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01 Feb 2020 11:10:12
One quick question for people who think the heliocentric model and all that goes with it is real is, where did all the water on Earth come from originally?

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01 Feb 2020 15:49:18
Kuiper Belt and Oort cloud are the most likely candidates. The most widely used and believed theory is that it all came from comet impacts, there is a lot of evidence to suggest this.
It's not conclusive and it's something that they've been trying to get a definitive answer for quite a while now.

There is also another theory that was gathering pace a few months ago, that suggested our planet got it's water from a major collision with another planet. That planet being the hypothetical "Theia" which smashed into us a few billion years ago. This collision is also widely believed to be the reason our moon formed too.

youtube.com/watch?v=RB5eUdHub8M

{Ed033's Note - Thanks for the response hsf, it would be good to get to the bottom of this because we are talking about a huge amount of water here.

I'm not a mainstream space guy, but there seems to be a few questions to ask.

Comets?:

1. Don't you think the water/ice on the comets would be vaporised in the atmosphere before reaching the ground of Earth?

2. How did the water get onto the comets?

3. How many comets would it take to fill up the Earth with water?

4. How did the comets know when to stop bringing water here after the Earth was full up with water?

5. How do the comets know to come to Earth?

6. Where is the water originally created?


Another planet?:

7. How did this hypothetical "Theia" get water on it in the first place?

8. If the water flew off hypothetical "Theia" into space wouldn't it instantaneously freeze in space?

9. How did the water get through the atmosphere without being vaporised?

10. According to the heliocentric model, wouldn't Earth still be molten rock a few billion years ago?

11. Wouldn't gravity on the other planet keep the water on the other planet?

12. If gravity can't hold water onto the sides of the planet, wouldn't the water have already been sucked off by the vacuum of space?


There's probably loads of other questions if people thought about it.

01 Feb 2020 17:33:34
At this point in time I am pretty sure you will only get conjecture as answers for all these questions.

They only thing that I can say is fact, is how they try to figure out where the water came from.

They use a deuterium/ hydrogen isotopic ratio. Water from comets have 3 times the ratio of Earths water, which is why they think it came from the asteroids which have a similar ratio to that of Earths.

Every theory for these questions would be so hard to prove or even disprove. Make's me think of that quote from Tesla.

01 Feb 2020 17:45:32
These are all fair questions Ed. Some of them likely don't have definitive answers as of yet.

1). The water would likely vapourise on impact yes, however Earths gravity would stop the gas phase water from leaving our planet and it would end up being stored in the atmosphere. Over millions of years the planet would be showered with intense rains, eventually forming oceans.
Water can also be stored in the mantle on a molecular level, so not all of the it would be vapourised on impact, but instead forced into and absorbed by the mantle.

2). Supernova. During a stars life time it's core is fusing atoms to create new atoms, the older the star the heavier the atoms being fused. In the beginning, the stars will fuse atoms to create light elements such as hydrogen and helium, toward the stars end, it will be creating heavy elements such as Iron and Gold. When the stars core has "filled up" so to speak, it succumbs to it's gravity and goes supernova. This releases all of the fused atoms out into space at 99% the speed of light and creates giant nebulae that span light years across. It's within these nebulae that everything is formed. Stars, asteroids, planets, comets and moons.

3). Lots, that's the only way to put it. The standard model suggests that during the "proto" phase of the solar system, every single planet that formed was finding it's correct orbital path in relation to other planets. During this time the Oort cloud and Kuiper Belt were disturbed by huge gravitational forces like Jupiter and Neptune, this caused large volumes of comets to come inward towards the Sun.
Using the Moon as evidence (based on crator impacts), it's thought that we were hit with thousands of comets in a few million years.

4). The comets stopped bombarding us once the orbital paths of the gas giants were settled. The best way to explain this is to show you a simulation of a solar system formation.
This video is from the California Academy of Sciences, and shows how we believe solar systems are formed.
youtube.com/watch?v=yXq1i3HlumA

5). Can be explained via the solar system formation simulation above.

6). Inside a Stars core. See #2

7). I've not looked into the Theia hypothesis too much, but I did read that it was thought to be an ocean world. So that could mean it formed in a Hydrogen and Oxygen rich area of a solar system. As those are the two atoms needed to make water.
However, that would just be using my own logic as I haven't looked into it.

8). Yes, some of it would. The Earth used to have rings around it, much like Saturn did, and we still do have a very, very faint ring around us. This was caused by the collision between Earth and Theia, with large amounts of rock, ice and mantle being ejected into space, then coalescing in our orbit due to gravity and forming the Moon. Which by the way has large deposits of water ice, as well as an iron core.
Samples of Moon rock taken from the Moon showed that the composition of the Moon is almost identical to Earth, which means it must have been a part of Earth at some point.

9). Large amounts of it would have been vaporised. But it's an enormous body of water that's bound to a rocky planet estimated to be between Mars and Venus in size.
Comets are an example of water making it through the atmosphere and they are much smaller in size.

10). Yes, Earth was more or less a molton ball of rock during its early stages, it took a billion or so years for it to cool down enough to form a crust over the mantle.
Funnily enough, it's thought that the first moment life could appear on the planet, it did. Which bodes well for people who believe we're not alone in the universe.

11). Yes, but Theia was obliterated on impact and Earth is a bigger volume of mass, so has stronger gravity.

12). I'm not sure if I'm understanding the question properly, is this a follow on question to #11? If so, then it being obliterated would explain why it couldn't hold it's water.

{Ed033's Note - Ok, thanks a lot for the replies.

01 Feb 2020 22:39:10
hsf. You very well 'educated'. Have you any personal experiences on these matters? or is it all spoon fed?

{Ed033's Note - You mean very well schooled.

If you just take question 1 of mine, In the heliocentric model there is no way any water at any time can get through the atmosphere to the surface of Earth because the atmosphere constantly burns everything up/vaporises it.

02 Feb 2020 07:49:57
They will just say. " Back then, there was no atmosphere to burn off the water" as they park the Delorean out back.

{Ed033's Note - good point

02 Feb 2020 07:57:35
"10). Yes, Earth was more or less a molton ball of rock during its early stages, it took a billion or so years for it to cool down enough to form a crust over the mantle"

A very definitive answer, hsf. So can you explain why there are polonium 218 halos frozen inside of the granite? As polonium 218 isotopes only have a half life of 3 minutes. If granite took 'billions or so years for it to cool' they simple would not be there.

02 Feb 2020 12:16:49
I prefer to call it educating myself rather than being spoon fed. I didn't learn this at school or college, I took the time to research it all myself because I'm an enormous nerd at heart. I use a combination of my own logic and the evidence that's put in front of me to decide whether I think it's true or not. I don't just blindly follow whatever NASA or which ever governing body is in charge says.

I don't know what you mean by "personal experience". I can only assume it's a rhetorical or sarcastic question, as clearly I'm not an astronaut and I'm not old enough to have witnessed the creation of the universe, obviously.

Also I know nothing of Polonium 218, I did quickly look up what you were referring too, but didn't find anything to answer your question. I will have a look a bit later and see if I can come up with anything that might explain it.

02 Feb 2020 19:00:01
Look, hsf. Firstly I want to apologise for a comment made below somewhere. "it's not like i was expecting to actually learn anything from hsf. ".

I am still bitter from a conversation with an 'engineer' that said my thoughts are worthless, for he has been trained. I am sure you understand why? (still no excuse)

This has however flowed into our conversation and turned me in to some what of a hypocrite and for that I am sorry. Although we may disagree on things, this does not subtract from the value of your opinion.

OK, now that's out there. By personal experience I mean have you learnt any of this first hand, through your own experiences or are you excepting what you are told? . I know with the above questions this would be hard, I was generalising really.

You remember when Ed ask if we wanted the Space/ Astro page? . I was as excited as you about space and the new missions and all the amazement they find. (planet size diamonds, a possible Dyson sphere, vampire stars etc etc) .

I have always struggled believing the Moon landings and Apollo missions, there was a lot of stuff I had seen that suggested the possibility of it being fake. Then Ed mention or rather posted a video by Bart Sibrel showing NASA and the Apollo astronauts faking being half way to the Moon. And this fake shot is the same as the picture of the Earth from the Moon. It was used in textbooks etc and its fake. Why fake it when you have been to the Moon? . You just wouldn't fake it.

NASA and other space agencies have launched countless equipment in to space to the outer planets that they could have used to take a full view picture of the Earth. But they haven't. They have photoshopped 2d data over a globe model and then make it look pretty. Why? .

Then we have the whole Van Allen belt problem, which NASA still hasn't figured out how to get a human past it. All except the Apollo crews, that is. Probably because 1960's bacofoil had some very peculiar properties, especially when it comes to deflecting solar radiation and comic rays.

I am not even sure we have got a craft of any sort past the VA belts if I am honest, so that put's everything in the 'space' category in to question. Things that reinforce this logic is when MS science women ( I forget her name) start putting out videos saying "the air around the Earth is millions of degrees hot, and that's fact".

I eave it at that for now as this, is turning out to be an essay and i don't want to delete it out of this tiny box, which I have done before.

P. S. Please don't think 1960's bacofoil has any special properties. This was sarcasm. :)

03 Feb 2020 12:01:38
That's fine SM, we all have our bad days.

I won't deny there are cover ups a plenty in the world, but I personally just don't see the Moon landing being one of them. The major holes in the mainstream view of the Moon landing can all be explained. But a lot of the things that can't be explained, don't really hold enough weight to say "it was faked". That's just my personal view of course.

The VA belts are interesting, Mr. VA himself did indeed say that it would be impossible to sustain life in these belts, but that quote was actually cherry picked. The entire statement is referring to a 2 year manned mission in the VA belt, to which he said it's impossible. He has never said it's impossible to pass through them, just it's impossible to sustain life in the belts. He also publicly denounced the conspiracies about the VA belts killing the astronauts.
Here is a link to an e-mail conversation with James van Allen himself, talking about the belts.
forum.cosmoquest.org/archive/index.php/t-3885.html

The thing with radiation it's all about the length of time spent within an irradiated area. A good example is Chernobyl, you can drive through Chernobyl in a car wearing shorts and t-shirt, without developing any issues due to radiation exposure.

Me personally, I'm looking for anything to show signs of Alien life. So things like HD 101065 (Przybylski's Star), which is a star that has plutonium with in it's spectrum, are fascinating to me. Same with KIC 8462852 (Tabby's star), which had strange dimming patterns and the mainstream media went into a frenzy, claiming it was a dyson sphere.

As much as I find some conspiracies entertaining, I just find the stuff I listed in the previous paragraph far more interesting.

03 Feb 2020 21:26:06
I am just going to repeat a section of my previous post, because it was one of the main things that really got me to see my views now.

"NASA and other space agencies have launched countless equipment in to space to the outer planets that they could have used to take a full view picture of the Earth. But they haven't. They have photoshopped 2d data over a globe model and then make it look pretty. Why? . "

I admit I need to do some proper research to know exact figures on the VA belts, and I do understand what you are saying regarding radiation. I am not sure it's a valid argument though. I don't know enough on the subject.

Wasn't the VA belts supposed to be 10,000 times higher than normal because of a solar flare at the time of the lunar missions?

And why have we got NASA saying that we need to overcome the problem of the VA belts before humans can travel through it? .

They say they have been to the Moon with 1960's tech, but have lost all the data and now need to figure out how to get past the VA belts when we are in 2020? Come on, none of it adds up.

31 Jan 2020 00:44:49
A thought experiment:

Regardless of the argument, If you are faced with a choice to chose a side but both sides have different opinions that do not mix.

One side is a few like minded people.

The other has control over teachings, news, social media, laws, medical, science, politics, finance, land, air, space? / firmament?

Which side will you choose?

{Ed033's Note - As the control side seems to lie about everything, i choose the few side.

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31 Jan 2020 21:46:41
Yep. If you have all the control, you have all the power.

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men. " - John Dalberg-Acton.

01 Feb 2020 16:23:19
You can spin that kind of arguement any way you want. Here is a good example of doing it.

Who would you rather vote for to run the country? An alcoholic who is prone to domestic abuse, as well as smoking 60 a day.
Or a vegan who loves animals and doesn't drink or smoke?

If you picked the 2nd one, well congrats you picked Hitler over Churchill. In these kind of things you have to list everything, you can't just cherry pick one good thing from the "woke" side and then list 10 bad things for the mainstream view. That's called confirmation bias.

{Ed033's Note - That's pretty funny.

01 Feb 2020 17:48:53
OK, fair point, but I think you missed mine? . I basically meant that, the people who have control over everything get to choose what the answers are, regardless of whether they are right or wrong (in the greater picture) .

The thing is, you have to dig around, out of the MS slant on things, to find out these facts about Churchill and Hitler. And if you dig deeper enough you actually start to piece together the truth and not the MS 'spin'.

I guess I tried and failed to compact what I was thinking, into the original OP, so people would understand. It appeared obvious to me, but you more than likely think in a different way. So wouldn't be so clear.

{Ed033's Note - The mainstream people can't think like the open minded people. They can only repeat things they've heard from the mainstream.

01 Feb 2020 22:41:25
Yeah. it's not like i was expecting to actually learn anything from hsf. I have the power to regurgitate too.

01 Feb 2020 22:56:25
The fact that people argue religiously about 'scientific' facts they have been told, boggles the mind.

hsf.

if a million people said/ believe one thing.

and one person said/ believes in another.

Who is right?


hsf.
There is no right answer to this. It just depends on who is right. But surely the people with control are right?! .

Are you catching my drift now? or will a wet fish never wake you?

{Ed033's Note - mainstream people have to wake themselves up.

30 Jan 2020 21:20:07
Flat Earth You've Been Framed!

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30 Jan 2020 07:34:09
Dave Paulides - Missing 411 Interview - weird / impossible cases of missing people especially children.

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30 Jan 2020 21:31:32
I just watched the documentary 'Missing 411' and I can't imagine what these families are going through.

Its one thing that a nation park wouldn't keep any sort of record on people that go missing within its boundaries and then want to charge over $1,000,000 to release the files, they don't have? . But for the FBI not to consider that a child that has gone missing under these circumstances, would not be linked to any sort of criminal activity is quite frankly shocking! .

{Ed033's Note - The more you listen to David Paulides the more weird it gets and as he said there are no answers. I posted to an interview on here before where people go missing in urban areas:

Missing 411: Urban Disappearances.

29 Jan 2020 21:09:13
Ancient Buildings and People of Japan.

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30 Jan 2020 00:00:31
How hard would it be to change the history of a nation?

In today's age, I would say quite hard what, with social media, the internet and general connectivity to everything.

50-100 years ago is a whole, other matter and the further you go back, even easier to achieve. It does make you think. Well, at least it does, me. It was different back then.

Sadly, the Fomenko books are not something you can read in 20-30min sections. It needs large chunks of time to digest/ study/ research, to understand on the level that I like to understand. Hopefully I can do that soon. It does all seem linked to a few of your recent post with tartarian/ tartary history which appears to be unwanted parts that don't comply with the MSBS.

{Ed033's Note - It would be much easier if there was a huge catastrophe such as a flood. I have put up example videos that people are calling 'mud flood' before (These 'mud flood' examples seem to be worldwide). Then they implement a 'reset' and make up a fake history of the area.

What probably happened is that there was a huge flood over most of the world and a giant 'reset' took place. There may have been multiple 'resets' in the past.

30 Jan 2020 08:42:05
Yeah the 'mud flood' videos you posted are quite compelling. Think you got me on to the channel 'Wise Up' on YT? . His videos made a lot of sense and it does look like solidified mud/ ash (forming a type of concrete) covering buildings etc.

Its trying to get this one into perspective that's difficult. I think I am right in saying that every religion has it's own version of a 'Great Flood'? . And this would all tie in with the 'petrified giant tree' theory (which has made me see nothing but trees every time I look at a mountain, now, if I'm honest) .

Then we have the 'petrified Titans' and the very thorough research done by the channel you refer to on a particular mountain. The fact these people/ channels show you why they think what they do, rather than telling what is so. To me, makes it all the more convincing. It's just such a mind blowing topic.

{Ed033's Note - Wise Up is probably correct and makes sense with the ash. Yes it seems that hills can also be slag heaps from the past, but hills and mountains i think are petrified fauna and flora, with almost of it being petrified giant trees.

The Stellium7 yt channel showing the stone that anyone would have to come to the conclusion is a petrified heart with the MUDFOSSILS - The HEART of the Matter - Part 1. and the unveiling a titan series which shows a mountain is a giant petrified elephant.

If people don't think mountains are petrified giant trees then they can take a look at the hangman1128 yt channel and watch the original forest on flat earth videos.

30 Jan 2020 21:39:53
My brother, who calls me a 'Unicorn hunter', saw some of hangman1128's videos and said "they really do actually look like trees! ".

It's amazing how people (myself included) cannot see what is right in front of their eyes, because they aren't looking for it.

{Ed033's Note - You can tell him you found it now - picture below it's called unicorn nebula:

30 Jan 2020 23:00:08
Haha. I am surprised I haven't heard of that.

As I have said before, I have dabbled in astro-photography and even tough I still don't know what I am looking at, I still amaze in its wonder.

This is a link to someone I know that compiled a 400 hour exposure. I can go into the actual specs but they aren't needed. Basically if you print this to actual size it would be 8 metres tall.

Wide view of Orion: (or the Firmament in all its glory?)

29 Jan 2020 20:09:03
Space Fails proof of deception.

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30 Jan 2020 00:02:29
Not seen the 1962 footage before, is that for real? . haha did the guy who was supposed to be the 'face on the moon', forget to come to work that day?

{Ed033's Note - The question is whether in the 1960s, people would think that video is real. It's likely the fakers of it, realised they need to do better.

Will people in 50 years time, look at the current space cgi and know it's fake?

28 Jan 2020 22:42:20
Top 10 Reasons Why Greta Thunberg Is A Fraud?

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28 Jan 2020 21:46:13
"I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing." - Plato.

It's amazing how many like-minded people that wrongly tell me what I am trying to portrait, because they being conspiratorial too, know it all already. And miss what I am trying to tell them. Again falling back on the mainstream BS

The people that were awakened are falling back asleep. Are they not? .

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29 Jan 2020 21:04:42
Yes, probably some can't continue past a certain point.

30 Jan 2020 00:14:55
I got to that point around 2 months ago. Then just let go of everything I have 'been taught' and started looking for myself. Very strangely everything, on the whole, seem to make, much more sense (or what I knew made more nonsense)

I was one of the few that asked you to start the 'Space and Astrophysics' page. I can't bring myself to study that at this time. Too many things I have seen make that seem pointless until other questions are answered. Consequently, my humble book collection has taken a very, vivid turn in direction.

{Ed033's Note - It seems they've lied to us about everything we can think of and all we can do is think and investigate things ourselves.

28 Jan 2020 20:33:34
This was deleted pretty quick from the FE group on GAB. I don't know why because I haven't the energy to check right now. Can I post it here to remind me? .

Truth hides from no questions. So why delete? I will try and look tomorrow.

Catalog of Earth Satellite Orbits

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29 Jan 2020 08:27:42
As far as I am concerned there is no new info here that I did not already know. There is nothing that proves anything. I did like how they kept the same clouds for different times of day, on each perfect sphere Earth picture, when explaining a geostationary orbit. Only to later go on to explain how the Earth isn't a perfect sphere.

{Ed033's Note - It's amazing how they show the Earth as a perfect sphere and then mainstream story tellers say it's not a perfect sphere.

I guess if you ask them about this discrepancy, the'll say the Earth is photoshopped as a perfect sphere to make it look pretty?

But how would any of the mainstream people saying the Earth is not a perfect sphere explain the image of the Earth from Apollo 11 half way to the moon and what about any image of the Earth taken allegedly on the Moon?

Why do they have to 'Photoshop' the Earth, is it because as Presidents and NASA people have said, that they are stuck in "low Earth orbit"?

29 Jan 2020 19:54:54
The fact that, they have to 'Photoshop' the Earth suggest to me that it is not just humans they can not get through the VA belts/ Dome? / Firmament? it is satellites too as why wouldn't they have taken a photo of the Earth in full view?

{Ed033's Note - Yes, i think the satellites are attached to high altitude balloons

28 Jan 2020 09:44:54
Hi ya lads,

I was told that ed033 is the guy big on conspiracy theories and all so here goes.

In regards to the recent outbreak of the Corona virus in China there are many theories and ideas floating about on how it happened. And one that I found quite interesting to hear about was that the "virus" was begin used/ prepared by China to weaponise it for wars and all and a mishap during the process lead to this current fiasco.


So what say you guys?
Just interested on your take.

{Ed033's Note - I don't know. We have seen that recently China had a swine flu outbreak where they had to destroy millions of pigs. The main meat eaten in China is pigs. Did a foreign agency intentionally let out a weaponised swine flu or was it a natural outbreak?

In the past, we've seen all over the world that government agency drills have been turned into real events, such as 9/11, 7/7 and lots of others.

Did the Chinese government think that if the recent swine flu outbreak was an outside agency, they should run drills to prepare for a human virus outbreak and were the drills turned real by a foreign agency?

It's no secret that China is preparing for a hot war with America/NATO so part of that would mean experimenting with weaponised pathogens. Did they let it accidentally escape or did a foreign agency intentionally let the same weaponised pathogen that they knew the Chinese were working on out?

Is there a powerful world group saying to China that China is not doing 100% exactly what they want China to do?

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28 Jan 2020 10:57:13
Well most reports seem to imply that the virus originated from one of a few different animals, mainly Bat meat/ soup, Fox meat and snake meat have been the most covered news mainly by the mainstream foreign agencies. It also said it originated from a live seafood market. Conspiracy theories thrown hither and yonder it is.

Now don't you start scaring me with those war talks. 😂.

28 Jan 2020 15:45:51
Did Bill Gates & World Economic Forum Predict Coronavirus Outbreak?

26 Jan 2020 20:20:36
A David Irving talk about his book - Churchill's War

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28 Jan 2020 10:24:51
Really good video Southern Monkey, thanks for posting.

28 Jan 2020 15:10:20
David Irving - Smear Campaigns To Stifle Truth In History

26 Jan 2020 18:28:11
Tycho Crater shows that the Moon is not 238,900 miles away?

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26 Jan 2020 14:50:32
Part 1 of Skeletons in the Cupboard series - When the Maori first arrived in New Zealand other people were already there.

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25 Jan 2020 22:14:38
From Major Jordan's Diary - America gave any and all info, money and resources to the Soviet Union in the 1940s so they could build atomic missiles and rebuild the USSR.

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25 Jan 2020 13:23:33
Banks don't lend money.

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26 Jan 2020 09:20:30
Strangely enough I only found out about 'The Crown' of 'The City of London', last week whilst researching Fomenko related 'history'.

I discovered this City of London page.

The thing that has become apparent to me is whenever I look into ANY 'conspiracy' the age old name of Rothschild always appears.

{Ed033's Note - You don't want to be saying that word, look at what happened recently to Port Vale forward, Tom Pope. :)

Pope was asked in a tweet to predict the result of WW3. He replied, "We invade Iran then Cuba then North Korea then the Rothchilds (sic) are crowned champions of every bank on the planet."

26 Jan 2020 16:19:13
Maybe edit that to say Batman instead then, Ed? . Although I was only stating a fact unlike Pope who was predicting the inevitable.

This is why I was (or rather wasn't) saying what I did on another post on here the other day.

Things I'd like to discuss. But can you?

{Ed033's Note - None of us can discuss anything outside of the mainstream narrative.



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