23 Apr 2020 14:52:47
A lot of the posts I have searched are going back to 2015 in regards to John Lennon so thought it was time to post my thoughts.

Long before news outlets on the Internet, I followed the Beatles from around 1971 when I was 9, everything Beatles related I was on, from records in second hand shops, radio interviews, you name it I was like a Beatles encyclopaedia.

First off someone mentioned Give Ireland back to the Irish as the B side to a Mull of Kintyre, there was no B side, Mull of Kintyre was released as a double A side with Girls school, give Ireland back was Wings debut single in 1972, which was banned by the BBC, he then released hi, hi, hi, also banned, so for his third single he did a Mary had a little lamb, no chance that getting banned, he later in the nineties did, All my trails about the Conservative Government, which also got banned, the b side was C moon, also the b side of Hi Hi Hi strangely enough.

Anyway onto John Lennon, we all know his phones were tapped, he was followed but not discretely, they wanted him to know he was being followed to put fear into him to stop him doing those concerts against American policies, Nixon wanted a Lennon and went as far as trying to deport him for the drugs in uk back in the sixties, Lennon fought the appeal and the same time withdrew from his views and demonstrations, Nixon was then removed over the watergate scandal and Lennon received his Green card and went into 5 years of no music, but still walked freely around New York and Central Park.

No longer a threat to the Government, Chapman had 5 years to take out Lennon, such an easy target, Lennon was big, so even then it would have been world headline news.

Fast forward to 1980, and two things occur, Lennon goes into the recording studios again and world wide news, at the same time Regan came into power and with previous with Nixon, they did not want Lennon as a threat, what is interesting is that Lennon was a month away from becoming a full American Citizen.

As far back as 1981, I have always thought there was more to the Lennon murder than a lone Whacko, I was not aware back then about mind control, but my opinion for what it is worth is either the c.i.a or the f.b.i had a hand in the Lennon shooting.

{Ed033's Note - It's not good for your health, if you have a large audience / following and they think you might say more stuff they don't want you saying.

 
23 Apr 2020 15:44:33
It is also worth noting in 1972, Lennon released his some time in New York City album and his protest marches against the Vietnam war and certain prisoners.

That is when an interest in Lennon was taken out by certain people in high places.

Anyone not familiar with that album, I would strongly recommend you check it out and have a look at some of the songs and lyrics, on that album.

 
23 Apr 2020 20:49:30
Love the Beatles, really interesting to hear these thoughts.

 
23 Apr 2020 21:33:20
If you look who was after peace or a better world, Kennedy not wanting a Vietnam war, Martin Luther King, Malcolm x, John Lennon, all those taken out by a supposed loner.

 
23 Apr 2020 22:07:29
Here you go Alftupper. US intelligence agencies were becoming more concerned with Lennon after he moved away from drug use and towards activism, and was just one month away from becoming an American citizen at the time of his death.

The FBI and CIA ordered agents to keep Lennon under surveillance, according to the book, while Bresler’s documents show the star’s arrest for drugs use in 1972 was “to neutralise and disrupt” Lennon’s activities.

In a bombshell claim, Lennon’s assassin may have been trained in war-torn Beirut to become a hitman when the CIA held a heavy presence during the 1970s.

Author Phil Strongman, in the book John Lennon: Life, Times and Assassination, explores the idea Chapman was programmed to carry out the killing, with the Novel, The Catcher in the Rye acting as the trigger.

Postash’s book claims Chapman waited for Lennon to arrive home on the fatal night, kneeled down in a combat stance and shot the star four times in the back from 20ft away.

Potash writes: "He could have escaped but instead took off his coat, folded it up and took out Catcher in the Rye out of his pocket."

Lennon later died in hospital after losing 80% of his blood.

In an interview with Bresler, NYPD lieutenant Arthur O’Connor said: "Chapman looked like he could have been programmed. That was the way he looked and that was the way he talked".

 
24 Apr 2020 08:44:47
I agree with much of what you say and feel like the people involved were linked to the assassinations of the Kennedy brothers too, years earlier. They all have the same feel about them and fulfilled the same agenda of the US military industrial complex.

I've always been interested in the Paul is Dead theories too, not because I necessarily believe the real Paul McCartney did die but there is certainly a lot of clues and symbology in the Beatles music and artwork to suggest that. This esoteric symbology has the feel of 'resurrection' about it much like the story of Jesus or Osiris (Egypt) before him.

The resurrection myth is a story that has been retold endless times throughout history and these symbolic tales are designed to manipulate human consciousness somehow. Perhaps we were supposed to see Paul as the new Jesus, subconsciously?

I always wondered if the Beatles were, in part, a mind control project used to to push certain new themes like free love, drug use etc. Much like the CIA pulling the strings of the emerging LSD scene on the west coast of the USA and promoting these ideals, at the same time.

The 'clean cut' boyband with young impressionable fans morphed into a psychedelic act that glorified drug use much like young Disney kids today (with young fans) turning into sexualised acts overnight. Could have a profound effect on those fans and the way they view the world.

I often wondered what really was the role of George Martin (who later released the Love album - containing more hidden clues) and EMI (who I understand were part of the military industrial complex before turning to making popular music) .

By the way, I'm a big fan of the Beatles music before anyone gets offended 😁 although I've never really warmed to Paul.

{Ed033's Note - if people don't know, there is an biography of the New Paul McCartney (Faul), which tells the story of Faul who took over from the real Paul McCartney who died in 1966. The Book is called, The Memoirs of Billy Shears.

Nick Kollerstrom on Windows on the World

 
24 Apr 2020 12:09:42
I am aware of the book Ed033 but not read it. Pretty interesting.

There is a documentary series on youtube called either 'the winged beatle' or 'the rotten apple series' relating to the PID theory. Its put together in a trippy kind of way rather than informative but I enjoyed watching it and did learn plenty.

There is also an interesting book called 'weird scenes inside the canyon' by David McGowan, for those interested in the USA side of the (manufactured? ) hippy scene of the 1960s/ 70s. Lots of links between the music scene, lsd, military industrial complex and a whole string of dubious deaths.

If I remember correctly Ed02 was in that part of the west coast at around the same time frame, although he never entertained any such theories when I brought them up years ago.

 
24 Apr 2020 23:25:40
I do not think you need worry about Paul is dead rumours, once the Beatles got wind of the story, they planted clues on their albums to get fans and the press talking.

If you listen to how do you sleep when John was angry with Paul, there is no way John would have kept it a secret, John spoke his mind and would have certainly mentioned it.

One of the clues they got wrong was the vw Beatle plate 28if, Paul would have only been 27 not 28.

Also the barefoot Abbey Road, Paul was wearing sandels on the first few photo takes, then took them off, it just so happens, the best photo was Paul barefoot.

If you note from 67 onwards, most of the singles were Paul McCartneys, Lady Madonna, Hey Jude, Get back, Let it be.

Do you honestly believe John would let a stranger walk straight into the band and put all those hits out.

He would not even entertain George’s songs so not a chance he would let a total stranger dominate the song writing.

My personal feeling is file it under the Beatles having a joke planting secret messages.

 
25 Apr 2020 01:26:49
Can also add to the above Paul McCartney project on the Magical mystery tour film, so soon after joining the band, I just do not see John's ego allowing it to go under the radar, even though tongue in cheek in how do you sleep about those feats were right when they said you were dead, that was a come back on Paul’s too many people song, where John took it as Paul taking a dig at Yoko being in the recording studio, when the Beatles were recording.

 
25 Apr 2020 10:02:11
I don't think Paul died and was replaced, necessarily, as I stated in my OP. But the clues/ suggestions in the music and art run a lot deeper than just a couple of them doing it 'for a laugh' imo. It would have taken an awful lot of long term planning from even before the writing of Sgt Pepper's.

There is esoteric symbolism placed by the 'hidden hand' in a lot of famous art throughout the ages, from ancient scripture to da vinci's work to Mozart's music to Shakespeare's plays, and also hidden in a lot of ancient architecture etc. One theme that is often referenced in this way is the mystical idea of death and resurrection, which actually symbolises a spiritual rebirth. It's the mythical story told about jesus, osiris and many other figures throughout history. And it's a symbolism that has been deliberately repeated in the beatles material, around Paul, imo.

The question for me is why and who was the driving force behind it? It continued on long after John had died and only Paul and George Martin were around to carry it on.

I appreciate it sounds kinda crazy, but reality often does. Esoteric symbolism is all around us today even (in Hollywood, tv, marketing, pop music etc) but most don't notice it. It's designed for 'the few' I guess.

 
25 Apr 2020 16:33:41
I think it is a very good well put Paul is dead and certainly adds lots of weight to support it.

No one for sure can say it did not happen, all I have done is analyse it as a fan, is it something that they could cover up.

Again John Lennon was very out spoken, he started the band, would he then take a step back and let someone take Paul's place, possibly, but not a chance John would sit back and let a fake Paul put single after single out, with a Johns on the b side.

A year or so after that John met Yoko and not long after that wanted to do his own project, he had no obligation or contract tying him down to the Beatles, so the easiest way to disband himself from the band was telling the truth if there was a cover up.

Any interview with John and he is straight in, saying it how it is, Jesus, the c.i.a, anything that was on Johns mind he would speak about in any interviews.

So I am only going off how John reacts and just could not see John keeping that quiet for 24 years.

Me personally I do not believe-it happened, but that is the beauty of Conspiracy, always two sides to a possibility and makes interesting views from both sides.

 
28 Apr 2020 12:18:09
great reading and thanks for the insights. There is a great website about PID as well which is really interesting for anyone interested in that conspiracy. I for one believe that it was a hoax that The Beatles were only too pleased to have fun with and that it wasn't real.