27 Nov 2016 01:33:35
what are ed033 and fellow posters thoughts about fidel castro? the man the cia could not kill, hero or villain or is he a bit of both? look forward to reading your opinions.

{Ed033's Note - 13 Horrifying Ideas America Had For Invading Cuba


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27 Nov 2016 03:14:32
To me Fidel Castor is the last unless corbyn can take the reins in a peaceful revolution I can't see the future. We are owned barred a Bastille. We need leaders.


 
27 Nov 2016 11:05:03
Castro was a tyrant and a dictator who oppressed a country and killed and tortured many of his own countrymen.

People praise him because Cuba has a good health system and because he cocked a snook at the Americans. But Cuba has the worst human rights record in the western hemisphere. As a country Cuba was kept afloat by the Soviet Union.

Corbyn isn't a leader. He's painfully out of his depth. He's a protester. Protesting and leading are two differs things.


 
27 Nov 2016 12:18:48
i seen a tweet by marco rubio (who was favorite to be the next president ) he wrote similar to kim's thoughts that castro was a tyrant that murdered his own people and make he did I make no bones about that, in a perfect world everything would be done peacefully but we don't, castro prob murdered innocent people always thinking that they could be part of the coup to murder him, if you are the wests number 1 target from the 50s till the 90s then I do not care who you are, you will get paranoid and do terrible things .

around the time they tried to assassinate castro the americans were giving syphilis that killed 400 alone in 1972 .

the test started in in 1932 and only stopped because of a whistle blower .

what I am trying to say is everyone pointing the finger at castro have blood on their hands, and these imperial tyrants countries that have invaded country after country butchering their own people as well as innocent civilians are all hypocrites .

as for corbyn (not going to go on because you know how I feel about him ) he is a million miles from castro, he is trying to do the peaceful revolution and for all the people who have ridiculed his time in power should remember they have been wrong every time ( I will save the rest of my thoughts for my podcast )

not started it yet, not had the time, will get it done by xmas.

so for me castro was a strong leader who defended his country.


 
27 Nov 2016 13:43:00
If someone like Nigel Farage came out and defended Mussolini as a strong leader who defended his country and got the trains running on time, what would the reaction rightly be?

So what's the difference with Castro. Every leader has blood on their hands. Every leader does good and bad. But Castro is divisive. He's only popular because of anti Americanism.

Franky Corbyn talks sense sometimes. But he's a weak leader. He's a hypocrite. He's demanding loyalty from backbenchers when he voted against his own party leaders 500 times from the backbenches. Not once or twice or 10 times on important things like Iraq. But 500 times. How can he lead a party he consistently rebelled against.

He's a protester but organising protests isn't opposition. He has a lot of work to do to convince me he can win.


 
27 Nov 2016 15:38:14
kim the only real difference between castro and other leaders is, his crimes are well known and broadcasted .

how many times do you hear about our allies crimes?

churchill? never on maninstream news
french crimes in Algeria in the 1950s, 60s? etc
Belgium in the Congo Genocide?
general pinochet chile?

i could go on but you catch my drift,

i am going to steer away from my corbyn thoughts for the podcast but one thing to call him weak is strange considering no opposistion leader has never been attacked on this scale from day1 from the media to other parties including his own, the last thing I would call him is weak .

 

{Ed001's Note - you are forgetting Churchill's orders in what was then Indo-China (now Vietnam) immediately after the second world war finished too. He had the Vichy French and Japanese forces re-armed and a British army division airlifted in, along with artillery, naval and air support, to brutally, and I do mean brutally, suppress a rebellion by the natives. Men, women and children were killed indiscriminately


 
27 Nov 2016 21:18:10
The world is better off without him Franky. Just because you believe other leaders have received less scrutiny for their crimes doesn't alter the fact that he murdered a lot of innocent Cubans.


 
27 Nov 2016 22:26:31
Id call him weak because he is weak. He's been anti EU all his career then in the run up to the referendum he was barely noncommittal at best. A few attacks in the media doesn't prove he's strong.

As I said all leaders have committed crimes. Check out what your country got upto in Greece and Italy in 1945.


 
27 Nov 2016 22:34:29
interesting opinions thanks for responding.

 

{Ed033's Note - he was both a russian agent and a US agent


 
28 Nov 2016 17:18:08
rian mandella killed inocent people, I am just playing devils advocate, the world was supposedly been better off without saddam hussein and muammar gaddafi but that is not working too well, like it or not we need necessary evils in this world .


 
28 Nov 2016 21:21:48
I believe you have a soft spot for Castro and his buddy Che Guevara. I would personally have tortured that c&*% Guevara for days. Castro was a despot who held an entire country to ransom. He did some nice stuff with healthcare, but I have met many cubans, and not one of them have anything good to say about Castro. Talk to Cubans Franky. And listen to their stories about how many of their relatives have disappeared. He was a tyrant and a murderer. He will be missed by you, and the president of my country, and a few other deluded fools.

 

{Ed001's Note - how many of those Cubans were living in Cuba under Castro? You do realise what Cuba was like before Castro right? A playground for the rich, while the vast majority of the country were living in extreme poverty. Oh and people were disappearing then too. He was a dictator, a not nice dictator, but he was no worse than any other world leader. In some respects better, in others worse, but certainly not as bad as you are making out.}


 
28 Nov 2016 22:07:17
as edd001 points out its not a black and white case, I have mentioned both prob murdered and jailed many, as for soft spot I would rather you use the word admire in respects to how they stood up against powerful forces .


 
28 Nov 2016 22:30:52
There is nothing probable about the murders committed by Che and Fidel. They were murderous lunatics. You need to see them for what they were.


 
28 Nov 2016 23:53:23
rian, do you feel the same way about nelson mandella?


 
29 Nov 2016 09:00:00
No.

Franky it is interesting that you are willing to adopt the MSM view on Nelson Mandela, but see Fidel Castro and Che Guevara through rose tinted glasses.


 
29 Nov 2016 12:31:59
the only difference is mandella got caught a lot earlier than Che or he would have killed many more people.

mate rose tinted glasses applies to people who think similar crimes only applies to certain people, they are just as bad.
what mandella did was no different to what Che did, one is lauded and one is a murderer of innocent people.