29 Jul 2018 21:01:13
Hi Guys,

Haven't been on here in a while but some great reading to be done it seems, as always.

Currently interested in the dark side of the moon theories and Mars was visited by us many years back, can anyone shed any light on some good material to read or watch.

As always keep up the great work guys.

1.) 30 Jul 2018
30 Jul 2018 09:10:57
What are you specifically interested in, regarding the "dark side of the Moon"?

Mars is very interesting, they recently discovered a liquid water lake under 20km of Ice on the south pole, which is a huge breakthrough as liquid water enhances the chances of life. They have already started drafting up plans for an ice penetrating mission to Mars, to see if we can find anything, which is fantastic news.

I very much doubt we visited Mars many years ago though, when you look at how we constructed buildings and means of transport, we've only recently in the last 200 years, started using Metal on a mass scale. For the 12,000 years previous it was wood and stone, we could not have got to space, let alone Mars using stone and wood.
And if you were talking about more recently, then I guess it's possible, but the Astronauts would have severe muscular and bone deficiencies, from spending so much time in Zero Gravity, and we'd know a hell of a lot more about Mars than we do ^_^.

2.) 31 Jul 2018
30 Jul 2018 21:50:50
hsf - I read somewhere that the dark side of the moon has some secrets to tell. the moon hasn't been explored fully?

3.) 31 Jul 2018
30 Jul 2018 22:41:51
Drafting up plans for an ice penetrating mission to Mars? Really? Who is doing that? What century do they plan to do it? Shouldn’t they try going to the moon first? I think penetrating ice is the least of their problems.

4.) 31 Jul 2018
31 Jul 2018 09:36:32
Rian, it will likely be done by NASA and ESA (European Space Agency) as a collaboration, much like the new James Webb telescope that's replacing Hubble, set for launch on 30 March 2021. They have had a plan to do the same thing on Europa, which was originally planned for mid 2020s (an unrealistic target to say the least) .
And what do you mean we should go to the Moon first? And why is penetrating the ice the least of their worries?

lew99, we haven't physically explored it no. However we have mapped the entire Moon using satellites.
Additionally, there is no "dark side" of the Moon, it's just we only see one face of the Moon because it's tidal locked.

5.) 31 Jul 2018
31 Jul 2018 11:20:30
If we've mapped the moon using satellites then surely we have photos of all the moon landing craft?

Of course hsf, you're coming from the perspective that you believe NASA are honest decent guys, and I believe the opposite.

If we get an unmanned mission to Mars again, let's collect one or two of those insects from the surface before we start trying to drill through 20km of ice.

But yes, we should try to put a human on the moon first. It's a lot closer.

{Ed033's Note - Good points Rian, NASA lies about everything so who knows what the truth is?

6.) 31 Jul 2018
31 Jul 2018 11:30:40
What about black tech hsf? We only know what they want us to know. What about the theories of us being more technologically advanced in the past. Not having a go more interested on peoples thoughts.

{Ed033's Note - Correct p1, Someone on Earth was more technologically advanced in the past than the mainstream says and the mainstream can't recognise black technology, but without question it exists. They had to use black tech on 9/11 to turn the towers to dust, otherwise Manhattan may have flooded if the 'Bathtub' cracked.

7.) 01 Aug 2018
01 Aug 2018 00:40:06
Rian, if you used a telescope to look at something really small would you see it? The answer is no, it would just be a monumental blur. For that you need a microscope, not a telescope designed for viewing the moon from orbit.
We have been to the Moon already, don't be so silly.


And are you talking about the missing pixels and the dust particles on the camera lense?

p1 and Ed033. Black tech seems to just be an appeal to ignorance fallacy and sounds like that typical religious view point, "Science can't prove it, therefore God". You need to show me some conclusive evidence in order to convince me, as I've never come across anything that proves it. I'm not dismissing the idea, as secret technologies have always been around (Greek Fire for example), but I need proof.

p1, Ancient civilisations being more advanced than we are? Not a chance in my view, there is no evidence for mass manufacturing with metals, plastics or polymers, which would be essential for things like electricity, which is essential for power and the progression of technology. Plus medicine has never been better than it is today, when you consider the ancient Egyptians (pioneers of the time) were diagnosing things like Dysentery as an having too much blood, prescribing a bloodletting as a remedy, then you kind of get the picture.

Another way to gauge it, is to look at the Tribes of the African plaines, or the tribes of the Amazon, 12,000 years ago, that was us.
It's likely that some are more advanced than we initially believed though. A few examples: Sumer (4500BC), knew that there were 8 planets in the solar system + Pluto and they knew that they revolved around the Sun, not around us. They also developed a written language over night almost.

Gobekli Tepei (between 10,500BC and 8000BC), it was believed that a sophisticated society was almost impossible back then, as we were hunter-gatherers which weren't capable of creating megalithic structures, then they discovered Gobekli Tepei and dated it to around 12,000 years old. 7,000 years older than Stone Henge and 50 times larger.

{Ed033's Note - There's loads of evidense/proof for black tech and previous civilisations being more advanced than the mainstream says. A lot of it has been pointed to on this site over the years.

You believe and repeat the mainstream version but if there was any substance to the mainstream version we'd all believe the mainstream version. Those of us using our own minds require proof from the mainstream, but all we get is spin and lies.

8.) 01 Aug 2018
01 Aug 2018 12:40:50
hsf, I never said anything about telescopes or microscopes. What are you on about? You claim 'However we have mapped the entire Moon using satellites'. Maybe you think this mapping process wasn't very good.

But you did give us a link to a video of someone climbing down a ladder in a so called spacesuit, and in fairness you also cleared up the mystery of the meaning of the acronym ESA.

Trust NASA. They never lied.

Neither did Richard Nixon. Ever.

9.) 01 Aug 2018
01 Aug 2018 14:24:20
Ok Rian, Moon landing. As Neil deGrasse Tyson says, show me your best piece of evidence and tell me what it will take for you to be proven wrong.

10.) 01 Aug 2018
01 Aug 2018 18:13:02
Hsf can't think of the structure but its all different sizes including massive boulders to small intricate pieces which interlock perfectly together. I don't we could do this today with the technology we currently know about. Let alone with the primitive tools you would like me to believe were used.

Also have you watched the video about wireless electricity below. How where the ever so long tiny tunnels in the pyramids done. Black tech no evidence you say how long was the stealth bomber secret and unknown of. Was it made untraceable by chance? I doubt it. doesn't have to be alien tech to be black tech. Black tech is tech much further advanced than what the general public are aware of.

If you don't think it exists i don't know what to tell you as i'm pretty sure most people would agree there is black tech.

{Ed033's Note - There are a number of examples of building earthquake proof stone structures that can last for thousands of years.
One example is Sacsayhuaman:

11.) 01 Aug 2018
01 Aug 2018 19:27:43
Thats the one ed thanks. Suppose they where intricately shaped with a stone axe among other primitive tools as the narrative would like us to believe.

{Ed033's Note - Exactly, who had the technology to either shape or melt rocks so they fit perfectly together.

12.) 02 Aug 2018
02 Aug 2018 02:12:01
Of course they have some hidden technologies, I guess I'm reading into the words "black tech" wrongly and assuming you're talking about teleporters, black hole bombs, cloaking fields etc. You know, things that are edging on breaking the laws of physics, or just flat out ignoring them. I guess that comes from my dislike for Alex Jones. So I am happy to be corrected on that front, unless you are actually referring to teleporters etc.

Regarding Sacsayhuaman, it is fascinating how they built such complex structures. However, contrary to your comment about their primitive tools, you'll find they were actually using metal tools.
I would also imagine that they're able to melt Granite (1260°C melting point) and Limestone (825°C melting point), as they were forging Bronze (950°C melting point) and Copper (1085°C melting point), they were also very good with mathematics, so it doesn't seem so farfetched to think they built these things without modern day technology or better. It was likely just a forgotten technique, as they didn't have a sophisticated enough writting system, in order to keep a record of it. It's actually argued that they didn't have a writting system at all.

{Ed033's Note - Hsf seems to be agreeing that the builders were more advanced then the mainstream says.

13.) 02 Aug 2018
02 Aug 2018 11:16:25
Wonder why we can't do that now?

14.) 02 Aug 2018
02 Aug 2018 11:56:13
The only person talking about teleporters is you hsf.

p1 said 'Black tech is tech much further advanced than what the general public are aware of'.

And remember if it's not in Wikipedia it can't be true.

15.) 02 Aug 2018
02 Aug 2018 12:34:29
How so Ed? I've not agreed with anything you've said. All I've said is that they used metal tools and that if they were able to forge Bronze and Copper, then they can melt Granit and Limestone.
That has nothing to do with disagreeing with the mainstream.

Everything I mentioned in the above post was mainstream views, so tell me. Where did I agree that they were more advanced than the mainstream says? In fact, my 2nd link is to the University of St. Andrews - a government funded page.

Nice try Ed, but I think now that you've try to spin my words, I'm done. Cya.

{Ed033's Note - An overreaction hsf, more like you know we can come up with more examples the mainstream never explains and you'll have to admit the mainstream are full of spin and lies.

16.) 02 Aug 2018
02 Aug 2018 12:52:17
To be honest if a cataclysmic event were to happen today if you think about it. its not hard to lose the tech we have. Can you make a phone or a tv? Or the components required. Therefore its not hard the lose the tech especially if notes diagrams and explanations are lost.

And because info is kept more and more on computers instead of paper backed research it wouldn't be hard to loose the information we already know then the skills and techniques would be lost too.

17.) 02 Aug 2018
02 Aug 2018 12:54:52
Also i believe the large stone formations are pre inca and the more primitive stone work is of the inca era. Sure that's what I've seen a documentary about.

{Ed033's Note - Sounds correct p1.

18.) 02 Aug 2018
02 Aug 2018 19:19:26
I watched a video on YouTube of a guy attempting to do his own Stonehenge with nothing but counterweights and literally a pebble. Fascinating.
But I agree with ed, I reckon with the earth being so old that there probably has been older civilisations that have come and gone and have had superior tech.

{Ed033's Note - I've seen ths guy, but i tthink he'd have trouble replicating the Great Pyramid of Giza.

19.) 02 Aug 2018
02 Aug 2018 19:25:33
Just to add about drilling 20km on mars, the record for drilling on earth is about 13km so that really would be some achievement.

20.) 02 Aug 2018
02 Aug 2018 21:16:49
So hsf, can we melt stones rocks or boulders today, we cant.

21.) 04 Aug 2018
04 Aug 2018 00:33:32
Space mabey the final frontier
But made in Hollywood basement
They don't go space they go in circles high up in our atmosphere
Also when they send satellites up lol
They build companions to take a pic
Trade center was bin laden
And pigs fly.

22.) 08 Aug 2018
08 Aug 2018 22:49:09
hsf there is mounting evidence in relation to civilizations being a lot more advanced than previously thought. The MSM spouts the usual about the Inca building Cuzco, Sacsayhuamám and other megalithic sites in Peru / Bolivia, etc. However, even the earliest Spanish chronicles say the Incas told them they did not build these. The Inca say a race of "giants" preceeded them and created much of what exists today.

Our perception of humanities time has been founded on the Victorian explorers/ scientists who in turn projected their Christian outlook on history. Even still today vast citadels are being discovered in remote parts of the Amazon Jungle that do not fit any acceptable timeline.

You said yourself that Sumeria created a language overnight, which is far from true if you research it. It suited the MSM to explain it away as such.20 years ago we were assured no evolved civilization existed before Sumeria, just herders and nomads. Gobekli Tepe has disproved that lie. I am sure Gunung Padang and others like it will help push history further back too.

When mankind breaks free from the yoke of Religion we will finally know the truth of our worth and the legacy our ancestors left behind. I appreciate u have your own beliefs but when it comes to talking about past civilizations at least do the research. Sorry for the tome Ed been a long long time since I posted.

{Ed033's Note - welcome back, good reply.