19 Dec 2013 04:07:30
A few weeks ago I read something about the biggest cover up of all time. It wasn't JFK, 9/11, or Roswell. It is something far bigger.

We here all these conspiracies about UFOs, Aliens, higher beings and so on. But something we never hear about is religion.

Aliens may exist, in fact I'm fairly sure that they do, but if we can exist then why can't they? - from a Christianity view point God may have created other worlds with other life forms.

You see, what if the biggest ever cover up was in fact that of existence and proof of either God, Jesus or any biblical stories.

It sounds crazy right?

but doesn't every conspiracy? on the surface the modern world shows us wearing foil hats, reporting every plane as a UFO and insisting that everything is a lie.

there are tons of stories which are starting to gather pace.

With the same scientific community that ignores Conspiracy they are also ignoring Religion.

The same groups of 'unnamed' scientists backing up both Conspiracy and Religion.

and both Conspiracy & Religion are gaining more credibility and evidence to support their claims by the year.

my point is that there are stories within the Bible which are actually starting to be seen as not just possibilities but everything but fact.

For example, the stories and dare I say 'fact' of Noahs Ark being discovered but not properly researched in the 60's but now it's been examined and 'proven' to be the ark just off Mount Ararat.

We also have such stories as the Red sea crossing, Sodom and Gomorrah, Mount Sinai and the shroud of Turin all seeing to be moving towards a more factual existence.

I personally believe the theory of Evolution is BS, there are also theories of Humans and dinosaurs living side by side for time.

and how about the immortal Giant Sequoia trees?

The Bible is become a more of a historical factual document rather than that of Myth of legend.

so you may argue that other stories in other religious documents are true?
so what about them, do those religions not exist?
Surely not every religion can be right?

And you're right, but aren't their also multiple versions of events for every conspiracy?

people dismiss the idea of religion existing, but don't people also dismiss the idea of 9/11 not having any planes?

it all comes down to what you want to let yourself believe and learn about.

My point is simple, in religion their are similarities with Conspiracy theories. from the way they're perceived to the way they're studied.

So, could it be that the single biggest conspiracy of all time is the cover up of Christianity or other religions?

Just to add my own personal view, I'm not actually sure what I believe anymore. Religion, in my view could very well be the origin of human kind.

but, as a conspiracy reader and student I will not dismiss the idea of religion existing.

Thanks for reading.


 
I can see where you are coming from. I too believe that conspiracies and religion can and do co-exist. I'm not talking about the old fashioned perceptions of religion but more so that there is a spiritual life as well as a physical. I am bored by the usual arguments of religion starting wars, etc. if a person twists something pure to suit their purposes - who is to blame? The world is rapidly approaching something big and if we choose to allow ourselves to be cheated out of the one thing that could bring us together and protect us then we are playing into the hands of the shysters who prefer it when we live in the darkness.
I appreciate that what I have said will "turn off" some of us and that is understandable but I think we are all motivated to find the truth and believe we are the good guys. Let's keep pushing for the truth that's being hidden from us and see where it takes us.
Ah well time to put on the sandwich board - THE END IS NIGH!! ;)
KJ


 
19 Dec 2013 09:07:45
Brilliant post mate

Aron


 
Religion was, and still is for some, a means to confuse, manipulate and subjugate the masses.
Humanity has always, and will always, look for answers to the infinity as compared to our finiteness.
Religion was created to cloud that research and withhold any truth as to the nature of the source.

The priesthood of old used their supposed connection with the oneness, as an excuse to dictate the actions of the masses, the information available to them and to force the rebellious spirits, those that disagreed, into various forms of submission.
Christianity in particular is only two thousand years old. Many religions predated christianity and if one looks to some of those, one will see that it is easier to deduce to what they aspired as the tempering that took place in them is far less.

Christianity currently serves as the master plan to the separation of mind and spirit. Undoubtedly at its beginning it was not as polluted as it is today. This is evident by the fact that its principles still present altruism, caring and sharing as virtues to which everyone should aspire.
As is the case with all disinformation, some truth must be blended in with the lies so as to maintain both focus and confusion. If we take the bible as an example, there are some stolen and altered historical accounts contained therein. Noah's ark which you referred to, was known as the flood of Deucalion to the ancient Greeks. Sodom and gomorrah could be a form of higher intervention or perhaps the activation of a nuclear device by people opposed to what what they perceived as heathens. The nuclear device scenario would also explain the existence of the Dead sea. The list goes on and on.

On the matter of evolution, it is quite evident through selective breeding that it does exist. The domestication of wolves and more recently foxes serve as examples of small scale evolution, as it concerns animals. Cases of evolution in plants abound since the time of agricultural revolution.
Perhaps some aspects of evolution are still withheld, I for one believe in conscious evolution. An interesting example of which are pigs. The morphological alterations experienced by pigs when released into the wild, their partial transformation into hogs, is something that can be explained through the existence of conscious evolution.

The origin of mankind is a much disputed subject as transitional fossils, the missing link, are as ever evasive. This could be attributed to conscious evolution, genetic manipulation, or a mixture of both.

Using conspiracies to justify the existence of another conspiracy, cannot be your only argument.
Anyway, no one disputes the existence of religion. A lot of people dispute what purpose it serves.
Zari


 
Zari, is it possible that everything you know about proving religion wrong is indeed a cover up?

You mention the flood of deucalion, well couldn't that be falsified in the same way you believe the stories of Christianity are?

my overall point is simply that there could be far bigger cover ups that who killed JFK, 9/11, etc.

and in my opinion I actually believe something that would give concrete proof as to the origin of earth and it's species is being covered up and is on the verge of being unearthed.


 
Agree

Religion is BS designed to confuse and divide.

PLus the bible was written way way after jesus and there were differnt versions vith votes taken as to what to include and not to.

Plus there are religious texts from other religions that pre date the bible and christianity

Persoanlly I think religion is bull but each to their own


 
If the bible's objective was to divide and rule and the NWO want to unite and control humanity under one banner then what would you and others choose.

FTE


 
All matter is merely energy condenced to a slow vibration. That we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourself!


 
20 Dec 2013 00:43:40
Sorry original poster. I was referring to the reply disagreeing with you

Aron


 
At FTE,
Arguments of the type "you are either with us or against us" are an attempt to manipulate.
Dualistic systems e. g. order-chaos, union-division, left-right are limiting factors to a limited logic.
Multidimensional logic is not bound by two-dimensional arguments.

Division or unity?
Neither and both.
I am an individual with their own ideas, beliefs and inherent rights.
At the same time I am one with everything manifested, as the energy that forms this illusion of individuality, stems from the same source for everyone and everything.

Bill Hicks was a great man anon.
Zari


 
I agree with no name above and mentioned in a a few days back about my favourite conspiracy or unanswered subject. The main point being our origins and who knows about it.

Supasub


 
Thing is like most theories the FACT is that none of us know, there are theories that we can categorically say are true but don't know the full extent of the info, we have no idea of the origin of life as to the fact we have no idea whether jesus was a man or the son of god or if there is a god. the poster basically shared an idea and people jumping on his back straight off. bit harsh. its a fair post.


 
In all fairness anon LP, the anon OP didn't talk about the origin of humanity.
He mentioned the origin of humanity as presented by christianity.
I am attacking christianity and all organized religion for that matter.

There is no conspiracy involving religion other than that religion is a establishment created conspiracy.
Before religion there were manuals on how to understand and attain the universe. Things that people nowadays tend to refer to as pseudoscience where not treated as such. The study of nature, material and not, was approached through science.
With the advent of religion, science is limited to the material world and the spirit is left to decline, while the mind is polluted with silly images of devils, deamons and hells. Ignorance and insecurity at its greatest.

Additionally, noone is jumping on anyones back. It's called a dialogue because after you express your opinion through logical arguments, everyone else can express theirs through arguments and counterarguments.
There is no room for egos in discussions and if all one wishes for is blind agreement (submission), a mirror is what one should be discussing with.
Zari


 
Something is coming to a head; the exposure of The Machine. With it will come who and what we are, where we came from, and whom built The Machine. The OP is on to a very astute point as regards Religion.

Zari, Bill Hicks is alive and well (gained a bit of weight mind you), he runs a highly successful co-intel radio show out of Austin, Texas. It's (rather tellingly) named "Infowars" but I don't know if you knew this already? pea


 
Hey pea,
are you suggesting Alex Jones and Bill Hicks is the same person or is there some use of sarcasm that evaded me?
Zari


 
I tend to swerve topics like this as from the number of responses, religion one way or another causes divide, for what its worth the original poster may be on to something, the bible must be one of the first bit of manufactured propaganda.


 
Wouldn't the flood have been the same event just witnessed from 2 different perspectives?

There are legends of a global flood catastrophe all around the world, from the America's, through the middle east and on to Asia.

Obviously the biblical account is just propaganda, but I think a lot of stuff in the Old Testament is just a way to try and communicate certain information onwards, set out in a simple way for most people to view but intended for communication with a more higher functioning civilisation, ourselves. Kind of like those data boards attached to the Voyager probes when they were launched.

If that makes sense at al

Mort


 
21 Dec 2013 13:01:21
That the Bible is heavily encoded has been proven, and that it is riddled with allegories is obvious. Perhaps it is an incredibly advanced scientific manual for passing on knowledge that was never lost, only hidden? And I mean a real, highly advanced, 'mind blowing' scientific manual that would put today's scientists to shame.

It turns out Bill Hicks/Alex Jones are the same person. Fancy that, eh? I can't look at 'Alex' now without seeing who he is. pea


 
I believe that some religions were thought of, as a means to control the masses, which when you think about it, is what has been happening for such a very long time, in all aspects of life,
the New Testament was written over many years, long after Jesus, also lots of important facts were filtered out, we were not being allowed to read/hear what was for real, just tell us what we should know,
I do believe in a God, of sorts. there is a way that this world we live in runs and works,
also we are being prepared, bit by bit, for more information, otherwise, we might go into shock, when the bigger picture is revealed to the masses.


 
The orginal 2 points of this convo will converge when the time is right.