Conspiracy Talk Archive October 07 2011

 

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07 Oct 2011 21:49:27
While reading a link from here I stumbled on something about The Paris 4. Could anyone shed some light on this for me please? It confused me a bit to be honest.

Padawan

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Take nothing to do with it. IT IS DEMONIC!...

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If its truly demonic its interesting

Doubtful it is though, Satan does not leave a calling card

The hidden hand

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I can't find naything on it.

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Well now you have caught my attention! Care to elaborate?

Padawan {Ed033's Note - I know hardly anything about this. I have heard of the Council Of 9 - www.world-enlightenment.com/The-Order-of-Things/CIA-Andrija-Puharich-Council-of-Nine.htm

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Thanks Ed. I will need to read some more into that. Here is a link to the page I was reading that caught my eye for the rest of you guys to read if you can make any sense of what it all means.

Padawan

www.world-mysteries.com/PhilipGardiner/forbidden_letters1.htm

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I'm confused as well.

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07 Oct 2011 21:19:58
Anyone hear of Aokigaharad ! life stranger than fiction...
Bep Kororoti.

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07 Oct 2011 13:49:05
Check out "Who sunk the Titanic".
www.world-mysteries.com/doug_titanic1.htm

Seems to be saying that the Titanic was sunk by pro-Federal Reserve Bankers (Rockefellers, Rothschilds, JP Morgans), to kill off all remaining anti-Federal Reserve Bankers (Guggenheims, Astors, Strauss'). Surprise, surprise, the Fed Act was passed only months afterwards.
Interesting...not heard this one before.

JQuan

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Very interesting.

But whenever you look at the list of families who are supposed to be the heads of the Illuminati isn't Astor always on that list?

Either that is very interesting, i've heard claim before that it was insurance job. {Ed033's Note - As a side note. A guy called William Barnes was regressed by a therapist in America and Barnes happened to know detailed things about the design and the building of the Titanic and intimate personal details about the designer of the Titanic (Thomas Andrews). Barnes and the Therapist decided that Barnes was the reincarnation of Thomas Andrews. There is a book and 2 audio series available.
I built the Titanic, the original 4-hour audiobook presentation

A Past-Life Interview with Titanic's Designer, the 3-hour audiobook presentation

Thomas Andrews: Voyage into History, the book which brings all the findings together. Compelling biography of Andrews, based on the regression tapes

More info at upstel.net/~rooster/titanic.html

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It was a iceberg guys not everything is a cover up wake up smile the coffee beans

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You are right not everything is a cover up and trying to make everything fit a conspiracy does a dis-service.

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But what if everything is a conspiracy?

What if its all to distract us from the truth?

What if by throwing a few red herrings out there for people to chase they can identify trouble makers and keep people looking in the wrong direction away from looking for the real truth?

The Matrix Is Real.

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Well if that's the case we the world are all very stupid and we deserve to be screwed.

Just because you think there are all out to get you doesn't mean the are?

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07 Oct 2011 10:42:55
What does anbody think about tunguska, did aliens save us or what?
huddz red

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WHEN THE DREAM HAS PASSED, WHAT THEN?
V.I. Ordanenko
This story originally appeared in a Russian magazine devoted to science and technology under the title 'Kremlin Daydream'.
It explains a lot about the Tunguska explosion in 1908 in Remote Siberia and also explains why the "strange underground caverns and buildings" exist in the region. There has been a lot of documented evidence of "above ground dome shaped structures and stairways leading to underground caverns" which appear to be "from another world".

CM68

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I may seem a bit dosile by asking this, but i take it from your answer the the crash site is not open to the public? if not has it always been locked out? thanks
huddz red

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In the 1920's and 1930's, explorer Leonid Kulik made several journeys to Tunguska site, the Soviet Government kept rail lines off maps after his visits & protected the site during the early days of WW2 Russia got out of the war,this as the legend suggests, the Russians way of protecting their secret? What would have happened should the war have been lost, and the German invaders discovered the secrets of anti gravity flying machines or engines to drive between the stars?

Not always open to public in early iron curtain days but today there are trips available but very expensive....

CM68

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Here's a link to the Ordanneko article.

phils.com.au/tungusta.htm {Ed033's Note - In nexus magazine they had at least 2 stories about Tunguska. One was Nikola Tesla's wireless power transmitter could have triggered the explosion over Tunguska. The other is that there are a couple of extra terrestrial facilities on the earth that shoots energy at any large incoming objects to protect the Earth from being turned into Mars. In one of Graham Hancock's books, he postulates that Mars was hit by a bolide which stripped most of the atmosphere away and several miles of the land on one side of Mars was stripped away.}

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I had heard a theory of the wireless Tesla power transmitter but thought nothing of it really, it was a while back and i haven't lgot into conspiracy's until recently. Thanks alot for the help.
huddz red

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Come on guys your getting outa hand now if the soviet union had that tech why did they fall if they had that Technology the USA would have been there bitches not only that the Nazi's would of been wiped off the map in a day so if you see something on you tube take it with abit of salt cos it just makes you all look stupid {Ed007's Note - Why come on here and read things just to diss them? If you aren't interested or have nothing constructive to add then please could you refrain from posting, I am getting bored deleting all your sarcastic comments. Why should anyone listen to you rather than discuss or research anything? Your opinion means a lot less than people who look at things with an open mind and are prepared to listen to others. You are just saying things are wrong, how do you know they are?}

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Ed007 maybe you are the man or woman (my guess is you are a lady from the tone of your writing, please forgive me if I am wrong) to bring a bit of much needed sense to the moderation on this site.

The jurys still out though as you have not made many posts but this one looks good.

I hope you see balance and stop the BS before its starts the others eds here on this site tend to let thing go to far and then enter with the big foot and mouth making things worse.

Keep up the good work, you don't have to know as much as the others eds to moderate just be fair, balanced and intercede before the BS goes to far without being heavy handed.

I hope you will do a good job {Ed033's Note - To the poster who thinks there is a difference between the Soviet Union, USA and Nazis. I think you'll find that at the highest level they are all probably working together.}

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There no way Russia has anything to do with the Nazis or America.

I do not wish to get involved in an argument with you Ed033 as I won't win not because I am stupid but because you will censor what I write however I think you have offended a lot of people with this statement you have made.

30M russian's died in the world wars and they paid a higher price than any other nation.

Russia is the only country that constantly puts out information against the illuminati however as we are all brainwashed into thinking russia is a great evil no one believes it and the western press do not report it.

off topic -for those that want to see coverage of the wall street protest look at russian tv, its heavily covered.

Putiin knows the game that is being played by the illuminati however what can he do?

The hidden hand {Ed033's Note - Well David Icke said the following a long time ago and you just hit it. Icke said that there is a point where people can't or won't go. They will believe up to a point but then they cannot believe any further. You may not be the only one who cannot go this far but if you believe there is a secret space program then why can't the Soviets, AMerican's and Nazis be working together on a secret space program. Under project paperclip, Nazis went to the USA and were involved in NASA at the highest of levels. Other project paperclip Nazi scientists went to the Soviet Union. This is all public domain info. Don't you think secrets are being kept from you?

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ED033 Again I am not getting into an argument with you but I don't believe anything David says, I think he's a nutter. He believes in repiles etc. controlling the planet and I think thats a step way too far.

Greedy people humans control the planet not reptiles.

I know russian people very well, I don't think they would welcome the nazis
and putin certainly would not and he is the real power in russia. Most russians even if they were not around for WWII their history very well and Russian education believe it or not is one of the best in the world, the average russian is much better educated than the average yank, and the ordinary russian person would not support the Nazis, there is not a russian family that has not lost members in the war with the Nazis.

The average russian knows the way of the world far better than the average person in the EU.

Russia is on the rise, america is in decline, it won't be long before Russia and china assume the american mantle.

While the war in georgia went on Putin told America not to meddle in russian affairs and as much as the georgian president thought he had american support to back him up america had no intention of taking on Russia directly and they left the georgians to fend for themselves not what you would expect from a friend. The russians do not fear America, they are war like people and they have faced a financial crisis from the beginning of their federation not just since 2008.

I see the russian press regularly and its quite different to western press yes it might be slanted towards the russian government but is does expose the can of worms that is the illuminati much more so than other press.

I think it would be gracious of you to retract you comments about russia being mixed in with the nazis and america.

However you are entitled to your opinion.

The hidden hand {Ed033's Note - Are you telling me that project paperclip never happened and Nazi scientists did not go to America and the Soviet Union?

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I am not telling you anything ED033

I know for a fact there is a lot of mis-information out there.

Many People who claim to be exposing conspiracies actually work for the perpetrators of said conspiracies. Its good to confuse things ordinary people then think its all a load of old cobblers and believe none of it.

For example Ron Paul is not what he claims to be and neither is alex jones but that's for another day.

I have no doubt after WWII scientists switched between the USSR, America and Germany.

I believe the illuminati are so paranoid that they would not work with the russians.

Opel/vauxhall and Saab were up for sale in the last couple of years russia wanted to buy but was not allowed by america yet its in space with russia as a partner working on god only knows what?

It just doesn't stack up?

If america didn't want russia to have car technology why would it partner russia making gods knows what in space?


America cannot go to space (at least regularly) and relies on Russia to bring them to the international space station, (this is purely a financial arrangement)maybe this or other projects are being beefed up into the paperclip project something that is easily done.

Theres no love or friendship between America and Russia or its people and certainly Russians would not entertain Nazis.

For years America blocked russian entry into the World Trade Organization and every other click possible hardly the bed rock of collaborators, is it?

I never take conspiracy stories without doing further research and looking at things objectively from both sides.

Russians are first and foremost practical people, as an example take the AK47 and the american M16 on paper the AK47 is rubbish, the M16 is far superior however on the battlefield the AK47 is the better peice of Kit you can throw the AK47 into a pool of water, dance on it and it will still work, a small piece of dirt in your M16 can mean its does not work. Americans look BS and technology Russians love practicality so even their philosphies on how things should work are different Its doubtful these two mindsets could work together.

Look at their approach at getting into space the Russians keep it simple and practical the americans complicate things.
Two totally different tribes.

The hidden hand {Ed033's Note - From your previous post where you want me to remove 1 of my posts. Are you saying that anything you perceive to be politically incorrect should be banned/censored?

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No Ed033 I think you take me up wrong.

I want you to do nothing but what you think is right.

I will paraphrase here what I said in an earlier post

I said it would be gracious of you not to say what you did and for you to retract your statement?

I do think your statement is offensive based on the fact that 30m Russiand died in the war and that the russians colluded with the nazis based on what I consider flimsy evidence, but I do respect your right to say what you think.

If you feel you are right then obviously keep to your opinion, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Operation Paperclip did not start until on or after 1945 and it ran for some time, infact I have seen claims where it and similar operations are said to be still taking place even today. The two countries most involved from what I know was america and the uk with more than a few nazis thrown in, while the USSR was also included if you so feel please substanciate the Russian involvement.

There are still nazis to this day in Germany, Russia, America and other countries and it seems a small but growing movement and their activities are largely unknown.

Obviously from my posts I do not support the nazis.

I do not think your post should be banned or corrected if thats your opinion that's your opinion.

I am not for the banning of posts.

Nor am I here to suffocate what you believe, merely putting forward a different idea that may get you to think about it differently of course your opinion may remain firm and that's your choice.

I am not seeking conflict, nor do I believe I am insulting you if you think I have then I apologize it was not my intention. If differences of opinion were sorted by not resorting to f*** this, that and the other it would be better, I am sure you will agree.

If I am wrong about the Russian involvement with Nazis, etc, that's okay I am always willing to learn.

Yes you are right that a lot goes on that We don't know about however I find the russians and the germans strange bed fellows, however anything is possible.

The hidden hand {Ed033's Note - When I said they were working together at the highest level, I wasn't meaning at the presidential level. I was speaking at a higher level than that. The secret government/black projects level. The Nazis and Soviets weren't working together at the presidential level. I'm talking about a higher secret level that isn't recognised by the main stream media. Black projects, project camelot video - www.youtube.com/watch?v=woMtIHwRL2w

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Tell us more about Ron Paul and Alex Jones. {Ed033's Note - My take on Ron Paul is that sometimes he votes the opposite way to what you would think but he or his staff may miss stuff and not understand everything in these bills he votes on. Also if he doesn't vote the way they want him to, he won't receive certain payments because Senators allegedly receive payments when they vote the "right" way.

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Don't forget the Nazi's and the Russians worked together in 1939 to carve up Poland between them. Also as a % of population the Poles lost more people than anyone in the war.

German and Russian co-operation stretches back to the 1920's when the Soviet Union was an international pariah (in todays terms a rogue state) and Germany was banned from doing any military development under the terms of the Versailles treaty. The Germans got around this by simply going to the Soviet Union and testing out equipment there in return for Russian secrecy, a share o the results and some cash.

By 1945 with the Nazi's collapsing both American and Soviet intelligence were scouring Germany looking for scientists and intell officers to ship back home to either Washington or Moscow. Many of the worst culprits of the holocaust escaped justice becuase of their usefulness to the space program. The American Saturn V rocket was basically just a bigger version of the V2. The designer of both? Werner von Braun. The space suit technology? Came from pressure tests conducted at Auschwtz and other death camps. And thats just what i know from the American side. The Russians benefitted just as much.

Yes we know the Russians hd the largest numerical loss of manpower in the war, but since when did any Russian ruler care about the ordinary Russian? The Czars didn't nor did Stalin. And most Russian losses were down to Soviet stupidity like not ordering retreats when they could have pulled back and saved the lives of their troops. Or in suicidal frontal charges onto entrenched positions with only one man in two carrying a rifle and then machine gunning the ones who retreated.

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Now the EU is the rogue state (with the franco-german alliance re-established) and europe is heading into a fiscal nightmare and all in europe are watching from the sidelines.

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From my take on these posts there is no one disputing that germany and russia worked together before 1945 however operation paperclip is at the centre of the post and this did not commence till 1945 so your post is irrelevant in this sense as much of your commentry pre dates 1945.

How could a country that lost approx 20% of its population work with the country responsible for those loses immediately after the war?

Its seems unlikely to even consider such a proposal. Some countries are not run by the illuminati Russia, North Korea and China are three examples there are others.

War ended 1945 operation paperclip started 1945

The soviet Union had an isolationist policy after the war remember the Iron Curtain.

And as russia is 1.8 times the size of america the loss of 30M people would have a significant impact on protecting its borders.

And that impact is still being seen today many peple from neighbouring coutries are settling in Russia as it cannot protect its borders from immigration.

Stalin was mad and did not care about anyone that a given, Likewise the tzars.

As for the Russians not backing down that only shows you fail to understand the people of russia, their history is the most bloody of any country they don't back down, whehter you consider that suicidal or not, Some may consider it brave?

Wars, revolutions and a harsh life for millions has made the russians very dexterious and tough people.

Training for the Russian Special forces can kil a man, that would seem suicidal too however russia is a one off type of country vast, harsh and unpredictable.

Always bet on Red (Liverpool Red)

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You seem to forget that before the war Stalin starved to death, shot or transported to the gulags another 20-30 million people. These were catastrophic losses and seriously weakened the country before the war leading to the poor performance of 1941-42 which lead to the 30 million war casulaties. That and Stalin's own casual indiffernce to the sufferigs of his comrades at the front line.

I don't think any is suggesting that Germany and Russia worked directly together, but it is a definite fact that many German scientists, technicians and over boffins found there way to the Soviet Union in 1945. The reason? the Russians wanted their knowledge to bridge the tecnology gap with the Americans. The leadership wouldn't have been bothered abput using captured nazi's and the ordinary people would never know.

Also not sure what immigration has to do with anything as no country can protect their borders from immigration, and a lot of Russians have moved abroad in search of money and opportunity.

Also i may be wrong but didn't the Soviets undertake a breeding push in the 50's to try and make back the losses suffered in the Great Patriotic War.

I agree with what the other guy said on the Americans being more technical and the Russians more practical. As the joke goes the yanks spent millions on developing a pen that could write in space, the ink wouldn't freeze, would work in zero g etc, the russians just took a pencil.

But there is a reason a lot of people don't trust the Russians, they grew up in the cold war, my parents for example were teenagers during the missle crisis, that tends to affect peoples thinking.

Also do you consider it brave to pull a load of peasants off cattle trucks, hand 1 man a rifle 1 man the ammo clip and chuck them straight into a fight to take a prepared defensive position? i call it stupid and suicide and so did many Russians. Also machine gunning your own troops when they fall back from the slaughter? Words don't cover it. I don't deny that the Russians are brave. But giving no retreat orders and just leaving men to be killed when you could have gotten them out to fight another day? is that bravery? In Russia you just give ground, conserve troops and wait for winter that how they beat Napolean, and thats what Zhukov advised Stalin, only he didnt want to listen and just threw mens lives away.

The training for any special forces in the world can kill a man. people have died of hypothermia and exposure in the brecon beacons after all.

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Dear Mystery Poster

You seem to forget that before the war Stalin starved to death, shot or transported to the gulags another 20-30 million people. These were catastrophic losses and seriously weakened the country before the war leading to the poor performance of 1941-42 which lead to the 30 million war casulaties. That and Stalin's own casual indiffernce to the sufferigs of his comrades at the front line.


Yes the above is true but deaths of 20-30M are a bit exaggerated.




I don't think any is suggesting that Germany and Russia worked directly together, but it is a definite fact that many German scientists, technicians and over boffins found there way to the Soviet Union in 1945. The reason? the Russians wanted their knowledge to bridge the tecnology gap with the Americans. The leadership wouldn't have been bothered abput using captured nazi's and the ordinary people would never know.


Again this is probably true



Also not sure what immigration has to do with anything as no country can protect their borders from immigration, and a lot of Russians have moved abroad in search of money and opportunity.


Again this is true

But a country the size of Russia needs a big population, Russia is having problems sustaining itself due to lack of russians
France had this problem and went on a baby boom some years back to correect the problem, italy now faces this problem of shrinking population albeit not from wars.


The chinese are illegally entering Russia and setting up home and because the country is so big Russia can do nothing, its borders are too vast.



Also i may be wrong but didn't the Soviets undertake a breeding push in the 50's to try and make back the losses suffered in the Great Patriotic War.

I don't think it was successful and in the last 5 years putin has paid women to have babies providing more financial support to families again it has not met with great success.



I agree with what the other guy said on the Americans being more technical and the Russians more practical. As the joke goes the yanks spent millions on developing a pen that could write in space, the ink wouldn't freeze, would work in zero g etc, the russians just took a pencil.

But there is a reason a lot of people don't trust the Russians, they grew up in the cold war, my parents for example were teenagers during the missle crisis, that tends to affect peoples thinking.



I agree with the above statement when I was a child I was frightened by the missles constantly seen on B&W tv in red square.

When on holiday two years ago in Bulgaria I was watching russian TV and was frieighten by the show of military might on the Russian TV channel in the hotel.



Also do you consider it brave to pull a load of peasants off cattle trucks, hand 1 man a rifle 1 man the ammo clip and chuck them straight into a fight to take a prepared defensive position? i call it stupid and suicide and so did many Russians.


I again agree with you, however it also takes a large amount of bravery, something the russians are not short of.

Also machine gunning your own troops when they fall back from the slaughter? Words don't cover it. I don't deny that the Russians are brave. But giving no retreat orders and just leaving men to be killed when you could have gotten them out to fight another day? is that bravery?


Would not say bravery but it does show they don't like to back down whatever the cost.


In Russia you just give ground, conserve troops and wait for winter that how they beat Napolean, and thats what Zhukov advised Stalin, only he didnt want to listen and just threw mens lives away.

Too true the country is unforgiving its very difficult to attack the Russians the terrain and the weather will work against those mad enough to attack.


The training for any special forces in the world can kill a man. people have died of hypothermia and exposure in the brecon beacons after all.


The training of the russian special forces is much more daunting than bad weather. They swim in rivers of blood and eat things that would turn most peoples stomach (even bear the intrepid explorer would say no). Also the physicalities of the training would not be allowed in other armies, it would be deemed too much.

Now now of this addresses the nub/heart/crux of the problem which was operation paperclip

Paperclip started in 1945

The war ended in 1945

And while there would have russians, germans, amercians, etc. trading places with each other at this time, Russia was not involved in any joint operation with these countries at that time and nothing has ever come out of these ventures because there were none.

Youtube videos are insufficient proof to support the claim russia, america and Nazis worked toether on or after 1945


Russia is not illuminati controlled the illuminati infuence Russia indirectly by interfering with its currency or denying them access to organizations etc. however there is no level above the president of Russia.

I am not a russian and I have suffered the indignity of their embassy on a few occasions however that does not mean I have too belittle them or insult them I find the russians a strange mix of many different things. Yes they have done stupid things and yes they are not the most popular people on earth. However they are not as black as the west paints them and america is much more of a danger to us than the russians however we don't belive that we have been conditioned to think otherwise.

Always bet on Red (liverpool red)

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Mystery poster here.

Some good points there. Paperclip was just the name given to the American operation. The Russians probably called their's something else. I'm not saying that they and the Americans co-operated just that both of them went around snatching as many German scientists as possible. Both countries space programmes were built on research undertaken in places like Peenemunde and Auschwitz. I'm not saying that America and Russia co-operated though.

Estimates on the number of deaths from the purges and the famine vary, the figures i've seen for the famine alone vary from 4-12 million. In the purge alone a 1000 people a day were being shot. Hundreds of thousands were transported, many died on route many died in the camps.

I agree that the Russians have been portrayed as the enemy, but the reverse would be true in Russia.

What do you base your statement on that the Illuminati do not control Russia?

After all they are supposed to have invented Communism.

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Q. What do you base your statement on that the Illuminati do not control Russia?


Because the FSB (old KGB) regulary report to Putin the activities of the Illuminati.

Putin received a large amount of criticism in the Russian press for the economic downturn of 2008 many russians lost their jobs the same of course happend in other countries, however no other country but Russia pointed the finger at America and the powers that be that run america from behind the scenes.

Putin does not like being unpopular, he is an egotist, the same could proably be said for many a powerful man.

See the pictures of putin riding his horse barechested in the forrests of Russia, or the pictures of him with the Siberian tiger cubs or the amur leopard. He has a multi billion dollar contract with I think Sachi and Sachi in America to improve his and the image of Russia.

The russian press have mentioned the illuminati as the cause of the ecomonic downturn (although putin did not mention the illuminati by name). What other country pointed the finger at America?

Now everyone into conspiracies knows the American Administration are the main channel for the deeds of the illuminati.

Putin banned Non Government Orgsanizations (NGO's) as George Soros the man who undermines countries for the illuminati and who has been responsible for revolutions was in Russia a while back on the ground masterminding a new revolution for Russia.

The illuminati see Russia as the biggest obstacle to their goals. Russia supplies China and India with much of their military hardware. These are the two fastest growing economies in the world with huge populations and the illuminati don't want russia's sphere of influence to increase in these regions.

They want to weaken Russia's influence in the world as russia acts with the opposing influence to america.

Putin rules Russia with an Iron Fist and nothing could go on in Russia without him knowing, the illuminati are alien to putin and he supports countries world wide that stand up to america, for example north Korea, Iran, etc.

While one of his close allies is hugo chavez a man who has had many a run-in with America.


Russia like China holds billions of Dollars in reserve they are the two biggest holders of maerican dollars and there's nothing either country can do with their dollars they can spend it or it would weaken America and the dollar even further, infact Russia and China want to replace the dollar. the dollar is no longer linked to the gold standard and the dollar is just worthless paper that America keeps printing.

For putin to be in league with the illuminati would be like Kenny to be in league in Alex.

However you are right in that the illuminati started off in communism and then spread to capitalism and now it has a socialist agenda.

America and the west are being destroyed from the socialist agenda, look at the fallout from obama's socialist reforms and Europe draws nearer to the Abyss each day.


Always bet on Red (Liverpool Red)

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Ok thanks for the reply.

I know socialism doesn't work, it failed in russia, 50 years of it have brought europe to the abyss, and look at labours track record here. but then capitalism has screwed up as well.

so what does work?

and if Putin was such a pain, why not take steps to remove him? could always scapegoat the chechens. {Ed033's Note - What may work is mike montagne's mathematically perfected economy - perfecteconomy.com/wp/

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So what does work? (in economic terms?)

I don't know but Ed033 has an interesting option, but economies based on never ending growth such as America and the rest of the west cannot be sustained due to the earth's finite resources, more and more people are starting to understand this.


Without being Racist in any way if you subtract the population of the west (America, europe, Canada, Australia, the swiss etc.) and subtract them from the world's 6 billion inhabitants who aspire to live like Americans its now becoming more obvious that they simply can't as the world does not have the resources to sustain 6 Billion people living the american dream so where are we heading long term since the global economy is interlinked?

And america is only in the position its in due to the way its run the world, this is chaning and soon its economic might will have waned substancially. This is why the illuminati want a new america it believes to restore American Mililtary and economic might that America and the world will have to be re-built, this is their ultimate goal.

Although the west may struggle on for some time yet seeking growth!


If Putin was such a pain, why not take steps to remove him? could always scapegoat the chechens.

Its impossible to get near putin, it rumoured that the forrest that surrounds the area where putin spends most off his time has many paths. On any given day only one path (which changes) does not bring death.

Plus Russia has a vast array of bombs. So any country thinking of a pre-emptive strike would be foolhardy.

They have the biggest non nuclear bomb in the world.

Putin has already told the west he is not afraid to use it.

What can the illuminati use on Russia, it can't use the HARRP Russia invented it and has the original. It can't use a nuclear bomb Russia has more than Nato.

It seems that Russia will be the bug bear to America and the illuminati for as long as it wishes. While America will keep doing things to Russia that can't be classified as acts of war such as denying them into certain organizations or making them wait many years before entry as long as they remain the economic power.

Its pretty much stalement one can never truly better the other, without dire consequences.

Although both do stupid things to annoy the other.

The day Russia sides with America is the day the Russians will have come under illuminati control and that will be a very sad day in my opinion and one I would not like to see.

Russia provides a counter balance to America and that is not a bad thing IMO, I would not like to envisage a world where america acts unopposed.

There is of course much about Russia I do not like and yes it has many problems but then what country doesn't.

Always bet on red (Liverpool Red) {Ed033's Note - Watch this simple math 8 part video on youtube and you will realise what they have realised - www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY

In the mean time we require usury to be stopped and move towards Mike Montagne's mathematically perfected economy. We also require super cheap energy production in our own homes using Tesla technology or at least John Bedini magnetic motor technology.}

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Agree with the economic thing.

regards Putin no one is untouchable, agreed it would take massive effort, but it could be done. Although there seems to be less of it. Not counting Nickolai II i think the last successful assassination was his grandfather wasn't it?

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07 Oct 2011 10:35:55
Why no eviction tonight it's good fun?

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Where are the persons for the cerebal jousting?

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Do you mean cerebral?

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Cerebal/cerebral same thing

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Cerbal....Cerb'R'al

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