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18 Aug 2017 13:06:50
HSF,

Sure mate, the reason I believe nasa pump us out guff is because they admit themselves that all the pics are cgi.

Every pic we have of Hubble in orbit is a cgi image imo, unless u think they have a camera satellite taking all these pics of it orienting is.
We are meant to believe we have this huge metal thing in space that never breaks, can survive the extreme conditions, manages to stay clear of all the other satellites and space debris floating out there.
It all seems a fairytale to me.

The galelao satellite got all the way to Jupiter and managed to line up the perfect shot of it and we are again given proof by a picture. where are these amazing camera satellites we build to go the 100's of thousand of miles along with these other billion dollar satellites to take these pics.

As for the moon landings they couldn't of been more fake imo. We are meant to believe there was a huge space race between Russia and America and once America made it Russia just stopped? Come on lol. Logic would tell you even if they deemed it unimportant at that time after they would of gone back there at some point.

We are told about the Van Allen radiation belts that no human can pass through yet it seems America's idea of 'just going really fast' through them negated thousands of miles of severe radiation. Sorry I don't buy that.

Obviously I'm no astrophysicist, but we have to take the word on faith of people that themselves have never been to the place they tell us the answers to?

The question really is, if after 500 years of telling you, you were nothing but a result of coincidence and they finally got an instrument of flight to prove it to you and they found they were wrong would they tell you?


1.) 18 Aug 2017 14:49:55
Sorry to make this a new thread I thought I replied to my previous.

I don't wanna clog up this page with my ramblings lol.

{Ed033's Note - i made it a new thread as i thought it contained a new topic.


2.) 18 Aug 2017 15:11:51
Nasa themselves tell u in the little print on there website
That there cgi
Look at the billionaires in there on private space expedition attempts space x elon musk, virgin galactic Branson.
Don't seem to be going anywhere
Not heard about Bob Bigelow and his Aerospace venture.

And the navy I mean nasa lol and other government connected agencies are the only ones that can do it.!
There's is a reason for this money and propaganda in my opinion.
I don't doubt they can fire things into space but I don't believe they control anything from earth.
Pre programmed at best even then to do this on earth we have to map the planet to do so.
How would u pre program some you don't know about.
And a lot does say they advance tech or it's lies.


3.) 18 Aug 2017 15:14:04
Nasa in Hebrew
Means deceive.


4.) 18 Aug 2017 18:27:19
People get this misconception on what CGI means when NASA are referring to it. The abbreviation is "Computer Generated Image" and given that most telescopes these days are "digital" telescopes, all images will be computer generated.
I think that should also cover the Galileo satellite too.

The telescope will take around 20,000 images of a single piece of sky, the data is sent to the computer and the computer reconstructs the image from the coding used by the telescope.

As for saying that Hubble or any other satellite telescope has never broken is just an outright lie who ever told you that. There have been several "repair missions" since it's launch in 1991. One thing to mention about space, is you don't need any tools to put two bits of metal together. Because space is a vacuum, there is no air buffer between two said bits of metal. Therefore you get a cold fusion reaction which makes the metal stick.

There is a website which tracks all of the space debris and has an almost real time update sequence.

Here is an image:


Yes, it's bloody disgusting to see all that waste out in space!
But this is why you have "launch windows" for space flights, it's not only about the optimal conditions, but it's about where the space debris is also.

The Van Allen belt is a tough thing to get through without issues. But it's not about the amount of radiation, it's about the length of time you spend in said radiation.
Take Chernobyl for example, you can go right up to power station itself in a hazmat suit for around 15 minutes before you start to get sick, or suffer any long term issue's. After that, you'll probably have to spend a lot of time in recovery, as the radiation levels are comparable to an extinction event.

I'm not an astrophysicist either, I just have a very keen curiosity for all things space. I've read multiple theories and multiple scientific journals on lots of different subjects, through this I come to my own conclusion using my own logic and reason.

And by the way, the reason people get mad at the Flat Earth theory is because in their eyes (and mine too) when confronted with evidence such as constellations and time zones (which would be VERY different if the Earth was flat) the theory becomes preposterous.

For example:
Get a flat surface that you can lift up and rotate a torch around it, you'll see that the face of the paper lights up all at once. If the Earth was flat and it takes 7 minutes (approx) for the light to travel 93 million miles to Earth, then why does it take 8 hours for light from the sun to get from the UK to California?

And why do we see different constellations in the Southern Hemisphere to the Northern? This 100% could not happen if the Earth was flat. Those are the two biggest holes in the Flat Earth theory in my opinion.

I would like to say that I don't mean to come across as rude, arrogant or up myself with these statements. I am of the opinion that you are more than entitled to believe what you feel is right, that's total cool. It's just nice to have a counter argument, just in case. As many smart men have said, curiosity is a sign of intelligence.


5.) 18 Aug 2017 18:47:41
I think the Russians would have been there at some point in the last 48 years if it was possible, but I agree the Van Allen radiation belt is the elephant in the room when it comes to lunar expeditions.

And I agree that there is something very secretive going on in Antarctica.


6.) 19 Aug 2017 00:29:03
HSF,
It has everything to do with the radiation. Nasa themselves tell us we need to conquer the Van Allen radiation belts before we can send humans outside of earth's orbit and that does beg the question "didn't u already have 6 moon missions over 40 years ago? " Certainly seems a bigger problem than u think to me mate.

We figured out very quick how to get there in 69 it seems, yet after all the data on it was lost (how clumsy hey lol) we can't 40 years later.

I'm pretty sure most people that have really looked into it are not confused about the pictures they are putting out.
They add stuff to the pictures such as cloud formations, lights etc the computer wasn't told to do that the artists they employ do. Rob Simmons the nasa artist I believe his name is admits it himself.

We have all these rovers on the moon and mars yet we have no concrete proof they are there. We get what a computer they program, chucks out. The pictures on Mars in black and white are laughable. I'm sure my son has the exact crane they showed taking samples.

Don't you think in this day and age with the crap put on tv they wouldn't have a space channel by now? It doesn't even have to be live, just real.

The space station if u believe it is a great feature of human engineering yet there are no videos of them putting it together in space, they were speaking about it one day then poof there it is a few years later.

Remember if it's real, they are flying around at over 2000mph, one mistake or problem could cause catastrophic consequences yet every feed you see of them they don't seem bothered in the slightest.

Spacex is very exciting because musk has said he will fly 2 people round the moon and back by the end of 2018. Let's wait and see because I remember Branson saying the same thing.

I just want to see a real film of the earth rotating on its axis. They get 18 billion a year, have satellites all over the place it shouldn't be to much to ask in 2017 surely.

Show me Australia upside down (yes I understand gravity and relativity before I open that can of worms lol)

Nasa for me are struggling now, before they could pretty much say anything and hardly anyone took notice but now in this modern age of social networks and higher understanding people are looking and it's getting harder for them to fool us that's for me why they can't launch another mission outside of earth orbit because it's to hard to fake.

While u are talking vacuums have u ever known such a large vacuum that hasn't sucked in air near it such as space and the earth's atmosphere?
If I suck out 75% of the air in a bottle then pierce a hole in it, it will fill straight back to 100% again wouldn't it? Genuine question that as it's just a thought I had lol and if right how does that work?

{Ed033's Note - They only way musk will get anyone to the moon in back is with fake video.

This is how NASA fakes everything nowadays


7.) 19 Aug 2017 03:27:00
The "artists" you speak of are just computer nerds that put groups of images together and then renders them. It just so happens that they use software called "Photoshop" which is 10/10 in terms of performance for this kind of thing. People see the word Photoshop and assume it's fake.
Yes you can add things and change things with Photoshop, but all they are doing is stitching images together to create the full photo.

Some photo's will have anomalies on them, such as black squares or smudges or even massive lines across them. This is called an "artifact" and they happen in video games all the time (video games are just high fps slide shows with each frame being rendered individually) and other graphic rendering situations.

goo.gl/iABUi

This link will explain the quotes taken from Van Allen himself, plus I'm fairly sure this covers everything about the Van Allen Belts theory. It goes into very very high detail surrounding the radiation, including breaking down all the equations.

Space debris and Orbits
goo.gl/amhE6


I remember reading somewhere (maybe wikipedia I'm not sure) that the ISS can withstand impacts from debris of up to 3cm in diameter, so they track the stuff over that size and if they can track and predict the orbits of stars and planets, I'm fairly sure they can predicts space debris orbits and satellite orbits - then adjust the position of the space station accordingly to avoid said collisions, right?

And you say it's harder for NASA to fool us, but it works the other way around too.
There are so many different ways to communicate media or data that almost anyone can start a movement. People like Alex Jones for example, he's lying through his teeth, spouting useless information that is never backed up

"I spoke to a guy high up on the commission of NASA and he was telling me about inter-dimensional beings waging war on the dark side of the moon"

All he's doing, is preying on the people who are curious to know what's going on. These people like myself and yourself are vulnerable to this kind of thing because we want it to be like that. I'm sure he's saying some stuff that is correct, but he goes so overboard that it's almost theatrical, like one of those doomsday messages you see on news clips in movies.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean when you're talking about Vacuum but I'll give it a go.
I think the best way to explain it would be bubbles in water. They don't pop in water, they absorb the impacts of the water around it, if something penetrates the bubble, it doesn't pop it, a little bit breaks off and the hole is closed. A bottle is a bad example as it has a solid shape and a physical barrier. The bubbles do not, they just have the force of the air inside the water, much like the Earth in the vacuum of space.

In the Theia theory, a Mars sized rogue planet hit the earth twice, smashing debris into orbit around what was left of the Earth and formed rings (which we still have a very, very thin ring around us) gravity then played a part and clumped the mass of the debris together and allegedly formed the moon. It's just a theory, but it's similar to the bubble situation. Another thing is that Astronauts train in swimming pools with full space gear on to help simulate the feeling of being weightless.

An enjoyable discussion indeed! :)

{Ed033's Note - It is pretty bizarre that if Apollo got to the moon, there isn't a full image of the Earth from space in the public domain.

If you look at enough ISS video, you can see they are faking at least some of the video and you have to ask why they feel the need to do this if it's all real.

Some of the video NASA put out as space walks seems to be Astronauts training in swimming pools.


8.) 19 Aug 2017 11:48:36
HSF
They copy and paste cloud patterns lol. That is enhancing an image mate.
Have you seen the pic of Antarctica from space? It's a joke.

You say they use photoshop that's fine, but there must be some real images out there you would think surely?

The lovely blue marble nasa put out is perfectly round yet we are now told it's actually and oblate spheroid kind of like pear shaped.
Well that is not like any of the 6 or 7 images put out is it?

Have you ever seen the 'live' footage of a space walk where the astronauts helmet fills up with water?


9.) 19 Aug 2017 11:55:53
Sorry mate what I'm getting at with my question was there is nothing I know of that exists that won't be absorbed by a vacuum if next to it.

We are lead to think a huge vacuum is above us and its not pulling our air into it. What's stopping it I'm asking mate.


10.) 19 Aug 2017 12:20:40
This is exactly it Ed033, If you have to fake even one thing it should bring into question everything they put out?

I'm not claiming everyone in nasa is aware of this fake because they can't be.
In order to believe all of of what they say you have to agree to take a load of coincidence as proof such as, in a eclipse the moon and sun even though 100's of thousands of miles apart align perfectly.

It's also not explained how they tell us day and night can't be in the same place but in Russia (I think) there is many footage of it being day time in the same area day in one place and they turn the camera and it's a full moon the other way.

We used to be told when u see a boat disappear that is it going over the curve yet that has been totally disproved now, it just goes out of our perspective. Whip out your camera and u can bring it straight back and so on.

The math behind the curve is 8 inches per mile squared yet there are frozen lakes over 100 miles long that show no signs of the thousands of feet curvature that should be there.
The longest bridge on China in 120 miles long and yes it was built as if the ground was flat underneath it.

Eventually they should be able to proved it without me having to work out the math. If I tell u I have invented a flying car and u ask me to prove it would you accept me saying "get your calculator out" and never showing u the car and saying trust me?

My point is we take everything on faith from people that have never even been to see if they are right and now that is being passed off as a fact that doesn't warrant question.

Science is great but simply throwing out math and saying trust me, doesn't work for me.

{Ed033's Note - This is where the theory that the Moon was formed from bits blown off from Earth is ridiculous when it is in a perfect size/position for the eclipse.

Their 'Red Shift' math doesn't work for another example.


11.) 19 Aug 2017 13:41:25
Yes I think the old theory of (dark bodies) in and around the sun and moon could be more sense. Then there is the theory the moon was placed into orbit.
Being that the moon is too big to be a satellite for our planet unless it is hollow.

CTR, curve of the planet is that wrong like you said NDT had to even change the shape of the planet. and 8 inch to every mile squared is unprovable.
people have proven this to be a lie on youtube with high power lasers.

There is a physicist on youtube that agrees with everything listed. He even talks about how the ISS couldn't be where they say it is With there own math. Then he even talks on planes flying with the spin against the spin and across the spin.

And the problems that the arises from trying to land at these angles and speed.
I agree fully they cannot keep giving math and cgi for proof. And I do know the man that used to paint the images. blond hair man cannot find his video or name?
Strange because he was one of the first about 3-4 years ago I listened to him.


12.) 19 Aug 2017 13:45:05
Hsf,
Not taking the piss in anyway. Respect for the knowledge in what you talk of.

But how much of what you say, do you know from proving and doing yourself.
Like when you say Proxima Centauri is so far, and how much is from the text book?


13.) 19 Aug 2017 16:21:08
Southampton that is the math we are given mate.

The globe is 25000 miles approx in circumference which equates to that formula.

Balloons have been sent up 40 miles and higher yet the horizon rises.

Even if you make the math wider how high should we have to go up to see it.

It just isn't there.

I totally agree ed33, not just that but we are told we can't see the backside of the moon because it spins exactly the same speed as us so we always see one side.

We are told it's a sandy/ dusty type of surface on the moon yet it reflects the sun very well. Although I'm sure not done to a professional level people have actually measured the moonlight is colder in direct moonlight than it is in the shade of the moon meaning it omits it's own light.

Something doesn't add up here and I honestly think Nasa are struggling to fob us off anymore.
Ppl are waking up to the faith u have to take without real proof from Nasa.

After all its just another arm of the DOD.


14.) 19 Aug 2017 16:28:14
Southampton, his name is Mat Boylen he is a high realist artist that said he used to work for Nasa and says once at a party hosted by Nasa he asked about Antarctica and was told,
"If u go there you won't come back"
When he asked why, the Nasa bloke replied "because it's flat. "

Now u have to take that on faith that he's talking the truth but he makes some great points.


15.) 19 Aug 2017 18:23:32
Matthew Boylan was the nasa painter that first got my attention he was employed to drum up the actual image we see and know as the planets quite funny dude to watch as well in my opinion.
Then a few years later Eric dubay caught my attention.
He has a different way of giving what he calls his evidence.


16.) 19 Aug 2017 18:33:30
Honestly guys, you're looking at a lot of this with complete simplicity and something as complex as geometry, astronomy and physics can not be looked at in a simple manner. As an example, Football isn't just 22 men kicking a ball around, there are set patterns in the play, tactics and consistent readjustments made.

The Moon may well be a massive celestial body, too massive to be a real moon, but that's only because we've seen no evidence yet of other planets our size, with moons like ours. As technology progresses, telescopes get better and we can see further and in more detail. The observably universe is 90 billion light years each way I think - I don't even know what that is in miles, it probably can't even be calculated.

The planet being spherical isn't a new ideology either. Graham Hancock explained that if you take the measurements of the Great Pyramid of Giza, multiply it by 43,000 (a multiple of 72) you get the EXACT dimensions of the planet we're on, plus the exact alignment with the constellation of Orion. How old are the Pyramids? And we credit Columbus for saying the Earth was round.
My point being that somewhere in all of that, there may well be a planet our size with a moon bigger than ours. In fact, I will be willing to put my house up for a bet I'm that confident about it.

Additionally, there is a Japanese weather satellite that takes a photo of Earth every 10 minutes. It's called Himawari 8

Now with all due respect, let's see someone make a photoshop picture of Earth every 10 minutes - not possible. I know a guy who's a graphics designer (very successful one) and even he couldn't do this in an hour, let a lone 10 minutes.
So to say there are no images of Earth have been taken from space, is 100% wrong (I may have misinterpreted what you said, I'm really, really high! :D)

Southampton87, Of course the majority of my information came from reading websites, scientific papers and watching videos on said topics. I'm not even remotely smart enough to work it all out myself, some of it I can - a very small amount.


17.) 19 Aug 2017 22:01:01
HSF
Isn't it more about believing it's heliocentric than geocentric? I may be confused or prob totally wrong as I'm sure u can tell I'm not a physics teacher.

I look at it simple because I'm not a physics teacher and I can only go off what my point of view tells me.
If u tell me there's a curve to the earth I would expect to see clear proof then my simple brain will get it lol. If u tell me water can curve well prove to me it can be done.
If you tell me we can go to space show me a video of us leaving earth's orbit.

Surley that's just normal to want to see things proven.
My grandmother tells me god is real but once I got old enough to question it is realised she couldn't prove it so I stopped believing.

Science has replaced religion to an extent but the faith element is still the same when it comes to space and Earth.

{Ed033's Note - You only need to be simple to see fake stuff in videos, but if you don't look at the videos, you don't see the fakery.


18.) 19 Aug 2017 22:28:06
CTR i was agreeing with ya mate about curve.
But if u think the planet is just twice the size, you would have to go twice as high.
Same with 3 or 4 times
And 40,000 feet isn't that high you would probably need to be at least 90.000-130.000 feet up to start seeing curve or flatness .
August piccard back in 1930 or something when't up to around 90.000 I may be wrong .
I knew Boylan was the one u was speaking of and his view is quite interesting.
But there has been a load of miss info and what not put up about it now.

HSF it was Stephen hawkings website u visit was it mate lol jokes.

{Ed033's Note - And the person they now say is Stephen Hawking is highly likely to be not Stephen Hawking, so anything the fake Hawking has said in the last decade or so is a conspiracy.


19.) 19 Aug 2017 23:11:54
That would be my opinion too ed33.


20.) 20 Aug 2017 00:43:42
Ed033, my post seems to have come out in a completely random order, I know I was really high when typing that but I'm pretty sure I didn't type it out like that, as sort of proof read after typing it all.

I'm just wondering if maybe when you hyperlinked "Himawari 8" it may have misplaced something? Or maybe I was just really high, i don't know D: lol.

{Ed033's Note - Your post appears as it was received, except for me hyperlinking "Himawari 8".


21.) 21 Aug 2017 10:32:33
Ok no worries Ed, maybe I was too high after all! lol.


 

 

17 Aug 2017 19:22:14
Hello again guys and gals.

So recently I have really started looking into this flat earth. While I understand most will deride me I really think it exposes a lot of theories passed off as facts.

But one thing I really believe after looking into it is that we can't go out of earth's orbit.

The moon missions are fairytale stuff imo.

What do u guys think?

{Ed033's Note - Hi CTR, i thought you had fallen off the edge of the Earth 😋.

i think most people who post on here don't believe in the Flat Earth theory, but you could be correct about not being able to go out of Earth's orbit, however i always think that with a high enough level of technology, it maybe possible and therefore the question maybe, does or did any group have that level of high tech that isn't known about in the public domain i.e. Black Technololgy?


1.) 17 Aug 2017 21:36:58
Haha hello buddy.

I really believe we can't go above it atm mate.

When u actually look through the stuff nasa and other space organisations throw out u realise it's all guff.

The pics they show are composites the info they put out all seems amazing but they don't explain how they have all these magic tools to give us them.

When u actually think how far back they have been putting this stuff out it amazing.

From the hubble telescope to the galelao satalite.

I believe in aliens 100% I just don't think they come from another planet per say.

The earth being flat intrigues me.
The momentum it is getting seems all very strange to me.

I honestly believe Antarctica holds a lot of answers to us.

{Ed033's Note - you sound like a conspiracy guy.

Let's put it this way, they are 100% lying to us and either they don't want us to know what's out there or they don't have the super high tech to know what's out there.

I think there is way more chance that we're living in some type of computer simulation than any Flat Earth theory being correct.


2.) 17 Aug 2017 22:10:36
Yes I agree with both.
But that is exactly how I look at it and where problem does exist.
the concept runs into a lot of criticism, but when u get past the obvious problems like is there an edge, or if we are not a globe what with the magnetics of it how would this be possible.

But I still cannot find anywhere where they have proven curvature in all mass bodies of water that points to the earth size. considering were 72% water to land apparently .

And why have there been so many attempts to prove the earth is moving and fail.
And the ones they say have been questionable and could easily be manipulated through math as they do.

Also why is no one allowed to go to Antarctica without special permission
And companys in controlled areas.
But do I think the earth is flat, no.

But what if admiral Byrd was right and when he flew over the Antarctic there really was a continent the size of America and a government there to.
And as you say when u look it proves a lot more they talk of is psychological more than the actual reality.

But also as ed says it does also have the opposite
Where if there is real next level tech out there then
The science we're judging things on are bound to be wrong.

{Ed033's Note - It's a good point, why is Antarctica so secret, why do you need special permission to go there and why did all those top 'ranked' people go there recently (The Russian 'pope', john kerry, obama, buzz aldrin etc.)?


3.) 17 Aug 2017 23:38:32
Yes exactly.
I have heard a theory that where the ice has melted (if it has) .
They believe they have found pyramids under the ice proving to some sort of advanced civilisation was about long before the ice cap was there.
also there is the inner earth theory that you ed have pointed to also being a theory which would be more of an explanation as to why the secrecy for the amount of time it has been in place.


4.) 17 Aug 2017 23:41:05
Not alone in your thinking, CTR.


5.) 17 Aug 2017 23:51:48
Very good point, indeed why is it so secret, very interesting. I doubt we'll ever know 100%.

'Let's put it this way, they are 100% lying to us and either they don't want us to know what's out there or they don't have the super high tech to know what's out there. '

Exactly, they are lying to us, that is fact, like they do about everything else as you well know. I believe the technology is there, but whether it's been tested yet is another matter, I don't think it has. We haven't got close to what's out there because I don't believe we can, yet.


6.) 18 Aug 2017 02:40:11
My opinion of flat Earth is easy to find on the forums, but to cut it short I don't believe in it at all, if you'd like to see why, you can see it in the search function, it should be pretty easy to find. ^_^

On NASA and all things space, I think we went to the moon, I think a lot of the evidence to suggest we haven't is easily explained, however there are definitely some anomalies and questions that do need answering.

Can I ask, CTR why you think the stuff from Hubble etc is all lies?


7.) 18 Aug 2017 07:42:25
As my mum always tells me, I have a suspicious mind lol.

One thing I have found out is the amount of theory they now simply pass off as facts.
Take evolution for example, that is simply a theory with no concrete evidence imo but it is now taught in schools as fact. We now have a generation coming through that won't question it at all.

I can't prove the world is round or flat so doing so is something I'm not comfortable doing. But what I find very interesting is reaction to it. I have never known a reaction to a conspiracy like it. Ppl get angry.

Ppl will tell u flat out the Queen is a lizard but when u say the world is flat they call u crazy and can get abusive. That intrigues me so much, it's like brainwashing in a cult. If u go against a cult that is exactly the reaction u would expect.

I believe admiral Byrd found something big in Antarctica.

The simulation theory I will look into more as I can't really comment that well without reading into it more.

Southampton, I agree they can't measure curvature or rotation which should send alarm bells ringing imo. If I'm told something as fact but in order to believe it is have to take someone's word for it who themselves have not seen it or can't measure it I'm no different than the people believing there's a man on a cloud watching over me. It's just faith then. I have been lied to, to much to take the word of government.


8.) 18 Aug 2017 15:00:02
Yes and Coriolanus effect
Can affect a bullet but not a plane, even through a plane thrust it's self like a bullet
But travels a lot slower over a greater distance.
good posts
And interesting reads people.


9.) 19 Aug 2017 18:35:49
The Coriolanus Effect is a hypothetical force, it's not been proven yet, but the reason it wouldn't work on a plane, is because a plane is consistently pushing its self a long. A bullet has an initial burst and then no propulsion after that.


10.) 19 Aug 2017 23:20:08
Lol
That would make sense hsf.


 

 

25 Feb 2016 18:48:51
So after bond recommended making a murderer I have watched 6 episodes so far and I have to say it's shocking. Now as of yet I have not formulated an opinion on whether or not he killed that girl but the mere fact that the county police department set him up the first time sickens me and leads u to think he can't and would never get a fair trial.

It's obvious that Steve was not a nice person but the way they locked him up the first time and seemingly have gotten away with it irks me.

They allowed an inocent man go to jail and allowed the guilty man to stay free to commit further crimes.
If anything they should be up for perverting the corse of justice.

{Ed007's Note - I'm halfway through watching it again with my Mrs, Chris. It's terrible what they done to him and just shows what even small police forces/departments are capable of.}


1.) 26 Feb 2016 19:09:16
I totally agree mate, although I would lean more towards he done the murder, there is just to much evidence to suggest he did even if u took out the bullet and key etc.

{Ed007's Note - I think he might have done it lol How's that for sitting on the fence? If I'm honest I wouldn't have liked to be on the jury, I think I might have leaned towards not guilty because I wouldn't be 100%, you're messing up so many lives no matter what you choose though. And that excused juror is adamant he was innocent....
I don't want to waste it for you but wait until you see the final episode about the nephew.}


2.) 26 Feb 2016 20:41:43
I don't think he did it, and don't necessarily think he's not a nice person (at least not based on what you see on camera) .
It's noted that he has a low IQ and as such, made a few poor decisions in his youth.

The lead prosecutor is disgusting. The live press conference he gives when first indicating Brendan's involvement was damning enough to have a lasting effect on everyone who saw it;

The DNA specialist who broke protocol for the first time in her career, and in doing so used the only piece of "blood evidence" so a retest couldn't be performed;

The complete lack of blood in Avery's trailer or garage (even though Brendan said Avery stabbed her in the neck and cut her head off) ;

The police officer who radioed dispatch to report the missing vehicle a couple of days before it was "found" in Avery's yard;

And so many other loose ends, it's impossible to mention.

The whole thing is bent. This case was unique because it was being filmed from the beginning, as a result of Avery's previous wrongful imprisonment.

It begs the question, how many other cases are based on complete lies?

{Ed007's Note - I struggled at first to get my head round why they had so much footage etc, Joe and I've still avoided reading up on it so far.}


 

 

21 Jan 2016 20:12:38
So I've just finished the first missing 411 book and I have to say it's all very odd.

From his interviews I tonight not many children came back bit after reading one book it would appear most do.

I first jumped to supernatural stuff when I first heard of his books bit after reading my mind is strongly leaning towards cryptids in the forest.

Anyone else read them?

{Ed001's Note - could you perhaps repeat that in English mate? I am lost.}


1.) 21 Jan 2016 20:29:05
Haha, sorry ed la.

It's David Paulides book series called missing 411, it details strange disappearances in the woods of North America.

A quick run down, people go into the woods of North America and seemingly under the noses of others just go missing. Tracking dogs can't pick up a scent or flat out refuse to track and searchers can't locate them for days/ weeks or even years. Then they just turn up dead on a trail or Creek that has been extensively searched many times most of the time missing items of clothing (often boots) .

The ones that are found alive are normally young children 3 and under and in a lot of cases are found anywhere from 3 miles to 12 away from where they went missing. Most with scratches but no assault.

Ed33 got me onto his findings and it's been doing my head in since.
After reading I now have a theory.

I was just saying before reading and only listening to radio interviews I assumed most children don't get found alive but after reading his books found that not to be the case.

That was a quick run down lol.
And if u haven't heard of him give yourself an hour and listen to an interview on YouTube.

Hope your well mate.

{Ed001's Note - if I ever get a spare hour, maybe I will, but I have such a huge list of things to look at, read, listen to and watch that I doubt I will ever get round to it being honest. Thanks for explaining it though, it does sound, odd. If it was a creature hunting for food, the kids would be the ones taken, so even without knowing there were just scratches, you can pretty much rule out wild animals. Suggests human or other animal that kills for pleasure or research.

Good thanks mate, just tired, these transfer windows are hectic!}


2.) 21 Jan 2016 20:44:01
I think it could be a mixture of the two tbh.

Glad to hear it mate. I can only imagine they are.

Crazy period of the year with all Xmas holidays then xfer window to boot.

{Ed033's Note - The problem with the cryptids theory, CTR is if you look at his missing info in urban locations, which i recently posted an interview on.


3.) 21 Jan 2016 22:50:38
Yes that is a problem although I'm not 100% sure it's the same thing if anything at all.

The problem with the urban setting is there's to many variables. The fact it's college aged men coming out of bars a lot of the time leads me to think this way, although the cases I've heard are a bit crazy with the victims apparently alive for days before being found dead.

I theorise if the disappearances from the woods is down to a cryptid and the reappearance is down to a human element.

My theory on how it happens is the animal transmits ultra sound to stun the person of sorts and takes the person off and an agency returns them later.

My thinking behind this is the victims seem to be found after the search is nearing it's end or finished which tells me either the searchers are getting to close or far enough away to draw attention from something or someone.

If found alive they can't remember much although one lady that could a bit said she could remember seeing strange men hiding behind trees and tried speaking to them but they wouldn't talk just followed (green berets in special gear looking for her and them? )

The clothes stripping part of my theory is probably crazy but, I think the animal/ humanoid knows thier ultrasound causes over heating to the victims which can result in death and strips them while it takes them away to stop this maybe taking off there boots to dip there feet in a cold lake?

One of the park rangers admits the park and government know of 'wildmen' living off the grid that do "disgusting things " but to recognise it as true would mean they have to accept responsibility, which they can't / don't want to do.

Maybe the government also allow this to happen sometimes in order to find out where a particular group of these things are living?

Like I said a bit of a crazy theory :)

{Ed033's Note - as a whole it appears that the abductor(s) has the ability to transport the abductee from anywhere in the world to another location many miles away (faster than anyone could humanly travel on foot) without anyone seeing the abduction ever and has a 100% success rate of never being seen carrying out the abduction even in a crowded place.

This would seem to me that there is high-tech involved, which would lead me to think it would be either an underground high-tech human or non human group or an ET group.

i don't doubt there are wildmen, sasquatch, cryptids but i don't think they have high-tech or would be able to have a 100% success rate of never being seen carrying out the abduction even in a crowded place.

It's also likely that a government special forces group monitor at least some of the abductions and later possibly also go and rescue some of the abductees that are still alive.


4.) 22 Jan 2016 10:50:05
So what are we going with here a Dover daemon or the beast of bladenboro type of cryptid? I've always been very interested in cryptids! I do although struggle with the North American ones not because they are unbelievable but because of how Americans obsess and fantasise thus adding an element of daftness to the whole thing! I have seen the vids posted by ed33 on pauliedes but maybe have a look at the book if it's worth a read Chris!

I would like to add though Chris I'm enjoying watching the Arsenal ATM so will try and fit it in!


5.) 22 Jan 2016 13:04:01
The books are well worth a read matey.


6.) 22 Jan 2016 14:35:55
Yeah I think il give it a blast Chris.


7.) 22 Jan 2016 16:39:57
Eds theory on underground tunnels and caves has some merit but these sasquatch have been seen by many reputable people. The thing that gets me most about the paulides 411 is the cover up going on, even the author himself has admitted that it is very hard to get information from the parks authorities, one case I remember a child was abducted, a family on a nature walk seen a huge figure in the distance carry something over its shoulder running up a mountain but this was never investigate nor were the family interviewed, child has never been found. If any of you do have an interest in cryptids I recommend checking out Dogman encounters on youtube, very interesting stuff and also has some references in missing 411.

Garbo.

{Ed033's Note - Who is disagreeing with sasquatch have been seen? Not me. i believe Agogwe, almas, sasquatch are about somewhere and they may have abducted people as well, but i think they do not abduct people who are in a busy urban area.


8.) 22 Jan 2016 19:39:34
If some cryptids do exist then the powers that be will know about it that's for sure! Probably sick Inhumane experiments that have either gone wrong or escaped specimens! There is a reason that none of these have been widely broadcast and at times completely brushed under the carpet that's the real issue!


9.) 22 Jan 2016 20:43:21
grow,
Have you heard of the hybrid bear that they think is the reason behind the yeti sightings?

Its a cross of a black bear and a polar bear, it can live at real high altitude and if true can grow to over foot when on two legs.


10.) 22 Jan 2016 21:08:02
I've mentioned it before on non-conspiracy page but you should watch Swedish drama Jordskott. Very similar to the thread of this conversation.

{Ed007's Note - That rings a bell with me, someone I know watches that. Any idea what channel it was/is on mate?}


11.) 26 Jan 2016 20:47:11
i haven't chris? and don't say that geordie I really meant to watch that and now you made my mind up!


12.) 28 Jan 2016 20:20:23
Sorry the reply is so late. It was on ITV encore, I suppose it will be on whatever 'player' ITV have too. Well worth it.


 

 

17 Dec 2015 19:56:57
Hi guys, with lots of talk on the forums of secret agents etc I was hoping a few could help me.

My great uncle I have found out from the ever excellent Kimphilby on this great site was a MI6 spy.
I have been trying to find out more on him and his visit to Angola in the 70's and apparent 'death', I use that term as my father knows he didn't die there because he took a call from him years later asking for my grandad (his brother) and after realising it was the son hung up. My family never receiving anything from a body to bury or his belongings backs this theory up imo.

Anyways my question is, how easy is it to become a spy for MI6? I have read and been told by a a few people that it would not of been that difficult for him to find himself in that role, while others maintain its a very trusted position.

Sorry to be asking people here it's just my family seem to just shut up whenever I mention my great uncle and brush me off with silly stories about him.

The impression I got is its quite easy and he maybe just found himself in that role for that particular assignment and it's nothing to look into, am I right?

Cheers again guys, any opinions in this subject would be greatly appreciated as I'm trying to get my son into finding out about my families shady past as well as our good past :)


1.) 17 Dec 2015 21:40:58
Well depends on the role. A lot of intelligence work is analysis. Forget any images of James bond. Anyone who is a specialist could be recruited depending on what's required. Traditionally linguists are always popular. Russian speakers, arab speakers, etc. Or technical specialists like in 1990 with the gulf.

University graduates tend to be favoured because the intellectual disciplines used are essential for analysis.

Sometimes you do have on-site specialists. If for example you want to send someone to look at a bunch of mercenaries and assess the situation then current or ex military personnel would be a starting point.


2.) 17 Dec 2015 21:50:21
It's great digging into family stuff CTR good you found stuff out, Kim is very informative .

Looking into family stuff will distract you from LVG United bore, lol.

You would have to be of a certain material to join M15 for sure. Someone posted a John unwin video on here a short while ago Chris, it was brilliant to listen to although I'm still not sure but it was one of the best listens posted and he went onto mention been selected or groomed for some sort of task force.

So the chances are your great uncle would have been involved in some way with the government or civil service and was watched for certain attributes that would be idea for the M15, it's the same as every job you need to be a certain way, for example you have to be a certain way to be a nurse or a fireman, policeman, and you could argue that it's easy to become one of those but the fact is that you have to be a certain type of person.


3.) 17 Dec 2015 22:44:44
To be honest you'd be amazed at some of the people.


4.) 18 Dec 2015 15:30:08
Most of the agents here in Ireland were members of the community and organisations they were spying on. They had handlers who work from a safe distance and never at risk. That would have been MI5 thou, I'd imagine most of the MI6 spooks were similar.


5.) 18 Dec 2015 16:26:44
Yes you have handlers you handle assets. Usually people attached to an embassy or consulate and therefore protected by diplomatic immunity. If caught all that happens is you get expelled. And end up in Alaska or Siberia or whatever the British equivalent is.

That's white ops. Handlers need to be intelligent, good people skills and able to blend in well especially in different social circles.

Assets are usually local people you have their own motivations. There are 3 ways to recruit an asset. The 3b's. Bribery, blackmail or bullshit. You'd be amazed the people prepared to sell out their country for money. Blackmail, well the kgb employed special agents known as swallows or ravens depending on their sex whose job was to seduce targets and open them up to blackmail. And then there was good old fashioned bullshit. Sometimes although rarely there were those doing it for another motive. For a cause. Or revenge.

When your in country but the embassy is unaware then that's a black op and you have no fall back cover of diplomatic immunity. Then when caught your disavowed and wait to be exchanged.


6.) 19 Dec 2015 22:53:32
Great info there Kim.


7.) 20 Dec 2015 13:48:24
There's so much more I wish I could say. But on one side I'm bound by the OSA and I don't fancy Holloway prison at my age. And on the other, well I like my tea without anything radioactive added.


 

 

 

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19 Aug 2017 22:01:01
HSF
Isn't it more about believing it's heliocentric than geocentric? I may be confused or prob totally wrong as I'm sure u can tell I'm not a physics teacher.

I look at it simple because I'm not a physics teacher and I can only go off what my point of view tells me.
If u tell me there's a curve to the earth I would expect to see clear proof then my simple brain will get it lol. If u tell me water can curve well prove to me it can be done.
If you tell me we can go to space show me a video of us leaving earth's orbit.

Surley that's just normal to want to see things proven.
My grandmother tells me god is real but once I got old enough to question it is realised she couldn't prove it so I stopped believing.

Science has replaced religion to an extent but the faith element is still the same when it comes to space and Earth.

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19 Aug 2017 16:28:14
Southampton, his name is Mat Boylen he is a high realist artist that said he used to work for Nasa and says once at a party hosted by Nasa he asked about Antarctica and was told,
"If u go there you won't come back"
When he asked why, the Nasa bloke replied "because it's flat. "

Now u have to take that on faith that he's talking the truth but he makes some great points.


 

 

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19 Aug 2017 16:21:08
Southampton that is the math we are given mate.

The globe is 25000 miles approx in circumference which equates to that formula.

Balloons have been sent up 40 miles and higher yet the horizon rises.

Even if you make the math wider how high should we have to go up to see it.

It just isn't there.

I totally agree ed33, not just that but we are told we can't see the backside of the moon because it spins exactly the same speed as us so we always see one side.

We are told it's a sandy/ dusty type of surface on the moon yet it reflects the sun very well. Although I'm sure not done to a professional level people have actually measured the moonlight is colder in direct moonlight than it is in the shade of the moon meaning it omits it's own light.

Something doesn't add up here and I honestly think Nasa are struggling to fob us off anymore.
Ppl are waking up to the faith u have to take without real proof from Nasa.

After all its just another arm of the DOD.


 

 

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19 Aug 2017 12:20:40
This is exactly it Ed033, If you have to fake even one thing it should bring into question everything they put out?

I'm not claiming everyone in nasa is aware of this fake because they can't be.
In order to believe all of of what they say you have to agree to take a load of coincidence as proof such as, in a eclipse the moon and sun even though 100's of thousands of miles apart align perfectly.

It's also not explained how they tell us day and night can't be in the same place but in Russia (I think) there is many footage of it being day time in the same area day in one place and they turn the camera and it's a full moon the other way.

We used to be told when u see a boat disappear that is it going over the curve yet that has been totally disproved now, it just goes out of our perspective. Whip out your camera and u can bring it straight back and so on.

The math behind the curve is 8 inches per mile squared yet there are frozen lakes over 100 miles long that show no signs of the thousands of feet curvature that should be there.
The longest bridge on China in 120 miles long and yes it was built as if the ground was flat underneath it.

Eventually they should be able to proved it without me having to work out the math. If I tell u I have invented a flying car and u ask me to prove it would you accept me saying "get your calculator out" and never showing u the car and saying trust me?

My point is we take everything on faith from people that have never even been to see if they are right and now that is being passed off as a fact that doesn't warrant question.

Science is great but simply throwing out math and saying trust me, doesn't work for me.

{Ed033's Note - This is where the theory that the Moon was formed from bits blown off from Earth is ridiculous when it is in a perfect size/position for the eclipse.

Their 'Red Shift' math doesn't work for another example.


 

 

 

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