Conspiracy Talk Archive December 05 2012

 

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05 Dec 2012 21:34:29
Very interesting book I'm reading at the moment, found it in PDF format on a google search
Did 6 million really die by Richard e harwood

After watching Iranian president Ahmadinejad say on an interview he didn't believe the holocaust happened, I've started doing my own research with some startling facts.

Also looked into (briefly) the Anne frank story being a hoax

Both stories could've been falsified to get the masses to sympathise with the Jews who of course control the entire media circus.
Stee

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Stee i don't think the Anne frank diaries are a hoax but more of a exaggeration which could be the same as the Holocaust .
frankyscouse

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I think your probably right with regards the Anne frank diary, but I haven't done enough research to have a proper opinion on it. I've mainly been looking into media involvement into Jewish affairs.
With regards the holocaust the German reich not only allowed German Jews to be relocated, but allowed them to leave Germany with all their assets which equated into our inflated economy as 400,000,000.
Also where the exaggeration is involved according to population census from around ww2 after all the 'relocating' of the Jews from not only Germany but all countries under influence from the reich there was only 300,000 Jews in and around Germany. Of these 300,000 a lot of them had declared war on Germany. So in a war situation it's not uncommon to destroy the opposition
Stee {Ed001's Note - there were many that were in occupied countries, so 300k would not be a true figure. You have to consider that those countries would also be involved in any extermination, while occupied.}

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But why would such a radical regime such as the nazis go through legitimate means to get Jews relocated, if they were going to implement genocide. I've been reading that it was incredibly close to having Madagascar as a Jewish settlement for the worlds Jews.
If I was planning any form of genocide (which I certainly am not!) I'd be looking at ways of luring Jews into Germany or other occupied countries to carry out the atrocities. Not letting them leave with their lives beliefs and their monetary assets.
Stee {Ed001's Note - maybe the only thing they wanted was to get the Jews out of the Third Reich? If so you would take the cheap option first - let them leave of their own accord. Any that are left, would then be much easier and less costly to clear out.}

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It's hard to tell how many Jews were in east Europe at the time though because the nazis refused to count Jews in the census or in any unemployment figures meaning the death toll could have been exaggerated
LP

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I think i read somewhere Stalin killed/starved more of hes own people than Jewish people in the Holocaust that leads me to think there was a exaggeration to the numbers that was killed and a agenda by the rich Zionist to get Israel.
frankyscouse

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Frankyscouse, Stalin killed 20 million Russians and his excuse was "one death is a tragedy but a million deaths is a statistic"
LP

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I just wanted to say I had family who died in the Holocaust and I find it rather offensive that anyone could suggest that it was made up.
There isn't a Jewish conspiracy to rule the world. Maybe there is a lot of Jewish people who have massive stakes in the media and banking industries, yet there is equally a large amount of Atheists and Christians. I know this is a conspiracy page so maybe I'm over reacting, but to suggest the Holocaust was a hoax touched a nerve.
John {Ed001's Note - I think most people are just saying the numbers were exaggerated, rather than it didn't happen. Also you are making the mistake most people do, Judaism and Zionism are two distinct entities. After all, there are a lot of people who think Freemasonry is involved and that is in no way a Judaic organisation. I think it is more a case of people saying some Jewish people were involved, rather than it being a Jewish conspiracy. This is why I wasn't sure about even starting with this thread, it is too personal to many people.}

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Hey john like edd said no on here has said the holocaust was made up and this is not a agenda against the Jewish people .
frankyscouse

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If anything the figures involved are too low, some historians reckon the figure could be much higher.

Also bear in the mind the people involved in the holocaust wasn't just Jews, it also included the mental/ physical disabled, socialist and communist opposition, priests, anyone who p'd the Nazi's off went off to camps.

Stee, originally the plan was to just drive them out of Germany, preferably out of Europe altogether. Hence stuff like Kristallnacht and the Nuremburg laws, anything to humiliate and deman them to the point where they said enough is enough i'm leaving and then they charged them to leave the country, not exactly leaving with all their assets as property was confiscated when they left and the fee's they had to pay to emigrate. The majority of this cash is still in Swiss banks which the Swiss deny exist!

By 1940 with the war going and borders closed emmigration was no longer an option. Throw in the 3 million Jews in occupied Poland, most of whom were poor and the thinking started to change.

Figures were kept on an estimate of how many Jews in Europe were around, its in the only surviving copy of the Wannsee documents. Incidentally, i suggest watching the Kenneth Branagh film "Conspiracy" again based on the surviving conference notes.

Concentration camp inmates provided cheap labour that could be exploited. Everything that could be used was used. There were experiments to render human fat to make soap, hair was collected to make winter clothing for troops or felt boots for uboat crews.

12 million people are supposed to have died in the holocaust, 6 million of these Jewish. These figures seem credible and yet are small beer compared to Stalins near 30 years holocaust of the Soviets whch killed easily twice as many people.

I find the whole notion of the figures being "falsified to get the masses to sympathise" extremely distasteful. It happened, whether it was 6 million or 600,000 it is still a horrifying disgusting act which elicits sympathy from every decent human being.

By all means question events, as i said some historians still dispute the figure, i've seen estimates from 6 million up to 18 million people (thats everyone not just the Jews) 12 million is the accepted figure. Records in eastern Europe were poor and a lot were lost in the war.

But to swallow stuff from people like amedinejad who clearly has an agenda on the behalf of his masters, the clerics, then thats just believing a different set of propaganda.

Mort {Ed001's Note - excuse me but you are wrong, priests were not involved in this at all. In fact the Catholic Church was complicit in helping. I do agree though, the numbers aren't really relevant to whether or not it was a terrible tragedy.}

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Ed1 priests did end up in camps for opposing the nazi's, certainly several Lutheran priests did. I was jusy saying that not everyone who got killed was Jewish. A lot was political opponents etc, anyone who asked qustions. Ypu can even count the White Rose and the army conspirators as victimes, some people do. Mort {Ed001's Note - but the priests were not persecuted for being priests, that was political opponents who happened to be priests.}

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Hitler had an agreement with the Catholic Church to stay out of each others way called concordat
LP {Ed001's Note - there was a lot more than that, including the present pope's role in helping Nazi's to escape justice at the end of the war. It was the Catholic Church orchestrating their flight, forging them documents and false papers and passports, as well as arranging travel.}

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Mort no one is disputing the fact the Holocaust as you put it was a horrifying disgusting act no matter what numbers died but as you probably know there has to be a agenda , putting Israel in Palestine was like putting a red rag to a bull, it does not take a scientist to work out why the powers that be wanted to create a new nation in the middle east, can anyone explain to me after being persecuted by the Nazis for nearly ten years why the hell would Jewish people feel any safer in the middle east?finally mort i do think there was a agenda like i mentioned Stalin committed genocide the world took no notice, Saddam Hussein done it when he was in the good books of the western powers and nothing was done,always have and always will have to be something in it for the elite to go to war.
frankyscouse {Ed001's Note - the Kurds are still suffering in Turkey, but no one helps them!}

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Hi mort, enjoyed the rant but 12 million?
I'm not disputing the fact that it happened but the scale I which it happened. And I agree ed that its not important as any deaths in this manner are horrendous irregardless whether they're Jewish or a priest or anybody.
The fact of the matter is anybody asking this question whether it be in a forum or anywhere they get castigated for it like I have from a few people on here.
As for Ahmadinejad, watch any interview you can where he's asked about his comments regarding the holocaust. He's never said it didn't happen but repeatedly wants simple answers to simple questions. Why isn't anyone in Europe allowed to research properly the Events that happened.
Why are people so protective over what happened?

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Just want to commend frankiescouse LP and ed 001 for being able to contribute to a difficult subject with a rational mind and without taking petty offence to any of it. It's people like you that make this site worth visiting
Stee {Ed001's Note - cheers mate, it is such a difficult subject, I know a few people that lost family members. I lived for years by a Polish neighbour, as a kid I remember him telling me about some of the things he went through. Being a child I was just amazed that he started off in the Polish army, got conscripted into the German army and then defected and joined the British army. But looking back on it now, it must have been horrific to have lived through it.}

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Cheers stee it is a emotive subject and its good to have different opinions to weigh up were you stand on the topic, good post feller.
frankyscouse

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The holocaust certainly happened, i must agree in the beleif the death tolls were exagerated to help alterior motives that were around. This does not mean that it makes it any better. Macedonian people have been suffering this for money years in Southern Macedonia(Northern Greece), at the hands of Greeks.Macedonians were killed for speaking their own language, beleiving their own beleifs, and were forced to change names to Greek surnames or forced out of their homes or killed. This has been happening for the last 100 years, but with protection from the monarchy it is not well known about. Also there is no monetary or political gains for antone to care....and that my friends is the be all and all of it....It comes down to money & power always!
OzSteve

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Relating to ed001 Polish neighbour, my grandad was Polish and was forced into Siberia when the Russians came in, he and a few hundred others walked from Siberia to turkey to meet up with the British army, who he fought with before being allowed to come back to England
LP

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05 Dec 2012 19:51:07
Anyone think there's any truth in the Nancy Lieder story?-Woman who claims to be contacted through a chip in her head by aliens- I think she needs locking up, complete lunatic
LP

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05 Dec 2012 00:25:04
interesting video called Illuminati Death Conspiracy - New World Order 2012 on YouTube, it suggests the Spanish flu epidemic in ww1 was man made and the people who avoided the flu jabs lived and a monument built in Georgia In June 1979, an unknown person or persons under the pseudonym R. C. Christian hired Elberton Granite to build the monument part of the writing on the monument says "Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature."
over two weeks and counting to 21/12/2012 guys.
frankyscouse

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Alright Franky IMO I think most flu type viruses/illnesses are man made anyway.

Aaron

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I have come around to that opinion Aaron and to take it further i would not let my kids get there jabs when they were babies if i could,my youngest girl is due to to get rubella/bcg jab in the next few years and i know me and the mrs are going to argue about this,i am adamant she will not get the jab and the mrs thinks or does not think about the stuff i believe in.
frankyscouse

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There's a statement on Facebook along the lines of "If YOUR kid has had the jab, why should you care whether mine hasn't?" {Ed001's Note - the thing is that most of these jabs are now being given for illnesses that aren't life-threatening, so why would you need immunity from them? More people die from flu jabs each year than do from influenza. Is it a form of euthanasia? To give them to the elderly who are no longer paying their way, but drawing a state pension? Certainly the state of wards for elderly patients and lack of care in NHS hospitals would suggest a deliberate attempt to reduce the population of pensioners.}

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I have just prevented my daughter from having her jabs and have now been asked to attend a meeting at her school,am now in the process of obtaining as much info as possible to present to the school,cant wait to see the reaction when presented with the facts(if they can even be bothered reading them)will keep you all updated.

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Yeah mate keep us updated i would really like to know what they say.
frankyscouse

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Whatever jab/immunisation you get, you are injected with a small amount of the disease (maybe using the wrong word there), which apparently readies your body for any future attacks from whichever disease you are being immunised from. As an example AIDS is supposed to be a man made virus for use as population control.

Aaron

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