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02 Jan 2019 15:46:37
Browgun1982,

Can you explain why you would have to prepare the fluids for fracking if it is just water that is getting injected in to the well to fracture the rock?

Why would you have to prepare the water?
If I have a drink of water from my tap all I have to do is fill up a glass, no preparation there

Also as there is now an expert on the fracking industry here can you explain and enlighten us why in America, where fracking has been carried out for a number of years that they are having issues with their water being contaminated and also with earthquakes?

Earthquakes are also a issue that has been experienced in England where fracking has been taking place. Hence the temporary shutdown of drilling operations when it has happened.
Can you give us a better understanding of why and how this is happening if it is not being caused by this operation

I’m sure the protestors you have mentioned haven’t been able to create earthquakes to disrupt operations and your working day. So there must be a better explanation for this than blaming someone else.

I look forward to the information you are going to share with us regarding these questions as it will give us all a better understanding of what is really going on.

{Ed033's Note - Good points Truth-seeker.

1.) 02 Jan 2019 21:40:50
I’m going to be short. Not for a second have I said I’m an expert in fracking, again I have said on numerous occasions that no drilling of this type conventional or otherwise are particularly eco friendly. But nor is driving cars or eating farmed cattle . The only thing I have said is I don’t understand why over the past few years has this become the spawn of Satan.

It has been going on in this country for years, lots of years. As regards of preparation, I presume you don’t think the fluid just falls from the clouds and into the earth? So preparation is needed. But without getting into it and I can only speak from my experience, the fluid I have prepared has water and sand and a suspension agent, which I believe one is dried fish meal and the other is something that’s actually used in tomato ketchup. I don’t understand what you mean by the protesters causing earthquakes?

But they are not very nice people. If they want to stop vehicles I equipment then fine, I understand they have to try and get their point across somehow. But to stop people with family’s and children and make their days longer and harder than they need be when it’s a dangerous enough job where men need to be well rested and focused is nothing short of a disgrace.

If I don’t like a product that a supermarket sells, does that give me the right to harass and interfere with the checkout staff. And just to recap my original point in case you decided to miss it when you read everything else so well. I’m not really in favour of it all as greener energy is available. my point is that there’s lots of conventional drilling all over the uk that is dirtier by far but no one is bothered.

So just pointed out this is either a play by the powers or media that most have swallowed hook line and sinker. As for the earthquakes I have no idea? There’s not much point going into the depths of drilling practices as it would just go over your head and be a waste of my time.

2.) 03 Jan 2019 11:39:04
I have to say I’m disappointed in your reply. None of the questions answered clearly.

Maybe your not an expert but in your own words "I have a very good knowledge on the subject".

Although on the simple question regarding the fluid you prepare which you had previously said was just water you say you believe one is fish meal and the other is added to tomato ketchup. Your knowledge on this isn’t very good if your just assuming what this is.

Also what does supermarket employees have to do with this conversation. Your using this as a diversion to avoid answering what was asked. Supermarket employees sell food not prepare it, unlike what you do in your job.

As for your knowledge of drilling going over my head, you don’t seem very well informed on your own role. Plus, you’ve just made another assumption, that being you don’t know what my background is.

{Ed033's Note - We have an example here of one of the reasons why we can't get to the truth about anything and it's called compartmentalisation. Browgun has no intent to deceive us, but only knows a small fraction of the overall i.e. just enough to do his jobs.

Richard, D. Hall has shown examples of NASA employees not being able to answer questions, but they probably do not think NASA is full of lies and deceit like the truth seeking community does.

This also extends to the mainstream 'scientific' community who think all the scientific consensus (controlled peer review) stuff is all real.

On top of this, we have loads of paid agents who are paid to put out dis-information. We also have paid agents whose job it is, is to ridicule the truth and even to recruit ordinary people to perpetuate the dis-info and ridicule the truth.

3.) 03 Jan 2019 17:46:09
That’s a fair enough take ed033.

Truth seeker, I wasn’t trying to offend, but as in any job it’s hard to explain what is a unique sector to anyone who has never done it. I revert to my main point that I feel this is a diversion from the real truth, follow the path how you see fit.

I was honestly trying to give a bit of insight into a world I have lived and worked in for 14 years. I know enough to get paid handsomely. As for the whole oil and gas debate, I have seen these anti frackers turn up in vehicles and use things that rely on hydrocarbons, so people really need to understand that they can’t preach when their morals are only surface deep. We all have to understand and accept that no matter what, we are part of the system. Peace.

Also if your background was in Oil and Gas then you wouldn’t have asked the questions? So it’s fair to say my assumptions were somewhat founded.

4.) 03 Jan 2019 20:48:43
I see your making assumptions again.

Why wouldn’t I ask if I worked in oil and gas?
Maybe it because I wanted to see if you knew what you were talking about.
And going by the lack of a definitive answer, I’m unsure you actually do
The fluid injected in to the well to fracture rock is mainly water, although it may also contain chemicals or lubricants alongside your assumed fish meal and tomato ketchup ingredient which you believe is all that is added to the “brine”
Not the same as the brine you get in tins of tuna, but you could always ask one of those people in the supermarket you mentioned earlier, if it is similar or what the difference is. But in a non threatening way. That’s one thing we both agree on, although I’ve nothing against protesting about issues in a fair and peaceful manner.

I am surprised you don’t know the exact contents of the fluid as I would have expected a guy working in the oil and gas industry to be reading his Risk Assessments and carrying out his toolbox talk daily before starting work. This of course would include going over his COSHH assessments and MSDS for each and every thing being used to prepare his fracking fluid.

I dare say your toolpusher will not be best pleased when he finds out your taking shortcuts by not being fully conversant with all the relevant paperwork, not putting the correct controls in place and not even knowing if your using the correct PPE for the fluid your preparing.

By your comments in the threads here and also the position you say you carry out preparing fluid your relatively new to the industry and still have a lot to learn. One being think before you talk.

{Ed033's Note - Browgun said he's been 14 years in the oil and gas industry, but he probably still has a lot to learn :) (like the rest of us).

I hope we don't find out that any of the other ingredients added to the water are damaging to the environment in general and or damaging to plants / animals.

5.) 04 Jan 2019 01:51:34
Have you crashed google? Have a nice day, good luck in the rabbit hole 🕳.

6.) 04 Jan 2019 10:15:47
The problem been Ed. Is that I was to get into it chapter and verse it would become very boring and a waste of my time. I have never said that any of these methods are great for the environment, I have only been alarmed at how it has become public enemy no1. I have been involved in far more environmentally worrying situations. I don’t know why people feel the need to try attacking people who are only trying to give an insight. In short calling me a lair. But hey ho whatever floats their boat. Like most of the protesters you see they are totalitarian in their opinions and any who don’t agree are **** in their eyes, very ANTIFA like that’s why they attract the same crowd.

{Ed033's Note - We can't get to the truth about anything. Thanks for your insight. It's a pity you initially said that fracking only used water.

7.) 04 Jan 2019 10:48:14
There was a guy on here 2-3 years ago feverishly defending fracking. Maybe you're the same guy Browgun, or maybe it's just a coincidence. But your style of prose and overall heavily defensive tone is so similar. I think you're a shill.

{Ed033's Note - It was Browgun with a different username. I've read all of Browgun/Previous username's posts on here and a lot of Browgun/Previous username's posts on other sites, i don't think he is a shill, but i get why people might think it from his posts on this page over the last few days.

8.) 04 Jan 2019 11:44:45
No it used to be my previous/ original name but it got changed and I asked for it to be changed back. Some fracking is done with just water, or sea water. It depends on the weight needed to preserve the well bore. Like mentioned above it can be brine but there as also mentioned above different brines. And yes also the brine that’s in runs of tuna, I could go on but it’s pointless.

I have my phone in my pocket and usually tired and can’t be bothered getting into it chapter and verse. Everybody is looking into typos or wanting to try and make some out as a liar. The point that keeps getting missed is that it’s not on the same scale as conventional drilling.

It’s not about defending it Rian, but just trying to put it into perspective. Look into any industry or the way foods are prepared and it will scare you too death. Look at how many deaths are in the road, rail travel and other forms of travel. Life is potentially dangerous lots of things could be done better. I was actually trying to give you guys a heads up because I believe that you have been intentionally distracted into this.

It came from the tabloid newspaper originally for god sake. I know what happens and it makes me chuckle that some seriously dodgy stuff goes on and it never gets mentioned. And don’t even start me on some waste disposal methods offshore! So instead of desperately trying not to think that you extremely alert and awake people don’t get your legs pulled once in a while try and not be so dismissive of someone who isn’t just google bashing.

There’s no point going on anymore about this because it doesn’t change a thing. Fracking is about to become common place. People think it’s been stopped because of protests etc but it’s actually more to do with politics and the current nonsense with the brexit. And I will check out what a shill is Rian, but it doesn’t sound nice. Peace ✌️.

9.) 04 Jan 2019 13:29:44
I get what browgun is saying. he's saying in his opinion other drilling or extraction methods are more environmentally damaging than fracking in his opinion. I dare say there is a merit of truth in what he is saying. Just look how we are being pushed onto electric cars environmentally friendly no doubt, but the electricity is being made from not so clean energy.

On the whole, before someone starts going on about green energy. And if we all ended up driving electric cars the pollution from power stations would have to increase to cope with the extra demand. And we also are meant to be almost at the limit of energy consumption.

10.) 04 Jan 2019 14:30:29
That’s my point. I have had a change of opinion over the past few years. In most conventional drilling you are using OBM (oil based mud) and can some time drill to high losses, these losses are going into the earth. And most directional drilling and ERD (extended reach drilling) use a host of nuclear sources in their tools. I have personally seen these been lost when the drill string gets stuck. I’ve also drilled at 100bbl and hour losses with OBM. And that’s a 100bbl losses per hour.

11.) 04 Jan 2019 21:35:11
Crashed google?
😂😂😂😂😂

Well done,
Thought you might have taken the hook.
But you would know all about fishing with your being big in drilling.

12.) 04 Jan 2019 21:53:49
Just to inform everyone know what I mean to by fishing
It’s terminology used when a tool is lost down a well and a specialist is sent to the oilfield to retrieve it.

Reason I’m pointing this out is I’m not one for being vague when talking about things that Browgun believes will go over our heads.

Now if you believe I’ve crashed google for information because I’m not in the oil and gas industry, how would I have known the terminology used for this?

Mmmm 🤔

Nice deflection tactic by trying to discredit someone in attempt to change the direction of the conversation.

Typical drilling mentality.

Keep filling in your stop cards and doing whatever your toolpusher tells you without answering back, whether it’s safe or not. Don’t question, just go along with the gung ho attitude of get it done at all costs. Time is money.

Peace ✌️
Well give me peace.

13.) 04 Jan 2019 22:33:19
Please share your experiences then truth seeker. Interested in your point of view on the subject.

14.) 05 Jan 2019 07:06:29
Ok without gig tit for tat truth seeker and not just hintng at it. What is your background? I’m not here to be unpleasant. Let me know your take please .

15.) 05 Jan 2019 12:03:21
I have worked offshore in the oil industry for 20 years.

On drilling rigs, oil platforms and lifting Barges.

Browgun is correct regarding oil based mud and the use of radioactive sources during drilling activities.

I’m not a fan of any way of recovering oil, be it conventional, fracking or extracting it from oil sands as they do in Canada. Much the same as Browgun it’s a job, one I don’t love or agree with but it pays the bills.

Every way is bad for the environment, not that many years ago when flying out to certain platforms you would see oil slicks which would go for miles and miles. I’m not exaggerating when I say 15 to 20 miles.

After arriving on these platforms if you reported this to management onboard you would get the standard reply of we are aware of it and it’s below the levels we are permitted to put over board.
While environmental rules have tightened up over the years it still happens although Oil companies are now held accountable for it. Spotter planes are sent out to measure how large spills are if they happen and the companies involved are charged.

To me this is still unacceptable, a fine to these companies and forgive the pun, is a drop in the ocean
While the UK and Norway have higher safety standards regarding this, those same companies don’t give a damn how they destroy the environment in countries with little or no environmental regulation such as the African nations.

It’s not just oil spills that affect the environment but the burning of gas and chemicals through the flare on installations. It’s criminal how much gas is burned off when OAPs throughout the country are being charged exorbitant rates for heating.

Oil production also produces NORM, naturally occurring radioactive material which comes up with the oil from the reservoir below. Although this material is already present in the rock, by bringing it up it then has to be disposed of as it present inside valves and pipe work which then may be sent back to the “beach” (onshore) to be decontaminated.

This industry must be one of the most wasteful in the world. It not uncommon for millions to be wasted on failed projects or for valuable equipment to be disposed of from poor planning or incorrect design. If shareholders of these companies knew the truth about how much money was wasted they would be fuming.

I’m also one for clean energy, I have kids and hope they have a future where they can still enjoy the environment and appreciate animals.

16.) 05 Jan 2019 16:51:47
Well if that's the case TS your singing from the same hymn sheet as myself. I just don’t understand why the big dig out as you well understand how shocking it is. I have moved into doing renewable and geothermal but still the initial drilling is still causing waste. The other downside from this on a personal level that the pay is a third to almost half it is for oil exploration.

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05 Jan 2019 12:03:21
I have worked offshore in the oil industry for 20 years.

On drilling rigs, oil platforms and lifting Barges.

Browgun is correct regarding oil based mud and the use of radioactive sources during drilling activities.

I’m not a fan of any way of recovering oil, be it conventional, fracking or extracting it from oil sands as they do in Canada. Much the same as Browgun it’s a job, one I don’t love or agree with but it pays the bills.

Every way is bad for the environment, not that many years ago when flying out to certain platforms you would see oil slicks which would go for miles and miles. I’m not exaggerating when I say 15 to 20 miles.

After arriving on these platforms if you reported this to management onboard you would get the standard reply of we are aware of it and it’s below the levels we are permitted to put over board.
While environmental rules have tightened up over the years it still happens although Oil companies are now held accountable for it. Spotter planes are sent out to measure how large spills are if they happen and the companies involved are charged.

To me this is still unacceptable, a fine to these companies and forgive the pun, is a drop in the ocean
While the UK and Norway have higher safety standards regarding this, those same companies don’t give a damn how they destroy the environment in countries with little or no environmental regulation such as the African nations.

It’s not just oil spills that affect the environment but the burning of gas and chemicals through the flare on installations. It’s criminal how much gas is burned off when OAPs throughout the country are being charged exorbitant rates for heating.

Oil production also produces NORM, naturally occurring radioactive material which comes up with the oil from the reservoir below. Although this material is already present in the rock, by bringing it up it then has to be disposed of as it present inside valves and pipe work which then may be sent back to the “beach” (onshore) to be decontaminated.

This industry must be one of the most wasteful in the world. It not uncommon for millions to be wasted on failed projects or for valuable equipment to be disposed of from poor planning or incorrect design. If shareholders of these companies knew the truth about how much money was wasted they would be fuming.

I’m also one for clean energy, I have kids and hope they have a future where they can still enjoy the environment and appreciate animals.

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04 Jan 2019 21:53:49
Just to inform everyone know what I mean to by fishing
It’s terminology used when a tool is lost down a well and a specialist is sent to the oilfield to retrieve it.

Reason I’m pointing this out is I’m not one for being vague when talking about things that Browgun believes will go over our heads.

Now if you believe I’ve crashed google for information because I’m not in the oil and gas industry, how would I have known the terminology used for this?

Mmmm 🤔

Nice deflection tactic by trying to discredit someone in attempt to change the direction of the conversation.

Typical drilling mentality.

Keep filling in your stop cards and doing whatever your toolpusher tells you without answering back, whether it’s safe or not. Don’t question, just go along with the gung ho attitude of get it done at all costs. Time is money.

Peace ✌️
Well give me peace.

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04 Jan 2019 21:35:11
Crashed google?
😂😂😂😂😂

Well done,
Thought you might have taken the hook.
But you would know all about fishing with your being big in drilling.

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03 Jan 2019 20:48:43
I see your making assumptions again.

Why wouldn’t I ask if I worked in oil and gas?
Maybe it because I wanted to see if you knew what you were talking about.
And going by the lack of a definitive answer, I’m unsure you actually do
The fluid injected in to the well to fracture rock is mainly water, although it may also contain chemicals or lubricants alongside your assumed fish meal and tomato ketchup ingredient which you believe is all that is added to the “brine”
Not the same as the brine you get in tins of tuna, but you could always ask one of those people in the supermarket you mentioned earlier, if it is similar or what the difference is. But in a non threatening way. That’s one thing we both agree on, although I’ve nothing against protesting about issues in a fair and peaceful manner.

I am surprised you don’t know the exact contents of the fluid as I would have expected a guy working in the oil and gas industry to be reading his Risk Assessments and carrying out his toolbox talk daily before starting work. This of course would include going over his COSHH assessments and MSDS for each and every thing being used to prepare his fracking fluid.

I dare say your toolpusher will not be best pleased when he finds out your taking shortcuts by not being fully conversant with all the relevant paperwork, not putting the correct controls in place and not even knowing if your using the correct PPE for the fluid your preparing.

By your comments in the threads here and also the position you say you carry out preparing fluid your relatively new to the industry and still have a lot to learn. One being think before you talk.

{Ed033's Note - Browgun said he's been 14 years in the oil and gas industry, but he probably still has a lot to learn :) (like the rest of us).

I hope we don't find out that any of the other ingredients added to the water are damaging to the environment in general and or damaging to plants / animals.

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03 Jan 2019 11:39:04
I have to say I’m disappointed in your reply. None of the questions answered clearly.

Maybe your not an expert but in your own words "I have a very good knowledge on the subject".

Although on the simple question regarding the fluid you prepare which you had previously said was just water you say you believe one is fish meal and the other is added to tomato ketchup. Your knowledge on this isn’t very good if your just assuming what this is.

Also what does supermarket employees have to do with this conversation. Your using this as a diversion to avoid answering what was asked. Supermarket employees sell food not prepare it, unlike what you do in your job.

As for your knowledge of drilling going over my head, you don’t seem very well informed on your own role. Plus, you’ve just made another assumption, that being you don’t know what my background is.

{Ed033's Note - We have an example here of one of the reasons why we can't get to the truth about anything and it's called compartmentalisation. Browgun has no intent to deceive us, but only knows a small fraction of the overall i.e. just enough to do his jobs.

Richard, D. Hall has shown examples of NASA employees not being able to answer questions, but they probably do not think NASA is full of lies and deceit like the truth seeking community does.

This also extends to the mainstream 'scientific' community who think all the scientific consensus (controlled peer review) stuff is all real.

On top of this, we have loads of paid agents who are paid to put out dis-information. We also have paid agents whose job it is, is to ridicule the truth and even to recruit ordinary people to perpetuate the dis-info and ridicule the truth.

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