Conspiracy Talk Archive December 04 2011

 

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04 Dec 2011 23:33:34
I look at this as one big game. Who will win the War.
You have the US supplying weapons to everyone, Israel with aparent Nuclear bombs, the Nazis, russians, turks with secret weaponry....bla bla bla....The most successful and feared country will rule the world. Smoke a joint and you'll realize lol This is one huge war game.

Azza

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Amen to that war will never be won its just been postponed

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04 Dec 2011 23:23:38
Around a month ago The israelis come on to a turkish boat via helicopter and shot a few turkish troops because they were sending aid to the palastines. When asked about it the israilis denied it ever happend however People on the boat were adamant the attack came from the jews. Discussions are still going on as to whether The turks should take further action. The turks were a very strong force many years ago wouldn't like to anger them to be honest. Just something i thought i should share.

Azza

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Thanks for sharing mate sounds interesting - n ur right the turks can kick ass lol

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They might have been a nasty bunch in the first war and their football thugs might be handy against lost football fans but they would last about 5 minutes in a modern firefight against the yanks, russians or chinese.

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Thats your opinion and you may well be right but i have to disagree. At this day and age theres no one on one fight, If Turkey were to go to war i'm pretty sure and confident they will be backed by Germany who were also a major force back then. They don't lose their hunger and knowledge over night. Its just like if America go to war they will be backed by us. Don't underestimate 2 countrys who have stayed out of the lime light. They don't run their mouths like us and the Yanks. The less they stay out of the lime light the more time they can go undetected in developing their bombs lol. You just don't know these days.

Azza

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You also should know that it is (or at least was not too long ago) compulsary for turkish men to serve for their country in some form of armed service. So taking that into account and if there was a war thats alot of potential soldiers who could step up. Thats not including the sheer size of turkey and their population

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PLenty of countries still have national service doesn't make them a power. The Turks couldn't even get the Greeks out of Cyprus so that ends ur obvious weak armed forces knowledge.

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And the Americans lost in Vietnam,so not all.wars are based around strength

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America has never won a war, any war!

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Not true America has won many a propoganda war!

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04 Dec 2011 23:17:32
does anyone think that there is no such thing as usa vs russia and that they are just using all these excuses to kill of a few more people to keep population down. us brits should make friends with russia and be peace keepers.

im gonna rant here but there is no need for these wars fighting is not needed we are all part of this earth and we are neigbours of each other and dont believe all this bulls##t of we've got enough power to end the world 1000's of times over who in their right mind would have that much power to kill them selves and end human life?

i won't say to much you never know who's watching or who wants to silence you because of x, y & z

remember DTA(dont trust anyone)

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Friends with Russia? We operate alongside America on all fronts especially when concerning the Russians the cold war may be over but there is still no trust and a recent increase in Russian weapons ensures there is uneasy times ahead again

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The americans are the aggressors here, along with Britain and Israel, look into the military industrial complex. JR

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I agree with the above post but I wouldn't trust Russia or China either

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America and china sell dead bodies for research they also sell body parts (fancy a Kidney?) from people who are still alive, at least the russians don't do this.

So while no country can be trusted not even your own America is one of the least to be trusted

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Been reading a few things lately about biblical prophecies, very much believed that the following=

King of the North- Revived holy Roman Empire( Church of Rome and German led- always has been)

King of the South- Iran

But there is also mention of an army consiting of 1million soldiers, China/ Russia.

Who knows.........................we will just have to wait and see

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Russia has one million soldiers

China has an unlimited amout of soldiers with at least three million on immediate hand

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Oops, yep couldn t have been thinking. The army mentioned in Revelation is 200 mill strong.

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04 Dec 2011 23:15:24
silly question but what effect would WW3 have on us? If there was one.

Azza

{Ed033's Note - You would expect that WW3 would culminate in thermal nuclear strikes.}

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There will NEVER be a nuclear strike . Think about it..........

Nothing to gain , just radiation sickness for everyone . No crops , oil production or industry .

Nuclear war - everybody loses
No Nuclear war , but the threat exists - everybody does what they're told .


jimi88

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That's the plan, read the Georgia guide stone's, research population reduction, they'd be delighted with a nuclear war !

{Ed033's Note - The ruling class have the idea that they can go into their underground bunkers just before the nuclear strikes with army personnel plus a few scientists and then emerge afterwards and round up whoever is left as slaves and start again. This appears to be their wet dream.}

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So you feel that man will not use nuclear weapons on fellow man? A little foolhardy, I would suggest. Maybe you are right though.......................there is SO much love in this world of ours. It will happen

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There will be NO nuclear holocaust , period . The weapons they possess are vastly more powerful than the two dropped on Japan . USA , China and Russia claim to have thousands of these warheads and that they are capable of poisoning our entire atmosphere for many decades , maybe centuries .

Who gains from that ?

Answers on the back of a stamp , to the usual address .

jimi88

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Jimi, get a fkn grip. There will be a nuclear war, and it will probably be not too far in the future. Do you believe that every one who has access to these weapons, is rational in their thoughts? Don t know if you have noticed the amount of suicide bombings etc that go on. All it takes is for a ROGUE unit to get theri hands on these weapons, do you think MAN will cure all the problems in the world first? Gonna be a strong wind blowing soon.

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" Jimi, get a fkn grip "
Erudite and acerbic , well done Mr Anonymous . There will be no tactical nuclear strike . Period . Terrorists getting hold of materials to affect a " dirty bomb " is a distinct possibility and i personally think that may happen . However , if it did happen , where would the retaliation be targeted ? Lets say "muslim extremists" got their mitts on the required materials and released a dirty bomb in London . Would our government then bomb every country that facilitated them ...Afghanistan ,Syria , Palestine , Iraq , Iran , Jordan etc ?

No they wouldn't .

You sound like you have been "mentally conditioned" by years of mainstream media scaremongering about the "cold war " , which didnt result in the nuclear holocaust that we were told it would . Perhaps your reply could contain the reasons why you think it would happen and not the tripe you offered

jimi88

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Jimi get a grip. I am not saying I want there to be a nuclear holocaust. We both won t be right, there either will or there won t. The fact that the weapons are out there, would point to a chance they could be used. To state that there will NEVER be a nuclear war, well can you see into the future?

Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed, people say this is a negative outlook on life I disagree. You can believe what you want, but once again, man has never build weapons which he has never used against fellow man. Forget Hiroshima/ Nagasaki, major evolution since then. You only need to look at Iran, it is desperate to wipe Israel off the map. The bible tells us what will happen in the days "of the end",- whether you believe it or not- it talks of a terror that is far greater than any before in human history, It has managed to get one or two prophecies right though.

Assume that Revelation, and the Bible in general is correct, it talks of God having to intervene in the last moments before humanity destroys itself. We can t both be right, though.

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So, to add, now there will never be a "tactical nuclear war".............first you said there would be " no nuclear strike", you seem to be hedging your bets a little there, no worries eh.

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04 Dec 2011 21:14:16
Anyone else watching black mirror on 4? think the opening answers my post on MI 5 controlling the media.

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It was bizarre. And if you mean the d notices, then that goes on a lot as well. If you haven't seen it i think you would the Jason Statham film Bank Job which covers similar area's. With a more believeable plot.

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04 Dec 2011 21:05:08
The Cold war propaganda is rearing its ugly head again, Russia and the US continue to flex their muscles with threats of "if you do this we will do that". Syria and Iran will probably be the tipping point, does anybody else find it strange that all the troubles in Libya, Syria and Egypt kicked off at the same time at a guess i would think the US stirred up the hornets nest, maybe even as one of the ED's suggested NATO sent in hired guns to make sure the 'job' was done right.

I also don't understand how the media manage to get people worked up about Iran 'possibly' having a nuclear warhead when Britain, America and Russia have enough of an arsenal to destroy the world 1000's of times over, surely that is the very definition of hypocritical. Also if Iran were to attack Israel not with not with missiles but with troops on the ground (which is impossible as they would have to go through Iraq to get their) would it not be just? Israel have not become the power they have by pure luck, on the surface it appears they pander to Americas ego needing protection, but if you dig a little deeper you see that door swings both ways.

I know this is a bit of a rant so i will try and wrap it up. my history is not great but during the 90's didn't the US claim to be going into Iraq (the first time) because Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait and also order the extermination of the Kurdish people, now fast forward 20 years Turkey are in the EU (well more or less in) and Turkish and US forces are fighting against the terrorist cell called the PKK. What a difference 20 years makes once a people in need of protection and now terrorists that need to be dealt with. Although during the 80's while Russia was in Afghanistan America backed the Afghans will all the money and weapons they could spare and now look.

The less people watch the news or read the papers the better, the media is a very powerful brain washing machine. I would imagine less than 10% of it is eventrue, this scene from Good Morning Vietnam probably isn't too far from the truth.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UY2uw3yoIA

great site ed the links posted are always interesting lets hope more and more people see through the lies and stop all this evil and injustice in the world.

always a red

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How will we be able to get info if we can read the paper or watch the news. Not having a go i'm just intrested because i want ot learn more.

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I wouldn't say can't watch the news or read the paper, but just take it with a pinch of salt. The only news i watch is 'The Daily Show with Jon Stewart' purely because he points out the madness of Fox News and their Republican masters, and that's always good for a laugh.

If you look on the internet you come across some genuinely interesting and eye opening stuff. But even then you have to keep your own mind and take from it what you like.

always a red

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Thats the thing, everyone has their own bias, non of them are 100% reliable, its all down to your own personal bias.

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04 Dec 2011 19:15:21
US spy drone claimed to have been shot down over Iran.

2 theories.

1. Iran made it up and have some wreckage they;ve taken from Iraq or Afghan and mocked it up to claim they have shot down a spy drone and put pressure on the US regards these sanctions.

2. America let them shoot down an old drone although not sure why.

Yes i am rejecting the obvious one cos if you were using any kind of spy craft over a hostile country, and i do agree that the yanks are, then you'd use soemthing that wouldn't get shot down. Or more likely with the tech the yanks have i don't think the Iranians would have anyhting that could touch them hence theory 1 or 2.

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Very possible both off your theories,probably never be told the real story anyway...why was the drone flying over Iran?Is it legal for the U.S to fly the drone in another countries airspace?Tbh the U.S are a bigger threat to the world than Iran.

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04 Dec 2011 18:31:28
It makes me laugh how so many people come on here slating the Yanks and prasing the Russians, and then you see stuff like just on the BBC news.

Putin's got the army out by the Kremlin in these huge trucks, no reason given just blatent intimidation.

The BBC in a crowd trying to talk to this elderly geezer who was giving his legitimate complaints when he gets dragged off by about 4 burly blokes in uniform.

Then you have the opposition guy syaing their boycotting the elections cos of various shady tricks of Putins.

And yet some people reckon the Russians are alright, the good guys, the saviours from the nasty yanks.

Now i will admit the yanks have issues but i'd say the Russians have even bigger issues. They really are sliding back into a police state, give it 5 years and Putin will be outlawing all other parties.

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I think both are bad but the yanks are much much worse,the russians dont need the faceoff with usa as the russians are a very weathly country with the oil and natural minerals, as for uncle sam who owe over 13 trillion dollars, they know in twenty years time that they wont be a magor superpower and that makes them scarey now. Frankyscouse

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Bear in mind the russians only know about all that mneral wealth because of the yanks. the svoiets ignored it for years, and didn't have the captial to exploit it anyway. That changed in the 90's, it was US banks lending to Russian companies that enabled them to get in there and exploit it.

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The usa banks lending money, are you havig a laugh? The usa banks have been lending money from china,japan and germany for the past 30 years to build there space programs and to fight there wars, frankyscouse

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Er yeah go have a look at how much US banks lent the Russians in the 90's.

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The yanks never lent russia nothing, infact they wanted them to bleed dry when the soviet union broke up in to different nations,thats were uncle sam stepped in with there comercial franchise, eg mcdonalds,burger king etc etc,like i said i think russia are bad in there own right, but the yanks are utter evil, you prob think if it wernt for tom and jerry we would be speeking german by now. Frankyscouse

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We paid America and Canada back for the help/work /weapons etc from WW2.
Did Russia ever pay us back for the convoys?
Have you ever been on holiday where Russians are? they are worse than Germans and that my friend's takes some doing!

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The russians worse than germans?

I found that funny knowing the two races!

Have you ever holidayed with the Brits or Irish abroad its a f*cking nightmare.

For example in Bulgaria you can usually here the above island races before you see them? (same in spain etc.)

Without being pedantic about a whole race and having worked for germans and in Germany I have always found them to be a pain in the arse. Little humour, always serious, quite aggresssive while the russians are quite serious but have a better sense of humour and fun (then the germans), easier to make friends with a russian than a germans however the russians are are inherently more dangerous.

But then maybe I am biased I like the russians, not them all of course there are bad ones but there are many more good ones than we believe due to propoganda.

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04 Dec 2011 13:42:22
ed, you mentioned that the crown corporation could be controlling the US, but what i don't understand is why would the US take orders from them? and do as they tell them? what does the crown corporation have over the US that makes them keep in line?

thanks

keightley!

{Ed033's Note - The USA federal government is supposed to have shared powers between the 3 branches of government, judicial, legislative and executive branches. The executive branch has now been given the full power over the other 2 branches. As all of the states in American are controlled via the federal government, if you control the executive branch, you control the USA. The executive branch is allegedly controlled from the "City of London".}

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Keightley here is some further info for you:

www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=126&contentid=1281

www.americanpendulum.com/2011/05/world-economic-superpower-the-crown-corporation-of-london/

not much but keep digging

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I read on the website you linked us that the british empire never died it was just renamed to the united states of america, does this have something to do with the crown corporate ?
(bare with me ed im still learning about this stuff)
keightley!

{Ed033's Note - Go here - www.richplanet.net/starship.php
Scroll to the bottom of the page and click on any "watch" link and watch then after you have watched the 3 parts click on another "watch" link.

People use different terminology to describe the same thing and have a slightly different perspective on things. The "British Empire" run from the "City Of London" includes the USA or at least "The Crown Corporation" think so.

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Thanks ed.

keightley!

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Keightley sometimes in business a company gets too big so parts get split off into different divisions.

1776 was one of those instances.

Look at how anti British Obama was when first elected and look at the change since he first came to London to meet his boss.

I wouldn't say that the CC had full control of America, more like Senior partner/ Junior partner in the same firm. CC advises on certain things they would like to see done and the junior partner goes and does it.

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04 Dec 2011 14:35:04
immunization as a child? the start of the dumbing down process?

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{Ed033's Note - Obviously vaccines make the medical cartel a huge amount of money but later on in life these vaccines allegedly cause health problems as well.

From a control point of view. It is easier to control a population that is in ill health.}

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Or even piggyback in on the shot another disease or something that targets certain genes or whatnot.

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04 Dec 2011 14:30:12
10-15 jets spotted at 4am this morning chasing a strange 'light' in the Essex countryside.

Has anyone else heard or seen this?

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Or if anyone has any ideas what it could be please don't hesitate. This has really shaken me and my mate.

Obviously not just the conspiracy side of things, what could be the more logical answer?

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Can you please give more detail mate.? Frankyscouse

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At about 4am this morning we saw what we thought was a star drop from the sky. It kept getting bigger until it was a good 3-4mm in sky hovering off to our right. Then started zig zaging at an outreagouse pace. Then the un-mistakable noise of a jet engine followed by another then another then another, we pulled over and watched for 5-6 mins. Iv never been so petrified.

I'm no from Essex so no idea where exactly. Iv posted on here a few times now mainly in response to other people's
Posts. But this honesty feels like it was sent to test me.

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How come ufo' (if they exist) don't make a noise like jets do with the sonic boom due to them breaking the sound barrier ?

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Tjhey have superiior tech so don't make noise i would guess. Maybe an improved stealth sort of thing? They only get seen because they want to be seen?

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It was in the sky 5 to 6 minutes,no pictures on your phone?. Frankyscouse

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Yes I have pictures but unfortunately not the best quality as its off an I phone 3GS (2mega pix).

Feel free to doubt me, I purly want to
Try and find a logical explanation

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Not doubting u mate but if you put your pic on youtube then give us the link it might get the answers you are looking for,i did the same with my clip on youtube. Frankyscouse

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04 Dec 2011 12:04:42
watched the fourth kind again and i know its been panned by critics for being fake, what i have found out is the fbi were called in when there were a few people diserpairing, reports claim they prob died in alaska by anything from getting lost o having a acident in the harsh alaska climate,but there are records showing that a whole village near nome in alaska disapaired with a population of 1300,the strange thing is there were no signs of struggle no bodies and the eerie thing was the graves of the elders were all dug up and all the bodies gone,think this happend 1930. frankyscouse

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I really enjoyed the film franky lad, i even googled to see if was a true story....the bit when the peeps are levatating whilst under hypnosis is weird as !! something is strange !!

matty b

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Deffo matty,weird poo going on there. Frankyscouse

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04 Dec 2011 00:35:55
Hi all, just wanted to put this out there. There's obviously a lot of doom and gloom around at the moment and a lot of people are very concerned about the future. Now I'm no activist and I would assume that most people on here, like me, would just like to live a quiet life and get on with your own thing unmolested by big corporations and a government that sold us down the river for the corporate bosses they serve.

There is one thing you can do. It's called foraging and it gives you some measure of control over your own destiny. There is an abundance of free, organic food all over this country and if a food crisis hits us (I reckon 6-9 months away max but I'm no expert so don't go mental on my say so) you will at least give yourself and your family a fighting chance.

Get yourself a couple of decent field-guides and get out there.

Why give money to Tesco for nutrient-deficient, mass produced goods when you walk past great food sources every day?

Just a thought.

I've only been at it for a little while but it's going really well. OK it's winter so not that well but there's always something out there. eg. today I got rosehips, plantain, dandilions and nettles and I was only out for half an hour.

Len

It would be cool to have a page on this but I have an idea how busy the ed's already are.

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Im not eating nettles mate il just turn to cannibalism

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Len no offence mate but do you really expect things will get that bad?

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Len mate, get a grip of yourself. I hope you aren't feeding children this kind of stuff.

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Ah Len you are right although I think its years away rather than months

And all the money in the world with be worthles it already is, we are just living in illusionary times.


If you offered an apex predetor 100 pounds or a lump of meat he would always take the meat (please spare me the jokes about the predator not being able to spend the money) the fact is in times of shortages money is useless and these times Len is talking about are coming.


Better brush up on hunting skills, boyz.

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