Conspiracy Talk Archive October 31 2011

 

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31 Oct 2011 19:39:22
not much of a conspiracy but do you think it's true about the barriers between our world and that of the beyond weaken on all hallow's eve?
huddz red

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Yes if you are at certain sacred points.

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Surely this cant be real.... {Ed033's Note - On one day of the year, barriers between our world and that of the beyond weakening sounds ridiculous.
However possibly at certain points on the planet and at certain times, there could be strange happenings that take place such as strange time anomalies / actually finding yourself in another time or realm possibly.}

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Could you please expand. Like where?
huddz red {Ed033's Note - 1 example is - Patrice Chaplin (granddaughter of Charlie Chaplin) talking about her book, The Portal - www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2tmXAeKroQ

This book is a follow up to her book, City Of Secrets.}

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Thanks, i will take a look now.
huddz red

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31 Oct 2011 18:53:26
Referring to the ed's comments on the death penalty earlier. You argued what if someone where innocent and then stated you believed make the inmate suffer for live would be the worse punishment so then cant we surmise that the humane thing to do is implement the death penalty so that the chances of an innocent offender suffering in prison for life will be eliminated. Its not really my view but i felt playing devils advocate was needed on an issue of this magnitude {Ed001's Note - good point, but at least they have a chance to be released and live a normal life afterwards if locked up. If you put them to death, then they are dead and have no chance. Most importantly of all, once they are gone, who fights to prove their innocence? Without their fight to clear their name, the guilty party may stand even more chance of escaping justice!}

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I will state my position straight away - I think we should have the death penalty ! If we did, juries would be more circumspect in giving the guilty verdict anyway and that should weed out wrongful convictions.

But all this could be put to death by a life sentence meaning just that...stay in jail
until you die...simples !


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Well it's the same with ALL sentences. Prisoners virtually never do the full term
or anything close to it!
They should always do the full term and if they misbehave during the sentence ADD to it. Problem is Judges would just start to give shorter sentences to reflect the fact that guilty parties 'have to do the full whack'
The whole justice system seems crazy

Puzzled

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{Ed033's Note - The apparent reason for dropping the death penalty in our system was because the Jury let people off who were probably guilty because they either didn't want to have another human's death on their conscience or they were never 100% sure the alleged offender was guilty. Remember at the time of the death penalty there was none of this deliberate brainwashing of people through video games where the video game player is de-sensitised to killing people.}

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To be honest I think the reason the death penalty was abolished wasn't because of jury's squeamishness but because of the hand-wringing,guardian reading,fruit & nut chewing do-gooders who have far far more say than their numbers should warrant

Puzzled

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I live in a commenwealth in America that issues the death penalty and true sentencing. Neither have proved to lessen crime or wrongfull conviction. The truth in sentencing act didn't include a reduction in guidelines that had been built in with parole in mind. The result has been non-violent first time offenders serving upwards of 3 years on forged checks usually done under the influence of addiction. The primary concern needs to shift towards community based programs to treat societal issues such as addiction and depression as these have led to 78 percent of convictions.(In America at least I dont know how big an issue they are for you folks in Europe)

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I obviously cannot comment on the situation in the US I am speaking only about here in the UK
If we had the death penalty then offenders 'would pay a proper price'
and if it deterred just one person (apart from the obvious one who would no longer be with us) from committing a murder then that would be a good thing.

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Ed, how can you say that someone can have a "normal life" after being locked up for a long period of time when they were actually innocent?

Neil J {Ed001's Note - I meant to put normal in quotes, like you did. I understand it would be difficult, but at least they have a chance to move on and rebuild their life and their family would have peace of mind too.}

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Thanks Ed, I get what you're saying , although I do think that life would never be the same.

Neil J {Ed001's Note - no, I doubt it would. Maybe they might actually appreciate their freedom a bit more than the rest of us do.}

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Yeah Ed, I can relate to that. I read a lot of stuff on here about how we are being controlled,manipulated etc but compared to other countries/nations/cultures, we enjoy a lot of "freedoms" which we take for granted

Neil J {Ed001's Note - yes we do, but we have also given up a lot of basic human rights and allowed our own freedoms to be eroded in recent years.}

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Fair point Ed 001, however, I feel we take a lot for granted and we are still extremely fortunate compared to other parts of the world. I,m not saying it's all good here, Im a glasgow boy and have known tough times, but now and again you have to take a wee look around and see it's a dam sight better than it was in a lot of ways. Basically what I'm saying is, this is how things are and we just have to get on with it.

P.S, love the site, some right clever buggers on here.

Neil J {Ed001's Note - we don't have to just get on with it, we do have the power to affect decisions, just not much power unfortunately! Luckily we are far better off than most countries, but we have to be careful not to end up losing our freedoms in return for 'safety'.}

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Yeah I agree, not sayin we should get too comfy as is so easy to do, before you know it,it's too late, I know we can make change if we stand together etc, but most of us are caught up in everyday life just to pay bills etc. Too many folk bitch about what should be done, however, the very folk who do are quite often the same folk who don't even vote eg, saying "what's the point, as they are all the same?"

I suppose my point is that ideals are great but "real" life takes precedence.

Neil J {Ed001's Note - very true, and that's why we always end up with the wrong people in charge.}

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So tell me Ed, how do we galvanise the people to elicit change?

Neil J {Ed001's Note - I wish I knew mate, I struggle enough to galvanise myself to do anything!}

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This is very true Ed, kinda the point I was making that it's tough enough just lookin out for ourselves!

Anyway, you and I can work together on here and start a new movement hehe.
I'm sure we will drum up some support on here.
Could get some of the bright guys to write our manifesto hehe.
Show the "bad guys", whoever they are that things are gonna change around here.

What do you reckon Ed?

Neil J {Ed001's Note - certainly worth a try, might be a bit of fun if nothing else.}

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Ok Ed, nice one, will sleep on it and begin in earnest tomorrow.

Night all you crazy folks.

Neil J {Ed001's Note - night mate and cheers for the chat, it's been interesting.}

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31 Oct 2011 18:18:14
Just watched the documentary north Korea uncovered,
Woooow I am sooo happy I have my freedoms and libertys.

Sopac4lyfe

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