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27 Feb 2020 14:02:36
I don't mind some conspiracies but surely you can't believe flat earth and that space doesn't exist? That's crazy talk. Physics shows us the earth is round but simply, look at the moon, look at the stars. How on earth can the stars not exist? I'm bemused.

{Ed033's Note - And you should be bemused. You can watch some videos on here and if you're still intrigued you can return and watch more videos. If you're not intrigued, then you can call it crazy and leave, it's up to you.

I'll just say 4 things here:

No. 1. The Globe model curvature maths is about 8 inches per mile squared. 1 mile = 8 inches, 2 miles is 2 squared x 8 = 32 inches. 3 miles is 3 squared x 8 = 72 inches.

So, we can see that on the Globe model at some point the curvature of the Earth means we shouldn't see objects miles into the distance.

But what if you have a good zoom camera like a Nikon P900 and someone can zoom into objects that should be hidden by the curvature of the Earth? What if people can zoom into objects that should be hidden by 100s of feet of curvature? This is why people are Globe sceptics.


No 2. What we observe is the further from a light source we are, the dimmer it appears. This can be worked out mathematically using the inverse square law of light. The Heliocentric model has the Moon being around 225,000 miles away, the Sun at around 93 million miles away and all the Stars at over 4 lightyears away.

The problem being if we take the closest of those objects, then the Moon light should be quadrillions of lumens, which is an impossibility. It's no wonder then that some people are thinking that we have a local Moon, local Sun and local Planets and Stars. But we have to call Stars, Luminaries because we have no clue what the 'Stars' we observe are.

Also when we observe the Moon at night with clouds around it, we see the clouds that are immediately around the Moon are very bright and we observe that the clouds that are just a little bit further from the Moon are dark.



No. 3. Why are all the space agencies faking Outer Space? If you don't think they are, watch some videos on here or elsewhere.



No. 4. How is it possible to have the vacuum of outer space, directly next to our pressured atmosphere?

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27 Feb 2020 09:29:02
The 'Stars' (Luminaries) are not what we think.






For those of you interested about Sonoluminescence (Turning sound into light) Here is a study of the phenomenon.

Sound to light article

{Ed033's Note - Great stuff SM.

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26 Feb 2020 17:13:19
Duccablue, You asked why we can't see stars on the videos shot in space.

This was NASA's first attempt at filming the stars. After seeing this, that was a completely laughable attempt at showing stars, it seems they just don't bother trying to show them at all anymore.

"Stargazer" balloon launch.








There is some confusion though with astronauts and 'experts', as to whether you can actually see stars in space, or not?

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26 Feb 2020 18:13:36
Reposts of NASA faking outer space posted originally by Souther Monkey.
1. where someone's head outside the space shuttle gets in the way of the model and 2. recent video where NASA launches a satellite into a tank of water with the lights off.
Why do they need to always fake outer space?

This is NASA footage of the STS-8 Challenger mission, 1983.

At 3min 27s you can see the launch of the satellite from the cargo bay. Does anything catch your attention at this time?

Like the giant head floating in space?

Clearly the astronaut narrating missed it.

Also, at 4m 12s, get ready to turn the Earth on!






Here is the launch of the 'Solar Orbiter' a few days ago.

7m23s switch Earth on.

7m26s - 7m30s They don't think the Earth is curved enough. 7m30s ah that's better.

You can see the underwater satellite launch at 7m37s.

Mariana trench here we come!


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26 Feb 2020 19:42:26
Just to add to this thread.

The 'experts' tell us space in Sunlight is 250C and in darkness is -140C to -170C.

If you had a standard kitchen oven big enough to fit a car in and set to max temp, circa 250C, what do think would happen? .

If you had a freezer that could hit -140C or below and put a car in it, what do you think would happen.

If you put a car in a box that went from -140C to 250C in an instant, what do you think would happen?

Now think of the fakery of Tesla's 'Starman'. Earth glitches at 3:20 and 3m36 onward you see the flat earth satellite projection spread across the 3D globe model.

and you have to love a bit of Bowie (RIP)

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26 Feb 2020 19:48:14
People, as in you the reader of this post, SPACE AS WE KNOW IT IS FAKE.

{Ed033's Note - What! All the space agencies fake Outer Space because there is no Outer Space?

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26 Feb 2020 22:48:36
Ok guys i'm pretty much on board with F.E etc, just wondering about the ISS onboard tour videos where they are supposedly inside the station floating around for ages showing you around the station, it's half decent fakery.

{Ed033's Note - Hi Liv4Life, They must have learnt a few things from the movie Gravity with Sandra Bullock. They are going to get better at the fakery. The ISS onboard tour videos are like the illusionists, Criss Angel, Derren Brown, David Blaine, David Copperfield; i don't know exactly how they do the illusions, but i know they're illusions.

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26 Feb 2020 23:02:50
Respect Ed33 And southern monkey.
Persistence is what is needed. I have been looking at space for years and love lol Listening to cox and so on .

Since five or six years ago came across flat earth. And that is when I went down the hole so much. people need to wake up and smell the coffee.
Nasa is fake.
Mainstream Education is lies.

{Ed033's Note - Imo, Brian Cox et al are paid to hypnotise the masses to keep them believing in the mainstream consensus.

Yes, NASA is Not A Space Agency.

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27 Feb 2020 01:10:22
They are ed33
That's why I said it
They're paid to use their English to seduce u with their theories'
I just never knew how to break it down .
Fair plays
There is just too much fakeness from mass and Main science Sudoscience.

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27 Feb 2020 01:55:29
And so all satellites are actually something along the lines of a hot air balloon? It's quite amazing how they've managed to keep it so secret this whole time, and that there haven't been more prominent whistle-blowers from inside NASA and other space organisations. Definitely well played by the lizard gang.

{Ed033's Note - Yes, all satellites are attached in some way to high altitude balloons.

NASA employees turn up to work and work on their compartmentalised jobs. I would imagine that even the frogmen divers (with flippers, mask and oxygen tanks) in the water tanks with the astronauts, think they're helping astronauts practise for outer space, rather than knowing, that all astronaut space walks are astronauts in tanks of water being helped by divers and filmed by other divers. This is why we see bubbles in the space walk videos. One of the videos on here contains a reflection of a diver in the astronauts visor.

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26 Feb 2020 17:00:17
I had to watch this a second time just because I couldn't believe what I heard.

Nasa fail at launching 'mammoth balloon' to 'float a satellite' in space. Hahaha, why do they need a 'balloon' to float a satellite in space?

{Ed033's Note - Great find SM, if people don't know, all of our satellites are attached to high altitude balloons.

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26 Feb 2020 19:24:05
I love watching through old archive footage, Ed. Back then, 'they' didn't have to worry about whether people believed 'them' or not.

Difficult to imagine a time, nowadays, where most had to go to the cinema to watch the 'Pathe News'.

A time where, 'We', the 'public' were just in awe of the 'moving pictures', 'flicks'. And things like, 'We', 'the public's trust' of those in power', were taken advantage of far more easily.

Hang on, is that no different from today? Just that we have a far more technological 'elite', with a greater budget?

{Ed033's Note - When everyone used to gather around the wireless and later on, the T.V., the 'elite' could get people to believe whatever the 'elite' wanted them to believe. Luckily some of us have broken out because of the www.

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25 Feb 2020 23:14:18
Africa in the 1700s - Not What We've Been Told.

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25 Feb 2020 18:09:36
The Actornauts in the Zero G plane.

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25 Feb 2020 13:28:39
This is crazy. The European Space agency put out a video and said it was the ISS taken from a Soyuz spacecraft. Starting at 44 seconds into the video, A clear model of the ISS is being shown to us as the real ISS.

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25 Feb 2020 14:29:30
Explain how this is a clear model?

{Ed033's Note - Wow, it's obvious

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25 Feb 2020 14:46:33
Here is the full video:

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25 Feb 2020 23:05:39
Explain how it isn't hsf.

It's so fake it's hilarious.

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26 Feb 2020 08:17:07
I'm not saying I know that this is for sure the real deal but it's not obvious to me that its a model. Being an unfamiliar shape, a one off machine, and the only other examples most of us see being actual models, I can see why that connection might be made but I've got to ask, if it is genuine footage of the ISS, how would you expect it to look? How would it differ from what we see here?

Silly question maybe but related and I'm sure some of you clever dudes can explain it to me. Why don't I see any stars in this video, I would have thought being above the light pollution of the Earth, I'd see billions up there?

{Ed033's Note - They haven't put stars in the background because it would be too difficult to figure out where all the stars should be placed and how they should look.

It appears that they can never get far enough away from Earth to photograph it as a whole, this is why the Earth presented to us is strips of photographs curved around a ball in photoshop or placed into a 3d modelling software and presented to us as CGI.

Also, on a lot of the Earth from allegedly outer space, you typically don't see any recognisable land masses. Do you see any land masses in the above video. If not why not?

Also you either see clouds moving and the Earth being stationary or the Earth rotating and the clouds still or both not moving.

If you don't know, in order for the heliocentric model to work, Earth spins at around 1000 miles per hour, the Earth rotates around the Sun at 66,000 mph, the Sun moves through the Milky Way at 500,000 mph, the Milky Way moves through the Universe at over 1 million mph.

What we see with any space agency video in outer space is not consistent with the heliocentric model.

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25 Feb 2020 12:20:51
I imagine this won't get posted, like the rest of my posts for the last two weeks, but who knows maybe this will get posted.

1). If there is a dome encasing the Earth, how is it supporting it's own weight?
It would need support beams to stop it collapsing in on its self.

2). Why is the dome made of crystal like you say? There are many more natural substances out there which would be better to use.

3). You've mentioned that the Sun is within this dome, can you explain why we're not all irradiated and/ or burned to death?

4). Assuming Betelguise goes Supernova within our lifetime, how will that be explained?

{Ed033's Note - 1). This is some awesome creation we're living in and whoever created it should be able to create an impenetrable weightless barrier if they wanted to. Maybe we'll be able to do it one day if we develop the technological know how.

2. I don't know what the Firmament is made from. It could be liquid. If someone was to came up against a see through impenetrable barrier, how would people describe it? It has been described as crystal like. People can watch the videos on here that are possibly showing the Firmament at timestamp 24 Feb 2020 13:44:21 and timestamp 18 Feb 2020 07:46:28 .

3. The mainstream theory of the Sun is incorrect. We know the Sun exists because we can observe it. I don't know where the actual physical Sun is exactly located and i don't know whether the Sun we see through our Personal Atmospheric Dome (P.A.D.) is a projection of the actual Sun, but we know that we're not being irradiated and / or burned to death becuase we haven't been irradiated and / or burned to death.

4. We don't know exactly what the luminaries above us are. They could be plasma? The mainstream notion that they are Suns is just a theory. We can give names to these luminaries (such as Betelguise) and they may fade out, grow or change from time to time.

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25 Feb 2020 09:14:43
Back to a lighter tone.
Wonder how 'Sunsets' work on the Flat Earth model?

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24 Feb 2020 19:34:46
OK, so I know if a true pandemic hit the Earth, it would be a catastrophe and something I'd never wish to happen.

I just wanted to make that statement so not to appear cold to what we are being told is happening. Life is a gift in whatever form.

So, there are rallies / riots in Hong Kong for independence. Some videos showing banners asking for Trump to set them free.

A virus then shuts down China. (possibly by CCP to clear the resistance? BY the US to cripple China? I don't know)

Same virus shuts down Korea and Iran with some reports saying a different strain.

Seems a very strategic virus.

If we start getting a rise in western cases and suddenly an antiviral vaccine is released, the true agenda will be clear.

I am just trying to figure out what is actually going on. Much like all things on these pages.

{Ed033's Note - Probably be shortages of certain products in the coming months at least.

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24 Feb 2020 22:12:53
Coronavirus is deadly dangerous and should be taken very seriously but I think your post is cherry picking the facts my friend SM.

Korea (you don’t say which one) and Iran have not been shut down as far as I can see. Maybe I am not as up to date as you. Why would South Korea of all places be targeted?

You don’t mention Italy.

It’s truly awful, but insufficient evidence to suggest it is a strategic outbreak so far.

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25 Feb 2020 08:04:26
I did mention Italy but deleted that part to make a point more obvious, I guess.

As for cherry picking, that's exactly what I have had to do. If I put down all the 'facts' I have seen but can not prove (pretty much all the news we are getting) it would make one hell of a nightmarish read and I am guessing Ed wouldn't post it.

The MS and Independent (individuals, not the newspaper) news coming in from all countries, varies wildly. And it is extremely difficult to know what the actual truth of the matter, is.

The problem I have is that SARS Ebola and Covid-19 have all been reported to have come from animals (camels, monkeys, snakes, pangolin) but there has never been any proof of this. But its always the narrative.

I guess if I am honest, it's starting to worry me a tad, and I just wanted some perspective from Ed and fellow posters.

I apologise if it appeared that I am trying to twist this into a conspiracy by omitting certain things. This was never my angle, I am just trying to figure it all out.

{Ed033's Note - At the moment if you're outside of China, you can prepare for a bad scenario the best you're able to.

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25 Feb 2020 10:44:25
It could be like the terror security link.
Coronavirus is apparently bad for 1 in 5, also bad news for people with breathing, heart problems basically people of pension age. (depopulation)

Japan just went into technical economic recession.
They blamed brexit on the older generation.
Greece, italy same as japan, china massively over populated.

They're smashing the life out of the middle east.
Australia part of agenda 21 is was burning.
Agenda 21 in full swing maybe.
Not making a joke just an opinion.

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25 Feb 2020 21:52:54
Didn't mean to give you a hard time SM. I just think if you want to target specific groups a virus is probably the worst way to do it.

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25 Feb 2020 23:11:01
Not if all the people 'they' wanted to be immune had, had an anti-vaccine. Either knowingly or unknowingly. Not too much of a stretch of the imagination.

This is conjecture. I don't wish to scaremonger.

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26 Feb 2020 07:11:03
I disagree. It's too crude a tool for what you describe.

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26 Feb 2020 18:23:23
Perhaps (hopefully) you are correct, Rian. I am not at the forefront of viral research so it would be impossible to know what is actually possible.

I don't know how advanced nanotech is but I am aware of the studies/ research of using nanobots to destroy cancerous cells whilst ignoring healthy cells. This would mean the ability to program something so small you could have trillions injected into you and you wouldn't even know.

We know the MS never tell us the 'real' truth and, like I said, I am just trying to figure things out. Maybe it is all as they say (I very much doubt that, though) and it is an inevitable outcome of 'micro evolution'.

One thing we can be sure on though, is that no crisis will go to waste.

"You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before. "

-Rahm Emanuel.

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24 Feb 2020 13:44:21
If you think about it, we can't have the alleged vacuum of 'outer space' directly next to our atmosphere. On Earth, if we want to create an area of different pressure, it has to be held inside a container, so is it possible that Earth is in a container?

A container has a top, bottom and sides.

The Crystal Firmament could be the top.

The bottom would be as far down we could go.

I think the sides would be beyond the Antarctic ice wall in all directions, with other worlds (with life forms) similar to our own being beyond the Antarctic ice wall. With 'Outer Space' being anything beyond the Antarctic ice wall.

If you have seen the video on here before that was possibly showing the Firmament, then this video shows more footage of the phenomenon at the Firmament.

It also attempts to show what could be the bottom and the walls of our enclosed system.

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24 Feb 2020 17:20:56
I really can not get my head around how a pressurised atmosphere and a vacuum can sit side by side with no barrier separating them. It just wouldn't work.

I have had discussions where people argue that the air thins and gradually turns to a vacuum, all held in place by gravity.

If gravity was holding the air in place, how is it we get different layers of clouds moving in different direction?

{Ed033's Note - I guess gravity has artificial intelligence and knows to hold down certain stuff and let other stuff do its thing.

And if gravity does have artificial intelligence, then we must be in an amazing creation.

At the moment their gravity answer is an all in one catch word that they hope people repeat, but don't think about.

Look at the crazy answer to the Michelson-Morley experiment, that the measuring apparatus itself contracts in length and changes ellipsoidal shape the exact amount to give them the exact number they need to show the Earth is rotating at the correct amount around the Sun.

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24 Feb 2020 19:17:02
Haha, subjective gravity. Don't give 'them' ideas, Ed.

The Michelson-Morley experiment explanation is a joke.

Actually, the same person I spoke to about the vacuum / pressurised atmosphere, I explained the M-M experiment to them. They looked perplexed. Not from the fact they didn't understand what I had explained. More the fact they couldn't compute what the experiment concludes because it goes against their programming.

It's frustrating not being able to talk to intellectuals that are boxed in by MSBS thought.

But it's great when you see you have got through to them, on some level.

{Ed033's Note - A lot of people seem to have been hypnotised by people like Neil deGrasse Tyson and Brian Cox.

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24 Feb 2020 20:07:14
Agree Ed gravity must be cleaver because like others have said.
It knows the difference between air and helium in a ballon lol.
Also when u thought ahh I just dropped the remote,
It actually got pull out of your hand.
And if u ever want to go sky diving u will be pull to earth not fall .

I do agree atmosphere next to vacuum is near impossible.
But I'm still sat on a painfull fence sorry SM and ed.

{Ed033's Note - We all have to figure it out for ourselves.

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24 Feb 2020 21:49:20
Sorry for what, Southampton? .

In seeking the truth, I haven't found the answers. It's just made me see the lies.

{Ed033's Note - It's difficult to come up with an overall theory.

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24 Feb 2020 23:25:25
That's it ed33.

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27 Feb 2020 12:13:12
Soz SM just see message

I've been looking into flat earth theory for years but never gone full in till late.

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24 Feb 2020 06:10:38
The 'Waters Above'?

A closer look at one of the lighter than air gases that causes daylight, its colors and its energies.

{Ed033's Note - Great video, thanks, SM

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23 Feb 2020 19:48:43
Petrified Remains Of A Titan - 100% Biological

{Ed033's Note - Nice find, SM. If people have seen other videos of petrified giant fauna and flora, then this looks 100% biological. Definitely looks like biological fauna to me.

However, if people haven't seen previous videos of petrified giant fauna / flora, then they'll likely think this guy is nuts.

He isn't nuts.

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23 Feb 2020 22:02:52
I did think it would be a big step watching this, for someone that hadn't look into Our ancient petrified past before. But hoped it would spark a few to think about it. As you say, this is obviously petrified biological matter.

I don't believe he is nuts. But I suspect the people who do, think the same about us, Ed, and are probably on the wrong page.

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23 Feb 2020 15:58:38
Soviet Cosmonaut Says, "We Haven't Been to Space".

{Ed033's Note - Wow, a second astronaut/cosmonaut coming out and admitting the truth.

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23 Feb 2020 18:21:53
I found the original footage interview to try and see if the translation is right. YT's translator just starts to spurt out random words because there is Russian being translated into Hungarian and vice-versa. None of it made sense. The word space did pop up though. haha

I was going to give up then I saw a comment from a Hungarian who went on to translate the interview. I have know idea if it is correct, but what is said I felt worthy of passing on.


Translation comment form YT:

"The more I listen to it, the more it is indeed like he is trying to subtly say he wasn't been into space. The interviewer last minutes as finale asks him whether he believes in aliens (22 25 min) and he responds "What does it mean whether I believe? They just exist. And by the way our aryan civilization is the only one who came to Earth from outer space". Then the interviewer says "In this train of thought, maybe when you were in space, extrodinary things have happened! " on which the austronaut answers (23 02 min) "How could I know? Might have happened, but no one said anything to me. "

After this the interviewer says "Igor Petrovich, there seem to be some kind of stange code between all austronauts to not speak on this topic very openly. " on which he responds (23 24 min) "No, nothing like that. We just do not have the time. Everything I know I am ready to say in the next 30 minutes if I need to".

The interviewer then says "Since we do not have 30 more minutes, I will leave this door wide open, and I want to thank you that you admitted the existence of alien life form, after all you are hero of Solviet Union and we can trust you! "

On which he in closing words says a bit nerviously "Look, I said the code of honor isn't stopping the austronauts from talking about what is happening in space. They just do not know. In fact we haven't been into space. If anyone says otherwise it is not true. "

Basically with that the interview ends. "

{Ed033's Note - ok thanks.

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23 Feb 2020 12:39:49
An intriguing theory on the Sun and the sky.

{Ed033's Note - That's an extremely good find, SM. Thanks for posting.

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23 Feb 2020 14:38:28
Good post SM,
I could go into a daze all day looking at the northern lights lol.
But In regards to the topic, led lights use certain wavelength to obtain a blue or red or yellow light 660nm and so on.

Maybe everything is like a hand scanner in a shop. Its programme is trained on picking up wavelengths and frequencies to make us see light feel warmth and so on like the matrix showed.

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23 Feb 2020 14:39:17
But the gases and plasma is a good explanation as well.

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