Conspiracy Talk 19

19 Jan 2020 18:50:33
American Moon documentary examines the authenticity of the photographic record of NASA's Apollo missions.

19 Jan 2020 15:49:35
Just watched the spacex in-flight abort test. And that amazing stuff, liquid oxygen with a boiling point of -183C, is seen rising all around the rocket shaped structure, straight into the air again.

Around the 17 min mark

If anyone would care to explain why something that cold goes up in mid-day air, I'd love to hear from you.

{Ed033's Note - In my opinion, 21 miunutes 'fake Blue marble' video in background with cgi rocket part falling away

And afterwards, why is the right hand screen low res?

19 Jan 2020 17:29:57
How are nasa supposed to afford hi-res on their budget, Ed?

{Ed033's Note - It's SpaceX, Obviously they couldn't make it look real enough in hi-res, so they blurred it out so you can't see the cgi faking.

19 Jan 2020 18:02:40
Sorry. Spacex, sure you realise it was sarcasm anyway. haha

Why can't they for once put a side-view cam on any launch?

{Ed033's Note - Magician tricks, watch the left hand while the right hand does something else. IMO, what we see with SpaceX is people reading scripts, fake videos with cgi and all that same fake cheering in the background, while something else happens that we don't see.

18 Jan 2020 11:16:20
1,000 years missing in our history? Very interesting if you can get past the first 21 minuets. Although, there is still some good info from Michael Tsarion in the first 21 minutes.

18 Jan 2020 19:00:58
Thanks for the OP, I think this is a better avenue of research, for now, rather than ancient languages that may or may not have been altered, with timelines that don't appear to match.

I was beginning to think Newton was a shill, what with that pesky apple! But what, with his book. Guess that puts things into question. Unless the apple incident was post-book? Maybe taken into the cult and forced to reinforce lies, after?

I'll read Newtons and Fomenko's books and start delving into this properly, from there. Hoping they have references!

Any idea what the lady means when she talks about "the book of valis"?

{Ed033's Note - Personally, I don't trust Newton because he made errors, but he was going to anyway, because he was relying on incorrect info.

It would be good if someone could go through the Fomenko books and try to produce a coherent, understandable, simple timeline in english if that is even possible.

Never heard of the book of valis before so can't help you.

18 Jan 2020 21:12:43
I'm guessing the Fomenko book (s) (just vol 1 for now) will be a hard read, Ed. A lot of his work if not all is based on astronomy, so to check in to things accurately, will probably involve some pretty complex mathematics. I speculate though. I'll just have to wait and see.

You can be assured any knowledge or insight I can gain from said books, will be passed on.

As for book of valis. All I can find is Valis (SF MASTERWORKS) by Phillip K Dick. Does that name ring any bells? (no pun intended)

{Ed033's Note - Yes, Phillip K Dick is a science fiction writer. Blade Runner was based on Philip K. Dick's Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep book.

The Fomenko Book History Fiction or Science? Chronology 1 can be downloaded as pdf, epub or kindle legally and for free from internet archive

19 Jan 2020 07:00:42
Do you think, that is who she is referring too? . A lot of the reviews on that book said it wasn't really Scifi. And it was all I could find with "valis".

Thanks for the pdf link, Ed. Appreciated. I did find that. But, still, I have brought the 1st volume as I like hard copies to make notes in. If I find they're something I can interpret, I would probably get the remaining (4/ 5?) volumes on pdf as it will get pretty expensive otherwise.


I started to read and research this Velikovsky book supplement last night but got too late. Was very interesting what I read so far.

Earth In Upheaval

{Ed033's Note - Is "valis" the correct spelling? I would think the book she's referring to is an older text.

Her name is Sylvie Iwanova or Sylvie Ivanova. It seems the only way to contact her is using this Ask question page

Thanks for the Velikovsky link, Southern Monkey

19 Jan 2020 13:21:05
"valis" was what the uploader's (and creator of the video? ) subtitles said, but that could be down to interpretation? . Usually, search engines throw up the correct spelling or what you think you are looking for. Funnily there was nothing this time! . Like I said, that was the only book I could find. I did expect it to be an older text / book too.

I'll try and touch base with her. She sounds very knowledgeable so let's hope I can get hold of her and acquire some good info.

Thanks as always, Ed.

{Ed033's Note - ok thanks. She is one to look into further for sure.

21 Jan 2020 08:38:02
OK, so it turns out it's the "Book of Veles". An apparent "literary forgery" of ancient Slavic text with accounts dating from the 7th century BC to the 9th century AD.

Wikipedia on Veles

Here's a PDF version of Book of Veles

{Ed033's Note - ok, excellent Southern Monkey

17 Jan 2020 21:05:19
It appears that everyone knew Earth was flat in 1900?

17 Jan 2020 22:17:31
I've been a conspiracist for over 25 years now. But if you told me 2 months ago I would be starting to question the globe Earth theory (not that I would have called it that) and starting to really think about the possibility that, the Earth could be flat. I would say you were insane! .

What a difference a bit of time and open eyed research makes.

The facts are there and they add up, just a bitch of a pill to swallow. I think its because this is the pinnacle of all conspiracies. If its true, then basically pretty much everything we've been told is a lie. Literally everything.

{Ed033's Note - 2 months ago, you also thought macro evolution happened / happens.

We seem to be living inside a creation. This means there must be a creator or creators.

Also if the Antarctic ice wall is real, then it's likely that there is a program to explore beyond the Antarctic ice wall, which means there could be worlds and extra terrestrials beyond the Antarctic ice wall.

18 Jan 2020 08:49:48
Yes, it was watching that video on macro evolution that started this branch of investigations, for me. I started watching videos in a different way thanks to wise words from you. "If I watch a video and think 40% is true and 60% is false. After watching, I don't then go and think 100% is false". That really resonated with me. Almost as though it fried the switch in my brain that bulk-deleted things that rubbed the MS narrative up the wrong way. Weird, difficult to explain. Anyway, thanks, Ed! .

Back to the Antarctic ice wall. There is an old FE amp showing lands spread around and beyond the ice wall. Sheeple say its a hoax, but obviously they would. I did see an article about a guy who was planning a cross Antarctic trip, but I can't find it again, so I don't know if it was even real, let alone when it was supposed to happen.

These lands could even be where the elite reside? . ET's and that which I used to research a lot ( the Universe/ multi-verse/ QED etc) seem irrelevant at this moment. As I stated the FE/ dome theory has really put everything into question.

“Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. ”
― Nikola Tesla.

{Ed033's Note - When i said ETs, i meant extra terra; as in extra Earth. This would mean more Earthlings, but they could look different from us.

18 Jan 2020 11:07:39
Ahh. OK. Well put like that, then yes. They are very relevant and likewise, my thinking is of that ilk. Actually (with things clicking in to place), its very easy just to transition the "space alien" species such as the greys and reptilians, into extra-Earthers. And more importantly, as all of these are "humanoid" in their appearance. It would all make a lot more sense for them to be of this Earth.

{Ed033's Note - Yes, because if there is a Firmament above us and what we call stars are not suns with planets around them, but just unknown luminaries, then it's possible there is no outer space with stars and planets so where would outer space ETs come from if there is no outer space with stars and planets?

18 Jan 2020 12:53:28
Basically because of the last few months research and although the internet can be a great source of info, I have turned my eye to old texts/ scriptures. The older and unsullied the better. Which can be hard as everything is "revised" these days. I just want to expand my knowledge and get my own facts and insights. Funnily enough I'm waiting for an Ignatius Donnelly book form the late 1800's. Would have been apt had I already read this book, to add more to this conversation.

{Ed033's Note - Sounds like a good idea, but if you watch the video above this thread (1,000 years missing in our history?), you can see that old texts/ scriptures can also be dis info as well.

Old coins, old statues, old buildings, maybe the only place to get some true history. That's why they have been burning and tearing down old [Tartarian?] buildings.

18 Jan 2020 15:39:02
I have not watched that video yet, but I had thought about there being dis-info as well, which is why I wanted to get hold of un-revised editions. Not that I would believe everything I read, but you understand?

I have been thinking about trying to learn some of the old languages (Sanskrit, Egyptian, Hebrew, Tamil) so I could at least read the original scrolls and scripts. Possibly even learn cuneiform. But the same problem would exist. I doubt I would be able to transcribe any of it from scratch so I would need to trust the person/ book/ information that was teaching me to understand these languages/ writing systems. Again its the problem of knowing who or what to trust.

17 Jan 2020 19:50:54
Why Planes Don't Fly Over The Pacific DEBUNKED.

17 Jan 2020 14:38:13
Are some of the Stop 5G campaigners such as Mark Steele actually paid opposition, working for pro 5G companies. Does Mark Steele work for Horizon2020 to aid the 5G and LED lights agenda?

Allegedly, all of Mark Steele's court cases are mock training trials and never appear on the public record.

Is there going to be one worldwide international Stop 5G group created, which will be the only allegedly worthwhile go to, stop 5G / LED Lights / Smart Meters group, which will blow a lot of hot air, but do nothing as it is a controlled opposition group, so 5G / LED Lights / Smart Meters will get a free pass even if millions of people complain about 5G / LED Lights / Smart Meters once 5G is released en masse?

16 Jan 2020 17:03:43
MILITARY GEOENGINEERING SINCE 1946

{Ed033's Note - It's obvious that they intentionally want parts of Australia to burn (and other parts of the world) because if they didn't, why not seed clouds to rain over the fires?

What it means is whether they want to burn people away or flood people away, they can do it and most people are going to think it's 'climate change' and anyone who doesn't think that is a 'climate change denier'.

16 Jan 2020 18:22:25
You only have to look on the Manchester United page today to see how most, if not all, are asleep by saying all the Australian fires etc are climate change and being the MSBS's echo chamber.

Rather than start a rant on there and get called a retard by the narrow minded, I thought I would post here, this very well presented video filled with facts that show this sort of thing has been going on for decades.
But the sheep will stay asleep, nonetheless.

{Ed033's Note - Yes, it seems impossible to get through to the asleep ones, they have to wake themselves up somehow.

Yes, it's a really good video, thanks for submitting it.

16 Jan 2020 19:47:31
What do you make of the arson arrests in Australia?

{Ed033's Note - Who knows, because there are a few people about who love starting fires, so they might think they can get away with it now. They can then make a media spectacle of it as another main stream story. But, if no one gets caught starting a fire, you can pay agents to get caught starting fires and then later the police get a phone call from 'above' to let the agent go.

16 Jan 2020 23:55:25
p1, have you ever thought why all the videos you and Ed033 have linked, have now disappeared?

16 Jan 2020 16:20:49
Electric DEW Machine Guns, Death Ray Guns in 1800s. Forbidden Secret Technology and Inventions.

16 Jan 2020 11:25:48
Many Tartarian Amusement Parks; late 1800's US - Fun 'til they burnt them down.

15 Jan 2020 23:13:35
Maybe the video of air flight anomalies with regard to emergency landings. Which don't make sense on the globe, but do on the flat earth model may be worth posting again ed. If you have it to hand. Was quite a while ago when it was last posted.

{Ed033's Note - Yes, over 2 years ago it was posted on here, but still good nevertheless, thanks p1.

15 Jan 2020 23:11:42
Irrefutable Truth & Proof of Weather Wars On The Animals and People of Australia

15 Jan 2020 21:30:25
Max Igan - The Truth Whether You Like it Or Not.

15 Jan 2020 23:27:13
Some of this is pretty bizarre. Part 2 might give us some insight on the weird stuff he talked about.

15 Jan 2020 23:57:48
Yes. He released a 6 second video prior to this one just stating "The Earth is flat". This one seemed to be more of a apologetic video response to aplanetruth4u. (It is his video above this one) . So I am guessing whatever MI has seen/ read will be explained in part 2 as he didn't really go into anything in this. As in how he came to the "levels" theory conclusion and what happened in the last 6 days?

15 Jan 2020 21:17:22
2 round objects transit the moon.

{Ed033's Note - nice one, Southern Monkey

14 Jan 2020 16:32:02
Now this might just be me so maybe someone else could watch this. At 17m45 (watch from slightly before) literally just before the "staging" part of the launch, if you look at the island and surrounding ocean / sea the whole picture changes hue to a more whitish / blue wash across the whole picture.

Entering the firmament? - Have to switch to a different booster to travel through water rather than air?

Or switching to CGI?

Something changes and I am unsure as to what. Thoughts?

{Ed033's Note - At 17:45 there is the dual screen and this is where they introduce the fake Blue Marble video playing in the background on the right, which then becomes the main video for a while.

The dual screen part has CGI 'rocket parts' departing in both screens to try to convince us it's all real.

20:20 is funny as it looks like they have Blue Marble background video supposedly trying to show the 'underneath' of the 'Globe' (because it's in New Zealand)

24:43 is yet another different Blue Marble background video trying to show the 'Globe' in outer space.

14 Jan 2020 18:08:00
The dual screen comes in at 17m46/ 47. At exactly 17m45 just before it cuts to dual screen is where I was highlighting in OP. I would just like to know its not my eyes playing tricks. But I have seen the same thing on several videos of this.

Yeah its funny how they conveniently keep cutting to the launch centre after this point. Because surely when one watches a rocket launch they obviously want to see people starring at computer screens on the ground and not the rocket going into space? .

{Ed033's Note - i slowed it down to the slowest speed on youtube and didn't notice a colour change at 17m45, but i use warm (yellow tinge) colour on my screen so i don't see as much blue as blue light can keep you awake longer.

15 Jan 2020 07:04:59
OK, thanks for looking though, Ed. I may try a few screen captures later if I get time. Maybe that will help either, me unsee, or someone else see it. Cheers.

14 Jan 2020 07:14:35
The CIA, Russia, NASA and the U.S. Army: What Do They Really Know? - According to their documents, they assume a flat, nonrotating Earth?

{Ed033's Note - Excellent find, Southern Monkey.

15 Jan 2020 12:05:14
Sooooo, are you saying you think the Earth is flat?

{Ed033's Note - The CIA, Russia, NASA and the U.S. Army internal documents assume a nonrotating, flat Earth, but that is not the only evidence.

There are videos below that show it's likely that we've been lied to about probably most everything to do with Earth.

Might take a while to go through all the videos over this page and the previous few pages, but if you have an enquiring mind, you could take it one video at a time.

One of the problems with the 'Globe' is that people can zoom into objects that should be hidden behind the Earth's curvature with for instance a Nikon P900 camera. How can you always see an object that should be hidden by Earth's curvature?

Space agencies have been stuck in low Earth 'orbit', meaning that can't get above a certain altitude. They can't get to a high enough altitude to take an overall photo of the Earth, so they have to take photos of strips of land, then they take these strips and then they pay an artist (Robert Simmon) to use photoshop to place these strips of land onto a 'globe', then the artist adds in some clouds, adds in a 'hotspot' (sun reflecting off water) and he places a highlight around the 'globe' to simulate atmosphere.

Robert Simmon on how he created the Blue Marble

15 Jan 2020 15:51:44
So how come you can sail round the world? And what about the videos and photos from the space station?

{Ed033's Note - What's the difference between videos and photos from the space station and videos and photos from a Star Trek movie? Probably none in my opinion.

People can sail around the Earth in a circle, assuming the current flat Earth model is correct. here is a short video playlist for people to watch how Sun and Earth work:

15 Jan 2020 18:49:26
Tony, I know it all sounds and seems preposterous. Most things on these pages do, and it takes a lot to not just brush it off as such. But, like Ed said, if you are interested in finding out your own truths, the last few pages of videos on this site are worth watching with an open mind. I think you'll find most arguments against all of these subjects, that pop into your mind whilst watching, will be because you have been told otherwise, and the arguments are not coming from your own observations.

On this site we are just humble seekers of truth. What that truth actually is, I don't think any of us know for sure.

{Ed033's Note - Chris The Redman (CTR) was a poster on the Man United rumours site (and other sites) came on here for a bit, then he left to do his own research and came back on here saying the Earth was flat; so it can happen to anyone :)

15 Jan 2020 20:25:02
And didn't he just disappear? Found the edge? haha.

{Ed033's Note - I think CTR is busy doing his own thing.

15 Jan 2020 22:47:29
More research of the ilk that made him believe the Earth was flat? . I have seen a lot of stuff but would be interesting to know what changed his mind.

{Ed033's Note - Probably Eric Dubay as he seemed to be the mot outspoken guy talking about Flat Earth a few years ago.

200 Proofs Earth is Not a Spinning Ball (HD Remastered)