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13 Oct 2015 13:44:14
Hey guys, I just read an article on MSN news, the UK government are talking about legalizing cannabis to generate tax revenue. If you ask me that's the wrong reason to legalize it, maybe if it was for medical reasons I would accept it easier. i sometimes use cannabis I'm not against it just speaking morally. I've seen some posts about cannabis in some posts hope this interest's you guys. What's your opinion on this matter?

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1.) 13 Oct 2015 14:47:31
my mum takes it for medicinal purpose and I would vote for it. am skeptical if it was not spiked with something though.


2.) 13 Oct 2015 15:58:26
In order to sell it the usual tory interests it won't work by saying its medicinal. But by saying its for tax raising then they'll be able to sell it as a policy. Especially if the tax money goes on various other tory policies. And if they have notice to buy shares in whichever companies get the licences.


3.) 13 Oct 2015 21:14:23
Honestly the whole lot of it is bollocks! They should legalise the lot and provide clean safe drugs and get rid of the underground. People want drugs they get them and all the money wasted on trying to police it is obviously not working. And as for medicinal benefits you get psylocin that helps depression, mdma for ptsd (proved) shulgin work on it for the American government and you also have iboga that is pretty much bomb proof for treating addiction.

But then where would the profit be if they didn't sell subitex and methadone, it really is all a crock of crap. Sugar and added salt are more dangerous than most of the illegal substances fact, and we let our kids feast on it.


4.) 14 Oct 2015 00:08:55
Even if its legal the underground black market won't go away they'll keep on selling guns, ammunition and drugs. Its a real problem in Glasgow were I'm from so many wannabe gangsters wanna make there mark on the city. Back to the point when I was in Amsterdam the government regulated cannabis cafes were extortionate for weed. The locals there still use underworld drug dealers because there product is cheaper than the cafes. I think the same would happen here unfortunately.


5.) 14 Oct 2015 07:28:55
How in the world would the underground black market still sell drugs, if the price and quality was cheaper through regulation, and access would be easy as there would be shops selling them?

Think before you type mate.

Spot on growbun, the war on drugs worked about as well if not worse then whatthe current war on terror will.


6.) 14 Oct 2015 10:28:08
I did think before I typed, did you? I'm only giving my opinion on the facts iv seen in Amsterdam the drug dealers have the same quality but sell it cheaper. Now Britain has one of the highest tax rates for cigarettes, why would they not do the same for ganja? If the government did legalize it and it became widespread they would have a monopoly of tax off of it which in my opinion the price of the ganja would be greater than the drug dealers just out of sheer greed. let's face it the British government are just greedy money loving people.


7.) 14 Oct 2015 10:57:15
I'm not posting from a place of complete ignorance mate, whereas you are. Do you know why cigarettes are taxed so massively? To offset the cost to the public health system because of the destruction they cause to the human body. It has nothing to do with marijuana. Rather then looking at an example like Amsterdam, where Cafes can charge stupid rates because they know most of the tourists that visit, do so just to get high. Look at Colorado, where Marijuana is sold at a cheaper price than on the streets, quality is far better and taxes are going directly to public schooling and health systems. Where crime is at its lowest point in 15 years, along with drink driving offences as well as violence. Or Portugal, where all drugs are decriminalised and some legal, and addiction rates have been cut from 30 to 5%, along with a drop in crime.

How about Switzerland's new(ish) approach to heroin addiction where they are setting up clinics to give patients up to two grams a day, intravenously, and where there has been no impact on health, while crime rates plummet and productivity remains stable.

Once again mate, if you want to have a debate or as you put it an opinion, on something, at the very least educate yourself on what is actually being done, and focus on the places where legalisation has happened, and the results from it. Rather then basing it on an uneducated view of tobacco taxation, and a place known solely for marijuana cafes.

As growbun pointed out, now that studies are being done on illegal substances, results are showing the wide ranging benefits they can have on mental health, when used correctly. there's a reason pharmaceutical companies have been using this substances for a long time, to combat problems with health, and why they are actively lobbying to keep us from obtaining them ourselves, through easily accessible and legal avenues.


8.) 14 Oct 2015 18:01:42
I'm glad you spent the time and effort to get some good facts down there Melbourne. The fact the word drugs strikes fear into most people. Drugs in real terms are a whole massive bag pardon the pun, paracetamol , aspirin etc but get called medication and millions of prescribed drugs have unbelievable side effects and destroy the body far more than most so called illegal drugs the only difference is that the illegal drugs have a very obvious effect and to be fair the whole criminalisation of them is just pure control because it can make you see the world in a different light and no government wants you to think outside the box so any displays of such thinking get called psychosis or dilusional. But I must stress that like all substance it can have an adverse effect and it's very much down to self control and the individual. But I strongly believe people should be classed as criminals for wanting to enjoy there own time not bothering anyone else


9.) 14 Oct 2015 20:47:13
Legalise it and give the money to the health services


10.) 14 Oct 2015 22:33:46
You're alright in Spain ain't you. You can grow three plants I believe?


 

 

13 Oct 2015 13:06:53
@edd33, you said in a previous post down the page that you were going to expand your consciousness, I'm also in to that. What activities are good for expanding your consciousness?

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{Ed033's Note - i never said, i was going to expand my consciousness. i have no idea how to do that except for gaining more knowledge. Maybe others have an idea how to expand consciousness.


1.) 13 Oct 2015 15:58:50
I prefer vodka, classical music and a good book.


2.) 13 Oct 2015 17:17:33
Think it was Melbourne who said that. Hallucagenics, reading, meditation who knows?

I've only recently discovered my fondness for classical music Kim, and have to say it helps me drift away into distant thoughts a lot more effectively than modern pop music etc. Something more primal about it. I also like to listen to the odd piece of chanting or tribal music if I feel the need to be at one with myself and to have a good think.


3.) 13 Oct 2015 18:02:03
By far the most effective way to expand your consciousness is through the use of plants. Psilocybin mushrooms are great tools to help shed ego and explore your consciousness, but aren't for everyone. If you manage your consciousness well on a day to day basis, they will bring you nothing but clarity and perspective. Shouldn't be abused and I recommend use only when you need an objective look at life, or when wanting to explore your consciousness.

Other tools include meditation, floatation tanks, sensory deprevation tanks, forms of yoga and mindfulness. All take different levels of mastering but all have massive benefits. My suggestion if you choose to use plants is to be in a safe dark environment, maybe your room, with a smallish dose (2-3 grams).


4.) 13 Oct 2015 18:17:09
Yes classical is so much better. Also Chinese music and one time I was out shopping and there were some native Americans possibly Navajo doing dome street performance. Very relaxing music and chanting. I'll pass on the drugs though.


5.) 13 Oct 2015 18:33:22
Will have to check out some Chinese music when I get the chance then.


6.) 13 Oct 2015 13:35:03
Sorry ed my mistake, I try to read a book a day or at least a fair chunk of one. Knowledge is king in this world, I heard a saying that sticks with me "the more you learn the more you earn" hope you guys try it and I hope it helps.


7.) 13 Oct 2015 21:20:12
Melbourne, that's the route I take and it's unbelievable. I remember my first hit of vaped dmt. Oh my god I saw God and outer space visions and ascended beings. And it doesn't stop there. the afterglow is a month long pure unadulterated happiness and a real feeling of privilege. It's so easy to pull from bark as well. Ayahuasca route is also awesome but very full on. you need to book a weekend off and always always fast before.


8.) 13 Oct 2015 21:50:58
Sensory deprivation tanks? You do know they were used by the kgb as an interrogation technique? Far more effective than torture. Sorry digressing a bit there.

Music fits the mood. I find Beethoven and Mozart work quite well.


9.) 13 Oct 2015 22:27:10
Having had many of the best nights of my life on pills and mdma and having such a fondness for weed I always assumed I would enjoy mushrooms. But my first trip was a horror show (even though it started well) and I've tried it a few times since but always ended in a bad trip, almost like I unlocked the door to that negative feeling the first time round. It may not have helped that my first time was to take 2 large doses of strong foreign shrooms, either from Hawaii or Mexico, I forget which. Since then even the local species end up in a bad trip just not so extreme. The one interesting thing I noticed was after that experience I had unlocked the ability to trip when taking large amounts of mdma, really vivid changes in perception and colour but always positive - unlike my experiences on mushrooms. I always wondered why that was but never looked into it thoroughly, it was just like a switch had occurred in my brain.

I'm going away next year and will have the opportunity to try ayahuasca but I'm thinking its not a great idea given my previous experiences with natural hallucinogens. Is it of a similar effect?

I can however see how shrooms etc. can be of benefit in terms introspectively analysing ones self because I did see things in myself that I had never noticed before. Just a shame it usually ended badly!


10.) 13 Oct 2015 22:33:34
Beethoven and Mozart of course, lots of js Bach pieces too. I like more modern classical also - some of Vaughan Williams pieces are incredible and perfect for relaxing or reading.

I turned 30 less than a year ago and almost found that I liked classical music overnight. Just found myself flicking to classic fm in the car and leaving it on! I find I helps with de-stressing, concentration and just having a good long think about things (pondering).


11.) 13 Oct 2015 23:46:03
Boys I think ye are confusing consciousness with getting stoned out of yer head,ye are tripping,
Music is good for drifting away,what ye are talking about can be dangerous for someone with a weak mind,most people would get freaked out from them plants,
Lads do ye know what's great for the mind body and soul,exercise take up something you have never done before and start small,as the weeks go by and you feel yourself getting fitter it's a great high.
I played sport all my life but now I'm in the 40s I took up cycling last year great for the head,I do sportives cycle for charities,it's great deadly buzz when your finished,I never thought cycling was for me but I get a great high from it,


12.) 14 Oct 2015 07:30:47
Yes Kim. I'm sure your aware they can also be used for exploring your mind also through lack of stimulation so you're forced to deal with what's happening inside your head rather then on outside distractions


13.) 14 Oct 2015 07:42:28
Leahy I will admit that for me it was purely recreational, at the time, nothing more to it. But plenty of people do take these substances responsibly and to expand their consciousness, as Melbourne and growbun will tell you.

I'm assuming you have tried it seeing as you seem to think it doesn't work?

Exercise is great for releasing endorphins and I'm sure most people know that its good to keep fit and active. Both activities are in no way mutually exclusive though.


14.) 14 Oct 2015 08:28:46
Mushrooms can be a dark hole honey, I made the mistake of doing 2000 between three my first go and well I shivered and cried. Liberty caps are pretty much as strong a mushie as you can get per gram. If you fancy an introduction into dmt I suggest you try and get hold of some changa and mix it up with a bit of MJ and vape it. You will see the Aztec patterns but not breakthrough (once you breakthrough whoa) and I must strongly reinforce leahy s point if you have demons hallucinogenic scan make a boy out of you or a man?!


15.) 14 Oct 2015 11:06:11
HoneyBadger, I was trekking in Argentina when I was in my twenties. to make a long story short we came across a little village. the chief welcomed U.S. and they were in the middle of some ritual. we knew they were out of it by looking at them and they offered us this root.

I knew it would take us out of reality for a while, so myself and two others sat down and took this root. for 12 hours I couldn't see stars but actually thought I was one. I saw things that night you couldn't even dream of. one of the boys with me got on a plane two days later he got freaked over it and he hasn't left Ireland since, now everyone I meet him we laugh about it.


16.) 14 Oct 2015 12:53:53
It must be a cultural age thing.


17.) 14 Oct 2015 18:04:03
It's a fair point leahy. It really is horses for courses. I'm a firm believer of regretting the things I have done rather than the things I haven't peace 😝


 

 

13 Oct 2015 07:39:10
Hi guys, I read an article that suggests that violent video games make people want to commit acts of violence.as a gamer I disagree, I think that most people (not all) are smart enough to not be influenced by any game. What do you guys think?

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{Ed001's Note - it depends on the person, like drugs or alcohol, the effects vary from person to person. Those that actually are influenced are being influenced because of other problems they have, which would make them prone to acts of violence anyway. Same as films and books, they influence as much as we allow them to.}


1.) 13 Oct 2015 08:20:35
I'm a big gamer also. I think it comes down to individual mindsets though. anything can be influential to anyone good or bad, its not to say video games solely are to blame for all the dramas in the world but I bet in the odd occasion they are the root cause.

{Ed001's Note - so you wouldn't say the root cause was the person? I would say it was problems in their upbringing that caused it far more than the games. It seems to me that mostly it is people desperately trying to find something to blame rather than admit it is society that is the major root cause. Parents not caring, bullying at school, schools being useless, lack of a real community etc are far more of a cause of violence than the video games they play.}


2.) 13 Oct 2015 08:31:18
That's very true ed, didn't look at from that perspective thanks for all you guys insight.


3.) 13 Oct 2015 09:32:39
There was a huge debate when GTA 4 (iirc) came out when Devin Moore shot his way through a police station after stealing the gun from an officer; he then stole a police car and was caught after a car chase (much like the game he'd been playing non-stop). After being caught, he s something along the lines of "Life's a video game, you got to die sometime". This sparked a battle in the courts between Rockstar and Jack Thompson about whether or not the game caused this. I'd recommend watching Gamechangers as it is all about this. Should be on iPlayer as was pretty recent.


4.) 13 Oct 2015 11:48:51
No Ed of course its down to the person, sorry I didn't come across clear. I was trying to say about influences and how they can affect peoples judgements be it good or bad.


5.) 14 Oct 2015 18:18:00
I think that video games are a bit of an easy target because it seems more obvious that it could create behaviour problems, but in reality there a lots of things that can cause these problems and most of them are very subliminal. Most kids in my opinion copy other kids and try and fit in just depends on how impressionable they are. I used to love Mario and all that fly agaric chomping didn't influence me at all lol. I'd seen some 'expert' in his mid 60's giving his ten peneth in on the evils of bloody minecraft ffs he thought that kids now want to turn themselves into heavily pixilated blocks and fly through the sky looking for an ender dragon. He obviously didn't watch magic roundabout in his early days and probably watched re runs of captain pugwash instead, I hope he didn't call any of his kids Rodger


 

 

08 Oct 2015 22:29:34
Hey guys just read a bbc article about Japan. It was about sexualised children pictures in manga comics. In Japan its NOT illegal to possess such books. what is the world coming to? I think the leaders of this word are a bunch of sick individuals. We have it here also with the scum pedophilic MPs. Do you guys think its a trend among the sick elite all over the world?

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{Ed033's Note - If the elite can get us to think like them, then this world can be a truly sick place. The elite would love that and it's all part of slow brainwashing of us over a long period of time, through schooling and main stream media.

When parents can't recognise what sick stuff is being allowed into their childre's minds, this is going to happen and unfortunately parents now can't recognise what is sick and what is not, so we're in trouble. People can't recognise that political correctness is also a weapon being used to bring in sick ideas.


1.) 08 Oct 2015 22:51:20
Pop music videos in the western world are saturated with sexual imagery also. Might be fun for us grown ups at times but when you consider that the videos are mostly watched by kids and young teenagers its pretty sick really, what does it teach our kids?


2.) 08 Oct 2015 22:58:30
I'm a big fan of manga and most people get the wrong end of the stick, like my wife who says when I watch anime "oh you perv why has that kid got tits" when the fact is that it's not a kid but a cartoon and most western people associate cartoons with kids.

A lot of manga and anime is very graphic and thought provoking! If you can get past the cartoon there are some very interesting ideas posed by the art form


3.) 08 Oct 2015 23:04:44
Gav, I'd be just as worried what it's teaching adults too.

Singers such as Ariana Grande still look like young kids yet are plastered all over the tv dressed into next to nothing singing about all sorts, and with all this paedophile stuff in the news in the last few years is it getting us to think it's not so bad to look at stuff like that?

Gone are the days when it was cool to be that wholesome girl or boy that was good.
Remember Britney Spears had that image.


4.) 08 Oct 2015 23:13:57
Totally right badger. In the west we sexualise real people and specifically target young children and it's not for anything deviant but just to make money that is a red rag to a bull to all the paedos that live over here.

I feel it goes one further as well, they like to give kids unrealistic aspersions and make them feel insecure and probably contribute indirectly to a lot of child suicides. In Japan it's in your face over here it's sly and premeditated.


5.) 08 Oct 2015 23:31:18
Couldn't agree more ctr and browgun. You can see the agenda's at play. Also, the encouraging of promiscuity can lead to the break up of family units and people can be more easily controlled when they're not part of a cohesive unit.

Its crazy to think that back in the day we looked up to great philosophers, adventurours, inventors etc. Now kids look up to the likes of Kim kardashian who's famous for a sex tape and having a monstrous behind!


6.) 08 Oct 2015 23:43:12
Agree CTR but Brittany spears was just the opposite it was look at that school girl and 'hit her one more time'. It's a culture thing and it gets slowly intergrated to stop everyone thinking, what the hell was that.


7.) 08 Oct 2015 23:55:18
Very true guys, but I just can't help feeling sick and really angry about it. It should be every decent persons moral obligation to rid the world of such sick maniacs. Just can't stop thinking about the sick messed up people we have to tolerate on this planet. Almost brings a tear to my eyes. I might just be a bit sensitive but its really upset me.


8.) 09 Oct 2015 08:32:30
It is very upsetting and I do believe most horrible assaults come by the way of the deprived and frustrated. Most porn and things that we see a tad seedy over here usually go along way to leaving most men feeling inadequate


 

 

08 Oct 2015 06:28:20
Hey guys, I just watched a documentary series called holographic disclosure. Have any of you seen it? And what's your opinion on it? I don't know how accurate it is but it sounds really convincing.

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14 Oct 2015 10:28:08
I did think before I typed, did you? I'm only giving my opinion on the facts iv seen in Amsterdam the drug dealers have the same quality but sell it cheaper. Now Britain has one of the highest tax rates for cigarettes, why would they not do the same for ganja? If the government did legalize it and it became widespread they would have a monopoly of tax off of it which in my opinion the price of the ganja would be greater than the drug dealers just out of sheer greed. let's face it the British government are just greedy money loving people.

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14 Oct 2015 00:08:55
Even if its legal the underground black market won't go away they'll keep on selling guns, ammunition and drugs. Its a real problem in Glasgow were I'm from so many wannabe gangsters wanna make there mark on the city. Back to the point when I was in Amsterdam the government regulated cannabis cafes were extortionate for weed. The locals there still use underworld drug dealers because there product is cheaper than the cafes. I think the same would happen here unfortunately.

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13 Oct 2015 13:35:03
Sorry ed my mistake, I try to read a book a day or at least a fair chunk of one. Knowledge is king in this world, I heard a saying that sticks with me "the more you learn the more you earn" hope you guys try it and I hope it helps.

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13 Oct 2015 11:05:36
Not read the book but i've read about the alien interview. I personally think its a lie. I also think that any aliens that were found at Roswell were dead because of all the alien autopsy documents. Also how would they communicate with humans in my opinion telekinesis is the easy answer and probably not true. If they were to communicate with us I think it would be with symbols like crop circles or the Nazca lines in the desert. plus I'm sure the government made a lot of disinformation agents to warp and conflict with each others stories. Just my opinion guys.

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{Ed033's Note - i have read the book and it would be easy for anyone who is into the alternative info movement to make all this up. i'm not saying the author made any of it up, its most likely that the author was given made up info.

Let's just say the ET did give this story, is it possible that a captured ET is going to make something up? If this info is from the military, isn't it most likely that it is dis-info because that's what the military gives out?

The information is far fetched but possible. When you weigh up the probabilities, it's way more likely imo to be disinfo than truth.


 

 

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13 Oct 2015 08:31:18
That's very true ed, didn't look at from that perspective thanks for all you guys insight.

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