23 Nov 2016 22:08:51
Some of you may have noticed my posts and that fact that my views are in opposition to a lot of what is said on here. I accept that some conspiracy theories have a kernel of truth to them but I believe most are a result of people being selective in the evidence they choose to believe. I think it's clear that Apollo 11 landed on the moon, that Al Qaida highjacked 4 planes on Sep 11th and flew them into various buildings and I don't believe the Rothschild family control the world.
In terms of the US election I think it's laughable that people thought the election was going to be rigged in favour of Clinton but today I experienced the power of conspiracy theories for myself.
I saw a link to an article that argued that voter fraud did take place but in fact in favour of Trump, it didn't cite much evidence other than that voting patterns were unusual and that the 'just enough votes' nature of Trump's victory in four swing states was suspect. You have no idea how much I want this to be true and I find myself battling my better judgement on the issue.
For interest I link the article. I wonder what the other posters think of it.
goo.gl/mqliAZ
{Ed033's Note -
1. Nobody has ever said on here that the Rothschild family control the world. They clearly don't but they do have a fair amount of influence
2. It's completely unclear whether Apollo 11 landed on the moon or not
3. Wtf - It's seriously not clear that Al Qaeda highjacked 4 planes on Sep 11th and flew them into various buildings. (this web site is way too advanced for you)
23 Nov 2016 22:26:20
I'm all for disagreements. Voter fraud did happen. Clinton had 3 million votes from unregistered illegal voters and dead people.
23 Nov 2016 22:31:10
Do you work for them muscatred? You'd make an excellent politician mate.
23 Nov 2016 23:18:05
I think you miss the military more than you're willing to admit. Being obeyed. Always being right (which of course you always are) . Not actually thinking freely, but not realising it. Thinking everyone else is wrong. Naturally.
Good luck with that.
24 Nov 2016 00:53:02
muscatred out of interest what do you class as a conspiracy?
24 Nov 2016 00:55:21
Building 7. That is all I will say, I recon you will not even know what it is, which speaks volumes.
24 Nov 2016 09:45:09
You are on this site enough muscatred?! I for one ain't exactly too sure about the twin towers, sandy hook etc. I have seen loads of alternative explanations and don't really buy any of them. But it wouldn't surprise me at all if there's a shred of evidence in them. You just have to make your mind up. Some of it will be true some will be ambiguous and some will be absolute BS.
24 Nov 2016 10:47:11
Hey Franky, I don't think I have an unusual definition of a conspiracy theory. Basically it's any alternative narrative to the one published by the relevant authority coupled with an assumption that the authority is deliberately trying to deceive the public.
Chrisp, I'm familiar with Building 7, I'm familiar with a lot of the more common theories, I read a lot of what is posted and shared here because I'm fascinated with the culture. My opinions are based on comparing the arguments in support of the official narrative to the alternative one.
If we look at 9/11 the facts are that four buildings collapsed and a number of others were damaged. The debate is what caused that damage, on the balance of the evidence I've seen I believe the most likely explanation is that terrorists hijacked four planes with the intention of flying them into various land marks.
In the case of the WTC they succeeded in crashing into the twin towers resulting in a chain of events that culminated with the twin towers and WTC 3 and 7 collapsing. The alternative explanations which attempt to argue a different narrative all have flaws far more significant than the official one so, on balance I see no reason not to believe the official story.
{Ed033's Note - i suppose if you either ignorantly or deliberately miss out 90+% of the evidence (which is what the 'authorities' do), and add in some dis-info from the 'authorities', you can arrive at the same conclusion as the 'authorities'.
How did the 'authorities' come up with Oswald (the lone assassin) shooting JFK and 3 bullets being fired by Oswald?, by deliberately ignoring 90+% of the evidence to the contrary and adding in some dis-info of their own.
24 Nov 2016 13:42:29
the guildford four and hillsbourough were once considered conspiracies that have now been debunked as truth, now 40 years later with the the guildford four justice will be not done as most of the perpetrators will be dead, the same thing will happen with hillsbourough and also the vip sex scandal .
what I am trying to say is all three examples are not as big as a 9/ 11 even thou all are terrible and are a miscarriage of justice then once you realise that the people in charge knew and still tried to hide the facts even now .
does not mean you have to agree with every conspiracy on here but writing it off because official establishment organisations tell you to trust official explanations seems very naive feller.
24 Nov 2016 16:09:44
Hey Franky, I think you misunderstand me, I don't automatically side with the official narrative, the reason I generally side with it is that I don't find the arguments supporting the alternative particularly compelling.
24 Nov 2016 19:13:40
ok what's your view on the current ongoing vip sexual abuse claims?
24 Nov 2016 21:46:53
It's a difficult one frankly . Once previous so called conspiracys get debunked then people will naturally question reality and anything is thrn possible. I wouldn't put anything past the powers that be. But I also can't accept the alternative theorys in the 9/ 11 stuff. I wouldn't put it past them but there are 100's of alternate versions only 1 if any of them can be right! But at the end of the day they are just theory's. I've seen videos where so called steel engineers say that this couldn't happen and this would happen!
But who are these people I don't know them or their credentials so why would I believe them. I've worked with plenty of steel engineers and people with 30+ years in construction and demolition who I know and know their credentials who have all said that the way the towers fell is very normal in their professional opinion.
So who do you believe! like I say I'd put nothing past anyone in power but I'd never say I know that it was definitely dodge until hard evidence comes out and like frankly pointed out above the truth sometimes comes out. There are loads of things that come on this site that I believe are 100% but for me the twin towers stuff is still filed under I don't know.
24 Nov 2016 23:12:45
if that was the only strange fact about 9/ 11 then you would have a very strong point but as you know there are a number of strange incidents revolving around 9/ 11
towers turn to dust
terrorist passport found unmarked
BBC and CNN, announced the destruction of WTC 7 long before it happened.
bin laden family allowed to fly out of the usa
the pentagon cameras not working also the most secure area allowing a so called plane/ missile
i could go on mate and you prob know all this anyway, but like I said to many things do not add up not just melting steel theory that makes 9/ 11 the biggest tv screened snuff movie .
25 Nov 2016 00:05:44
'The way the towers fell is very normal in their professional opinion'.
Normal how?
25 Nov 2016 09:33:33
By the way sanogo, the NIST report is just a theory and it is full of spurious claims that are not supported by sound scientific analysis.
25 Nov 2016 18:42:46
Rian, I'm no steel engineer and have no knowledge personally. The point I'm making is that I've watched loads of videos and read loads of articles on the subject and I'm non the wiser.
I've heard experts say that it was normal and others say it was not normal. I don't know mate I really don't and stay away from the subject usually. Your asking me to answer a question from a conversation with said people over 5 years ago. They did go into detail and I remember st the time not understanding what they were going on about. The only thing I do know that not one single theory has been proven! Only anomalies in the official line.
26 Nov 2016 13:50:11
I hear you Sanogo. Just remember the official theory (The NIST report) has also not been proven. It's just theory, and bad theory at that.