a different name, if the bibles prophecies are to be liiterally fulfiled, the lost tribes must be know today by a name other than isreal , but what other name.my own view is people should not join any orders where silly otahs pulling up a trouser leg etc are done , but when you look at the most of the orders shinners , brotherhood , masons etc - indeed anything done in secrert is not good , the difference with me is i can see most of them work together , its just a question of who weilds the most power in the world , which can help make a countrys policy s a lot , myself - i lost any real faith in the bible when i looked at hell and came to know theres a lot of history in it and truth , but some of it is man made sillyness to control people............lfc

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No-one was being sectarianist! LFc was just sharing his theory that the Vatican is involved in some very shady stuff with some very dodgy people, which the further that you look into the more you realise that he is wrong.

I could quite easily spend a good chunk of time going through the stuff i've looked into, and LFC could probably blow us all away with what he has researched.

There are some deeply disturbing theories out there regards the Vatican and layer upon layer of stuff the further that you dig.

No one either was really going into zionism, we were talking about how JFK (a catholic) was murdered and certain international banking interests may have had some capability. Now i know LFC has a big thing on the Vatican and this has given some me interesting tangents to go off and research on, and i will probably add zionism as another thread as well now.

But don't get giving all that sectarianism rubbish and how the catholics are all hard done by just because we suggest a few things that may or may not be true about the Vatican and you feel uncomfortable with that. Look into these things with an open mind.
Mort

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LFC once again you have given a few interesting things out. Really not sure where to begin.

Its really quite a long strand of history, going from the organisation of the church right up to today. For em things started to go wrong with the Council of Nicea, after that it seems to go off in a different direction. Then you get the Templars and they were certainly a strange bunch, sprang up overnight, grew very powerful very quick then suddenly stamped out. Just so many odd things going on all the time.

Mort

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Sorry just read that abck and meant to say that the more you look the more you realise lfc is right. Mort

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The catholic church very much against contraception has in the past had shares in a company that makes condoms

The catholic church is a cult that is big business

It allows nasty men to do evil deeds unpunished much like cromwell

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What the chuff has Cromwell got to do with the Catholic church? The man was a puritan? It was 400 years ago get over it.

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Cromwell was a mass murderer

Funny how the people who moderate this site don't understand that

He was a terrorist of biblical proportions

how biased can you get? {Ed001's Note - did anyone say he wasn't? Cromwell was very much a terrorist and mass murderer, but no one said he wasn't. Seems you are projecting your own bias on others and using that to make false accusations.}

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Cromwell was an angel

Yeah like the angel from buffy the vampire

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30 Sep 2011 19:34:09
For an interesting take on the JFK conspiracy, search for Orlando Bosch, often talked about by Noam Chomsky. Chomsky is pretty sure the `umbrella man` in the zapruder film is Bosch. In the video he seems to point his umbrella at JFK moments before he is shot.

Paterson

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I didn't know this, i watch a lot of chomsky
stuff (not a man i'd like to argue with ) any
specific sites/youtube documentaries you
could recommend would be apreciated.
cheers
JR

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I think `manufacturing consent` is the documentary he talked about Bosch.

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30 Sep 2011 15:49:18
lincoln certainly bears further investigation as well. I'd heard all the strange coincidences. But not the idea why lincoln was killed. Seriously does make me wonder. Mort

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Have va look into the jesuit-vatican-rothschild connection to all of it , one of the helpers of booth got away , and the vatican helped him set up home in a european country, interesting it took until the regean years before any offical ties were opned between the two , heres a quote of the internet, lincoln- yes but the real key is......who underwrote the greenbacks and the northern war effort, the clue lies in whose fortune rested in rothschilds banks in england and france and which of the banks kept the largest porition of the tsars gold , so a bit like jfks death , it leads to power, banks , interests of vatican etc , you really have to look into lots of stuff about the vatican , its a small country on its own the size of a small town but the power and wealth and infulunce is the most far reaching in the world belive it or not.........lfc

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An interesting read for you all pertaining to the search for jesus,s bloodline amongst other things he tries to explain the vaticans efforts to keep europe ignorant by way of the fact the chinese had printed literature for 700 years b4 the first books arrived in europe! keeping the people in the dark and having specialist figures whose job it was to alter the holy scriptures and records of a religeous nature to keep their faith intact and the peasants ignorant of the world wide progress of christianity as they saw it as a threat to catholicism etc..read it Laurence gardner...The Grail Enigma..factual account a good read.
grizzli bear.

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I like that lol, very cool. Any more?

LFC you certainly have a thing for the vatican lol, yet the more i look the more shady they appear. did you check out any of the videos i posted earlier in the week?

But yes jesuits are very dodgy. Don't have much time tonight but will have a look for stuff tomorrow.

Mort.

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30 Sep 2011 13:18:57
for anyone who does not know ,jesse ventura does some very intertaining conspiracy theory episodes , you get most of them on utube , hes ex wrestler , ex marnie , ex governer , watch him trying to get off 3 shots in 6 odd secounds in his jfk show, other good shows are - underground bases , etc , very well made shows to watch...........lfc

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Yeah i've seen the rifle thing, its damn near impossible to get 3 very good shots off in 6 seconds with a bolt action. I know people say its possible and yeah you can fire 3 off just about, but not well aimed almost perfect shots like LHO is supposed to have done. Mort

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30 Sep 2011 12:54:32
thanks. I used the donald sutherland quotes as they summed up what i wanted to say. Lfc i'm checking all that stuff out. Thats what led me to that article. Mort

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30 Sep 2011 01:09:01
heres a good name everyone should check out on youtube- douglas dietrich , ex usa military ,among other things his topics include
usa and russia fighting in space
9.11 and the house of saud
what really happened at roswell
interesting stuff some of the more beliveable i have heard lately , oh and my own thoughts on the jfk killing, oswald never fired a shot .........lfc

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I know its not related to the JFK shooting but when you look at the film 'shooter' with Mark Wahlberg,it would kind of make you think of the JFK shooting and how easy it would be to frame someone for it and who could be involved...senators,cia,secret government agencies!!
PmacC

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The list grows of who killed jfk , but as mort has said below look who had most to gain with his death , very interesting , but people should also check out the killing of abraham lincoin , theres more to that as well.........lfc

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