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25 Feb 2020 18:09:36
The Actornauts in the Zero G plane.

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25 Feb 2020 13:28:39
This is crazy. The European Space agency put out a video and said it was the ISS taken from a Soyuz spacecraft. Starting at 44 seconds into the video, A clear model of the ISS is being shown to us as the real ISS.

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25 Feb 2020 14:29:30
Explain how this is a clear model?

{Ed033's Note - Wow, it's obvious

25 Feb 2020 14:46:33
Here is the full video:

25 Feb 2020 23:05:39
Explain how it isn't hsf.

It's so fake it's hilarious.

26 Feb 2020 08:17:07
I'm not saying I know that this is for sure the real deal but it's not obvious to me that its a model. Being an unfamiliar shape, a one off machine, and the only other examples most of us see being actual models, I can see why that connection might be made but I've got to ask, if it is genuine footage of the ISS, how would you expect it to look? How would it differ from what we see here?

Silly question maybe but related and I'm sure some of you clever dudes can explain it to me. Why don't I see any stars in this video, I would have thought being above the light pollution of the Earth, I'd see billions up there?

{Ed033's Note - They haven't put stars in the background because it would be too difficult to figure out where all the stars should be placed and how they should look.

It appears that they can never get far enough away from Earth to photograph it as a whole, this is why the Earth presented to us is strips of photographs curved around a ball in photoshop or placed into a 3d modelling software and presented to us as CGI.

Also, on a lot of the Earth from allegedly outer space, you typically don't see any recognisable land masses. Do you see any land masses in the above video. If not why not?

Also you either see clouds moving and the Earth being stationary or the Earth rotating and the clouds still or both not moving.

If you don't know, in order for the heliocentric model to work, Earth spins at around 1000 miles per hour, the Earth rotates around the Sun at 66,000 mph, the Sun moves through the Milky Way at 500,000 mph, the Milky Way moves through the Universe at over 1 million mph.

What we see with any space agency video in outer space is not consistent with the heliocentric model.

25 Feb 2020 12:20:51
I imagine this won't get posted, like the rest of my posts for the last two weeks, but who knows maybe this will get posted.

1). If there is a dome encasing the Earth, how is it supporting it's own weight?
It would need support beams to stop it collapsing in on its self.

2). Why is the dome made of crystal like you say? There are many more natural substances out there which would be better to use.

3). You've mentioned that the Sun is within this dome, can you explain why we're not all irradiated and/ or burned to death?

4). Assuming Betelguise goes Supernova within our lifetime, how will that be explained?

{Ed033's Note - 1). This is some awesome creation we're living in and whoever created it should be able to create an impenetrable weightless barrier if they wanted to. Maybe we'll be able to do it one day if we develop the technological know how.

2. I don't know what the Firmament is made from. It could be liquid. If someone was to came up against a see through impenetrable barrier, how would people describe it? It has been described as crystal like. People can watch the videos on here that are possibly showing the Firmament at timestamp 24 Feb 2020 13:44:21 and timestamp 18 Feb 2020 07:46:28 .

3. The mainstream theory of the Sun is incorrect. We know the Sun exists because we can observe it. I don't know where the actual physical Sun is exactly located and i don't know whether the Sun we see through our Personal Atmospheric Dome (P.A.D.) is a projection of the actual Sun, but we know that we're not being irradiated and / or burned to death becuase we haven't been irradiated and / or burned to death.

4. We don't know exactly what the luminaries above us are. They could be plasma? The mainstream notion that they are Suns is just a theory. We can give names to these luminaries (such as Betelguise) and they may fade out, grow or change from time to time.

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25 Feb 2020 09:14:43
Back to a lighter tone.
Wonder how 'Sunsets' work on the Flat Earth model?

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24 Feb 2020 19:34:46
OK, so I know if a true pandemic hit the Earth, it would be a catastrophe and something I'd never wish to happen.

I just wanted to make that statement so not to appear cold to what we are being told is happening. Life is a gift in whatever form.

So, there are rallies / riots in Hong Kong for independence. Some videos showing banners asking for Trump to set them free.

A virus then shuts down China. (possibly by CCP to clear the resistance? BY the US to cripple China? I don't know)

Same virus shuts down Korea and Iran with some reports saying a different strain.

Seems a very strategic virus.

If we start getting a rise in western cases and suddenly an antiviral vaccine is released, the true agenda will be clear.

I am just trying to figure out what is actually going on. Much like all things on these pages.

{Ed033's Note - Probably be shortages of certain products in the coming months at least.

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24 Feb 2020 22:12:53
Coronavirus is deadly dangerous and should be taken very seriously but I think your post is cherry picking the facts my friend SM.

Korea (you don’t say which one) and Iran have not been shut down as far as I can see. Maybe I am not as up to date as you. Why would South Korea of all places be targeted?

You don’t mention Italy.

It’s truly awful, but insufficient evidence to suggest it is a strategic outbreak so far.

25 Feb 2020 08:04:26
I did mention Italy but deleted that part to make a point more obvious, I guess.

As for cherry picking, that's exactly what I have had to do. If I put down all the 'facts' I have seen but can not prove (pretty much all the news we are getting) it would make one hell of a nightmarish read and I am guessing Ed wouldn't post it.

The MS and Independent (individuals, not the newspaper) news coming in from all countries, varies wildly. And it is extremely difficult to know what the actual truth of the matter, is.

The problem I have is that SARS Ebola and Covid-19 have all been reported to have come from animals (camels, monkeys, snakes, pangolin) but there has never been any proof of this. But its always the narrative.

I guess if I am honest, it's starting to worry me a tad, and I just wanted some perspective from Ed and fellow posters.

I apologise if it appeared that I am trying to twist this into a conspiracy by omitting certain things. This was never my angle, I am just trying to figure it all out.

{Ed033's Note - At the moment if you're outside of China, you can prepare for a bad scenario the best you're able to.

25 Feb 2020 10:44:25
It could be like the terror security link.
Coronavirus is apparently bad for 1 in 5, also bad news for people with breathing, heart problems basically people of pension age. (depopulation)

Japan just went into technical economic recession.
They blamed brexit on the older generation.
Greece, italy same as japan, china massively over populated.

They're smashing the life out of the middle east.
Australia part of agenda 21 is was burning.
Agenda 21 in full swing maybe.
Not making a joke just an opinion.

25 Feb 2020 21:52:54
Didn't mean to give you a hard time SM. I just think if you want to target specific groups a virus is probably the worst way to do it.

25 Feb 2020 23:11:01
Not if all the people 'they' wanted to be immune had, had an anti-vaccine. Either knowingly or unknowingly. Not too much of a stretch of the imagination.

This is conjecture. I don't wish to scaremonger.

26 Feb 2020 07:11:03
I disagree. It's too crude a tool for what you describe.

26 Feb 2020 18:23:23
Perhaps (hopefully) you are correct, Rian. I am not at the forefront of viral research so it would be impossible to know what is actually possible.

I don't know how advanced nanotech is but I am aware of the studies/ research of using nanobots to destroy cancerous cells whilst ignoring healthy cells. This would mean the ability to program something so small you could have trillions injected into you and you wouldn't even know.

We know the MS never tell us the 'real' truth and, like I said, I am just trying to figure things out. Maybe it is all as they say (I very much doubt that, though) and it is an inevitable outcome of 'micro evolution'.

One thing we can be sure on though, is that no crisis will go to waste.

"You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before. "

-Rahm Emanuel.

24 Feb 2020 13:44:21
If you think about it, we can't have the alleged vacuum of 'outer space' directly next to our atmosphere. On Earth, if we want to create an area of different pressure, it has to be held inside a container, so is it possible that Earth is in a container?

A container has a top, bottom and sides.

The Crystal Firmament could be the top.

The bottom would be as far down we could go.

I think the sides would be beyond the Antarctic ice wall in all directions, with other worlds (with life forms) similar to our own being beyond the Antarctic ice wall. With 'Outer Space' being anything beyond the Antarctic ice wall.

If you have seen the video on here before that was possibly showing the Firmament, then this video shows more footage of the phenomenon at the Firmament.

It also attempts to show what could be the bottom and the walls of our enclosed system.

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24 Feb 2020 17:20:56
I really can not get my head around how a pressurised atmosphere and a vacuum can sit side by side with no barrier separating them. It just wouldn't work.

I have had discussions where people argue that the air thins and gradually turns to a vacuum, all held in place by gravity.

If gravity was holding the air in place, how is it we get different layers of clouds moving in different direction?

{Ed033's Note - I guess gravity has artificial intelligence and knows to hold down certain stuff and let other stuff do its thing.

And if gravity does have artificial intelligence, then we must be in an amazing creation.

At the moment their gravity answer is an all in one catch word that they hope people repeat, but don't think about.

Look at the crazy answer to the Michelson-Morley experiment, that the measuring apparatus itself contracts in length and changes ellipsoidal shape the exact amount to give them the exact number they need to show the Earth is rotating at the correct amount around the Sun.

24 Feb 2020 19:17:02
Haha, subjective gravity. Don't give 'them' ideas, Ed.

The Michelson-Morley experiment explanation is a joke.

Actually, the same person I spoke to about the vacuum / pressurised atmosphere, I explained the M-M experiment to them. They looked perplexed. Not from the fact they didn't understand what I had explained. More the fact they couldn't compute what the experiment concludes because it goes against their programming.

It's frustrating not being able to talk to intellectuals that are boxed in by MSBS thought.

But it's great when you see you have got through to them, on some level.

{Ed033's Note - A lot of people seem to have been hypnotised by people like Neil deGrasse Tyson and Brian Cox.

24 Feb 2020 20:07:14
Agree Ed gravity must be cleaver because like others have said.
It knows the difference between air and helium in a ballon lol.
Also when u thought ahh I just dropped the remote,
It actually got pull out of your hand.
And if u ever want to go sky diving u will be pull to earth not fall .

I do agree atmosphere next to vacuum is near impossible.
But I'm still sat on a painfull fence sorry SM and ed.

{Ed033's Note - We all have to figure it out for ourselves.

24 Feb 2020 21:49:20
Sorry for what, Southampton? .

In seeking the truth, I haven't found the answers. It's just made me see the lies.

{Ed033's Note - It's difficult to come up with an overall theory.

24 Feb 2020 23:25:25
That's it ed33.

27 Feb 2020 12:13:12
Soz SM just see message

I've been looking into flat earth theory for years but never gone full in till late.

24 Feb 2020 06:10:38
The 'Waters Above'?

A closer look at one of the lighter than air gases that causes daylight, its colors and its energies.

{Ed033's Note - Great video, thanks, SM

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23 Feb 2020 19:48:43
Petrified Remains Of A Titan - 100% Biological

{Ed033's Note - Nice find, SM. If people have seen other videos of petrified giant fauna and flora, then this looks 100% biological. Definitely looks like biological fauna to me.

However, if people haven't seen previous videos of petrified giant fauna / flora, then they'll likely think this guy is nuts.

He isn't nuts.

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23 Feb 2020 22:02:52
I did think it would be a big step watching this, for someone that hadn't look into Our ancient petrified past before. But hoped it would spark a few to think about it. As you say, this is obviously petrified biological matter.

I don't believe he is nuts. But I suspect the people who do, think the same about us, Ed, and are probably on the wrong page.

23 Feb 2020 15:58:38
Soviet Cosmonaut Says, "We Haven't Been to Space".

{Ed033's Note - Wow, a second astronaut/cosmonaut coming out and admitting the truth.

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23 Feb 2020 18:21:53
I found the original footage interview to try and see if the translation is right. YT's translator just starts to spurt out random words because there is Russian being translated into Hungarian and vice-versa. None of it made sense. The word space did pop up though. haha

I was going to give up then I saw a comment from a Hungarian who went on to translate the interview. I have know idea if it is correct, but what is said I felt worthy of passing on.

Translation comment form YT:

"The more I listen to it, the more it is indeed like he is trying to subtly say he wasn't been into space. The interviewer last minutes as finale asks him whether he believes in aliens (22 25 min) and he responds "What does it mean whether I believe? They just exist. And by the way our aryan civilization is the only one who came to Earth from outer space". Then the interviewer says "In this train of thought, maybe when you were in space, extrodinary things have happened! " on which the austronaut answers (23 02 min) "How could I know? Might have happened, but no one said anything to me. "

After this the interviewer says "Igor Petrovich, there seem to be some kind of stange code between all austronauts to not speak on this topic very openly. " on which he responds (23 24 min) "No, nothing like that. We just do not have the time. Everything I know I am ready to say in the next 30 minutes if I need to".

The interviewer then says "Since we do not have 30 more minutes, I will leave this door wide open, and I want to thank you that you admitted the existence of alien life form, after all you are hero of Solviet Union and we can trust you! "

On which he in closing words says a bit nerviously "Look, I said the code of honor isn't stopping the austronauts from talking about what is happening in space. They just do not know. In fact we haven't been into space. If anyone says otherwise it is not true. "

Basically with that the interview ends. "

{Ed033's Note - ok thanks.

23 Feb 2020 12:39:49
An intriguing theory on the Sun and the sky.

{Ed033's Note - That's an extremely good find, SM. Thanks for posting.

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23 Feb 2020 14:38:28
Good post SM,
I could go into a daze all day looking at the northern lights lol.
But In regards to the topic, led lights use certain wavelength to obtain a blue or red or yellow light 660nm and so on.

Maybe everything is like a hand scanner in a shop. Its programme is trained on picking up wavelengths and frequencies to make us see light feel warmth and so on like the matrix showed.

23 Feb 2020 14:39:17
But the gases and plasma is a good explanation as well.

23 Feb 2020 09:36:10
Ed, have you heard of the 'Phantom Time Hypothesis'?

I have not done much of my own research on it yet, but it does seem to at least relate to some of the posts you have made on hidden history and the Tartarian times.

There are a few videos I glanced at but I didn't feel worthy of posting.

I'll look into it more tomorrow.

{Ed033's Note - yes i've heard of it, didn't get round to looking at it as yet. The theory is around 300 years made up and added in, which i think is correct, but there's more to it.

Did you watch the video i posted a whie back:

Prof. Dr. Gunnar Heinsohn explains his theory on the missing 700 years of the first millennium AD. He also states there was a catastrophe that caused mass floods!

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23 Feb 2020 18:06:46
If what Gunnar Heinsohn said is true, which considering him being a professor emeritus of University of Bremen, is very likely. Then it makes perfect sense to me.

It's a simple concept but the fact that these layers are on the same level, says everything. Then you have the buildings / art etc all looking the same.

What is it they are so scared of people knowing by adding in seven centuries? . Or is it something to do with hiding the true date?

Its a shame Gunnar didn't release some books in English. His concept is straightforward, easy to understand and research compared to the crazy complex studies of Fomenko.

There doesn't appear to be anything more in English from Gunnar either in video or book, but if you happen to see anymore, I'd be interested to watch / read.

I guess I could try and find a PDF of one of his books and use Google translator.

23 Feb 2020 03:15:58
Watch the horizon in first part of the 'space jump'

Oh and apparently there is one massive continent on part of what u can see of earth.

{Ed033's Note - Thanks southampton, It's all distorted because they used the fish eye lens to make the earth look curved.

Yes, the horizon looks concave at:
32 seconds

Why do they feel the need to use the fish eye lenses?

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23 Feb 2020 13:57:00
I think in my opinion they do it for the illusion of height and curve
I mean they say u got to be so high to see curve and the fish eye lense assist them with this.
I also watch a interesting YouTube video going into the shape of our eyes and how this makes us see curve
The way we do .

{Ed033's Note - I guess we have a lens in our eyes that distorts everything differently to the way it is.

23 Feb 2020 14:28:54
Yes it does seem that way ed33,
from bits and pieces I've seen on the subject.
who knows that's what makes it interesting.

22 Feb 2020 23:22:58

What's the explanation for the publication of the data from Voyager 1 when it left the Heliosphere?

{Ed033's Note - I wonder whether Voyager 1 was sent past the Antarctic Ice Wall towards any worlds beyond the Antarctic Ice Wall.

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22 Feb 2020 13:32:04
Rockets cannot work in the vacuum of Outer Space because there is nothing there to push against:

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22 Feb 2020 17:45:10
According to this experiment, they do. Rockets in a Vacuum Chamber - Newton's third law of motion Visualized

{Ed033's Note - Hi Southern Monkey, when he says vacuum, he doesn't mean Outer Space vacuum, which is allegedly something like 1x10 to minus 13 Torr. On the Moon the alleged vacuum is 1x10 to minus 11 Torr.

On Earth there are a couple of medium vacuum chambers at 1 x 10 to minus 6 Torr and there is only 1 vacuum chamber that is at 1 x 10 to minus 8 Torr and that is as far as they can go with current technology.

Earth's atmosphere is around 740 Torr apparently from memory.

This guy is removing a few particles with his vacuum pump, so there is still loads of particles in there to push off.

But remember there may not be an actual outer space if the Firmament is real and is the reason for them not being able to go beyond 'low Earth orbit'.

22 Feb 2020 20:21:42
Can you imagine sending astronauts to the Moon with an alleged 1x10 to minus 11 Torr and not even being able to test whether they can handle being in a 1x10 to minus 11 Torr vacuum?

Apparently only 1 guy in a space suit has ever been in a 1x10 to minus 6 Torr vacuum chamber and he was in there for 2 seconds before passing out and they had to get him out. He said that just before passing out, he could feel the moisture on his tongue boiling.

22 Feb 2020 21:01:32
If space is a near perfect vacuum like they tell us.
Rockets would have nothing to thrust against.
That's if were understanding a vacuum correct.
But for these test to be correct the vacuum has to be same as space.
The area and vehicle would have to be sized to that of the real environment and thrust.
Or your actually testing something other than operating a rocket in space.

{Ed033's Note - Yes, this is not how a rocket would operate in the alleged vacuum of alleged outer space. In addition he's not opearating this rocket at the alleged extreme temperatures of alleged outer space.

22 Feb 2020 21:14:18
Jim Le Blanc was the astronaut in the vacuum chamber, but it was apparently an airline that had come loose on his suit which caused him to depressurise. That's what we are told anyway.

I don't know about the rockets not working in a vacuum. The way I am visualising it, is the force of the rocket has to push out of the rocket to escape, therefore there is no external pushing forces needed. the escaping rocket flame is just the burning fuel escaping after it has 'pushed' itself out of the rocket.

I maybe totally wrong. But if say it was an motorised fan which was used as the propeller, and does need an external pushing force, then I would agree it would not work in space.

{Ed033's Note - But if something was loose on his suit, why not try with another suit?

To me, they know that the space suits can't handle even a medium vacuum, that's why no one else has ever gone into a medium vacuum chamber.

Remember the LEM allegedly leaving the Moon, it just floated upwards.

22 Feb 2020 21:57:43
They have allegedly tested the Apollo in a vacuum chamber. I believe the same chamber Le Blanc was in.

I am not saying there isn't fakery, Ed. You know I don't believe we have been to the Moon.

{Ed033's Note - ok thanks.

22 Feb 2020 22:02:28
You are probably right in saying space suits can not handle being in a vacuum.

The BBC faked a vacuum experiment with James May, I don't know if you have seen this.

This is a clip from the BBC. There are 2 people inside the vacuum chamber with James May and they only have overalls and oxygen masks on. Everything else is exposed to the vacuum.

What was it that happens to exposed parts of the body in a vacuum?

Pure fakery, mate.

{Ed033's Note - No haven't seen it thanks.

22 Feb 2020 22:25:03
Hi Ed just used the link from the Everton banter page didn’t know any of this stuff was here. To the point in hand, firstly I know nothing about space or vacuums or what Torr is yet there a few things that immediately spring to mind .

A. If there is nothing for rockets to push against to move through space how and why do planets orbit the the stars/ suns surely in a such a vacuum nothing would move yet orbits occur and and as a result of said movement there must be a disturbance of the vacuum thus causing a path within the vacuum. The word vacuum itself implies an absence of anything, yet within space there is stuff such as meteors, comets, Satelite’s, space junk etc,

B, each body within the galaxy has a magnetic/ gravitational pull / field and while not visible with the eye are proven to exist therefore with space flight the lunar missions use the gravitational pull of earth and the Moon and their orbits of the earth and moon to achieve breakaway and landing thus providing a force to push against which in turn cause movement as in Newton’s law equal and opposite motion .
And C if a vacuum exists how does the sun warm or illuminate our planet as surely the heat would remain around the sun as the heat of the tea doesn’t heat the outside of your flask.

And D, How does Riquelme get spotted in so many different locations at the same time on transfer deadline day without the ability to move at the speed of light which we know is proven yet couldn’t in a vacuum of nothingness,

it is my conclusion that it’s all a load of bollocks that no one is even close to understanding and it is easier to find reasons why the lunar landings were allegedly faked than except that it just does exist like my unicorn and ability to do magic
I must sign off as I’m due in the electro therapy room
Big C.

{Ed033's Note - A. planets don't orbit the the stars. Planets are wandering luminaries in the Firmament.

B. There is no 'galaxy'. There are luminaries in the Firmament. No rocket or space shuttle can 'orbit' the Earth because the Earth is not a sphere or 'orbit' the Moon because the Moon we see in our reality is possibly a projection.

C. Outer Space doesn't exist and therefore the Outer space vacuum doesn't exist. The Sun in our reality is also possibly a projection.

The Sun and Moon are physical either in or above the Firmament.

Yes, your conclusion of mainstream space science being bull is correct.

22 Feb 2020 22:39:43
And it is probably a case of 'no one knows' if a rocket can work in space or not. I can not find one bit of rocket launch 'external camera' footage that goes beyond 70 - 100 miles up, then it always cuts off or goes to a cartoon.

If someone has seen any footage past this point, please post it here, thanks. And Apollo footage is fake, so don't bother posting low Earth orbit window pics :)

70-100 miles. Wouldn't that be around the height of the starting point/ edge of the 'dome' 'waters above' firmament', Ed?

{Ed033's Note - I'm not sure where the Firmament starts 70 - 100 miles above Earth maybe about right. I would imagine any 'footage' would be CGI.

23 Feb 2020 02:59:16
Sm from what i think I learnt,
On earth the rockets thrust hits our atmosphere and this is what propels the rocket along.
But In a vacuum the energy of thrust would disappear in the vacuum of space.

24 Feb 2020 00:21:37
I may not be right, Southampton, but I think you are incorrect. Sorry :)

A rocket is basically a controlled explosion over a period of time.

To me the force is happening inside the rocket as the fuel escapes, it doesn't need the escaping fuel to push on something to make it move because there are internal forces at play, which make the rocket move.

Remember that we are told space is a vacuum. A vacuum will not hinder the result of internal forces and this will create a directional movement directly related to where the force originated. Therefor a controlled forward movement in relation to a rocket.

24 Feb 2020 09:46:01
No problem SM
Nothing wrong with being put right mate

22 Feb 2020 00:24:05
There seems to be a lot of talk of the world not being round. That may have been tongue in cheek but was hard to gauge. I mean, it definitely is. Be a bit odd if everything visible in space was round except our earth.

{Ed033's Note - If people were to watch all the videos of the last 8 pages of this site, they would have an idea of what i'm saying here.

So Obama, Trump and I've heard 2 people who are pretending to be astronauts on the International Space Station say that we are stuck in 'low Earth orbit'. This 'low Earth orbit' is apparently up to 350 miles above Earth. The problem with this is the Moon is allegedly around 225,000 miles from Earth, so if they got to the Moon, it must be within 350 miles of the Earth?

Also, why would they be limited to a maximum 350 miles away from Earth?

They are saying that outer space is a vacuum, the problem with this is that it's physically impossible to have the alleged vacuum of outer space directly next to Earth's atmosphere.

If there is a vacuum of outer space, then Earth would have to be inside a pressurised container. Is it possible then that the Crystal Firmament is the top part of the container?

If the Crystal Firmament is blocking us from going beyond it, then the, stuck in 'low Earth orbit' makes sense.

Now what about the stars and the planets? If we realise that under the inverse square law of light that it would be physically impossible to see any star that is light years away from us, then it makes sense that they are much closer and likely to be within the Firmament.

If the Firmament is real and the 'stars' and 'planets' are luminaries within the Firmament then there maybe no actual Outer Space, as we don't know what is beyond the Firmament.

If people are into astrology and think the planets and stars have some sway over us, wouldn't it make more sense if they were close to us. How can anything light years away from us have any affect on us?

Putting this together, the Earth is a realm fixed in place, doesn't move, doesn't rotate and above it are the Sun, Moon, and Luminaries (Planets and Stars).

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22 Feb 2020 13:48:23
Perhaps 350 miles is the distance to which the earth's gravitational pull has an effect on the space station.

I have zero belief in astrology, just as much truth in tea leaves.

{Ed033's Note - What those 4 were saying is that none of the space agencies can send rockets or Space Shuttles past 350 miles out from Earth.

22 Feb 2020 15:53:05
Hi. I also do not believe in the flat earth idea. Peoples beliefs are their own choice but I think it is disingenuous to claim proofs that are in fact nothing of the sort. A few points. None of those quoted suggested we could not leave low earth orbit. In fact Trump has announced NASA returning to the moon and plans for Mars. Obama was behind deep space unmanned missions. No one has returned to the moon on a manned mission due to cost and because we have been there and have no reason to return. The inverse square of light explains how and why we do see stars, not that it is impossible to do so. Our eyes only need to pick up 1 proton for the light to be visible. We can only see 9000 of the 300 billion stars in the Milky Way with our naked eye and the inverse law is the explanation for this. If the earth is flat then how can I see the sun rise and set over the ocean, moving in and out of view? And if the earth was flat and I looked out at empty ocean from the west coast of a USA or south coast of Australia then surely I would see the Antarctic Ice walls apparently surrounding us?

{Ed033's Note - I'm not expecting anyone to go from mainstream to where this site is now without people going step by step by watching the videos posted on here over the last 8 pages.

So, they have stated that there is a reason to go back to the Moon, to mine minerals such as Helium 3, and the profits would offset the cost.

Yes, we can see luminaries that people call stars with our naked eyes, i'm saying they're hundreds of miles way at most in the Firmament not light years away.

The sun doesn't rise and set over the ocean, it moves away from you until you can't see it and then moves towards you until you can see it. You would need to watch 1 or more videos about it.

We can only see so far over the ocean with our naked eyes. If you use a zoom camera you can see further, if you use a zoom camera with infra red, you can see even further, but there is a limitation due to stuff in the air such as debris, water vapour, physical atmosphere and perspective; as you look further the way we see with perspective, so much visible info is crammed into a small amount of space, that you can't determine what you're seeing.

Nowadays we have zoom cameras that can see objects that should be hidden by hundreds of feet of curvature. That is a serious dent in the Globe model of Earth.

Never been beyond 'Low Earth Orbit' NASA, ISS and Obama examples from 2016:

22 Feb 2020 19:54:08
Of course the world is round! I thought you guys were joking. No offence intended, its up to you. But weathermen and women show us satellite pictures all day every day. It's how we knew about storm Dennis. They don't always get it right, but they're not bad. The strength of telescopes is a mathematical science, you can literally pay to go and see for yourself, things that are hundreds of thousands of miles away.

Nothing will sway me from the knowledge that the earth is spherical. Because something is written on the Internet, doesn't make it true.
Virgin are already readying space tourism.

And what is proffesor Brian Cox and Sir Patrick Moore about? Are they agents of darkness spreading lies about the nature of reality? Or are they highly educated men, who have studied for years and years. What possible reason would there be for such an in depth conspiracy.

And I refuse to believe coxy is a liar. His enthusiasm is infectious and many people watch him just for that reason.

Go on Google earth. Keep heading east or west, doesn't matter, you will end up in the same spot.

Sometimes you can focus so strongly on a small part of the jigsaw that you miss the big picture.

Religion, or Christianity at any rate, once ruled the Western world. Its answers to the mystery of life was so appealing that people still believe it in the 21st century. But it was toppled by the world being round.

It proved that heaven and hell were not physically possible. There are so many sites where you can zoom out from you current position and see the earth as round.

If we can see stars that are millions of miles away, billions. Then how is it that we can't see the sun when it's a few thousand miles away.

I know you guys don't care, and I'm sure you have discovered the odd conspiracy out there. But anyone who thinks the world is flat is literally mental. I'm really sorry to say it. This stuff is interesting.

And why are there thousands of images of the spherical earth and none of this flat existence. You know there's no up and down in space? That's a product of gravity.

Sometimes it feels like this is the main problem flat earthers have. An inability to think in the abstract. As if this is the centre of the universe (it is if you believe in infinity)

{Ed033's Note - If you watch the videos over the last 8 pages, you can comprehend why i say the following things (doesn't mean what i say below is 100% accurate):

Yes, the world is probably round, but not a sphere.

All satellites are attached to high altitude balloons, there are no satellites orbiting the Globe.

No satellite has given a whole picture of the Earth. A satellite can only photo small strips of Earth and then they use Photoshop to put the strips together and wrap them round an imaginary globe. No satellite attached to a high altitude helium balloon can go high enough up to take a whole picture of the Earth.

There is probably no such thing as hundreds of thousands of miles above Earth as the Firmament is as far as there is.

This site is here for people to learn new things, if you're not on here to learn, why are you here? This is not a competition site i.e. mainstream vs this site.

Brian Cox and Sir Patrick Moore they repeat(ed) mainstream science stuff and get/got paid for it.

Stars aren't light years away, they are a few hundred miles away at most in the Firmament.

The reason for such an in depth conspiracy is because there is a huge difference between thinking you're an insignificant nothing in a huge universe as opposed to being extremely significant and living inside a wondrous creation.

22 Feb 2020 19:58:01
In my opinion,
When I look at stars I see a weird shape light even in telescope.
Not a ball.
And the moon is a round object that doesn't have a spot of intense light, like a ball does with a light shined on it and light tapering away to edges.
Only place I see a perfect ball is in space books and T.v but its cgi.
And the space station should be called atmosphere station lol.
Well it's not in space is it?

{Ed033's Note - The people acting on the ISS are not in space. All the lady actors On the ISS have to take a load of hairspray with them to pretend they're in zero gravity.

Yes when you zoom into stars you see this type of thing in the following video. Each star is different.

22 Feb 2020 22:44:55
Hi Ed, I have an unproven theory but that may make sense if you think about it it may explain all your questions. If you think of the earth as a multi layered infinite flat disc or oemebus (spelling) loop with our reality existing within our time frame and each layer an infinite reality you can therefore see as far as you need with your zoom lens, and also explains the existence of ghosts the Loch Ness monster and big foot, they all exist but on another reality. If you think about the cartoon movement by the quick flicking of the pages then the image you see is whole and moving but in reality is multiple stationary realities but existing together as a single entity.
I hope that helps you understand the universe
Big C.

22 Feb 2020 23:59:50
If it helps further think of the old paper Christmas decorations that you buy as a flat semicircle but when you open it it forms a sphere of layers of paper all connected think of that but with infinite number of layers all separate but connected each with the earth as many see it on each side of the paper ie flat maps each running at their own time in history or future or present, then think of the multipaged pad with the cartoon of the one image moving but stationary on each page then think what happens when pages flick slower so the images get merged or conversely when a number of pages stick together and the image jumps from one view to another and apply that to the Christmas decoration of the earth, ghosts and the Loch Ness monster are thus explained By the slow flicking and earthquakes and extreme weather by the pages stuck together .

23 Feb 2020 15:16:59
Big c
Lol what a load of waffle.
At least put an a fake terror attack in there.
And what did u stick your pages together with! ?

Sorry u get so wound up by the flat earth conspiracy dude.
But when u actually look at the evidence that can not be messed with.
That this place ain't muffin shaped but, a perfect ball u see in images
That ain't cgi.
There not much left
Anyway people can speak or question what they like without someone jumping in with stick tabs .
Take it easy.

23 Feb 2020 21:04:47
Hi Southampton I was putting forward an alternative reality and if one is valid then all must be until proven otherwise, I like my theory of infinite flat discs each belonging to a different time and if you think about it, it would meet with your flat earth theory but also proffers an opportunity to move through time and would make ghosts and people seeing Victorian streets Scenes in Liverpool Bold Street.
Also if you haven’t read the Long Earth by terry pratchett I would recommend giving it a go
Big C.

23 Feb 2020 23:20:48

23 Feb 2020 23:23:18
Alright big c.

If I come across evidence to back your theory ill post it .
Till then ill read the long earth.

24 Feb 2020 00:24:42
"Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. " - Nikola Tesla.

24 Feb 2020 08:29:07
Hi again Southampton just a follow on firstly the long earth by prattchet is a work of fiction but isn’t all fiction twists and based on reality whatever that is . Also search time slip Liverpool bold street by Tom Slemen, who has collected a number of accounts of this phenomenon. Anyway hope you in enjoy the book . Keep your mind open
Big C.

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