Conspiracy Talk Archive November 09 2011

 

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09 Nov 2011 20:14:17
Just read a very interesting article about Iran wanting to trade oil with India in a currency other than dollars or euros. As I mentioned yesterday in a response to someone's question about gaddafi, he was trying to create an African wide currency to trade oil to the west with. Look what happened to him. Saddam too, he was trying to make the west pay for their oil in euros. Look what happened to him.
How long before Iran are invaded on some false pretence?

JQuan.

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This is the petro dollar conspiracy then? Basically usa will bully anyone wanting to deal in anything other than the dollar as it will bankrupt them (if their already not) as they cant keep banking on printing dollars to keep themselves afloat
stuart

{Ed033's Note - I have said this before that maybe Russia and or China are pretending to back Iran and Syria and NATO maybe doing a deal with the Chinese / Russians to give them the green light to start on Iran or Syria.}

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Same idea as Hussein and Gadaffi had. It didn't go all that well.

Len

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09 Nov 2011 19:24:54
hey guys with all the technology we have today,tvs ,laptops, mobiles,microwaves,etc etc and all the dangers connected with the appliances like tumors/mobiles,tvs/sublime messages ,would everyone go back to the time were there everything was fresh and it was just the radio and newspapers to get any news?
frankyscouse

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09 Nov 2011 19:03:06
the loch ness monster is true

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09 Nov 2011 17:40:59
How about this one.
God created the devil because without the fear of the devil god has no value.
Similarly, So called super villians of our world {gaddafis, ladens,etc} are or were created by super heroes/super power.
Even the deadly diseases , viruses are created by people who are supposed to make cures.
and of course its obvious who makes the computer virus, right?
U.P.

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Until God or the Devil come down and share a bottle of whiskey with me i really cany agree with you mate as there is no proof they exist plus the fact that religion was created by man kind of screws with the idea of them being real...but i kinda agree with your other comments

MJ

MJ

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Regarding religion in general.
Sikh, islam, buddism, christianity, judism et al...there are many beliefs and religions in the world and all of them can't be correct therefore if not one can be right then none of them can be right and therefore no religion no god {Ed033's Note - wow, "not one can be right then none of them can be right and therefore no religion no god", that is some kind of logic. That's a bit like saying. The big bang theory is nonsense, therefore there are no planets, therefore the Earth doesn't exist, therefore i can't be writing this text.}

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Thought you didn't believe in the big bang ed?
stuart {Ed033's Note - I don't, I was just using it as a possible amusing example.}

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So if the big bang theory is not true ed how are you writing your replies lol
stuart {Ed033's Note - I asked dynamo the magian how to write the replies.}

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EVERY religion out there takes story's/exerts from ancient Sumeria and their cuneiform texts telling their story of creation and so on. Doesn't mean that's the true story either, but it is the oldest documentation from an advanced civilisation about our being and origin.
I agree that all modern religions are a sham, and simply used to enforce fear, gain cash and further their own political/religious agenda.
Personally, I find the ancient Sumerian texts more interesting, plus there's no invisible being that there is 100% no proof of in there ever being in the Sumerian texts. It's also more thought provoking and sheds s some light on how advanced these ancient people were.

Peace

Jay

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Ed your responses are truly class mate.
huddz red {Ed033's Note - Oh thanks.}

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09 Nov 2011 17:27:17
There's been a fair bit of talk about David Icke being a weirdo and people seem to struggle that Lizard aliens can/do exist, there are over one billion planets 1000s if not millions of years older than our own so why could they not exist as an advanced race...Your opinions are all welcome

Thanks Guys

MJ

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It was me who asked about icke I was more concerned with his claims on The Isle of Whyte and the Free masons
However I have to say some of his earlier rants do appear to have been miss interpreted but I really don't think there is aliens living among us

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With space being infinite it's obvious to me that there must be many different types of "life" on many different planets. However that doesn't mean that they have ever visited our planet in fact I would suggest it's highly unlikely. Let's face it they would have to be so technologically advanced to be able to achieve that sort of space travel that you would think they would be a little less coy, wouldn't you?

Chris in Tamworth

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Chris lets say you were an alien from a very advanced planet would you come to earth and share your advancements with us we are a race of war mongers and murderers, our sole nature is kill or be killed it would be like giving a loaded machine gun with the safety off to a 4 year old...That is just my opinion though and i Do see where your coming from

MJ

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Not saying Space Lizards from Ceti Alpha V do or don't exist, its just that you can't really prove that they do or don't. have they visited us? Possibly. But as Chris for Tamworth says they'd have to have some immense technology so why be so shy?

As for Icke well its just a convenient stick to bash the bloke with. Unfortunately for him its the one thing poeple associate with him. Mention his name and people will straight away go ah lizards. Its like Elton John and big glasses, its the one thing people associate with him.

And to be fair back in the 80's, with no internet, less access to proof, with the media/ govt being able to surpress things more easily and people just seeming less interested compared to now then he was always going to get ridiculed. Maybe it was a strange one to come out with, maybe he tought he needed to start with a bang.

Mort.

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To answer this question, in a slightly rhetorical way: if the reason we, & all life exists on earth is due to the distance we are from the sun, among other factors (water etc...). The sun is simply a star, now how many stars can be seen with the naked eye? Each one of those stars could have lumps of rock (planets) at a similar distance orbiting them as the Earth is from the sun, and therefore all stars could have life giving planets orbiting them. So.. if the universe is infinite, then there must be infinite variants of life upon them, some maybe vastly ahead of us & some in their infancy, So a life form of intelligent Lizard / reptilian ls more than possible, the idea that David Ickes `shape shifting` lizard - humans, here on Earth, with an ulterior motive is in my opinion, a bit illogical (I do however think Icke talks a LOT of sense), the lizard thing, Im not to sure on that one - sorry.

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The thing is though Chris that perhaps they are that technologically and mentally advanced that they would know that the best way for us to accept contact would be slowly,if you know what i mean!!Agree with what you were saying though!!
PmacC

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I was on his site yesterday and read something about thiis "moon matrix" theory, where the moon is actually a spaceship populated by aliens controlling the world. Whilst he does talk a lot of sense on other issues, this sort of stuff is just so out there, you can see why people think he's nuts!

JQuan.

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There has to be some other intelligent life out there, With the vastness of the universe, you'd have to be very small minded to not think that it's at least a possibilty.
The topic of how advanced their tech would need to be.
We couldn't even begin to imagine what their tech could be like ( If they are millions of years ahead of us - could be the other way around theoretically )
Look at it this way, one hundred years ago, the concept of the Internet would have been ridiculed, same could be said for most of our modern tech, wether it be 100, 200 etc... years old. So it gives you an idea of how far advanced the tech could be if they were so many thousands/millions of years ahead of us.
We don't even know what the next 10 years will bring, never mind millions. So I for one wouldn't speculate about how advanced or what the tech could be like, because the only thing we have a very small insight to is the small amount of REAL UFO footage that's been seen. And that tech looks pretty decent.

Anyway, sorry to go on and on, I just can't see how we could be the only intelligent ( if we even deserve that merit ) life in the whole vastness of the universe.

Peace

Jay

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The lizard stuff is just to keep him safe when he talks about the real stuff. The world is being sold right now and you're still chasing your tails with this lizard stuff. I'm gonna tell my mutated grandkids about it one day if my human overlords allow me.

Len

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09 Nov 2011 15:27:18
What do people think about sentences...You know
you're given 6 years but everyone knows you'll just
do the 3 (or whatever) what is the point of the original sentence?? It can only be so that the powers that be think we will say - ah 6 years - that's good - and then not notice that that will not be the time served

Puzzled {Ed033's Note - Only a small percentage of the population in their natural comfortable state will actually commit crimes so if you lock up all of the criminals then there is no excuse for the control grid that is being set up. The ruling class have to keep criminals out of prison for crime to take place, which gives the excuse to bring in the total control grid in slowly over time.}

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Ok but come on Ed033 is EVERYTHING a conspiracy ? {Ed033's Note - No, but how do you explain they have cameras everywhere and the government agencies know everything about everyone. All mobile phones have tracking devices in them. Films you see show the level of technology government agencies have but still crime doesn't go down?

The answer is obvious, the ruling class have to have lots of crime, to bring in the total control grid over a period of time.}

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Argee with ed033 , but also to keep one prisoneer inside each week costs a huge sum of money , this would explain too why they dont just build more prisions , but then again if the poor were treated better there would be less crime , and more fair -pay for the common -man , i mean why should the royals or govement own so much land , why cant people who live work pay taxes not be able to get a peice of land to call their own , its our country , the elite have it all stacked up in their favour, sorry, thought it was the new rant-page for a moment there lol............lfc {Ed033's Note - Exactly, the people should own the land and the natural resources.}

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"films you see show the level if technology government agencies have".
Really?!?! I reckon you think Mel Gibsons Conspiracy Theory is a documentary.
As a previous poster said you do think everything us a conspiracy don't you

Chris in Tamworth {Ed033's Note - I noticed, Chris that you couldn't explain why crime doesn't go down.}

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I think Ed33 makes a lot of sense.

Do we really need all these cameras? Do they have an effect?

Once they get their control system would crime then drop?

Mort {Ed033's Note - Their wet dream is where they have for instance a chip inside everyone which will control each individual. If you checkout the Georgia Guide Stones, you will see their other wet dream is also to reduce the human population to 500 million. By the way, i don't think their wet dreams will come into reality.}

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Crime rates always rise in direct relation to the amount of freedoms stripped from the public. Man is a free beast meant to roam without constraint and rule and the more these rights are infringed upon the more man strays from his natural state, Thusly commiting acts that a sane functioning creature would not.

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Surly your answering your own question? Why does crime not go down with more and more cameras? Maybe because there is more detection due to the cameras? Logic.
{Ed033's Note - Where is the logic in that. Surely if there is more detection due to the ca,eras, crime would go down.}

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No.... more crime is being detected as there are more cameras to detect the crime therefore crime rates will not go down.....logic. {Ed033's Note - I don't get what you're saying.}

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OK, You asked earlier in the post why crime rates are not falling if there are so many cameras. This is because more crime is being recorded as more is being identified by the cameras etc.
So not necessarily more crime, but more crime being recorded.... make sense?
{Ed033's Note - Yes I get you now. My original point included cameras but was not about cameras though. My point is that they want crime otherwise they can't bring in their control grid.}

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09 Nov 2011 13:09:18
thanks ed 33 for anthony peake interview link on deja vu topic. we could really living in the gruondhog day.
May be it's too much to ask but by any chance you can provide the free download link of his book "is there life after death"
would be a great read
U.P. {Ed033's Note - I don't know of any free download link of his book. If you want to read the book for free, you can go into your local library and ask them to find a copy of the book for you.}

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09 Nov 2011 09:52:33
Dose anyone think we are heading for another huge war and the report of the IAEA on Iran is going to be the trigger?

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I think there is more chance of that if Iran isn't dealt with BEFORE they master
the business of nuclear weapons AND the
facility to deliver them...but in view of the
name of this site I will add....but perhaps that is what we are being led to believe !

Puzzled

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The only thing(s) stopping us from intervening are Russia and China, we would be in Iran already if it was not for them.

JWalk

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Isreal seem he'll bent on attacking Iran.I think if they do we will all be dragged in and all hell will break loose.isreal know the us will back them and the us know we will back them.and I do believe it won't be long until isreal strike as their president told the news today "the time is getting closer"

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I also think these leaked IAEA reports may be a product of isreal and used as justification to attack Iran.

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I like the way the first reply says "if Iran isn't dealt with" it just goes to show Americas propaganda has worked perfectly, people still see the grand old USA as the white knights coming to kick ass and save the world. They've funded the IRA and Afghan rebels during the 80's but now feel the need to rid the world of these groups.
Its only a matter of time before Fox News (the Neo-Conservative's very own news channel) stir up a frenzy in the States, something along the lines of 'Iran has nuclear missiles aimed at America' hopefully not as many people fall for this lie as last time. I imagine the old Cold War anti Russia stories will rear their ugly head again.
If Israel do attack Iran backed by America/NATO (whatever you wish to call them) that will probably be the spark that ignites the whole world, because then comes Russia maybe China too.
We should all hope nothing of the sort happens, people are starting to wake up seen by the protests, a war would take us back to square one again giving even more power back to the governments.

always a red

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First off, i don;t like anyone having nuclear weapons.

However i can't see Russia, China or America deciding to hand them over anytime soon.

But states like Iran shouldn't have them at all. Ahmedinejad is a very odd character. You only have to look at him and see that odd glint in the eye. The man is definitely a few cards short of a hand. imagine if he had a nuke then did go nuts? Cos he certainly would use it.

Is it just me or does anyone else that it would be seriously bad for Iran to have nuclear weapons? Its not just the Israeli's that are worried but also others like the Saudi's although the Israeli's do have the most to worry about.

Mort

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I think iran are protecting themselves against a country that has a bit of history of invading or bombing other nations, as for looking like a odd character castro looked odd bk in the day.
frankyscouse

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