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22 Jan 2020 16:13:03
So, I’ve read the replies and watched the videos but I find it all completely unbelievable. There are a number of reasons for this:

1. I’ve flown all over the world and from what I have seen, the horizon curves away from us.
2. The Flat Earth models are theoretical and I guess you can create any theoretical model to justify your argument.
3. Some of the videos state things as fact that are clearly not fact or irrelevant to the discussion.

However, there are a few more gripping reasons:

4. It denies over 500 years of science from Copernicus onwards.
5. The theory isn’t just that the Earth is flat, it suggests that the agreed view of the universe, stars, and planets is all wrong too. That’s something of a stretch.
6. The size of this conspiracy theory is immense, all airline pilots across the lifetime of air travel, all astronauts, pretty much everyone at NASA, an enormous number of scientists, and so on and so on.

There are some conspiracy theories that are believable but this isn’t one of them.

AJH

{Ed033's Note - Thanks for the responses.

This site doesn't just concentrate on the Fixed, Enclosed, Flat Earth model.


1.) 22 Jan 2020 17:45:18
I get that Ed, I'm going to keep popping on here.

{Ed033's Note - That would be great.


2.) 22 Jan 2020 18:27:52
I can completely understand how you feel on the FE theory, AJH. I struggle with, what it would mean if true, too. Something is not right though. And I'm trying to find out with my own research. I'd be happy to admit I was wrong about something if I was proved to be so.

Its the fact that there are no real photos of the Earth in full view. They are all photoshopped and made to look how we would expect it to look. Why is that? . They send probes and robotic machines to even the farthest planets to take photographs, yet they have none of the planet we live on?

If you were on a spacecraft going to the Moon. Would the first thing you look at and photograph be the Earth? This just doesn't add up to me.

As for the 500 years of science being denied. I am just about to start, probably a life's work, to try and understand the works of A. T. Fomenko. Someone that believes "consensual history is a finely woven magic fabric of intricate lies about events predating the XVI century".

That will be after I have read: Isaac Newton - The chronology of ancient kingdoms. Who believes the same. I will share my thoughts as and when.

Just to add a little more to your responses. I don't believe everyone at Nasa knows much at all with, what is going on. It's all compartmentalised, so no one knows what anyone else is doing. And there are a lot of ex nasa people who are now flat Earthers which generates questions. It would be possible for the elite few at the top of these organisations to be the only ones in the know.

I'm not a flat earther (yet), but I am open to the possibility to it being true. You can see my journey down the rabbit hole from about 2 months ago on here. I actually said to Ed recently that, if you told me a few months ago I'd be researching the FE theory, I would have told you, you were insane!


 

 

21 Jan 2020 13:35:13
I know I should probably let this go, but here goes. Mid the Earth is flat then I have a few questions.

1. Is the moon flat or round?
2. Along the same lines, how about the other planets in our solar system, flat or round?
3. Does the Earth move around the Sun or is it stationary?
4. Why do stars in the night sky not stay on the same place. Are they moving or is the Earth moving?
5. I’ve watched sunrises and sunsets, is it the Sun moving or the Earth?
6. Similar question, why does the sun start in the East and finish in the West?
7. If the Earth is flat and non rotating, how do we have day and night, and different seasons?
8. What is the Moon’s relationship to the Earth if the Earth is flat? Does it orbit and if so, how?
9. When I fly on a plane, I can see what appears to be the curvature of the Earth, why is this?

AJH

{Ed033's Note - If you had watched the videos under your previous questions, you would have known how the current Flat Earth model works and maybe answered some of your questions.

I offer answers for your consideration under this video (you might have to wait for all to be answered), but don't think that's the end of asking questions as we should all continue asking questions and my answers are not anything definitive either as this is an ongoing journey to get definitive answers one way or another.

It would be good if you would download the Flat Earth Sun, Moon & Zodiac Clock app from Google Play or the Iphone apple app store (unfortunately costs $2.99 but it's worth it imo.)


1.) 21 Jan 2020 13:57:19
Q1. Is the moon flat or round?

A1. If you were to look at Earth from way above it, it might appear to be round, so the question is, Is the moon round or spherical?

One thing about the Moon, it can't be 235,000 miles away because we observe that when we can see Moon and clouds in the sky, only the few clouds nearest to the Moon are lit up by the Moon.

I could be incorrect, but from what i have observed, at the moment, i'll say spherical.

Moon photos taken at the same time from Scotland and Australia. How would this be possible on a globe?


2.) 21 Jan 2020 14:56:07
Q2. Along the same lines, how about the other planets in our solar system, flat or round?

A2. NASA and all space agencies have been stuck in low Earth orbit because there seems to be a crystal, watery barrier above us called the Firmament. The luminaries that are called stars are within the Firmament. I'm guessing the luminaries called planets are within the Firmament. At the moment i think spherical plasma. see video below of Mars zoomed in seen through Nikon P900:






Q3. Does the Earth move around the Sun or is it stationary?

A3. The Sun moves in circles (of increasing and decreasing diameter) above the fixed, non moving, non rotating Earth. (See Flat Earth Sun, Moon & Zodiac Clock app video above)


3.) 21 Jan 2020 17:37:08
AJH, As for star movements, see Eds response to my question below this thread.

But, this is a good video to explain the Sun and Moon, the seasons etc on a Flat Earth/ Dome model.


4.) 21 Jan 2020 18:04:53
When you say you saw the curvature from a plane. Did you actually make a conscious point of looking for it or was it a case of remembering that you saw it?

Only reason I ask is that once, many moons ago, I was training to be a skydiver. So throwing myself out of a plane at 5000ft+ was a normal regular occurrence back then. But I never consciously looked for a curve, I just think I remember one or even I don't recall at all (is it the mandela effect?, not sure) . So, because I am not sure, I have put it down to not seeing it and now I have to actively seek it on purpose. Hope that makes sense. Question everything including your own mind.

Also, If you have the time, AJH, this is well worth a watch. Should have most of the answers and more for you to think about.

200 Proofs Earth is Not a Spinning Ball

{Ed033's Note - Remember Southern Monkey, the windows on airplanes are curved to some degree which simulate some Earth curvature, like the fish eye lenses they use to intentionally simulate Earth curvature.


5.) 21 Jan 2020 18:50:27
Q4. Why do stars in the night sky not stay on the same place. Are they moving or is the Earth moving?

A4. The Earth is fixed, not moving not rotating. The luminaries we call stars (which may not be suns, but could be plasma?) move.

See the video in the below thread at timestamp 21 Jan 2020 13:26:21.



Q5. I've watched sunrises and sunsets, is it the Sun moving or the Earth?

A5. The Earth doesn't move. The Sun moves away from you until you can't see it anymore, then it moves towards you until you can see it again.

The Sun does not set, but fades out of view




Q6. Similar question, why does the sun start in the East and finish in the West?

A6. If you know the current Flat Earth model or have downloaded the Flat Earth Sun, Moon & Zodiac Clock app, it shows the movement of the Sun and the Moon


6.) 21 Jan 2020 19:34:10
Yes. That had slipped my mind, Ed.
Think half my brains gone on strike today in protest of the amount of info its received of late. Poor ol' monkey can peddle fast enough.
I Had a flip through the Fomenko book (more doorstop and this is just vol 1) which just turned up today, and the level of research is astounding! to the point where I am not even sure I'll be able to understand it without a lifetime of research myself.

Guess that journey starts now. I need to try and have days where i just study that and nothing else, to give myself a chance. I did note early in the book he references Newtons book "The chronology of Ancient Kingdoms". So I will delve into that first as it is a more regular sized book! haha.

P.S there are many diagrams in Fomenko's book which are not easy to interpret without reading the book (I speculate they will be easier) . But it does seem it would be possible to draw up a timeline of events once I get my head round it.

{Ed033's Note - Yes, Fomenko's entire info would take a lifetime to go through and comprehend i would imagine, that's why we don't have a concise version of it from anyone else i think.


7.) 21 Jan 2020 19:16:17
Q7. If the Earth is flat and non rotating, how do we have day and night, and different seasons?

A7. Day and night are covered in previous videos. Seasons are covered in the below video, Seasons disprove the globe video:


8.) 21 Jan 2020 19:44:34
Q8. What is the Moon’s relationship to the Earth if the Earth is flat? Does it orbit and if so, how?

A8. The Earth doesn't move, the Moon moves above us. The Moon moves towards us and away from us:

The Moon over a Earth video:






Q9. When I fly on a plane, I can see what appears to be the curvature of the Earth, why is this?

A9. There could more than 1 reason for this, the main one being; the windows in planes are curved, which give some apparent curvature to the Earth.

Also, the light rays could appear to our eyes/brain to bend slightly due to refraction as you look through the layers of air from you into the distant horizon. Meaning you see curvature where no actual curvature exists.


9.) 21 Jan 2020 20:40:05
Kudos to you for your work today, Ed. Hope Tony spends the time reading/ watching the answers to his questions. I Hold his opinion quite highly on the MU pages and comes across as balanced and thoughtful. Be good to have another open mind on here to discuss / question the truth.

{Ed033's Note - Yes, and this site is not just about the Flat, non rotating Earth as Russia, CIA, NASA and the US Military assume it is based on their documents.


 

 

 

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04 Aug 2021 20:56:36
I’m really not searching, I didn’t quote facts because we’d be here all day and it’s clear you don’t believe facts. There are so many pictures of the Earth but apparently this is a global cover up, it’s all CGI blah blah blah.

Looking at the language you use to insult me confirms you are all very touchy and nobody answered my main point' is David Icke the best you’ve got?

We will never agree, enjoy your alternate reality, I’ll stick to the football pages.

AJH

 

 

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01 Aug 2021 18:15:22
I know people who have died form this C.V., I also know people who have been seriously ill with it. If this kind of video was on any mainstream social media platform it would be removed.

David Icke is a wild conspiracy theorist who suggested he was the son of God and who things the Royal family are lizards, is this the best you’ve got?

I know I shouldn’t read this page as it drives me potty, the absolute nonsense and wild theories on here are staggering, and easily influenced people will believe some of this nonsense. If you want to believe the Earth is flat then knock yourself out, but to tell people not to have a vax that could stop them being seriously ill is irresponsible.

Yes yes, I am one of the sheeple, you will nod you head sagely and feel sorry for me because everyone on here is enlightened. The reality is there is something missing in your lives that means you clutch at these nonsensical theories to fill the void. Having silly fun is fine, telling people something that is killing people isn’t real is not.

AJH

{Ed033's Note - AJH, people have died and people have been ill with something, but it's not a computer simulated 'Virus'. You mean, you know people who tested positive using a fake test?

It's sad that people are getting seriously ill and have died of something. Some of it early on was with the Midazolam scandal. Most of it is Seasonal Flu/Pneumonia as usual, some of it is dying of something else within 28 days of testing positive with the fake test and some of it is unknown.

No one can show there is a 'Pandemic' because the overall death numbers for 2020 were not much different for the last 5 years.

You haven't watched this video. In fact, you don't watch any videos on here.

I presume you think the Yellow Card and VAERS systems are "silly fun" as well?

Why don't you put us all out of our misery and come up with one thing on Earth where we have to account for curvature and one thing on Earth where we have to account for Earth's spin/movement?


 

 

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22 Jan 2020 17:45:18
I get that Ed, I'm going to keep popping on here.

AJH

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22 Jan 2020 16:15:46
Ok, the moon is bright as it is reflecting the Sun's light but as we all know, it is nothing like sunlight, it is a lot fainter, that’s why it doesn’t light up the whole sky. But in a similar vein, on a sunny day you can look into the distance and see dark clouds.

You can find an argument in everything.

AJH

{Ed033's Note - This is why there should be definitive answers, but there aren't in my opinion and other people's as well.


 

 

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21 Jan 2020 10:47:16
I'm open to debate, listen, learn, and challenge, but some theories do not deserve discussion as they are just so 'out there'

AJH

{Ed033's Note - No AJH, we've been programmed all of our lives to keep our minds in a tiny box. I will answer your Flat Earth questions (from a previous post of yours) in a while. It is important to watch videos on here to begin with to break your mind of the programming.


 

 

 

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