Conspiracy Talk Archive October 05 2011

 

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05 Oct 2011 23:00:26
Just wondering why my last post didnt make it up,was it lost in the system or something?
PmacC {Ed001's Note - I didn't see it, did it have something that might have got caught up in the spam filters? Such as http:// which just gets swallowed up, if you are posting links it needs that bit removed to get through.}

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Ah yeah...it did...cheers mate...will repost without that!! {Ed001's Note - glad the mystery is solved, it is a pain having to remove it, but it keeps all the cialis etc spam from coming through.}

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05 Oct 2011 19:39:52
Earlier I was reading a very interesting article about the 911 terror attacks. The most wierd thing I found out was reagring the Pentagon. This is quite lenghty so bear with me.

On September 10th Donald Rumsfeld was at a conference where he explained that 2.3 Trillion US dollars were unaccounted for. Yes people 2.3 Trillion. He then explained a crack team of people will looking into where and why this sum was unaccounted for. Now all the accounts were held at the Pentagon, they were all paper so any accident at the most secure building in America could cause the documents being lost. On September 3rd 2001 a major overhaul of all the computers was required because of the fears that hackers could potentially cause havock. This is why the old computers were recycled and all documents printed.
The object that hit the Pentagon had hit the exact section of the building where all the documents resisded.

The object was defo not a plane. Air crash specialists bought to the scene said it was, there is not definitive proof of any plane. In a seperate document 10 of the best piolts in the states were asked, did they deem it possible to fly a craft at high speeds and at a low altitude 7/10 said no. All ten took flight simulators to see if they could make a plane act in the way the American government said it did. 0/10 could do it, some of the pilots had 30+ years of expieriance. when asked that if some one with 2 years under thier belt could do it 6/10 refused to comment.

Also every morning I go the Londis shop. This corner shop has 5 cameras inside and 2 out side all in HD. One of the world most securist buildings seems to have one. Now that seems really fishy.

On the news I still remember seeing a pristine lawn. This is very funny because no one can answer why the lawn was flawless. If a light flight helicopter land there is a disturbance of the grass. We are made to belive that a airoplane with two RRoyce engines, regarded as the best and most powerful engines for thier size in aviation history did not leave any marks. Thats just bull.

TReVoR

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Ok assuming that i go with all that, and i'm discounting expert witness terstimony, it leaves 1 very big question:

What happened to the missing plane and people?

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Sorry meant to say that i don't discount the experts.

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Some conspiracy theorists belive that the plane and passengers went nowhere near the pentagon but served their purpose in this story and were disposed of elsewhere?

The hidden hand

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That would make sense to me. Personally, I believe that it was a missile that hit the pentagon, not a plane.
JQuan

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It was a drone aircraft, trust no one

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Has it ever been established if ALL of the victims have really existed? I guess to make it work, someone real must die in a promotional sense if you get me. They can't be on a missile so they must be silenced another way. For example, take the Captain of the plane. If he is real; he has either been given a new identity and living in some quiet backwater where no one knows him or, he has been kidnapped and executed at another location..Another possibilty, is they could all be fake or a mixture of both, grisly thought i know, but whoever is behind it like killing people.

Nealy fifty years ago the Operation Northwoods document suggests there is the capacity to "Sink ship near harbor entrance. Conduct funerals for mock-victims."
"Mock victims" = Fake victims

Fake victims = the ability to act it out in such a public way it creates a surge of support from the sheeple to enable more war and removal of your civil liberties.

I feel i'm being a bit brief here but its obvious to me the permutations only come up with an underhand outcome.

As Conan Doyle phrased, "Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."

Paragon {Ed033's Note - Firstly none of the so called hijackers were on the official flight lists (people on the flights) and apparently none of the names on the flight lists were middle eastern sounding names. So either the flight lists being given to us are fake or the people they said carried out the hijacking did not get on the planes. Secondly in the Loose Change 9/11 film, they say that 1 of the 9/11 flights was diverted to a military base. Thirdly, typically when there is compensation after a downed flight with deaths, 90% or more of the families of the dead claim the compensation being given out. But only a small fraction of the families of the 9/11 "dead" claimed compensation. Maybe if there were no deaths on the planes, this explains the small fraction of compensation claimed by the families of the "dead" on the planes. Maybe the planes that flew into the twin towers were military drone planes flown by remote control. Maybe a missile or a drone plane hit the pentagon. Maybe a drone plane loaded with baggage/already dead bodies was shot down over Pennsylvania.}

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..And what about Shanksville? Again no evidence of a plane, bodies etc, just a hole in the ground.

Again we are expected to believe that just like the Pentagon any real evidence has simply vapourised due to intense impact and temperatures...

Paragon

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Also the timing of it as well, early morning when the building was what less than a third full? Most workers were still on there they to work. If the idea was to kill as many as possible then you'd go later on, mid morning or afternoon to maximise casualties.

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Ask yourself how an airliner with a fibreglass nosecone can smash a 5m wide hole through 5 separate concentric layers of reinforced walls of the Pentagon, whilst there was no damage caused by the hardest part of the aircraft, namely the engines!

Reginald

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Four aircraft parts are known to have been recovered from inside the Pentagon [incidentally the impact hit the only part of the building closed for refurbishment], the aircraft parts included a segment of cockpit identified as being from a Douglas Skywarrior [1950s warplane] an engine part [Douglas Skywarrior] and an angular piece of fuselage [you guessed it, Douglas Skywarrior].

Reginald

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I wonder why Raytheon Corps were registered owners of some Douglas Skywarriors, allegedly carrying out some mysterious alterations? And why were such a high proportion of Raytheon and Boeing employees on the flights that hit the twin towers? Flights from Boston to California that are normally fully booked at that time of day on a Tuesday, but were strangely only about a third full this time? And, as mentioned above, did not include any of the named terrorists on the original versions of the passenger lists? One alleged terrorist is actually supposed to have died three days earlier? And why were remnants of the terrorist passports recovered from the rubble, when all else appears to have been vapourised?

Reginald

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And ask yourself how molten steel was clearly shown pouring from the side of one of the twin towers - in ideal conditions, aviation fuel will burn at a maximum temparature of about 1,800 degrees centigrade. Steel melts at around 2,800 c. What was in the building to cause this?

Reginald

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Despite the twin towers and WTC 7, for me the smoking gun(s) of that day is the Pentagon and Shanksville.

These sites should have been rich in recognisable debris; engines, airframe, seats, luggage, human remains and so on.

On the other hand we have the other two planes that go through the initial impact and fireball of the trade centre attacks in which any available evidence is destroyed in the subsequent demolition and removal of the WTC site.

Paragon {Ed033's Note - This is where the Granit missile theory is a likely candidate of what hit the Pentagon. The Pentagon released just 5 frames of film to the public which did not even show a plane hitting the Pentagon. At Shanksville there was allegedly some kind of debris that covered many miles.}

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05 Oct 2011 15:40:15
Has anybody read A New World Order by Anne-Marie Slaughter? If so do you have any feedback please? I have read the blurbs and it sounds as though she is totally advocating an NWO - i.e. instead of seeing where the world is headed and suggesting that this is not great at all BECAUSE it will result in NWO, she seems to suggest that with the NWO many problems will be solvable that otherwise would not be. That is the summary I have so far, if anyone is able to shed any more light that would be appreciated.

Raz

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I think lots of good things would come out of it , as who would ever vote or let these powers in if there wasnt , but who would be in charge and decide things , would it make us safer , maybe - but less free with more rules and regulations.......lfc

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There are many people, organizations, writers, etc, that give false information relating to the Illuminati

Some pretend to be against the Illuminati

Others pretend the illuminati are mis-understood

Take you pick?

Many people that you find on youtube sprouting rubbish for or against the illuminati are to be trated with the greatest of suspicion otherwise you may fall prey to their trap, these people are often paid by the Illuminati.

The new world order is only a vision of the illuminati that they have moved away from!

This vision was the joining of America, Canada and Mexico into a new country with a new currency, working title, the Amero

One thing about the illuminati or the people who work for them is that they are not Stupid.

No one has them figured out?

the spiritualsits think they can make their own world here on earth - BS

Some religious groups think they can avoid them by cornering off sections of countries and keeping their patch under control - BS - it doesn't work

Nice thoughts about the perfect world and how things should work is BS even wiothout the Illuminati man's greed would never allow such a system to flourish

I could be wrong but I think and so do some eminent scholars that man is created evill and made good so there are a lot of hands for the devils work.

Sorry for going off topic a bit its being a long days driving

So finding out more about the NWO or illuminati through books MAY lead you down blind alley ways.

The enchanted one

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So basically your whole point, is read nothing, learn nothing, research nothing, do nothing.

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No Amigo that's not my whole point?

My whole point is to not accept at face value what you read and use common sense which is not all that common in taking in information.

Thank you for correcting me, I understand I did not make that point clearly enough I assumed most would have got that message from the post?

The enchanted one

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If the 3 monkeys work for you that is what you should do, although I don't think that is what he has written?

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Some people understand the illuminati more than others you could try asking them?

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So basically your whole point, is read nothing, learn nothing, research nothing, do nothing.

How did you arrive at that conclusion?

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"the spiritualsits think they can make their own world here on earth - BS

Some religious groups think they can avoid them by cornering off sections of countries and keeping their patch under control - BS - it doesn't work

Nice thoughts about the perfect world and how things should work is BS even wiothout the Illuminati man's greed would never allow such a system to flourish

So finding out more about the NWO or illuminati through books MAY lead you down blind alley ways."

Rules out spirituaism, religion etc etc.

I'm all for warnings o be careful of what you read, i think all of us could take that on board on here.

I was just wondering what the enchanted one's view is on the Illuminati.

Finally our motto from work: never assume it makes an ass of u and me.

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You work for the blackpool manager?

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Well if I can just ask you all to chill out for a sec, my original question was has anybody read that book and if so what did they think?! This has gone massively off topic!

Cheers,

Raz

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Until the world as a whole faces up to the illuminati things won't change

Many people agree this is happening with more and more people understanding the role the illuminati play in their lives.

The illuminati are few in comparison to the people of the world, a stand against the illuminati MAYBE one way to overcome them? But who wants to do this? Most people are too concerned with just getting on with life paying the bills, looking after the kids, etc. and I am NOT saying these are bad things, just that the illuminati exploits this to its own advantage.

Much wiser people than you or I have no answers to the illuminati, where does that lead?.

However the longest journey begins with the first step the more people understand the problem the more a solution may be realized?

So many things in life work against the ordinary person, many things are designed to keep people down.

Some believe the world is operating on a different energy than in previous times and that the times ahead are one for change, who knows?

2012 is not the end of the world but the start of a time that signals a new consciousness and rebirth

Some people claim they can sense this subtle change in energy, are they right?

The illuminati brings up more questions than answers, one thing for sure any book that suggests the illuminati are a good idea or that things would not hapen without them needs to be treated with caution?

Apart from themselves who are the illuminati good for?

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...so has anybody read the book?!

dmedly

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Yes but its crap, buy it no other can tell you about it so enjoy

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05 Oct 2011 13:44:06
Lfc I looked into Suge Knight... don't really know what I was looking for? I basically found that he didn't murder 2Pac, so I don't understand your response to that post from Biggie haha. As in, the concept of or not SK murdered 2pac is not relevant to whether or not he is still alive no?

Raz

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Raz, if theres one man who knows who killed these two , its sk , pity biggie 2pac fell out , 2pac was a very smart guy as in knowing how the system works , govement , drugs , keeping the so called lower class in there place, interesting..........lfc

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Yeah true. So you reckon SK knows who killed Tupac? The only thing I really know is that Biggie and Tupac's beef was basically founded on nothing and there is no way one would ever have anything to do with having the other killed, that's about the extent of my 'knowledge'...
Raz

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My understanding of the 2pac/biggie thing is this , i think deep down 2pac and biggie knew very well there was a good chance they would end up dead , 2pac more so , while i dont think sk arranged the hit on 2pac as he was in the passenger seat and 13 shots were fired at the car, he was very much into the bloods gang , he manipulated a lot of the east/west coast thing , and i am sure he made a lot more money after 2pacs death , biggie was killed pretty much the same way , it would not be a big secrect on the streets who the hit teams were , and before anyone says -well the police would take them to court , its not that simple , you need hard evendice some of the hit gang members could be dead , or in prision or working for the fbi as imformers , after all 2 black gang members deaths wont cause the powers that be to look too far into it..........lfc

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