Conspiracy Talk Archive May 09 2013

 

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09 May 2013 22:47:22
With all talk about UKIP and government, it has got me thinking. Would a country survive without government?

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No mate, we need a government type of structure or it would cause chaos so we have to make do with this shower of nobs, if I had my way if a political group promised certain things in a election and don't do as they promise then the head honchos of any group should be took to task and get jailed for lies, that way the public would know exactly what they are proposing and secondly it would make these greedy politicians who choose this path to then get a cushy job earning millions like the war criminal tony blair. {Ed001's Note - I am not sure we do need a central government, not really. Without one, there would be no one to fight wars against or with for starters.}

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So do you mean regionalized parties looking after your region? {Ed001's Note - no, you don't need an organised government at all. What do they do? Civilizations existed without them, it was people trying to gather power to themselves that created governments to take charge.}

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Ed, would a country be better off with localised government over centralised? Franky what difference do the lies make as they keep promises to the people that they are double speaking to and that is not the general public? {Ed001's Note - it just allows decisions to be made to help the local population, though it is not perfect, just an improvement as it lowers the amount of power any one person can have. Difficult to start a war when you only have a couple of people following you!}

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Interesting debate mate that I will continue tomorrow as I am knackered, catch u soon edd {Ed001's Note - night franky take care mate.}

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Ed wouldn't you agree that this could be a double edged sword. Imagine if one leader wanted more territory and assembled an army to attack another close by, leading to a potential civil war. History shows us that power and greed run side by side and the wrong type of people end up in control. {Ed001's Note - if you have no government, then there is no outright leaders to assemble armies.}

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I think we need a government however we should outlaw political parties therefore everybody is an independent, each region of the country should be able to submit bills according to how many people live in that region with a minimum number per region being put before the independent parliament, I know there would be problems with this system such as unofficial allegiances however stiff penalties for any MP engaging in this may help, also the nation would vote for the cabinet PM, Chancellor & etc.
You could have a rule that you can only stand once to be an MP and once your four years is up no more
Just an idea however I doubt it would stop corruption but would certainly make things more interesting! Jonty

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Even it may sound like I am contradicting myself about my views on government , I still think we still need some type of figure head, even if you go back in time there has been elders who people look up to and as a species humans on the whole need to be led. {Ed001's Note - possibly we do, there are certainly some things that can benefit from centralised leadership, such as education. But there is nothing to stop the powers of a leader figure being limited to certain areas. The problem is, as history has shown us, Rome being a great example, that when someone is given a taste of power, very few do anything other than look for more of it. They tried to limit terms of power and to only give dictatorship to a leader in extremis, it worked a few times, but then it led to someone seizing the power and keeping it. That is why decentralising power could be better, it reduces the opportunities for someone to grasp it all, though it does present its own problems, many of them. I am not sure there is a perfect solution, just like democracy is a terrible form of government, but then any other that has been tried has been worse!}

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You're right there is no perfect solution and power and greed is the biggest attraction to being a leader, the main gripe I think everyone has with politicians is lies and spin and the language they use, I will use the great bill shankly quote "We're professionals at Liverpool, we believe in simplicity. I wouldn't go on television or use words in newspapers that only a few people understand. Some people use words knowing full well that maybe only 10% of the viewers or readers know what they mean. We don't. We speak the language of the people, the language that everybody understands. Instead of me saying that somebody was avaricious, I would say they were bloody greedy".
So to me if you promise something in any manifesto and completely do a u turn then you should be made to live like the poorest people in the country, I know both our views are pie in the sky, out of the two I think your view is more realistic if there was a major catastrophe mine would be like Turkeys Voting for Christmas, never going to happen.

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Government. Govern (control) ment (mente : Latin for mind).
Control of the mind basically.

We need to start afresh however I think too much damage has been done by the government for us to survive with out some sort order if you know what I mean.

Maybe a shift in conciousness or a DEVINE intervention would do the trick.

Good subject!

Geordie Al

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Franky
I have just moved back to Durham where it’s all scandal about how much public money they waste and to quote you “Turkeys voting for Christmas” Labour swept to victory once again despite nobody having a good word to say about how the council in run, which is why I would abolish political parties to stop blind voting because your parents voted for the same. Jonty

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I think a shake up is needed in this country and to create a new party which is a proper people's party. As my name suggests obviously I am totally against Tories and Lib Dems are just puppets but I am also against Labour as all 3 are spineless and have truth issues. I would bring home all British companies which have outsourced to foreign countries with tax breaks and increase tax on foreign companies. Also I would break away from both the EU and create our own currency eliminating the central bank in this country. I know that this would get me killed like JFK.

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I think we all agree the political system is a corrupt scam and the amount of times they have all been caught with their pants down like cash for questions, fiddling expenses, pedohilla etc you name it they have done it and they all apologize and the uk public are to thick to demand a change, I think we are all smart enough to realize that it will never happen unless something major happens like the tsar in russia or something cataclysmic.

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Franky due to the Internet I don't think any uprising could ever occur in this country without a total communications blackout, so that only leaves a natural disaster to hit the entire British Isles. The best chance would be the Las Palma mega tsunami as it would destroy most of southern England and of course London itself with both the houses of parliaments being destroyed.

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There are pro and cons of the internet for instance I have no doubt sites like this are being monitored but at the same time like minded posters are sharing info and our own way spreading the message which would never happen 20 years ago, I was thinking about what else that could bring this cartel than runs this planet down apart from a disaster or a uprising then I thought of one of these experts on technology who had files (a bit like watergate but much much bigger)and broadcasts it worldwide in every language, sort of bypassing the controlled media which is not impossible, imagine the scene your watching sky or fox news and suddenly you get a video of bush and blair saying yeah let's blow up the towers and get that oil, but more importantly find out who the real players are in the cartel, we can only dream.

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09 May 2013 15:40:03
A good clip from the film Punishment Park 1971

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF_WR7SiC0A

Geordie Al

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1971 wow the producer was way ahead of his time, another good movie is battle in seattle.

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I noticed how genocide was mentioned but in fact democide is more fitting.

Interesting fact I just typed democide on my iPad and it was not in it's vocabulary, try it if you have one.

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What is Democide Scouse Pride?

Protesters topping themselves or sum1 commiting suicide for a cause? They are pure guesses, no doubt both will be way off the mark. Suppose the second 1 would fall under "suicide bomber" as they have a cause.

Geordie Al

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No Al, it is what our press call war but it is really when innocent people are killed by governments. I bet America has more kills of innocent people than any other government and I am including China, Cambodia, Germany, USSR & Zimbabwe in that list.

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Cheers Scouse Pride. I agree with you that America would kill more than any1. However, i'd like to compare theirs with North Korea (starvation and whatever else, Poor sods).

Geordie Al

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09 May 2013 15:30:14
Not the usaul kind of conspiracy but it is worth mentioning.
They are trying to outlaw saving your own seed (cue the jokes) in Europe! The vote was on Monday and due to public outcry some concessions have been made for hobbiest gardeners, etc, to still save seeds. A clause has been included that allows Europe to reverse these concessions at any stage without a vote. If we don't continue to voice our concerns we could lose our seed varieties and in turn reduce much needed biodiversity. This has implications for the environment and human health. This is a desperate situation with far-reaching implications. I'll put a link at the end for info about this and also a petition link if it's allowed to be posted. I find this very intriguing as one of the devastating effects of the Iraqi war was the destruction of the Iraqi seed bank. This collection of seeds went back millenia but was totally destroyed and now Iraqi farmers depend on the likes of Monsanto each year. Paul Bremer actually passes into law that the Iraqis could only use seeds from companies like Monsanto. The Iraqi government had at one stage placed a collection of their seeds in Syria at Aleppo, for protection, but these may have also been destroyed in that conflict. As I said it's not the usual type of post but if anyone decides to do some research you will see the importance of this.

http://open-seeds.org/bad-seed-law/

http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/We_dont_accept_this_Let_us_keep_our_seeds_EU

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Just signed it, this is serious if this is allowed to happen, the consequences are not going to affect us but our generations down the line, I have just put this petition on my twitter account and will do so on my fb as well.

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Cheers Franky,

I've been looking at the whole seed destruction for a while now and felt this needed to be posted. Mustn't have signed in right as my name never came up at the end of it.

Captain Needa

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People assume to get the population down to 500 million it will be a thermonuclear bomb in my opinion it will be something like this where they could put anything in any seed and cause a pandemic, trying to regulate what mother nature has produced for millions of years has to get you suspicious.

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Exactly Franky, the easiest way to control the people will be through the growth of food and/or access to it. I really believe people have no idea how much laws like this will affect people. While people are rightly concerned about fluoride, chem trails, etc, laws that control the very source of food are being passed without an outcry. As I said above a little research will show how the US incorporated laws like this into the new constitutions of Iraq and Afghanistan, after both their stocks were destroyed.

Captain Needa

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