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22 Jan 2020 09:15:11
The European Space Agency are launching a new satellite soon called "Truth". To get an "absolute measurement" of reflected light off of the Earth's surface. It's to help the climate change agenda. I found this paragraph rather amusing so thought I'd share.

"The map should be of such exquisite quality that it's expected to become the standard reference against which all other imaging spacecraft will want to adjust and correct their own observations."

Get ready for Globe 3.0 people!

{Ed033's Note - Because of all the Globe skeptics and Apollo got to the Moon skeptics out there, at some point they are going to have to a huge campaign of some sort.

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21 Jan 2020 22:27:57
To avoid being persecuted this is just a simple thought process.

Suppose Hitler, Roosevelt and Churchill were on the same team. Team "elite".

FTW I lost my Great grandad in WW1 and my Grandad fought in WW2, both my parents were sent where ever was safe.

{Ed033's Note - Southern Monkey, did you watch on here before the long documentary called Adolf Hitler: The Greatest Story Never Told. It's 6 hours 30 mins long, but really worth it.

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21 Jan 2020 23:03:23
Ed, you really are a legend, mate. I'm sure not just in my world, at least, I hope not. Thanks, I will watch.

{Ed033's Note - See if this documentary breaks anymore of your programming :)

22 Jan 2020 10:26:28
It's a mind blowing video and well worth the time.

SM, did you know that apparently Stalin, Roosevelt and Churchill all admitted after WWII that they believed Hitler didn't die in 1945?

{Ed033's Note - The Nazis spent a lot of time and effort in Antarctica and then Admiral Byrd was sent down there after the war with a huge force possibly to finish off any Nazis there, but encountered a more technically advanced group there, which caused him to abandon the mission early and according to him, he found more land at least the size of America beyond Antarctica (video of him talking about this a few pages back).

22 Jan 2020 22:22:50
I didn't know that exact fact, Rian. But have been aware of the conspiracies of him not dying where and when it was portrayed. It amazing how many CIA investigations there, were trying to track him down, all the way into the 1970's.

I did watch a particularly well put together MS documentary recently called "Hunting Hitler". It was actually backed up by facts and very thorough investigative research rather than jumping to amazingly speculative conclusions from nowhere, like say " Ancient Aliens".

After 3 seasons they tracked him down to being in Argentina. It's worth a watch. Maybe he was on his way to an unknown region in Antarctica?

21 Jan 2020 13:35:13
I know I should probably let this go, but here goes. Mid the Earth is flat then I have a few questions.

1. Is the moon flat or round?
2. Along the same lines, how about the other planets in our solar system, flat or round?
3. Does the Earth move around the Sun or is it stationary?
4. Why do stars in the night sky not stay on the same place. Are they moving or is the Earth moving?
5. I’ve watched sunrises and sunsets, is it the Sun moving or the Earth?
6. Similar question, why does the sun start in the East and finish in the West?
7. If the Earth is flat and non rotating, how do we have day and night, and different seasons?
8. What is the Moon’s relationship to the Earth if the Earth is flat? Does it orbit and if so, how?
9. When I fly on a plane, I can see what appears to be the curvature of the Earth, why is this?

{Ed033's Note - If you had watched the videos under your previous questions, you would have known how the current Flat Earth model works and maybe answered some of your questions.

I offer answers for your consideration under this video (you might have to wait for all to be answered), but don't think that's the end of asking questions as we should all continue asking questions and my answers are not anything definitive either as this is an ongoing journey to get definitive answers one way or another.

It would be good if you would download the Flat Earth Sun, Moon & Zodiac Clock app from Google Play or the Iphone apple app store (unfortunately costs $2.99 but it's worth it imo.)

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21 Jan 2020 13:57:19
Q1. Is the moon flat or round?

A1. If you were to look at Earth from way above it, it might appear to be round, so the question is, Is the moon round or spherical?

One thing about the Moon, it can't be 235,000 miles away because we observe that when we can see Moon and clouds in the sky, only the few clouds nearest to the Moon are lit up by the Moon.

I could be incorrect, but from what i have observed, at the moment, i'll say spherical.

Moon photos taken at the same time from Scotland and Australia. How would this be possible on a globe?

21 Jan 2020 14:56:07
Q2. Along the same lines, how about the other planets in our solar system, flat or round?

A2. NASA and all space agencies have been stuck in low Earth orbit because there seems to be a crystal, watery barrier above us called the Firmament. The luminaries that are called stars are within the Firmament. I'm guessing the luminaries called planets are within the Firmament. At the moment i think spherical plasma. see video below of Mars zoomed in seen through Nikon P900:






Q3. Does the Earth move around the Sun or is it stationary?

A3. The Sun moves in circles (of increasing and decreasing diameter) above the fixed, non moving, non rotating Earth. (See Flat Earth Sun, Moon & Zodiac Clock app video above)

21 Jan 2020 17:37:08
AJH, As for star movements, see Eds response to my question below this thread.

But, this is a good video to explain the Sun and Moon, the seasons etc on a Flat Earth/ Dome model.

21 Jan 2020 18:04:53
When you say you saw the curvature from a plane. Did you actually make a conscious point of looking for it or was it a case of remembering that you saw it?

Only reason I ask is that once, many moons ago, I was training to be a skydiver. So throwing myself out of a plane at 5000ft+ was a normal regular occurrence back then. But I never consciously looked for a curve, I just think I remember one or even I don't recall at all (is it the mandela effect?, not sure) . So, because I am not sure, I have put it down to not seeing it and now I have to actively seek it on purpose. Hope that makes sense. Question everything including your own mind.

Also, If you have the time, AJH, this is well worth a watch. Should have most of the answers and more for you to think about.

200 Proofs Earth is Not a Spinning Ball

{Ed033's Note - Remember Southern Monkey, the windows on airplanes are curved to some degree which simulate some Earth curvature, like the fish eye lenses they use to intentionally simulate Earth curvature.

21 Jan 2020 18:50:27
Q4. Why do stars in the night sky not stay on the same place. Are they moving or is the Earth moving?

A4. The Earth is fixed, not moving not rotating. The luminaries we call stars (which may not be suns, but could be plasma?) move.

See the video in the below thread at timestamp 21 Jan 2020 13:26:21.



Q5. I've watched sunrises and sunsets, is it the Sun moving or the Earth?

A5. The Earth doesn't move. The Sun moves away from you until you can't see it anymore, then it moves towards you until you can see it again.

The Sun does not set, but fades out of view




Q6. Similar question, why does the sun start in the East and finish in the West?

A6. If you know the current Flat Earth model or have downloaded the Flat Earth Sun, Moon & Zodiac Clock app, it shows the movement of the Sun and the Moon

21 Jan 2020 19:34:10
Yes. That had slipped my mind, Ed.
Think half my brains gone on strike today in protest of the amount of info its received of late. Poor ol' monkey can peddle fast enough.
I Had a flip through the Fomenko book (more doorstop and this is just vol 1) which just turned up today, and the level of research is astounding! to the point where I am not even sure I'll be able to understand it without a lifetime of research myself.

Guess that journey starts now. I need to try and have days where i just study that and nothing else, to give myself a chance. I did note early in the book he references Newtons book "The chronology of Ancient Kingdoms". So I will delve into that first as it is a more regular sized book! haha.

P.S there are many diagrams in Fomenko's book which are not easy to interpret without reading the book (I speculate they will be easier) . But it does seem it would be possible to draw up a timeline of events once I get my head round it.

{Ed033's Note - Yes, Fomenko's entire info would take a lifetime to go through and comprehend i would imagine, that's why we don't have a concise version of it from anyone else i think.

21 Jan 2020 19:16:17
Q7. If the Earth is flat and non rotating, how do we have day and night, and different seasons?

A7. Day and night are covered in previous videos. Seasons are covered in the below video, Seasons disprove the globe video:

21 Jan 2020 19:44:34
Q8. What is the Moon’s relationship to the Earth if the Earth is flat? Does it orbit and if so, how?

A8. The Earth doesn't move, the Moon moves above us. The Moon moves towards us and away from us:

The Moon over a Earth video:






Q9. When I fly on a plane, I can see what appears to be the curvature of the Earth, why is this?

A9. There could more than 1 reason for this, the main one being; the windows in planes are curved, which give some apparent curvature to the Earth.

Also, the light rays could appear to our eyes/brain to bend slightly due to refraction as you look through the layers of air from you into the distant horizon. Meaning you see curvature where no actual curvature exists.

21 Jan 2020 20:40:05
Kudos to you for your work today, Ed. Hope Tony spends the time reading/ watching the answers to his questions. I Hold his opinion quite highly on the MU pages and comes across as balanced and thoughtful. Be good to have another open mind on here to discuss / question the truth.

{Ed033's Note - Yes, and this site is not just about the Flat, non rotating Earth as Russia, CIA, NASA and the US Military assume it is based on their documents.

21 Jan 2020 13:26:21
A quick question (bit gutted about finding this TBH) that throws a spanner in the FE theory:

How do both northern and southern stars circle around their respective poles and are only seen in their own hemispheres?

{Ed033's Note - Hopefully this video playlist will help. I don't know about you, but i don't default back to the spinning globe model if i come across something that i can't currently explain on the current FE model. I currently default to the Fixed, enclosed Earth with moving Aether model.

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21 Jan 2020 17:09:39
Thanks, Ed. Haha no it wasn't a default switch back to SGE model. Maybe I should have put, It throws a spanner in the works of how I visualise the flat Earth model, especially relating to Gleason's FE map and how Antarctica is a surrounding ice wall.

I asked you a while back how the Sun works (not daylight everywhere) on FE, and you pointed me towards the info of the dome. That made perfect sense to me. It was more the fact I couldn't mentally visualise how the star hemispheres worked on this same dome principle. Knew there must have been a way. Knew you'd help me find it. Thanks.

{Ed033's Note - Yes, we have to try to figure out all questions as it's highly likely the current FE model is not perfectly accurate as yet.

21 Jan 2020 13:18:29
Did I post about gyroscopes Ed?

I know some of my posts don't make the cut, but I thought that, that was a good one (perhaps not :) ) . It was early so maybe I just didn't press send.

{Ed033's Note - Yes, i thought there might be better gyroscope videos out there, so i meant to save it for later, but it got deleted as this site's backend code works different from the football sites.

Did you wrote something like, if you take the gyroscope out of the plane, why doesn't the gyroscope perform like the Earth is moving?

The original video you submitted is below:

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21 Jan 2020 18:10:11
Yeah, that's an easier way of writing what I put. This is a slightly more in-depth video using the above clip.

Surely this does prove the Earth isn't moving?

20 Jan 2020 15:49:40
Apparently, according to someone I hope to have just met, for the last time. The fact that someone is an "engineer" and has been "trained" to question everything. I have "no say of any relevance" to any matter they have knowledge of. My own research is invalid because of no recognised institution admitting to it as bona fide research.

I, in no way insinuated I was right. I was debating. But the fact that, they're institutionalised by a government program made me wrong regardless of whatever I had to say or anything my own eyes had witnessed.

These are the people that think that everything that IS, IS. And everything else is wrong. This is the society that everything is based on. Nothing that questions the narrative can not possibly be correct, for "I have been told". These will be the people that will soon rule us. These are the people that will take away your rights because you are not allowed to question what you are told. You are just WRONG for it has not been taught "you have just assumed".
These people think they have questioned everything, when they have been told all the answers. Beggars belief.

It was either this rant or a possible lawsuit. Thanks for amusing me.

{Ed033's Note - You're like a 10th Dan (you) taking on a White Belt (them), but they think it's the other way round :)

Yes, there's no way to communicate non mainstream info to most people, they can only wake themselves up.

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21 Jan 2020 08:25:40
Did you just tell this person the earth is flat? What other response did you expect?

An awful lot of people out there still think LHO killed JFK. Even more think you’re a complete looney if you suggest an alternative to the msm story on 9/ 11.

You never stood a chance.

21 Jan 2020 10:47:16
I'm open to debate, listen, learn, and challenge, but some theories do not deserve discussion as they are just so 'out there'

{Ed033's Note - No AJH, we've been programmed all of our lives to keep our minds in a tiny box. I will answer your Flat Earth questions (from a previous post of yours) in a while. It is important to watch videos on here to begin with to break your mind of the programming.

21 Jan 2020 11:01:18
I was explaining (amongst other things) the Michelson-Morley/ Sagnac and Bedford level experiments and the whole perspective effect with the eyes and all lenses. As in they have a limit.

But no, they are an engineer that has been "trained". So, consequently their tiny brain had no room for things that go against the MS grain, and had never heard of such preposterous reasoning.

I am still currently washing off the heathenish treachery with carbolic. But I openly admit, I am not looking forward to the lashings!

{Ed033's Note - Those types need the mainstream to think for them. I will break up a previous post of yours into a couple of different threads.

21 Jan 2020 21:21:43
I'll keep this in this thread as its relevant.

Went and read the Wiki link on all FE videos and at the end it says

"Despite the scientific fact of Earth's sphericity" and I thought, what scientific facts? So I googled the quote and this is the response:

ways to prove earth is round

The first image proves we are all doomed! . The whole antarctic ice-shelf has melted away and maybe if I climbed a tree as they suggest I would have seen this coming, because a lot of ice missing = a lot of water I should be seeing?! .

But, after getting over the shock of this make believe flood from melted ice that i couldn't see, I decided to book myself on a "round-the-world flight" which clearly, by its name, means the world is a sphere. A perfect sphere as shown in all the photos. But isn't there a bulge in the middle?

Oh no wait its pear-shaped isn't it? (just take a look at the photos they show on the round-the-world flight. the one that doesn't show the black of space, has less curvature than the one lower and shows no black of space. And most people believe this crap.

{Ed033's Note - Yes, you can go round the world in a circle. Astrophysicist, Neil deGrasse Tyson has stated the Earth is pear shaped, so does that mean NASA has been giving us fake pictures all along?

19 Jan 2020 18:50:33
American Moon documentary examines the authenticity of the photographic record of NASA's Apollo missions.

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19 Jan 2020 15:49:35
Just watched the spacex in-flight abort test. And that amazing stuff, liquid oxygen with a boiling point of -183C, is seen rising all around the rocket shaped structure, straight into the air again.

Around the 17 min mark

If anyone would care to explain why something that cold goes up in mid-day air, I'd love to hear from you.

{Ed033's Note - In my opinion, 21 miunutes 'fake Blue marble' video in background with cgi rocket part falling away

And afterwards, why is the right hand screen low res?

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19 Jan 2020 17:29:57
How are nasa supposed to afford hi-res on their budget, Ed?

{Ed033's Note - It's SpaceX, Obviously they couldn't make it look real enough in hi-res, so they blurred it out so you can't see the cgi faking.

19 Jan 2020 18:02:40
Sorry. Spacex, sure you realise it was sarcasm anyway. haha

Why can't they for once put a side-view cam on any launch?

{Ed033's Note - Magician tricks, watch the left hand while the right hand does something else. IMO, what we see with SpaceX is people reading scripts, fake videos with cgi and all that same fake cheering in the background, while something else happens that we don't see.

18 Jan 2020 11:16:20
1,000 years missing in our history? Very interesting if you can get past the first 21 minuets. Although, there is still some good info from Michael Tsarion in the first 21 minutes.

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18 Jan 2020 19:00:58
Thanks for the OP, I think this is a better avenue of research, for now, rather than ancient languages that may or may not have been altered, with timelines that don't appear to match.

I was beginning to think Newton was a shill, what with that pesky apple! But what, with his book. Guess that puts things into question. Unless the apple incident was post-book? Maybe taken into the cult and forced to reinforce lies, after?

I'll read Newtons and Fomenko's books and start delving into this properly, from there. Hoping they have references!

Any idea what the lady means when she talks about "the book of valis"?

{Ed033's Note - Personally, I don't trust Newton because he made errors, but he was going to anyway, because he was relying on incorrect info.

It would be good if someone could go through the Fomenko books and try to produce a coherent, understandable, simple timeline in english if that is even possible.

Never heard of the book of valis before so can't help you.

18 Jan 2020 21:12:43
I'm guessing the Fomenko book (s) (just vol 1 for now) will be a hard read, Ed. A lot of his work if not all is based on astronomy, so to check in to things accurately, will probably involve some pretty complex mathematics. I speculate though. I'll just have to wait and see.

You can be assured any knowledge or insight I can gain from said books, will be passed on.

As for book of valis. All I can find is Valis (SF MASTERWORKS) by Phillip K Dick. Does that name ring any bells? (no pun intended)

{Ed033's Note - Yes, Phillip K Dick is a science fiction writer. Blade Runner was based on Philip K. Dick's Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep book.

The Fomenko Book History Fiction or Science? Chronology 1 can be downloaded as pdf, epub or kindle legally and for free from internet archive

19 Jan 2020 07:00:42
Do you think, that is who she is referring too? . A lot of the reviews on that book said it wasn't really Scifi. And it was all I could find with "valis".

Thanks for the pdf link, Ed. Appreciated. I did find that. But, still, I have brought the 1st volume as I like hard copies to make notes in. If I find they're something I can interpret, I would probably get the remaining (4/ 5?) volumes on pdf as it will get pretty expensive otherwise.


I started to read and research this Velikovsky book supplement last night but got too late. Was very interesting what I read so far.

Earth In Upheaval

{Ed033's Note - Is "valis" the correct spelling? I would think the book she's referring to is an older text.

Her name is Sylvie Iwanova or Sylvie Ivanova. It seems the only way to contact her is using this Ask question page

Thanks for the Velikovsky link, Southern Monkey

19 Jan 2020 13:21:05
"valis" was what the uploader's (and creator of the video? ) subtitles said, but that could be down to interpretation? . Usually, search engines throw up the correct spelling or what you think you are looking for. Funnily there was nothing this time! . Like I said, that was the only book I could find. I did expect it to be an older text / book too.

I'll try and touch base with her. She sounds very knowledgeable so let's hope I can get hold of her and acquire some good info.

Thanks as always, Ed.

{Ed033's Note - ok thanks. She is one to look into further for sure.

21 Jan 2020 08:38:02
OK, so it turns out it's the "Book of Veles". An apparent "literary forgery" of ancient Slavic text with accounts dating from the 7th century BC to the 9th century AD.

Wikipedia on Veles

Here's a PDF version of Book of Veles

{Ed033's Note - ok, excellent Southern Monkey

17 Jan 2020 21:05:19
It appears that everyone knew Earth was flat in 1900?

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17 Jan 2020 22:17:31
I've been a conspiracist for over 25 years now. But if you told me 2 months ago I would be starting to question the globe Earth theory (not that I would have called it that) and starting to really think about the possibility that, the Earth could be flat. I would say you were insane! .

What a difference a bit of time and open eyed research makes.

The facts are there and they add up, just a bitch of a pill to swallow. I think its because this is the pinnacle of all conspiracies. If its true, then basically pretty much everything we've been told is a lie. Literally everything.

{Ed033's Note - 2 months ago, you also thought macro evolution happened / happens.

We seem to be living inside a creation. This means there must be a creator or creators.

Also if the Antarctic ice wall is real, then it's likely that there is a program to explore beyond the Antarctic ice wall, which means there could be worlds and extra terrestrials beyond the Antarctic ice wall.

18 Jan 2020 08:49:48
Yes, it was watching that video on macro evolution that started this branch of investigations, for me. I started watching videos in a different way thanks to wise words from you. "If I watch a video and think 40% is true and 60% is false. After watching, I don't then go and think 100% is false". That really resonated with me. Almost as though it fried the switch in my brain that bulk-deleted things that rubbed the MS narrative up the wrong way. Weird, difficult to explain. Anyway, thanks, Ed! .

Back to the Antarctic ice wall. There is an old FE amp showing lands spread around and beyond the ice wall. Sheeple say its a hoax, but obviously they would. I did see an article about a guy who was planning a cross Antarctic trip, but I can't find it again, so I don't know if it was even real, let alone when it was supposed to happen.

These lands could even be where the elite reside? . ET's and that which I used to research a lot ( the Universe/ multi-verse/ QED etc) seem irrelevant at this moment. As I stated the FE/ dome theory has really put everything into question.

“Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. ”
― Nikola Tesla.

{Ed033's Note - When i said ETs, i meant extra terra; as in extra Earth. This would mean more Earthlings, but they could look different from us.

18 Jan 2020 11:07:39
Ahh. OK. Well put like that, then yes. They are very relevant and likewise, my thinking is of that ilk. Actually (with things clicking in to place), its very easy just to transition the "space alien" species such as the greys and reptilians, into extra-Earthers. And more importantly, as all of these are "humanoid" in their appearance. It would all make a lot more sense for them to be of this Earth.

{Ed033's Note - Yes, because if there is a Firmament above us and what we call stars are not suns with planets around them, but just unknown luminaries, then it's possible there is no outer space with stars and planets so where would outer space ETs come from if there is no outer space with stars and planets?

18 Jan 2020 12:53:28
Basically because of the last few months research and although the internet can be a great source of info, I have turned my eye to old texts/ scriptures. The older and unsullied the better. Which can be hard as everything is "revised" these days. I just want to expand my knowledge and get my own facts and insights. Funnily enough I'm waiting for an Ignatius Donnelly book form the late 1800's. Would have been apt had I already read this book, to add more to this conversation.

{Ed033's Note - Sounds like a good idea, but if you watch the video above this thread (1,000 years missing in our history?), you can see that old texts/ scriptures can also be dis info as well.

Old coins, old statues, old buildings, maybe the only place to get some true history. That's why they have been burning and tearing down old [Tartarian?] buildings.

18 Jan 2020 15:39:02
I have not watched that video yet, but I had thought about there being dis-info as well, which is why I wanted to get hold of un-revised editions. Not that I would believe everything I read, but you understand?

I have been thinking about trying to learn some of the old languages (Sanskrit, Egyptian, Hebrew, Tamil) so I could at least read the original scrolls and scripts. Possibly even learn cuneiform. But the same problem would exist. I doubt I would be able to transcribe any of it from scratch so I would need to trust the person/ book/ information that was teaching me to understand these languages/ writing systems. Again its the problem of knowing who or what to trust.

17 Jan 2020 19:50:54
Why Planes Don't Fly Over The Pacific DEBUNKED.

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17 Jan 2020 14:38:13
Are some of the Stop 5G campaigners such as Mark Steele actually paid opposition, working for pro 5G companies. Does Mark Steele work for Horizon2020 to aid the 5G and LED lights agenda?

Allegedly, all of Mark Steele's court cases are mock training trials and never appear on the public record.

Is there going to be one worldwide international Stop 5G group created, which will be the only allegedly worthwhile go to, stop 5G / LED Lights / Smart Meters group, which will blow a lot of hot air, but do nothing as it is a controlled opposition group, so 5G / LED Lights / Smart Meters will get a free pass even if millions of people complain about 5G / LED Lights / Smart Meters once 5G is released en masse?

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16 Jan 2020 17:03:43
MILITARY GEOENGINEERING SINCE 1946

{Ed033's Note - It's obvious that they intentionally want parts of Australia to burn (and other parts of the world) because if they didn't, why not seed clouds to rain over the fires?

What it means is whether they want to burn people away or flood people away, they can do it and most people are going to think it's 'climate change' and anyone who doesn't think that is a 'climate change denier'.

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16 Jan 2020 18:22:25
You only have to look on the Manchester United page today to see how most, if not all, are asleep by saying all the Australian fires etc are climate change and being the MSBS's echo chamber.

Rather than start a rant on there and get called a retard by the narrow minded, I thought I would post here, this very well presented video filled with facts that show this sort of thing has been going on for decades.
But the sheep will stay asleep, nonetheless.

{Ed033's Note - Yes, it seems impossible to get through to the asleep ones, they have to wake themselves up somehow.

Yes, it's a really good video, thanks for submitting it.

16 Jan 2020 19:47:31
What do you make of the arson arrests in Australia?

{Ed033's Note - Who knows, because there are a few people about who love starting fires, so they might think they can get away with it now. They can then make a media spectacle of it as another main stream story. But, if no one gets caught starting a fire, you can pay agents to get caught starting fires and then later the police get a phone call from 'above' to let the agent go.

16 Jan 2020 23:55:25
p1, have you ever thought why all the videos you and Ed033 have linked, have now disappeared?

16 Jan 2020 16:20:49
Electric DEW Machine Guns, Death Ray Guns in 1800s. Forbidden Secret Technology and Inventions.

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16 Jan 2020 11:25:48
Many Tartarian Amusement Parks; late 1800's US - Fun 'til they burnt them down.

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