12 Sep 2015 12:15:15
proud to say me and my family voted corbyn
now the real work starts but its a right step in humanity and a voice for the people.

{Ed033's Note - Good one Franky, let's hope for the best.

 
12 Sep 2015 13:05:08
He won't win a general election. He'll boost the safe majorities. He'll take votes off the greens and Scots but he won't win the marginals and he won't win middle England.

 
12 Sep 2015 13:11:25
Says it all when the shadow cabinets all resigning and say they won't work under him.

 
12 Sep 2015 13:38:47
He has a very good chance of winning the general election. Disfranchiesed voters will feel more connected. 40% didn't vote, between that and labour core the figures add up.
Corbyn needs to set up a good pr section to counter the now expected MSM onslaught from murdoch, BBC,etc

{Ed033's Note - it would show something of the mindset of 'we the people', if they threw everyone they had against Corbyn and he still won.

 
12 Sep 2015 13:56:24
Socialism doesn't work. It couldn't win a general election 30 years ago. It won't win one now.

 
12 Sep 2015 14:44:03
people are missing the big point , mps resigning means absolutly nothing when the people are firmly behind the leader , what happened 30 years ago has no effect on what's happening now , the world is a different place.

 
12 Sep 2015 14:44:11
Corbyn won :-) he is now Labour Party leader.

 
12 Sep 2015 15:10:23
Exactly franky the worlds changed from 30 years ago. The labour of the 80s was based on a class war which the majority no longer care about.

And your missing the point. It shows the parliamentary labour is split. If the part of the party that represents the people don't support the leader then it makes winning over undecided voters harder. Also the ones resigning are all the ones who were tipped as the rising stars of the party. Who's going to replace them?

 
12 Sep 2015 15:47:03
kim he will take votes of ukip and lib dems add to the fact he will get people who have not voted in years 35 to 40% , why do you think they are so scared of him in the media?

 
12 Sep 2015 20:29:24
Franky most of the lib voters last time out went tory. Also I think ukip aren't finished yet.

Are the media scared of him? All I've seen on social media today is tories rubbing there hands with glee that labours elected michael foot mark 2.

 
12 Sep 2015 22:29:35
From only looking into it slightly, so may have been brainwashed by the media I do have a few questions. How do we expect to tax the rich and keep them here thus securing the jobs of those they employ.

What will happen when we don't have any defences against the volatile Russians and Chinese. What happens about the reopening of the pits and the coal we don't need. Quite a lot of the policies seemed to be aimed towards the younger generation who are like me a little naive and think of themselves.

Myself I would be happy to scrap NI pay for private medical care like in Sweden etc. and pay more taxes if this meant a higher living wage and benefits for those not as fortunate. I would also not be surprised if he died of a "unfortunate accident" in the next few years or even surprised if he does not actually run for prime minister after he has drummed up support for the party.

 
12 Sep 2015 23:27:05
libs went tory? lib dems as a movement are dead because of they have never implemented their voters beliefs when they had the chance with the coalition. lib dems were the party of the youth vote 18 to 23. now with corbyn's vision on free education, he is already very popular with the younger vote. as for the tories rubbing their hands with glee, I will give you one example of the so called glee:

piri patel a tory mp who has a role with the dwp was asked today live on lbc radio about corbyn's massive win and she said it's a threat to national security. the interviewer said as a member of the opposite party it would be polite to congratulate your opposition would it not?

she still would not do it, but kept on going on about national security rubbish. now call me skeptical, but if I was happy that an opposition member was elected, I would be rolling the red carpet out for him. the fact is, he's getting attacked by the establishment and media who have right wing ideologies.

 
12 Sep 2015 23:37:28
kev, the rich own nearly all of our assets and they want the nhs next. we take back the transport from those people and we the people own it with our taxes thus securing our jobs as 1 example.

you called the russians and chinese volatile? mate for over 20 years we have been bombing the middle east, so not sure we can be casting stones at anyone.

not sure what you mean about opening coal mines, but if we do still import coal (not sure if we still do), it would make sense to use of our own would it not?

 
13 Sep 2015 01:21:28
The problem is, in that main stream middle ground voters won't vote for labour now. I've got 2 kids and 2 business's and I work 7 days a week all hours of the day to get by. I'm half swedish and I know the pro's and cons of their system and u have every opportunity to move my family and live there but they are far from the ideal life too. I'm a socialist in my heart but a tory in my mind/private life and that's what counts. I would put everything I own apart from my house on corbyn not getting in, I'm the next election. The tories have a massive middle ground to eat up which i'm afraid wins elections.

 
13 Sep 2015 09:44:51
{Ed033's Note - They now appear to have the ability to easily rig any vote. The last UK general election was rigged and the Scottish independence vote was also rigged. Who ever does the rigging can make anything happen.

For all we know, they'll make Corbyn win just to have certain other groups going crazy. It's possible that the rigging group are outside the area that corbyn can have any influence over.

 
13 Sep 2015 10:07:57
The liberal party was wiped out and most of their seats were list to tories so yeah suggests liberal voters went tory.

As leader of the opposition he will receive briefings by the intelligence services. He also cosies up to a lot of terrorist groups. The intelligence services have already publicly and privately admitted concern over these associations and uts a legitimate concern.

I also agree with the points made by the other poster. He's capturing the minds of the young because socialist theory is a wonderful idea. In reality it is a failure and has failed everywhere it has been tried. They are too young to have lived through the failure.

I've made this point before. The majority of British people are on the centre right. Not the extreme right although there is a minority which will never win. But centre right. Sometimes the centre left like Blair or Wilson will win. But the extreme left will never win a British general election.

 
13 Sep 2015 11:32:02
listen its about opinion this , if this was a tory group who were just attacking the poor I would agree with you that it would be very hard but middle class england is also getting squeezed for example people that work for themselves ,its exactly the same thing happening in the usa and I am pretty sure this is a global thing , the tactic of parties like the CON party has always blamed the poor/ low class for not paying there way , with this 40% cuts then that argument can not be used anymore and the so called middle class england will be asking themselves why am I still getting squezzed?

kim cosied up to terrorist groups?, your an intelligent woman and you must know how propaganda works so when corbyn meets hamas once for peace talks a few years ago he's cosying up but tony blair has meet the same group 3 times in the last year in his new laughable peace role and it's fine? I will spell it out again P R O P A G A N D A

 
13 Sep 2015 12:32:25
How about all the times he's shared platforms with sympathisers? Even this week he's said that we should understand is.

What is there to understand about a group of psychopaths using a religion as an excuse to rape, torture and murder. Are you proud of supporting a man who wants to understand such a mentality?

Is don't want peace they just want to slaughter anyone who doesn't fit they're version of Islam.

Hamas don't want peace. They want to commit genocide. It's in they're manifesto. Proudly displayed on the website.

Iran doesn't want peace either. They want the bomb to intimdate Riyadh and Tel Aviv.

Corbyn once refused to share a platform with nick griffin but refused saying he doesn't associate with rascists. Round of applause. But then he shares platforms with Islamic fundamentalists who are not just racist but misogynists' and homophobes as well. How do you think that sits with women's rights and gay rights groups? I've seen plenty calling him out on it on social media.

 
13 Sep 2015 13:54:16
shared platforms? the panorama edition about corbyn being in saudia Arabia was proved to be a LIE. his diary proved otherwise.

supporting psychopaths? two words mate SAUDI A

iran to my knowledge the only country the have attacked is another muslim country (iraq) in the last 50 years but israel feel threatened , got to be right eh?

finally he a shared platform with sinn fein in the a time when it was unthinkable. tell me what do you do kim? invade ireland until they give up the terror or do what he did and open dialogue?

 
13 Sep 2015 14:37:31
Depends how far you trust the ira.

Just because Iran have only attacked one neighbouring country (and lost) doesn't mean the intention isn't there. Why do you think they've thrown everything into gaining the bomb over the last 25 years. And again you've not read what I've said. Its not just Israel that fears a nuclear Iran. But the rest of the region that follows a different religious sect. The whole mess in Lebanon, Syria and Iraq is a sectional war that makes Belfast look like amateur hour. And Saudi Arabia funds one side and Iran the other. The west got dragged into this by the Saudis and now Russia are starting to as well.

Regards the Saudis I have little time for them either. A bunch of arrogant misogynistic homophobes as bad as Iran or Hamas.

 
13 Sep 2015 14:39:19
Let me put this another way. If Cameron had lost the election and stood down and the tory party elected a fringe mp on the far right of the party with extreme views on immigration, the health service ect. Leading to the moderates in the shadow cabinet resigning etc. What would your reaction be?

 
13 Sep 2015 14:48:44
Do you also think Islamic state want a dialogue?

They've slaughtered thousands amongst the yazidis, Kurds, Syrians and Iraqis.

They've dragged women off and sold them at auction as sex slaves to be raped by their owners.

They've executed normal soldiers of the Iraqi and Syrian armies. These men are mostly conscripts who don't want to be there or are just trying to do their duty. In many cases just protecting their homes and families. Instead they get butchered. If this had been the Americans you'd soon be bleating about war crimes.

They've destroyed historical sites like palmyra or Nineveh that have stood for centuries.

You really think such a barbaric mentality can be reasoned with?

The ira or the plo had legitimate political causes. Dialogue could be opened. What's Islamic states political cause?

For a so called socialist party too many in labour suck up to Islamic fundamentalists. Despite their barbaric attitudes towards women and gay people. The total antithesis of the socialist principles of equality to all regardless of class, gender, colour and orientation.

 
13 Sep 2015 16:08:47
the west got dragged in to the middle east? are you serious about that statement?

the west and the iron curtain have been putting there own dictators in power for over half a century and we all know the reasons why ,the same dictators they empowered are now funding terror cells , the world has gone mad if you think corbyn's stance on terror is worrying .

 
13 Sep 2015 17:03:50
Nice that you dodged every other point I made.

 
13 Sep 2015 17:09:49
Corbyns stance on terror is he doesn't have one.

No one is saying the Americans or the British or the Israelis are perfect.

The labour party has been taken over by a neo Trotskyist group. And the extreme left is not a good thing. Especially when allying itself to a bunch of religious fascists.

 
13 Sep 2015 18:06:13
dodged your points? you started with a right wing neo con statement about the west getting dragged into the middle east and my reply about funded dictators who fund these manics should have covered all of your points.

we agree about stopping these terrorists but my and your methods are miles away from each other .

correct NO ONE is saying usa uk and israel is perfect until now ,maybe that is why the right wing are getting rattled , your not ring wing by any chance are you kim?

haha trotskyist? you could not fill a school gym of labour trotskyist ,i can not speak for every lab voter but the vast amount I do speak to want the same thing as I do .

 
13 Sep 2015 18:08:09
corbyn stance on terror is simple , find out who are funding them then stop the supply.

 
13 Sep 2015 21:18:49
Corbyn is a Trotskyist. You should look into the history of your own party.

You dodged the point I made about asking are you happy to support a man who supports people with extreme homophobic and misogynist views.

No I am not right wing. Firmly on the centre left thank you.

Besides, Corbyn probably won't make it to the general election.

 
13 Sep 2015 23:07:51
firmly center don't make me laugh , your views are a mix of fox news/sky news rhetoric .

give me one just one example that corbyn admits to supporting homophobic and misogynist views.

i bet you all the rubles in russia you can't , but if you want to go there I could give you plenty of examples that our government past and present thinks its ok ,remind me again homophobic and misogynist views erm the saudi arabia dictatorship have those same views do they not? funny that you have never called the tories or new LAB out on this subject .

as for corbyn not making a election ,if it was a split or narrow win then there would be a good chance that could happen , but he annihilated the opposition and thankfully the people choose the leader not the PLP.

{Ed001's Note - I think you are getting overexcited there franky. Take a deep breath mate, no one said Corbyn admitted to supporting those views, so why even try and call someone out on that? What was said is that, despite him supposedly being opposed to those views, he is happy to work with states that very much hold those views.

What anyone else opposed to him has to do with whether he is a hypocrite or not is beyond me. You are trying to defend him by saying 'but he does it miss' and pointing to the troublemakers. It is not ok to work with these people, and I include Saudi Arabia and Qatar in that, but it is even worse when you are claiming to be utterly opposed to the things they base their whole system on. Corbyn is supposed to be an idealist, that is his claim, but he is acting like a pragmatist and you are trying to defend that. You can't be both. Sorry but he is just another fraud.}

 
14 Sep 2015 11:05:44
first of all edd I am very calm when I wrote that as I am calm now.
I stand by claim that it is totally hypocrisy by kim to suggest by sharing a platform makes him a apologist , the saudi flag was raised at half mask at buckingham palace when there dictator died last year who was doing the exact same stuff to people as isis and let's be real about this ,they and turkey are funding and training these terrorist.

so like I have mentioned he was one of the first to open talks with sinn fein back in the day which brought peace when it was very raw and he copped flak then but he was never a leader so this has amplified .

btw can any of you guys give me a alternative to talking? because plan A ain't working.

time will tell if he's fraud but I will stand by my claim that this is not about corbyn it never has been, this is about a change to peoples awareness that enough is enough and instead of accepting what the talking heads are saying ,we as a group movement can make a change , hence the massive amount of numbers that have joined the lab party , nearly a million which has never happened before in british history .

lastly edd how is the podcast idea on this site going? I would like to maybe having a debate with kim or anyone else on this subject or any other believe it or not ufo stuff is my first love.

{Ed033's Note - hi frankyscouser, i have emailed you about the Podcasting.

 
14 Sep 2015 09:52:50
Thank you editor 001 you understood what I was trying to say.

Franky I have never watched fox news. I stand up for women's rights and gay rights and I'm dismissed as a right winger? I've consistently said all regimes in the middle east have shocking records on human rights but I'm a right winger?

I admire you for your passionate defence of your principles. At least you have some unlike so many.

But I would not pin your hopes on corbyn. I fear you will end up very disappointed.

 
14 Sep 2015 12:20:09
And where did I say I didn't want peace? As I said earlier you can talk peace with groups like Sinn Fein or the plo because they have realistic political aims.

But your talking about peace talks with Isis. What are the political aims there? They want to impose a backwards totalitarian regime on people. So there's no starting point for talks. Islamic fundamentalism is totally incompatible with a modern liberal democracy. But many in the labour party are happy to associate with these people as it buys votes. That's hypocrisy.

How does anyone, not just corbyn, but anyone in the labour party associating with oppressive fundamentalists progress the cause of socialism. As I asked yesterday how do you think feminists and gay rights campaigners feel?

All you seem focused on us having an outsider like corbyn to cone in and stick two fingers up to the establishment.

{Ed033's Note - i maybe wrong but isn't Frankyscouser's main point here that Corbyn could be 'waking up' some of the population to some degree and that is the best bit about Corbyn?

 
14 Sep 2015 13:05:32
correct edd its all about the people awareness not accepting austerity and finally standing as a movement behind those ideas being put forward.

this is rocking the uk like it never have has before and has people engaging more on issues that effect people like myself , and like it or not there is a change of let's think outside the box.

talking with isis? kim he has spoke to the elected hamas who's political aims were to have the palestein people to have human rights and I am pretty sure he has not said he wants talks with isis because it would be on msm 24/7 , I repeat he's aim is to stop our so called allies funding and giving them weapons and I am pretty sure bernie sanders is saying the same type of things in the usa .

you have never said you don't want peace , again I ask you what do we do?

kim you mention gay rights , the most prominent gay activist peter thatchil (who I detest btw) is firmly behind corbyn which might surprise you?

i want two fingers up to the establishment?ironic statement that when they have always looked after there own and stuck two fingers up to the people who have built this country .

{Ed001's Note - it is not waking up anything franky, nor will it. Sadly it is people like you that will get excited, propaganda will win out over the vast majority as ever.}

 
14 Sep 2015 13:15:11
But what's he waking up?

His entire program is the same as Michael foots. It didn't work in 1983. It won't work now. Thatcher destroyed the working class. Labour was only able to win an election under Blair by abandoning long standing socialist policies such as clause 4. As soon as labour started moving to the extreme left again it started losing elections again.

The labour party of the 1980s was controlled by the unions and the unions were controlled by Moscow.

I'm not really breaking any secrets here as its all in the public domain. But the two most influential unionists in the labour party were kgb controlled. And these two put plenty of their favourites into safe labour seats. People who could and in fact later did take control of tbd parliamentary labour party.

Corbyn was never an asset of the kgb as he was regarded, somewhat ironically, as someone who wouldn't process far enough in the party because of his extremist views. However he was regarded as someone who would be approachable for support if needed.

 
14 Sep 2015 13:17:45
And if you want to corroborate that either track down my old boss at the London embassy Colonel Oleg Gordievsky or fly to Moscow, go a few miles outside and look up Anatoly Chernyaev, former head of the successor organisation to the Comintern and moscows leg man between the Kremlin and the labour party.

 
14 Sep 2015 14:51:19
must be a figment of my imagination what is happening all over europe then , greece spain scotland ireland .

and if propaganda will win then it failed miserably in this leadership election .

and again I am asking you guys what is your solution to this terror groups?

{Ed001's Note - you think that is to do with Corbyn? Bless you, that is what I like about you franky you are a believer, but it does leave you seeing things from a very biased viewpoint. It is just a shame more people aren't like you.

As for terrorist groups, you don't need to work with them, you need to figure out why they are appearing and cut it out at source through education and treating people with respect.}

 
14 Sep 2015 16:07:38
Exactly. Education. Proper fair trade. Properly instituted political systems and not tyrannical dictators or corrupt monarchies. Less religion and more teaching people to respect others.

Hamas. Who's stated aim of a Palestinian homeland is to be achieved by genocide. And if I recall correctly that election was called into question by the united nations.

You mention Greece. What's happened in Greece is 40 years of socialism failed. The country is bankrupt. Kept afloat by tourism and bailouts. And they expect the bailouts to be free. When told no you need to pay it back and get your house in order they threw the toys out the pram.

Its simple economics. You can't spend more than you earn. This is why all these socialist European countries are struggling. This is why the soviet union collapsed.

I don't really see how spending even more money is answer to already massive debts. Increasing the debt is plain stupidity.

Sure ramp up taxes on people who can afford to pay it and cut spending where it needs to be cut. But throwing extra billions on top of trillions of debt makes no sense.

 
14 Sep 2015 16:10:39
edd your jumping the gun ,when have I said it had to do with corbyn?

this for the 3rd or 4th time has never been about the man , its about policies that resonates with people.

david icke agrees with you in a way with corbyn is not the answer but its a start in the right direction.

this austerity squeeze is hitting everyone and it surprises you that people want a different voice? sanders/corbyn/podemos are popular because they go against the grain .

yep I take your point I could be biased but I live in a very biased society that treats people with money/power one way and the rest a other a way.

education and respect? fair enough
i would not dare to guess why they do it , maybe some are brainwashed maybe some are just pure evil and maybe some have lost all of there familes in the the iraq war, who knows?
maybe we should educate the uk public and say we are working with terrorist regimes all over the world now.

{Ed001's Note - I agree with you, which is why I said we need more people like you, but most people are, as you pointed out, just rebelling against austerity. That particular rug will get pulled out from under Corbyn in the run up to the election and he will come nowhere.}

 
14 Sep 2015 16:50:39
just remind me kim were did the bailout money go? yeah back to the banks .

lets talk about you can not spend what you don't have ,we lend from the bank of england and pay interest .

listen we can go back and forth about policies the simple fact is people are fed up they way things are being run .

and kim on reflection I was being harsh on you , I apologize for calling you a right wing neo con .

 
14 Sep 2015 18:22:04
If he turned around and said if I win a general election and after renationalisation of the railways and the utilities I will nationalise the banks, reduce unfair charges on people and curtail excessive bonuses then that would be noteworthy.

Id also like to see a coordinated strategy on the war in Syria and the rest. Islamic extremists threaten us all, Russia, Europe and America. Why do you think putins suddenly interested. Its been pointed out to him some of these people pouring into the Syria are Russian chechens. And when they leave Syria? Or if they win in Syria? Hence now pouring in aid to Assad. Which I disagree with. Propping up a dictator to defeat fanatics.

And I accept your apology.

 
14 Sep 2015 18:45:28
I must say I've quite enjoyed reading this 'debate'.
Looking forward to the podcast.
ding ding round 2 :-)

 
14 Sep 2015 19:10:02
wether corbyn goes or not is not the point edd the members which I am now officially one today have made the party aware we want change ,it really needed this because politics never really interested me before , they use jargon to bore you or make you feel that you are not intelligent enough to understand in a patronizing way ,this will change the lab party.

kim agreed all countries should coordinate and stop these monsters but you know that will never happen when people come second to the oil and war trade .

and no hard feeling buddy.

 
14 Sep 2015 23:15:41
Good. Now can we get back to the aliens?