25 Aug 2015 18:35:05
Lots of videos on YouTube about September 23 2015 being a very bad day.
Religious groups saying about the false Jesus coming with the illuminati being at the root of it. Other people saying a complete financial meltdown. Would there be any link between religious and financial people having the same date.

{Ed033's Note - no, but in the past, when anyone gives an exact date, they've almost always been incorrect and what was predicted to happen on the exact date never happened. That is the most likely thing that will happen on 23 September 2015, nothing religious taking place and no financial meltdown.

 
25 Aug 2015 19:38:30
Was of the same opinion to be honest ed33 just seems people jump on the bandwagon.
As you said when a date is given it's never happened, from Nostradamus to 2012

{Ed033's Note - If instead they said that historically, financial crashes have taken place around October time so it's possible that around October 2015 there might be a financial crash, then that would be fair enough.

The fake jesus /anti-christ thing is some prophesy somebody made up sometime ago and certain religious groups need the false prophet saviour who turns out to be the anti-christ, to be here on Earth, so that some huge end of the world type disaster can occur, so that the 2nd coming of the real jesus can occur and for the real jesus to defeat the anti-christ, so a golden age can occur.

 
25 Aug 2015 21:14:08
Totally agree edd I'll be interested to see what the next date for said events will be when this date passes with nothing major happening

{Ed033's Note - Someone will make up a 2016 date soon enough.

 
26 Aug 2015 01:06:46
I'd assume once these dates become public and people start talking about something happening, if it was planned, it wouldn't be hard to simply change the date of the planned event.

First I heard of September having significance, was when I met up with a friend, a few months ago, who is extremely spiritual. Not religious. She said in September of this year, a third if the worlds population will be ascending into the fifth dimension. Can't say I put heaps of value into the suggestion, but you never know, I guess.

 
26 Aug 2015 01:39:08
Ive looked into this quite a lot recently, watching endless videos about the subject. I have to say the amount of pre-programming in TV shows, films, adverts is quite uncanny. Also a leading billderberger saying we have 500 days to avoid climate chaos, and the date ending on 23 september. Also the pope going to the usa that day for the first time ever, amongst many many other strange coincidences pointing to that date. Also a video channel on youtube under the name "Renee M" is a christian channel where she claims to have deciphered when the "rapture" will happen and it points to that week. Her evidence is actually quite compelling. Now I don't normally buy into these End Of World scenarios, but the more I have looked into this date, the more I believe something is going to happen. It seem far to much evidence points to 23 Sept 2015, for something not to happen. Another point which may or may not be important, is a dream I have had in the past month. It is of not being able to control my rage, and it affecting everyone around me, and everyone just fighting and attacking each other. It was actually very vivid which is unusual for my dreams, and it was as if something took over me and I had no control over my mind or body. Now obviously this could just be my subconcious, putting all this information together in this dream, but it didn't feel like a typical dream, and was so vivid and has stuck in my mind since that I thought I would mention it.

 
26 Aug 2015 06:19:56
I'd say there's a much more evidence to suggest nothing will happen Jase. The fact this is the billionth (exaggerated statistic) time, the end of the world has been predicted, and each time videos have been created showing "compelling" evidence to back up the claims, says to me its extremely unlikely.

And I'd struggle to put any value in the thoughts of a Christian, who is somehow the first person in history, to successfully decipher the rapture, and yet isn't well known or successful enough to have a greater platform than Youtube. Granted you can reach a lot of people, but only once something goes viral, and the ramblings of a Christian about the end of the world seems like something most people would skip over.

I would think your dream would have very little to do with anything as well mate. Most likely due to the time you've spent thinking about the topic, and your subconscious has brought everything to the fore, when you've reached REM sleep.

I'd love to hear Zari's thoughts of this ascending theory, as I know he is quite in tune spiritually.

 
26 Aug 2015 12:42:11
I apologize for how rash and abrupt this will read, but I wrote a much longer version which got lost with the accidental hit of the backspace key. I would be happy to expand on these if anyone wants me to.

The date mentioned is the date of the autumnal equinox. This is a yearly phenomenon, as there are two equinoxes and two solstices each year, and I am not aware of any major alignments or any major changes in the celestial background that would place any particular significance to this one.
Additionally, as I choose light over shade, I celebrate the spring equinox and summer solstice over their counterparts. I use the term shade as the sun is always shinning. Our planet just keeps turning which places us in the shade for a few hours a day.

On the matter of "ascension" which as far as I currently perceive is simply the application of the phenomenon of electron ionization to a larger scale, to which it does not apply as such. Electron ionization is the process by which an electron absorbs available energy from its environment, using it to jump to a higher orbit. If and when that happens said electron emits a photon.
This has been likened to the halo attributed to saints in religious paintings and a theory has been developed which suggests the transformation of carbon 12 (6 protons, 6 neutrons, 6 electrons), the fundamental structure in all carbon based organisms, to a non-existent but unstable carbon 7. This would satisfy the requirements for the absorption of energy and photon emission but fails to account for the disharmony it expresses, as nature evidently operates through balance and perpetuity.

I subscribe to the theory of conscious cocreation, whereby our minds are transceivers permanently existing in a quantum state and thus employing quantum potential to project the inwardly to the outwardly. In simpler words we create with our thoughts and as such should pay attention to where we shift and apply our focus.
The point where we move towards the shortest day and longest night of the year is not something we should be focusing on, especially with any ominous expectations.

{Ed001's Note - next time try Ctrl Z and it might come back.}

 
27 Aug 2015 01:27:04
Sorry to disagree zari, as normally all your points are very rational and I can get on board with. However this particular topic, is of some interest to me and I don't think you have done the research to validate your argument. Equinoxes and planetary alignments have no consequence to this theory, the only astronomical event to take into the equation is the four blood moons, which is mentioned throughout the Bible and as far as I am aware the Quran. These events are falling on the Jewish festival of Tabernacle and is relevant in the Jewish and Christian "rapture" prophesy. Again I am not saying I am sure anything will happen on the 23rd of next month. However, out of all the "end of days" stories we have heard throughout the last 20 years, this one seems to have something behind it. If you have more information on this "event" or date then please share. Thanks Jase

{Ed033's Note - What we do know for sure is that this September, the world's population will not be ascending into the fifth dimension.

The "rapture", seems to be different with different religions but it appears to be associated with an end of the world scenario. i can safely say that this September won't be the end of the world and no "rapture" will take place.

We know that if an elite group really believes that an event must occur to satisfy or a prophesy they believe in, then they'll create an event. Do they believe that they have to create an event around 23 September 2015. i think it highly unlikely.

If something does happen in September isn't it down to chance if it's a natural event, where natural events do happen every year, so it's possible that a natural event could by chance take place in September 2015.

 
27 Aug 2015 02:32:59
Also zari, why do you celebrate the equinoxs? With all due respect, I thought Sun worship, and astrological worship (saturn etc. ) is primarily an elitist thesis? I don't claim to know much about this subject, but I know enough to understand that this "Saturnalia" and "Sun Worship" along with worship of the "Stars" is an "elite" viewpoint dating back millenia. Now obviously just because its elitist it doesn't mean it has no basis, but I find it curious that you hold the same beliefs as many you claim to hate? Please don't take this as an attack BTW as I only want to learn of your viewpoints on this subject.

 
27 Aug 2015 04:02:49
Im really not sure on this one Ed, thanks for your input BTW, as many have said before on this site, I am not a coincidence theorist, and if something does happen next month then it will definitely be no coincidence to what has been predicted. I have a very strange feeling about this date, after everything I have looked into regarding this, and also things I have noticed myself since then, such as the sheer amount of "Apocalypse" propaganda being spread is crazy.

I could probably name 20 TV shows, Films, or Songs that fit into this genre from the past 5 years (more so recently, I have also noticed) Also to completely disregard religious texts is very naive in my opinion, they have as much validity as any piece of work written by so called modern day "philosophers" or "wise men" so to speak. If you truly believe that these elitists are bringing in an "apocalypse" to follow prophecy etc. then surely you can believe that the Bible, that predicted a lot of things that are happening now, (Mark of the beast, increase in earthquakes and extreme weather, and information being transmitted "to and fro" with ease- all predictions from the Bible regarding the "End Times", must have some validity, as also many other predictions from the Bible have also come true (some even to the exact date- regarding the messiahs birth date)

{Ed033's Note - The following is a catch22 for them. i've said before that around the year 2000 plus or minus 5 years there was a sophistication upgrade for everyone on planet Earth to some degree regardless of age. The cause of this is unknown but it adds an extra problem for the 'elite'.

Most people did nothing with this upgrade ('main-stream-ites') and kept watching mainstream media and playing computer games, which kept them dumbed down and no problem as yet for the 'elite'.

A small group have become more logical, more inquisitive as to what is going on and have used the www to become knowledgable, which is a problem for the elite so the elite have to throw as much dis-info at this group as possible to confuse them into believing things that are true that are not and vice versa. So even though this group wants to be logical, it's difficult to get there.

Another small group have become illogical, new age types and believe in such things as; Messiahs returning, an apocalypse, divine end times scenario, or at any point the whole human race can move into a higher dimension or a divine rapture type scenario could happen at any time. Or that all the 'good' people are going to be taken to a magical realm and all the bad people will be sent to hell or something similar. This group also poses no problem as yet for the 'elite'.

If you think about it, if nothing happens in September, it's possible that a load of the new age types might 'wake up' and move over towards the logical group, which would not suit the elite. But if the elite do try something magical/fantastic in September, then they risk 'waking up' a load of the 'main-stream-ites'.

Most likely, nothing will happen in September and then let's hope some of the illogical, new age types at least try and become logical types.

 
27 Aug 2015 19:11:47
Hey Jase, I'm glad for your questions as discussion is necessary for one to refine their theories and supporting arguments. I'll cover the part of me having a few common believes with the masons in another post, as I feel it would only cause me to deviate from the current subject.

The reason I place an emphasis on the equinoxes and solstices is the macrocosm-microcosm relationship, I often repeat. Although this is two-way relationship, a necessity for the cocreation theory, my attempt to order everything in relation to their energies resulted in the following chain. Thus from most energetic to least they would be: the universe, major galaxies, our galaxy, major star complexes (constellations), our star, major planets, our planet, our natural satellites.
If we accept this "hierarchy" based on energy/scale as valid then one can see that the phases of the moon, although important, are not as important as the sun-earth relationship and the cycles stemming from it.

In regards to the artificiality and nonsensical nature of the calendars we are conditioned to structure our lives around, you have identified something very relevant. Islamic and Judaic calendars had, in the case of the former, a lunar calendar running in parallel with a solar one. As I have already hinted above, I do not disregard the importance of the moon in regards to the universal flow of energy and its effects on our planets and our resonant frequencies.
However one has to take into account what the primary function of the moon is i.e. water cycle regulation. The moon dictates the tides and the ebbs (ebb is from googles translation).

What follows might be a stretch for some but, water as an element is correlated to emotions. It's counter element, fire/plasma/light is correlated to will/logic/logos. Even though we know we should be in tune with our emotions they should not be our only compass, for one can be elated with the tides but swept with the ebbs. That is why the structure I mention albeit taking the phases of our satellite into account, places it in what I perceive to be its proper position.

 
28 Aug 2015 22:46:13
Thanks for your responses Ed033 and Zari, you both make interesting points. ED, I don't think "Illogical" is the term to describe a number of articles I have read or videos I have watched. They seemed very rational, well thought through, aware of other "alternative views", but just had religious overtones. Thanks again.

{Ed033's Note - Being religious is not necessary equal to being illogical. You can be illogical and not religious. All i'm saying is that anyone who thinks that on a particular date in the near future, all or some of the human population are going to move into the fifth dimension or the "rapture" is going to happen is illogical and not going to happen.

 
28 Aug 2015 23:44:47
I agree it is more than likely illogical, and I have been myself battling with religion my whole life, being brought up as a christian, and this is something that I too scoffed at the thought of at first. However after watching the presentations, I have to say this is one of three things.

1. Sept 23rd is going to be a date of significance, whether it be FEMA, Start of WW3, Global Stock Market crash etc. and maybe as you said, they are using biblical prophesy to bring in their "NWO", or something else ( A fake rapture/ abduction by aliens has also been discussed).

2. A real life Christian/Jewish rapture, certainly the least likely in all probability.

3. The day/week will pass and nothing happens, and this was just another fear-mongering tactic, all created by the elite-ists, to keep people distracted from other issues going on. (Probably the most likely)
The reason I say "created by the elite-ists" is because of as I said in my above post, the amount of pre-programming propaganda relating to this date, is quite significant, even coming from the lips of a leading E.U. representative for climate change (I think he was) stating we have 500 hundred days to avoid "climate chaos", ending on Sept 23rd. Strange choice of words, considering he didn't elaborate on what he meant.

{Ed033's Note - With 1. A stock market crash is possible because it can be caused to crash by a false flag event such as we saw on 9/11.
The start of WW3 could be any day they like with only a small event happening, because in theory the start of WWI was apparently an assassination.
Forget about the Aliens bit, no aliens are going to do anything.

2. There won't be any real rapture

3. yes, nothing is most likely

 
29 Aug 2015 13:08:29
Yes the editor is right. Religious people do not have the monopoly on illogicality. Look at the new religion of politics. Just as many failed philosophers and promises of new dawns.