Conspiracy Talk Archive March 04 2012

 

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04 Mar 2012 22:52:30
Very good and informative video about what is going on in Syria right now...people need to know what is really going on...serious amount of evil people in powerful positions in this world!

Enjoy the video!

PmacC

www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVgaQwn2S9g

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Great link pmacC.
frankyscouse

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No problem franky!

PmacC

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Its six of one and half a dozen of the other, they are both as bad as each other, and who knows whats going on over there. Any or all of this footage from both sides could be faked.

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04 Mar 2012 20:46:30
any good vatican theories?

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I heard the Pope lives there....... UNDERCOVER ELEPHANT.

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04 Mar 2012 20:41:30
Because the Vatican is its own law. With the child age of sex they would probably make up so
E mad name for it like that kindoku, say the believe in it ans walk away Scott free Like their the ones being picked on. the vaticans moto must be the grad on wicket.

Delboy

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04 Mar 2012 20:39:13
Andrew Breitbart dies on the day he was going to release a Video that was going to be very bad for Obama election bid.

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Explain more? Somone

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{Ed033's Note - Targeting Of Key Patriots on Enemies List?

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Its all a bit Jason Bourne!

Wouldn't be surprised if that was actually a true story.

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04 Mar 2012 20:17:02
There are supposed to be 4 masonic lodges in the Vatican, 2 york rite, 2 Scottish rite, with infamous P2 being the most prominent. Does the Vatican control the masons or does the masons control the Vatican. And why is the legal age for having sex in the Vatican only 12.

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The legal age is because of Italian Law. When the Vatican became a state it did so under the proviso of keeping some old Italian laws. The legal age of consent in Italian Law was 12 (now 14 i think) so the Vatican is/was the same.

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04 Mar 2012 19:43:41
Does anyone know how many crystal skulls have been found. Also what exactly do scientists think will happen if they bring them together. I watched a program about them the other day(ancient aliens) and it wasn't very informative.

Delboy.

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I think the reason it wasn't very informative is because...well...there were almost certainly no "ancient aliens".

Rikki

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@Rikki- "amlost certainly no ancient aliens"
Not being standoffish but I'm really interested in hearing you're thoughts on the expedited evolution of our speciec. We wandered around for millions of years unable to make even the most elementary civilogical advances and seemingly instantanously at about 12-14 thousand years ago we began farming, domesticating animals, and building civilizations. Also eyewitness reports of the times as well as scientific annomalies seemingly point to unrivaled technological occurences in these ancient times. These are not schewed hypothesi of conspiracy sight but rather fact and I'm just curious to hear you're beliefs on the matter.
BUCK

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Note to ed: if this is too long, please just post TLDR¯!

@BUCK
This is actually a tough one! The wandering around for millions of years before our technological and sociological explosions is only an issue because we view it as advanced humans. By this I mean we weren't actually just "wandering around" for all this time, but the evolutionary pressures at the time required very different selective responses than to be "inventive" (such adaptations as antipredator behaviour, social cohesion, orbital convergence were selected for).

Current thought suggests that advanced social structures evolved before any major technological advances emerged. So if you picture a "caveman" population using primitive tools but having a society with structure, roles, bonds, 'rules' and - most importantly “ language, any single technological advance (e.g. fire, hunting strategies, domestication and planting edible flora) would spread through all the sub-populations at a rate so quick it appears instantaneous in retrospect.

The reason such advances can spread so quick is because they are not genetic adaptations, which need to be passed on through generations, rather they are cultural adaptations that can be transferred horizontally (across one generation), and be improved, within a single generation. Therefore if group A works out that using rocks to build shelters is a much better alternative than wood or straw, group B, who live close by and share relatives, will quickly adopt any advantageous advances and, as they will have their own method of construction, may stumble across a better method for building such structures. This can then be transferred back to Group A in the space of weeks or months. (This is why language is so important, and is extremely under-appreciated). Swap rocks for shelters¯ for fire¯, farming¯ ad nauseum.

I hope that makes sense, it's hard to explain without invoking kin selection and such. Such developments would have been occurring consistently long before 15000 years ago for instance, we were domesticating animals well before 14,000 years ago (the domestic dog has been genetically distinct from the wolf for at least 15000 years, suggesting it was being bred a good while before this time).

I have no knowledge of the anomalies or eye-witness accounts of which you speak, so I can't address them, but I hope that kind of gives you an idea of how it is plausible, within the realms of what is understood today (I'm sure people here can accept genes exist, and humans have evolved) to explain seemingly quantum leaps in human advance without invoking any supernatural or poorly-supported theories.

Sorry for the length, but it's my field!

Rikki

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Thanks for the respnod Rikki, I don't personaly subscribe to any particular theory on the matter, just like knowing all theories. I figured you'd have a pretty good grasp on the mainstream scientific thoughts on the matter. Admittedly I had completely forgot Kin selection when thinking on the matter, so that's where my struggle was at. Thanks
BUCK

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04 Mar 2012 13:21:29
To the eds. do you know what happend to the meteorite that was over uk last night. It was noiseless and there is no reported impact.

Cheers, Delboy

{Ed033's Note - I don't know what happened to it

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It disintegrated.
frankyscouse

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04 Mar 2012 15:58:40
Does anyone think that that with the way reality tv is becoming more and more desensitized that there could be a hunger games esque show on tv soon . Let's say in 50 years time

Thoughts

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It sort of happend big brother does it and i am a celeb.
frankyscouse

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No i meant people a show where people fight or kill each other

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Can we start with the cast of Eastenders please

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04 Mar 2012 11:28:44
Let's end the religious debate....Adam n eve...they had bellybuttons!! Not to mention the serious inbreeding!

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How do u know they had bellybuttons ?

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Adam and Eve heard the sound of the "Lord" as he was walking in the Garden so they hid. Bible only gets to Genesis 3:8 before the whole idea of an omnipotent God is replaced by a guy out for a stroll. Most of the early stuff is taken from Egytian and Sumerian texts and then spouted as "Divine Word". As we say in Ireland you'd have to be a Langer to believe it cause it's pure bollox.

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04 Mar 2012 11:17:25
anyone think that nuclear weapons have existed before? There's some funny stuff in both the bible and the vedas. As the blast fuses the soil together and turns it to glass which eventually disintegrates into sand does this account for the sahara, arabian and indian deserts?

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No

{Ed033's Note - Yes, the ancient indian texts talk about the Vimanas that shoot arrows that create a mushroom cloud. We also have fused rocks and stones that probably were fused together because of an ancient nuclear blast.}

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I am sure i have watched a programe were they found a test tube buried somewere in ice and judging by the age of the ice it was a few thousand years ago,
frankyscouse

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I remember having a convo with ed001 about technology regressing in comparison..ancient Indian texts(better known as Hindu texts..a term recently brought into use to form a new religion) have a lot of stories which speak about advanced technology in weapons, communication and also medicine..

i have read descriptions of aftereffects of war which are similar to nuclear attacks and the effect it would have on man and our surroundings.. I also remember in the mahabharata there was talk of a weapon which once invoked could not be taken back..and it would destroy everything in a large area..and no life could be sustained for generations to come..the main portagonists in the epic always thought twice before either teaching it to their students or invoking it during the course of war..

brilliant read if you skip past the recent translations which attribute the lessons of the epics more towards to "religion" than life as it is..considering that the Gita the books starts with saying this an explanation on the way of life and not a hard and fast rule to be followed.. it never was claimed to be the book of hinduism..it just recent attribution that has turned the Gita into a holy book..

Rudi

{Ed033's Note - Dr. Joseph P. Farrell's book Cosmic War: Interplanetary Warfare, Modern Physics and Ancient Texts delves into this topic

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Regarding "Ed033"'s mentioning of fused rocks (and mushroom clouds to a certain extent), any decent-sized meteorite that struck Earth would release considerably more energy than any nuclear explosion recorded to date.

It is this energy that causes rocks to be "fused" together, regardless of whether it is provided by high-energy fission reactions or meteor impact. The difference between the two possibilities is that there is evidence for meteor impacts on Earth and throughout the Solar System. There is not one shred of evidence for a nuclear explosion pre-20th century on Earth or indeed any other celestial body.

Rikki

{Ed033's Note - That is your opinion, it is not fact.}

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Ed033, mine is an opinion supported by almost insurmountable evidence. Every single metamorphosed rock on the planet can be accounted for by natural processes such as heat and pressure. There is no need for high-energy radiation or stray nuclei to explain anything. Evidence is not opinion-based.

Rikki

{Ed033's Note - The idea is that if you come onto this web site, you come on with an open mind and the willingness to look at new information and and possibly learn new things because nobody knows everything. There is plenty of evidence of possible nuclear technology being used in the past on this planet but you have to have an open mind to read or take a look at the information in the first place.}

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"There is not one shred of evidence for a nuclear explosion pre-20th century"

There is a site near India, I believe it is in Pakistan but I may be wrong, where a city that is now just remnants that have been dug showed a lot higher radiation than normal levels. It is speculated that this was a site where an explosion may have taken place in the past as mentioned in Hindi texts. The site is still being excavated ...

Dutch

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