29 Jun 2016 09:57:39
i really hope I am wrong about this and I am overthinking it, but as the civil war in the PLP steps up, I have a gut feeling that any measures to get corbyn to step down will be used and I mean any measures .

bribing won't work or he would have been bought off a long time ago,

threatening is not working or he would have stood down this week.

that leaves either rigging the members vote, which is a possibility even thou his membership is even higher than it was .

or the last resort he will have an accident or worse .

people might think franky has lost the plot but this moment in time is as huge as it gets.

if corbyn gets in power again you will see new rules for members to get shut of the career politicians which is going to be massive.

like kim mentioned I can see a split of the lab party, its gone to far either way to heal and its reported that corbyn is going to go for blair once chilcot is public and hence I think the plp have made their move.

as you may know there is murmurs about the eu being let in thru the backdoor, which will split the tory party and its voters, also blairites mps who have resigned are all behind this if it is proposed, corbyn has gone on record that the vote should be democratically upheld .

one thing to note, people may think I see corbyn in rose tinted classes, honestly it was never about corbyn, personally he is not a great talker when he reads his notes on PMQs even thou he has got better, it was never about him getting elected in two or 3 years time, it was is happening now, some might call it splitting the party I see it as reshaping it, and that is why I have this uneasy feeling in the next weeks or months during the election if it goes ahead.

like I said I hope I am overthinking this .

 
29 Jun 2016 10:44:09
Corbyn isn't a bad person. He's been badly advised by Seamus Milne, like at the shadow cabinet meeting where Milne's trying to get a photo op and Corbyn says its a bad idea.

The issue is, prior to the referendum, the labour looked more like a protest group than an actual opposition. But how much of that is down to Corbyn not having full control of the party. Largely due to the rebels.

If it comes to a leadership election Corbyn will stand. He will take most of membership in regards to the activists. The key questions is 1. Will the unions continue to support him. 2. Who do the Blairites rally around.

I think Corbyn will take most of the union vote too. I don't see a standout Blairite candidate. Instead it could be 2-3 of them competing which strengthens Corbyn.

Corbyn should therefore win any leadership contest. He then has to take more effective control of the PLP. If they won't back him this time after a second successful leadership election he has to push Cameron for a general election and deselect the disloyal mp's. But that then creates a labour party dominated by one section rather than a wider spectrum.

Could the Blairites form their own party? Possible.

For what its worth I disagree with a lot of Corbyns policies. I think his brand of socialism is unworkable and should be consigned to the past.

However the people deserve a genuine choice at the ballot box rather than the same choice wearing different coloured ties.

 
29 Jun 2016 11:13:56
I think Franky they might try and get rid of Corbin by any means, just like they did with John Smith. The future is in everyone's hands and if we don't come together it could be a bleak future for the younger generation who have been brainwashed by their phones and tablets.

 
29 Jun 2016 11:28:56
It would have to appear natural causes, stress related to have any chance. Any other way it would look like it is.

 
29 Jun 2016 11:53:10
i think there will be only one challenger but like you said there is no stand out contenders,

funny enough the guy who went up against him last time would be the only one who could realistically put up a good fight (andy burnham )
especially after his stock rose over Hillsborough and also he was never the main culprits behind the coo, no doubt he disagrees with corbyn on certain policies, he in my eyes would have been his toughest opponent, but he got my respect by not resigning and kept out of it.

angela eagle is touted to be the challenger but judging by her own constituents she has no chance, they all publicly backed corbyn.

 
29 Jun 2016 12:08:25
Burnham kept out of it because he needs union support for this metro mayor in Liverpool he's positioning himself for. He's figuring its better for him to not be the Blairite candidate for that. Burnham thinks of Burnham. He knows he has slim chance of the leadership and he knows how the coupists have been viewed.

I think we'll see a few sound out the rest of party but drop out for lack of support. The problem for this coup is they've acted without having a figurehead.

Tom Watson is playing the quiet game. Very Richard III waiting for power to be "thrust" upon him.

Eagle has zero chance. Burnham has discussed. Chuka Umunna may try, personally I don't rate him. I still think the best candidate on that side is Yvette Cooper but she's largely kept quiet.

 
29 Jun 2016 12:49:43
Corbyn has already been sent a warning . The shadowy figures controlling Blair will stop at nothing.

 
29 Jun 2016 12:53:27
Are any of the candidates mentioned for pro Leave or are they all Remain?

 
29 Jun 2016 13:06:30
Even Cameron, during PM questions, said to Corbyn along the lines of, 'for god sakes, go.'

 
29 Jun 2016 13:22:55
i would have a better chance than chuka, burnham yes knows the city of liverpool are pro corbyn and you are right he is stuck .
watson was a feller who I voted for last year to be Deputy Leader and I had high hopes for him after his role in the pedo mps scandal,
but he went silent once his own colleges and every other party scolded him .

he is nothing more than a sheep, as for cooper
she voted for the iraq war
she abstained over cuts to the poor
and not forgetting her husband edd balls part of the blair inner circle, she will never get elected .

 
29 Jun 2016 13:14:21
Corbyn and the whole Labour Party has stabbed people in the back, but people still think they are good. Corbyn did not want to risk his retirement fund, 40 years against EU but aligned with 'Remain'.

My mum till last year was a labour supporter never voted anything else now she will not touch them. I know at least 30 people who want nothing to do with labour, don't matter who is the head puppet.

Leaving EU is best for Britain in long run and for the British people. Who did labour back? Why can Nigel Farage speak out, but Corbyn can't. Because he has his own interest at heart, not the people.

And I forgot to mention Kahn with his first action to get posters of attractive women banned from London.

 
29 Jun 2016 14:26:32
Many don't trust Khan at all.

 
29 Jun 2016 14:46:58
Cameron was playing party politics. Corbyn can't step down now after being told to by a tory. It suits Cameron to have labour infighting.

Electing Khan was a mistake.

 
29 Jun 2016 14:59:46
definately Kim, I didn't vote for him, looks shifty all round.

 
29 Jun 2016 15:51:42
He is deffently shifty not one doubt about it and happily stands on stage with people he knows have a agenda
And was the first to cry and try push for London to become
Independent
Funny the Labour Party like people in the party that hate the uk
Look at millibands dad can't stand uk
And I see chukka beaming a massive smile when Obama opened his mouth
I think only Clinton was listing no one else lol.

 
29 Jun 2016 16:03:44
Franky the issue for the Blairites is finding one who didn't vote for the Iraq war. Its like trying to find a virgin in a maternity ward.

 
29 Jun 2016 16:23:44
Lol liked that one kim.

 
29 Jun 2016 16:45:56
kim very true, all of them are going to look clueless when the chilcot report happens .

southampton maybe you should read a bit of history before you tar corbyn and the small minority in the lab party for stabbing people in the back.

80 per cent of the party are establishment shills thou.

 
29 Jun 2016 17:04:56
Exactly frankie
Break the rot switch parties to something not liked
Make the shills lose faith momentum and backing
Then turn back to a different party under the same name
If we keep giving the same shills as you say power
We are just making there adgenda gain momentum and ultimately unstoppable
Don't for get the ones pulling the strings have got this far throwing labels at people who care about our country and speak out to silence us
Until brexit happend and they realised that didn't work
So are now hopeing people start labelling the party with media help to sway voters.

 
29 Jun 2016 19:02:28
The Labour Party is pretty much a terrorist organisation nowadays and is the worst of the bunch and at the fore in trying to destroy this country. The torys ain't much better and forget lib dems a complete nothing party. There will never be a party that can deliver to the majority and have the best interest of this country at heart. I think someone mentioned that MPs are servants but because of the money involved in been in politics it has become a breeding ground for greed and the servants are getting paid more than the people they are supposed to serve! How is that ever going to be good for anyone. And here's the thing that will be the death of the Labour Party and its the London mayor Khan and the Labour Party is infested from top to bottom with people just like him! Now labour has always relied on the working class. Can you tell me how many of the so called safe labour voters are going to vote for a party full of khans. Not a dig but an obvious fact I'm pointing out. Labour is dead and there seriously needs to be a viable alternative to the torys.

 
30 Jun 2016 00:21:23
sangol the establishment is a terrorist group, always have been always will be until things change .

 
29 Jun 2016 22:27:44
Yes straight up sanogo.

 
30 Jun 2016 08:06:27
Interesting piece (of sorts) in London's City AM paper, and probably online as well, titled - 'Forget disintegration: The EU hardcore is on track for a United States of Europe'

I still believe this ideology will sink beneath the waves, never to return.